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    Is This Collusion? Answer "yes" to all these questions?

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    Posted: Aug. 11, 2018 - 7:53 PM ET #26

    So like I said, it's made up. You can't just make stuff up and then say, "CNN won't report it...." as if that makes it true. While I do believe Obama is worth more than what records show, and while I do believe that most politicians are probably guilty of shady dealings that have padded their pockets, that doesn't mean you can pull arbitrary numbers out of your arse and pass them off as concrete data. I asked a simple question, "where did the number come from?" The fact you couldn't even give a straight answer just shows how full of shyt you are.

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    So like I said, it's made up. You can't just make stuff up and then say, "CNN won't report it...." as if that makes it true. While I do believe Obama is worth more than what records show, and while I do believe that most politicians are probably guilty of shady dealings that have padded their pockets, that doesn't mean you can pull arbitrary numbers out of your arse and pass them off as concrete data. I asked a simple question, "where did the number come from?" The fact you couldn't even give a straight answer just shows how full of shyt you are.

     
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    Posted: Aug. 11, 2018 - 7:58 PM ET #27

    You're right about one thing though. I'm not gonna hear it on CNN because I never watch CNN, just like I never watch FOX news. The real sheep are those of you who think there is a difference between the two. Those of you who have chosen sides in an imaginary war created to avert your attention.

     

    They live. We sleep.

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    You're right about one thing though. I'm not gonna hear it on CNN because I never watch CNN, just like I never watch FOX news. The real sheep are those of you who think there is a difference between the two. Those of you who have chosen sides in an imaginary war created to avert your attention.

     

    They live. We sleep.

     
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    Posted: Aug. 12, 2018 - 11:11 AM ET #28

    Kasich on meet the press was interesting exchange. Ohio toss up district should not have ever been this close. The fallout isn’t in court it will be at the polls. When the pendulum shifts within the house and senate then Trumps time to face the music will come.

    meantime it is a wait and see approach.

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    Kasich on meet the press was interesting exchange. Ohio toss up district should not have ever been this close. The fallout isn’t in court it will be at the polls. When the pendulum shifts within the house and senate then Trumps time to face the music will come.

    meantime it is a wait and see approach.

     
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    Posted: Aug. 12, 2018 - 10:39 PM ET #29

    There is no difference and the majority has never been silent. You're right about one thing though. Democrats will inevitably destroy itself. That is, unless they learn to listen to that "silent majority" you speak of. The one that is about as silent as a sonic boom but somehow still unheard by the democrats. Maybe if they put a cup to their ear?
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    There is no difference and the majority has never been silent. You're right about one thing though. Democrats will inevitably destroy itself. That is, unless they learn to listen to that "silent majority" you speak of. The one that is about as silent as a sonic boom but somehow still unheard by the democrats. Maybe if they put a cup to their ear?
     
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    Posted: Aug. 12, 2018 - 10:48 PM ET #30

    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:

    Kasich on meet the press was interesting exchange. Ohio toss up district should not have ever been this close. The fallout isn’t in court it will be at the polls. When the pendulum shifts within the house and senate then Trumps time to face the music will come. meantime it is a wait and see approach.

    I read some polling numbers from the night of the election, it offered data on voters that had voted in the 2016 presidential election. 40% of Republicans that voted in 2016 turned out, 86% of Dems, now if those numbers are close to being true it really wasn't as close as the final tally would indicate. I can't recall the article. If i come across it i will post it.

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:

    Kasich on meet the press was interesting exchange. Ohio toss up district should not have ever been this close. The fallout isn’t in court it will be at the polls. When the pendulum shifts within the house and senate then Trumps time to face the music will come. meantime it is a wait and see approach.

    I read some polling numbers from the night of the election, it offered data on voters that had voted in the 2016 presidential election. 40% of Republicans that voted in 2016 turned out, 86% of Dems, now if those numbers are close to being true it really wasn't as close as the final tally would indicate. I can't recall the article. If i come across it i will post it.

     

     
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    Posted: May. 15, 2023 - 6:16 PM ET #31

    "The objective facts show that the FBI’s handling of important aspects of the Crossfire Hurricane matter were seriously deficient,” Durham wrote. "Based on the review of Crossfire Hurricane and related intelligence activities, we conclude that the (Justice) Department and FBI failed to uphold their important mission of strict fidelity to the law in connection with certain events and activities described in this report."

    During his lengthy investigation, Durham found the FBI should have never opened the investigations and that they were led by politically motivated actors like former FBI agent Peter Strzok. 

    "Neither U.S. nor the Intelligence Community appears to have possessed any actual evidence of collusion in their holdings at the commencement of the Crossfire Hurricane investigation," the report states. "FBI records prepared by [Peter] Strzok in February and March 2017 show that at the time of the opening of Crossfire Hurricane, the FBI had no information in its holdings indicating that at any time during the campaign anyone in the Trump had been in contact with any Russian intelligence officials.”

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    "The objective facts show that the FBI’s handling of important aspects of the Crossfire Hurricane matter were seriously deficient,” Durham wrote. "Based on the review of Crossfire Hurricane and related intelligence activities, we conclude that the (Justice) Department and FBI failed to uphold their important mission of strict fidelity to the law in connection with certain events and activities described in this report."

    During his lengthy investigation, Durham found the FBI should have never opened the investigations and that they were led by politically motivated actors like former FBI agent Peter Strzok. 

    "Neither U.S. nor the Intelligence Community appears to have possessed any actual evidence of collusion in their holdings at the commencement of the Crossfire Hurricane investigation," the report states. "FBI records prepared by [Peter] Strzok in February and March 2017 show that at the time of the opening of Crossfire Hurricane, the FBI had no information in its holdings indicating that at any time during the campaign anyone in the Trump had been in contact with any Russian intelligence officials.”

     
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    Posted: May. 15, 2023 - 6:17 PM ET #32

    Durham found that the Steele dossier, which was developed by the Clinton campaign with foreign spy Christopher Steel and then used by the FBI to obtain FISA warrants and by the media to deem former President Donald Trump guilty of collusion, was extremely flawed and untruthful.

    "Our investigation determined that the Crossfire Hurricane investigators did not and could not corroborate any of the substantive allegations contained in the Steele reporting," Durham writes. 

    Inside the Obama administration, a number of officials were involved and briefed on the Clinton campaign's efforts to falsely tie Trump to Russia. 

    "In late July 2016, U.S. intelligence agencies obtained insight into Russian intelligence analysis alleging that U.S Presidential candidate Hillary Clinton had approved a campaign plan to stir up a scandal against U.S. Presidential candidate Donald Trump by tying him to Putin and the Russians' hacking of the Democratic National Committee," the report states. "According to his handwritten notes, CIA Director Brennan subsequently briefed President Obama and other senior national security officials on the intelligence, including the 'alleged approval by Hillary Clinton on July 26, 2016 of a proposal from one of her foreign policy advisors to vilify Donald Trump by stirring up a scandal claiming interference by Russian security services."

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    Durham found that the Steele dossier, which was developed by the Clinton campaign with foreign spy Christopher Steel and then used by the FBI to obtain FISA warrants and by the media to deem former President Donald Trump guilty of collusion, was extremely flawed and untruthful.

    "Our investigation determined that the Crossfire Hurricane investigators did not and could not corroborate any of the substantive allegations contained in the Steele reporting," Durham writes. 

    Inside the Obama administration, a number of officials were involved and briefed on the Clinton campaign's efforts to falsely tie Trump to Russia. 

    "In late July 2016, U.S. intelligence agencies obtained insight into Russian intelligence analysis alleging that U.S Presidential candidate Hillary Clinton had approved a campaign plan to stir up a scandal against U.S. Presidential candidate Donald Trump by tying him to Putin and the Russians' hacking of the Democratic National Committee," the report states. "According to his handwritten notes, CIA Director Brennan subsequently briefed President Obama and other senior national security officials on the intelligence, including the 'alleged approval by Hillary Clinton on July 26, 2016 of a proposal from one of her foreign policy advisors to vilify Donald Trump by stirring up a scandal claiming interference by Russian security services."

     
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    Posted: May. 15, 2023 - 6:17 PM ET #33

    Brennan knew the conspiracy theory of Russian collusion was politically motivated and yet, briefed President Obama and continued to make accusations of collusion for years on MSNBC. 

    According to House Judiciary Committee Chairman Jim Jordan, Durham could appear before Congress as early as next week to discuss the findings. 

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    Brennan knew the conspiracy theory of Russian collusion was politically motivated and yet, briefed President Obama and continued to make accusations of collusion for years on MSNBC. 

    According to House Judiciary Committee Chairman Jim Jordan, Durham could appear before Congress as early as next week to discuss the findings. 

     
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    Posted: May. 16, 2023 - 2:17 AM ET #34

    Durham underwhelming report wastes $6.5 million of taxpayer money and fails to jail a single person.  Unlike Mueller investigation which resulted in multiple guilty pleas, indictments and convictions.  Much of the FBI misconduct allegations by Durham had been denounced by justice department inspector general who didn't find evidence of intentional misconduct. 

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    Durham underwhelming report wastes $6.5 million of taxpayer money and fails to jail a single person.  Unlike Mueller investigation which resulted in multiple guilty pleas, indictments and convictions.  Much of the FBI misconduct allegations by Durham had been denounced by justice department inspector general who didn't find evidence of intentional misconduct. 

     
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    Posted: May. 16, 2023 - 2:22 AM ET #35

    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Durham underwhelming report wastes $6.5 million of taxpayer money and fails to jail a single person.  Unlike Mueller investigation which resulted in multiple guilty pleas, indictments and convictions.  Much of the FBI misconduct described by Durham had been denounced by justice department inspector general who didn't find evidence of intentional misconduct.

    that plus there is no serious debate that durham  was and still is very much rightwing partisan  

     

    in contrast mueller on the other hand was  objective

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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Durham underwhelming report wastes $6.5 million of taxpayer money and fails to jail a single person.  Unlike Mueller investigation which resulted in multiple guilty pleas, indictments and convictions.  Much of the FBI misconduct described by Durham had been denounced by justice department inspector general who didn't find evidence of intentional misconduct.

    that plus there is no serious debate that durham  was and still is very much rightwing partisan  

     

    in contrast mueller on the other hand was  objective

     
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    Posted: May. 26, 2023 - 8:06 PM ET #36

    The Federal Election Commission has fined both Hillary Clinton’s 2016 presidential campaign and the Democratic National Committee for lying about how they spent money used to fund the now debunked Steele dossier on former President Donald Trump.

    The Clinton campaign and the DNC will be forced to pay $8,000 and $105,000 respectively for mislabeling payments that ultimately went to Fusion GPS, the consulting firm that commissioned the dossier, according to FEC documents.

    The Clinton campaign and the DNC paid more than $1 million combined to powerful Democratic law firm Perkins Coie, which engaged Fusion GPS to dig for dirt on Trump.

    IT WAS ALL A LIE.

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    The Federal Election Commission has fined both Hillary Clinton’s 2016 presidential campaign and the Democratic National Committee for lying about how they spent money used to fund the now debunked Steele dossier on former President Donald Trump.

    The Clinton campaign and the DNC will be forced to pay $8,000 and $105,000 respectively for mislabeling payments that ultimately went to Fusion GPS, the consulting firm that commissioned the dossier, according to FEC documents.

    The Clinton campaign and the DNC paid more than $1 million combined to powerful Democratic law firm Perkins Coie, which engaged Fusion GPS to dig for dirt on Trump.

    IT WAS ALL A LIE.

     
     
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    Posted: May. 26, 2023 - 8:15 PM ET #37

    Former FBI lawyer Kevin Clinesmith pleaded guilty to falsifying documents used to monitor 2016 Trump campaign aide Carter Page during a hearing in federal court in Washington.

     

    District Judge James Boasberg asked Clinesmith if he “intentionally altered the email.”

    “Yes, your honor,” Clinesmith said.

    He faced a prison term but only got probation. an_light

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    Former FBI lawyer Kevin Clinesmith pleaded guilty to falsifying documents used to monitor 2016 Trump campaign aide Carter Page during a hearing in federal court in Washington.

     

    District Judge James Boasberg asked Clinesmith if he “intentionally altered the email.”

    “Yes, your honor,” Clinesmith said.

    He faced a prison term but only got probation. an_light

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