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    Police, misconduct such as falsifying evidence,
         is a leading cause of
    wrongful convictions, study finds


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    WASHINGTON – Actions by police officers, including witness tampering,
    violent interrogations and falsifying evidence, account for the majority
    of the misconduct that lead to wrongful convictions, according to a study
    released Tuesday by the National Registry of Exonerations that focused
    on the role police and prosecutors play in false convictions in the U.S.

    Researchers studied 2,400 convictions of defendants who were later
    found innocent over a 30-year period and found that 35% of these
    cases involved some type of misconduct by police. More than half
    – 54% – involved misconduct by police or prosecutors.

    Researchers found that misconduct by police and prosecutors is among
    the leading causes of disproportionate false conviction of Black defendants.
    For example, 78% of Black defendants who were wrongly accused of murder
    were convicted because of some type of misconduct. That number is 64%
    for white defendants, according to the study. An even wider gap: 87% of
    Black defendants later found innocent who were sentenced to death were
    victims of official misconduct vs. 68% for white defendants.

    As of Monday, the National Registry of Exonerations had nearly 2,670
    people who have been exonerated since 1989, and the list grows regularly.

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    Police, misconduct such as falsifying evidence,
         is a leading cause of
    wrongful convictions, study finds


    USA TODAY

    WASHINGTON – Actions by police officers, including witness tampering,
    violent interrogations and falsifying evidence, account for the majority
    of the misconduct that lead to wrongful convictions, according to a study
    released Tuesday by the National Registry of Exonerations that focused
    on the role police and prosecutors play in false convictions in the U.S.

    Researchers studied 2,400 convictions of defendants who were later
    found innocent over a 30-year period and found that 35% of these
    cases involved some type of misconduct by police. More than half
    – 54% – involved misconduct by police or prosecutors.

    Researchers found that misconduct by police and prosecutors is among
    the leading causes of disproportionate false conviction of Black defendants.
    For example, 78% of Black defendants who were wrongly accused of murder
    were convicted because of some type of misconduct. That number is 64%
    for white defendants, according to the study. An even wider gap: 87% of
    Black defendants later found innocent who were sentenced to death were
    victims of official misconduct vs. 68% for white defendants.

    As of Monday, the National Registry of Exonerations had nearly 2,670
    people who have been exonerated since 1989, and the list grows regularly.

     
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    The study found that hiding evidence  that is favorable to defendants
    is the most common type of misconduct.

    Researchers cite five murder trials in which prosecutors concealed evidence
    about the cause of death. In one case, a woman was convicted of killing
    her boyfriend, but prosecutors did not disclose a medical report that found
    he had died of suicide.

    "In a few rape exonerations, the authorities concealed evidence that
    the complainants had a history of making false rape allegations,"
    according to the study.
    "And in at least a dozen child sex abuse cases, police, prosecutors and
    child welfare workers concealed statements by the supposed victims
    that they had not in fact been molested."

     

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    The study found that hiding evidence  that is favorable to defendants
    is the most common type of misconduct.

    Researchers cite five murder trials in which prosecutors concealed evidence
    about the cause of death. In one case, a woman was convicted of killing
    her boyfriend, but prosecutors did not disclose a medical report that found
    he had died of suicide.

    "In a few rape exonerations, the authorities concealed evidence that
    the complainants had a history of making false rape allegations,"
    according to the study.
    "And in at least a dozen child sex abuse cases, police, prosecutors and
    child welfare workers concealed statements by the supposed victims
    that they had not in fact been molested."

     

     
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    "The basic underlying truth is if you're innocent of a crime
    but you were convicted of it, the chances of it ever coming to light are,
    first, not great and, second, get worse and worse the less serious a
    crime it is," Gross said. "If you're convicted of a misdemeanor and
    you're innocent of it ... the chance of anybody caring is very low."

    "We're not talking about all police officers or even most police officers.
    What's disturbing is it happens at all and it happens with some regularity."

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    "The basic underlying truth is if you're innocent of a crime
    but you were convicted of it, the chances of it ever coming to light are,
    first, not great and, second, get worse and worse the less serious a
    crime it is," Gross said. "If you're convicted of a misdemeanor and
    you're innocent of it ... the chance of anybody caring is very low."

    "We're not talking about all police officers or even most police officers.
    What's disturbing is it happens at all and it happens with some regularity."

     
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    In some cases, police officers falsely claimed they were victims
    of assaults by defendants.    In one such case, police officers from
    Chattanooga, Tennessee, beat a defendant at a reentry facility
    because he defended himself. Adam Tatum was sentenced to two
    years in prison for assaulting officers but was later exonerated after
    video showed that officers attacked him without provocation.
    Tatum sued and later settled for $125,000.

    We found 85,000 cops who’ve been investigated for misconduct

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    In some cases, police officers falsely claimed they were victims
    of assaults by defendants.    In one such case, police officers from
    Chattanooga, Tennessee, beat a defendant at a reentry facility
    because he defended himself. Adam Tatum was sentenced to two
    years in prison for assaulting officers but was later exonerated after
    video showed that officers attacked him without provocation.
    Tatum sued and later settled for $125,000.

    We found 85,000 cops who’ve been investigated for misconduct

     
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    Posted: Sep. 15, 2020 - 8:08 PM ET #5

    Consequences are rare

    Police officers were disciplined or convicted of crimes
    in only 19% of exonerations that involved some type
    of police misconduct, according to the study.

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    Consequences are rare

    Police officers were disciplined or convicted of crimes
    in only 19% of exonerations that involved some type
    of police misconduct, according to the study.

     
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    Posted: Sep. 15, 2020 - 8:29 PM ET #6

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Police, misconduct such as falsifying evidence,     is a leading cause of wrongful convictions, study findsUSA TODAYWASHINGTON – Actions by police officers, including witness tampering, violent interrogations and falsifying evidence, account for the majority of the misconduct that lead to wrongful convictions, according to a study released Tuesday by the National Registry of Exonerations that focused on the role police and prosecutors play in false convictions in the U.S.Researchers studied 2,400 convictions of defendants who were later found innocent over a 30-year period and found that 35% of these cases involved some type of misconduct by police. More than half – 54% – involved misconduct by police or prosecutors. Researchers found that misconduct by police and prosecutors is among the leading causes of disproportionate false conviction of Black defendants. For example, 78% of Black defendants who were wrongly accused of murder were convicted because of some type of misconduct. That number is 64% for white defendants, according to the study. An even wider gap: 87% of Black defendants later found innocent who were sentenced to death were victims of official misconduct vs. 68% for white defendants.As of Monday, the National Registry of Exonerations had nearly 2,670 people who have been exonerated since 1989, and the list grows regularly.

    previously believed but never known to what extent . good post

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    Police, misconduct such as falsifying evidence,     is a leading cause of wrongful convictions, study findsUSA TODAYWASHINGTON – Actions by police officers, including witness tampering, violent interrogations and falsifying evidence, account for the majority of the misconduct that lead to wrongful convictions, according to a study released Tuesday by the National Registry of Exonerations that focused on the role police and prosecutors play in false convictions in the U.S.Researchers studied 2,400 convictions of defendants who were later found innocent over a 30-year period and found that 35% of these cases involved some type of misconduct by police. More than half – 54% – involved misconduct by police or prosecutors. Researchers found that misconduct by police and prosecutors is among the leading causes of disproportionate false conviction of Black defendants. For example, 78% of Black defendants who were wrongly accused of murder were convicted because of some type of misconduct. That number is 64% for white defendants, according to the study. An even wider gap: 87% of Black defendants later found innocent who were sentenced to death were victims of official misconduct vs. 68% for white defendants.As of Monday, the National Registry of Exonerations had nearly 2,670 people who have been exonerated since 1989, and the list grows regularly.

    previously believed but never known to what extent . good post

     
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    Posted: Sep. 15, 2020 - 8:38 PM ET #7

    The event 

    was held at Rooster’s Bar and Grill in Redfield, where those in attendance could buy tickets to win a handgun engraved with President Trump’s name.

    Bormann said in a statement Monday that Ravnsborg drinks occasionally, but he was not imbibing prior to the fatal crash

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    was held at Rooster’s Bar and Grill in Redfield, where those in attendance could buy tickets to win a handgun engraved with President Trump’s name.

    Bormann said in a statement Monday that Ravnsborg drinks occasionally, but he was not imbibing prior to the fatal crash

     
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    South Dakota attorney General. 

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    South Dakota attorney General. 

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    The study found that hiding evidence  that is favorable to defendants
    is the most common type of misconduct.

    Researchers cite five murder trials in which prosecutors concealed evidence
    about the cause of death. In one case, a woman was convicted of killing
    her boyfriend, but prosecutors did not disclose a medical report that found
    he had died of suicide.

    this is diespicable but mostly its the prosecuters not just police

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    The study found that hiding evidence  that is favorable to defendants
    is the most common type of misconduct.

    Researchers cite five murder trials in which prosecutors concealed evidence
    about the cause of death. In one case, a woman was convicted of killing
    her boyfriend, but prosecutors did not disclose a medical report that found
    he had died of suicide.

    this is diespicable but mostly its the prosecuters not just police

     
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    The attorney general hit my cousin as he was walking down the side of the road and killed him,” Nemec told the newspaper.

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    The attorney general hit my cousin as he was walking down the side of the road and killed him,” Nemec told the newspaper.

     
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    Posted: Sep. 15, 2020 - 8:49 PM ET #11

    At prepared statement seems to contradict the events of the evening.

    Ravnsborg, who was elected Attorney General in 2018, said he was on his way back from the Spink County Lincoln Day Dinner in Redfield around 9:15 p.m. Saturday. He said he did not drink any alcohol before, during or after the event, and that on his way back to Pierre he hit what he believed to be a deer.

     

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    At prepared statement seems to contradict the events of the evening.

    Ravnsborg, who was elected Attorney General in 2018, said he was on his way back from the Spink County Lincoln Day Dinner in Redfield around 9:15 p.m. Saturday. He said he did not drink any alcohol before, during or after the event, and that on his way back to Pierre he hit what he believed to be a deer.

     

     
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    The timeline.

    Attorney general attends roosters bat and grill in Redfield south Dakota for a fund raiser which is auctioning a handgun signed by President Trump.

    • South Dakota Attorney General Jason Ravnsborg mowed down Jason Boever with his car on Saturday night while driving from a Republican fundraiser  
    • He said he immediately called 911 and reported that he thought he'd hit a deer 
    • He claimed he searched the area by flashlight along with Hyde County Sheriff Mike Volek, but they didn't find anything
    • The next morning 55-year-old Boever's body was found near the crash site
    • Boever's cousins, Nick and Victor Nemec, have said they are worried that authorities won't conduct a full investigation  
    • The Nemecs criticized authorities for being tight-lipped about their progress and for taking so long to identify Boever's body 
    • 'It seems like they're looking for an excuse to make it less than it was,' Nick said
    • South Dakota Governor Kristi Noem announced that she'd asked outside investigators to look into the case on Tuesday 
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    The timeline.

    Attorney general attends roosters bat and grill in Redfield south Dakota for a fund raiser which is auctioning a handgun signed by President Trump.

    • South Dakota Attorney General Jason Ravnsborg mowed down Jason Boever with his car on Saturday night while driving from a Republican fundraiser  
    • He said he immediately called 911 and reported that he thought he'd hit a deer 
    • He claimed he searched the area by flashlight along with Hyde County Sheriff Mike Volek, but they didn't find anything
    • The next morning 55-year-old Boever's body was found near the crash site
    • Boever's cousins, Nick and Victor Nemec, have said they are worried that authorities won't conduct a full investigation  
    • The Nemecs criticized authorities for being tight-lipped about their progress and for taking so long to identify Boever's body 
    • 'It seems like they're looking for an excuse to make it less than it was,' Nick said
    • South Dakota Governor Kristi Noem announced that she'd asked outside investigators to look into the case on Tuesday 
     
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    Source Dakota free press.

    Ravnsborg reports his car was too damaged to drive safely. That level of damage suggests Ravnsborg was moving at a pretty good clip coming out of Highmore.

    Ravnsborg says Sheriff Volek, who lives near the accident site, loaned him his personal vehicle to go back to Pierre. Ravnsborg brought the car back in the morning with his chief of staff and spokesman, Tim Bormann, to drive him back.

    Ravnsborg says he and Bormann stopped at the accident site on the way to Sheriff Volek’s house. The debris from Ravnsborg’s car was still on the road. Ravnsborg and Bormann walked the shoulder and “discovered the body of Mr. Boever in the grass just off the roadway. My chief of staff and I checked and it was apparent that Mr. Boever was deceased.”

    “Just off the roadway”—that’s a key detail. The victim was not thrown far away from the road into the beanfield. The grass in the ditch was not high: Boever had hit a hay bale in that ditch with his truck earlier Saturday; a KSFY photo also shows a bale in the ditch, indicating the ditch had been recently mowed. The body does not seem to have been hidden by vegetation.

    Ravnsborg drove to Sheriff Volek’s house immediately to tell him they’d found a dead man. The Sheriff came back to the site with Ravnsborg and asked him to go back to Pierre.

    An investigation suddenly graduates from car-deer accident to human fatality, and the sheriff on the scene tells the suspect apparently responsible for the death to leave the county?

    Spokesman Tim Bormann tells the Rapid City Journal he didn’t know anything about the above statement, which Ravnsborg issued last night just after 10 p.m. Bormann says Ravnsborg is enlisting a new spokesman (because, sure, the Attorney General needs two spokespeople) RCJ’s Arielle Zionts reports that Ravnsborg’s new spokesmanification may be coming from Mike Deaver, who describes himself as a “friend of Jason’s,” lives in Salt Lake City, and is senior VP for the Utah office of Seattle-based PR firm Strategies 360. Evidently when things get real, South Dakota’s Republican leaders can’t rely on their usual in-state cronies; they have to call in the real talent from out of state.

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    Source Dakota free press.

    Ravnsborg reports his car was too damaged to drive safely. That level of damage suggests Ravnsborg was moving at a pretty good clip coming out of Highmore.

    Ravnsborg says Sheriff Volek, who lives near the accident site, loaned him his personal vehicle to go back to Pierre. Ravnsborg brought the car back in the morning with his chief of staff and spokesman, Tim Bormann, to drive him back.

    Ravnsborg says he and Bormann stopped at the accident site on the way to Sheriff Volek’s house. The debris from Ravnsborg’s car was still on the road. Ravnsborg and Bormann walked the shoulder and “discovered the body of Mr. Boever in the grass just off the roadway. My chief of staff and I checked and it was apparent that Mr. Boever was deceased.”

    “Just off the roadway”—that’s a key detail. The victim was not thrown far away from the road into the beanfield. The grass in the ditch was not high: Boever had hit a hay bale in that ditch with his truck earlier Saturday; a KSFY photo also shows a bale in the ditch, indicating the ditch had been recently mowed. The body does not seem to have been hidden by vegetation.

    Ravnsborg drove to Sheriff Volek’s house immediately to tell him they’d found a dead man. The Sheriff came back to the site with Ravnsborg and asked him to go back to Pierre.

    An investigation suddenly graduates from car-deer accident to human fatality, and the sheriff on the scene tells the suspect apparently responsible for the death to leave the county?

    Spokesman Tim Bormann tells the Rapid City Journal he didn’t know anything about the above statement, which Ravnsborg issued last night just after 10 p.m. Bormann says Ravnsborg is enlisting a new spokesman (because, sure, the Attorney General needs two spokespeople) RCJ’s Arielle Zionts reports that Ravnsborg’s new spokesmanification may be coming from Mike Deaver, who describes himself as a “friend of Jason’s,” lives in Salt Lake City, and is senior VP for the Utah office of Seattle-based PR firm Strategies 360. Evidently when things get real, South Dakota’s Republican leaders can’t rely on their usual in-state cronies; they have to call in the real talent from out of state.

     
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    Posted: Sep. 15, 2020 - 9:08 PM ET #14

    This is how law an order is felt in South Dakota. 

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    Posted: Sep. 15, 2020 - 9:10 PM ET #15

    Apparently the night of the accident a sheriff could.not find a body in a ditch ....

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    Posted: Sep. 15, 2020 - 9:20 PM ET #16

    The bars review.

    Stopped by for a drink while passing through the town. Gal behind the bar, whose family owns the place, was awesome! Very personable and made us feel very welcome! Enjoyed the conversation with her and a couple other patrons- fun time!

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    The bars review.

    Stopped by for a drink while passing through the town. Gal behind the bar, whose family owns the place, was awesome! Very personable and made us feel very welcome! Enjoyed the conversation with her and a couple other patrons- fun time!

     
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    Posted: Sep. 15, 2020 - 9:27 PM ET #17

    The evening program. 

    5pm Social

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    Tickets $50.00 in advance, $30 at the door.

    Advance tickets will be registered to be eligibility to win a .45 Trump handgun!

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    5pm Social

    6:30pm Dinner

    Tickets $50.00 in advance, $30 at the door.

    Advance tickets will be registered to be eligibility to win a .45 Trump handgun!

    Contact Jeni 

     
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    Posted: Sep. 15, 2020 - 9:29 PM ET #18

    Wanna bet I say no charges will be filed until after the election of Hyde county sheriff . Law and order needs a good.man like this when big wigs get into a pinch....

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    Wanna bet I say no charges will be filed until after the election of Hyde county sheriff . Law and order needs a good.man like this when big wigs get into a pinch....

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Consequences are rare Police officers were disciplined or convicted of crimes in only 19% of exonerations that involved some type of police misconduct, according to the study.

    That is horrifying.  Crooked cops get away with it 81% of the time.

    Of course it will continue, and they have the unmitigated gall to wonder why they don't get more respect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Consequences are rare Police officers were disciplined or convicted of crimes in only 19% of exonerations that involved some type of police misconduct, according to the study.

    That is horrifying.  Crooked cops get away with it 81% of the time.

    Of course it will continue, and they have the unmitigated gall to wonder why they don't get more respect.

     
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    My fave book account was hacked I don't use it any more dogbitewilliams.

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    Posted: Sep. 15, 2020 - 11:14 PM ET #21

    The attorney general's alibi that he was not drinking.

    “I didn’t see him with anything but a Coke," said state Sen. Brock Greenfield, who also attended the dinner

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    The attorney general's alibi that he was not drinking.

    “I didn’t see him with anything but a Coke," said state Sen. Brock Greenfield, who also attended the dinner

     
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    Now what do we have a sheriff who couldn't find a body on a mowed ditch. An attorney General who couldn't tell a man from a deer like animal. A sheriff who loaned his boss a car and a state legislature testifying he never saw the man drink anything but coke.

    There is no evidence then there was no crime.

    No crime nothing to see move along....

     

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    Now what do we have a sheriff who couldn't find a body on a mowed ditch. An attorney General who couldn't tell a man from a deer like animal. A sheriff who loaned his boss a car and a state legislature testifying he never saw the man drink anything but coke.

    There is no evidence then there was no crime.

    No crime nothing to see move along....

     

     
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    Posted: Sep. 16, 2020 - 12:04 AM ET #23

    Brock has just went through this routine.

    Nine South Dakota senators set the stage on Tuesday for their investigation into whether Senate leadership was intoxicated at the Capitol during the final hours of the 2020 legislative session. 

    The Senate Interim Investigation Committee spent more than four hours on Tuesday watching Capitol security camera footage and South Dakota Public Broadcasting's Senate videos of the early hours of March 31 to build a timeline for the movements around the Capitol of Senate Majority Leader Kris Langer, R-Dell Rapids, and Senate President Pro Tempore Brock Greenfield, R-Clark

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    Brock has just went through this routine.

    Nine South Dakota senators set the stage on Tuesday for their investigation into whether Senate leadership was intoxicated at the Capitol during the final hours of the 2020 legislative session. 

    The Senate Interim Investigation Committee spent more than four hours on Tuesday watching Capitol security camera footage and South Dakota Public Broadcasting's Senate videos of the early hours of March 31 to build a timeline for the movements around the Capitol of Senate Majority Leader Kris Langer, R-Dell Rapids, and Senate President Pro Tempore Brock Greenfield, R-Clark

     
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    Former South Dakota Attorney General Marty Jackley, representing Langer and Greenfield in the investigation, was unsuccessful in his multiple attempts to stop the investigation on Tuesday.

    "This committee is on legal thin ice," Jackley told them. 

    We have not overindulged. We have not indulged. ... There's been no tomfoolery," Greenfield said.

    When Sen. Greenfield and Sen. Langer got off the elevator they couldn't hardly walk they were so drunk. This easily added 2 hrs to our session. Thanks so much for your patience," the text read.

    The committee is also expected to hear testimony on Friday from Qualm, Rep. Steven Haugaard, R-Sioux Falls, and Rep. Jamie Smith, D-Sioux Falls, all of whom were at the Capitol that night

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    Former South Dakota Attorney General Marty Jackley, representing Langer and Greenfield in the investigation, was unsuccessful in his multiple attempts to stop the investigation on Tuesday.

    "This committee is on legal thin ice," Jackley told them. 

    We have not overindulged. We have not indulged. ... There's been no tomfoolery," Greenfield said.

    When Sen. Greenfield and Sen. Langer got off the elevator they couldn't hardly walk they were so drunk. This easily added 2 hrs to our session. Thanks so much for your patience," the text read.

    The committee is also expected to hear testimony on Friday from Qualm, Rep. Steven Haugaard, R-Sioux Falls, and Rep. Jamie Smith, D-Sioux Falls, all of whom were at the Capitol that night

    You have the understanding of this fiasco

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    Posted: Sep. 16, 2020 - 12:21 AM ET #25

    Three weeks later, the top two leaders of the South Dakota Senate admitted Friday that they were under the influence of alcohol at the state Capitol, while they conducted official business, during the final hours of the 2020 legislative session.

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    Three weeks later, the top two leaders of the South Dakota Senate admitted Friday that they were under the influence of alcohol at the state Capitol, while they conducted official business, during the final hours of the 2020 legislative session.

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