As President Obama laid out his “strategy” last night for dealing with ISIS in Iraq and Syria, and as bipartisan leadership in Congress push to approve as much as $4 billion to arm the Syrian “rebels,” it should be noted that the keystone to his anti-Assad policy — the “vetted moderate” Free Syrian Army (FSA) — is now admitting that they, too, are working with the Islamic State.
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As President Obama laid out his “strategy” last night for dealing with ISIS in Iraq and Syria, and as bipartisan leadership in Congress push to approve as much as $4 billion to arm the Syrian “rebels,” it should be noted that the keystone to his anti-Assad policy — the “vetted moderate” Free Syrian Army (FSA) — is now admitting that they, too, are working with the Islamic State.
As President Obama laid out his “strategy” last night for dealing with ISIS in Iraq and Syria, and as bipartisan leadership in Congress push to approve as much as $4 billion to arm the Syrian “rebels,” it should be noted that the keystone to his anti-Assad policy — the “vetted moderate” Free Syrian Army (FSA) — is now admitting that they, too, are working with the Islamic State.
Of course they are. If politics makes strange bedfellows, what do you think war does?
Look at Egypt...all of the rival groups joined to fight the government and ended up fighting themselves.
And around and around we go.
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Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:
As President Obama laid out his “strategy” last night for dealing with ISIS in Iraq and Syria, and as bipartisan leadership in Congress push to approve as much as $4 billion to arm the Syrian “rebels,” it should be noted that the keystone to his anti-Assad policy — the “vetted moderate” Free Syrian Army (FSA) — is now admitting that they, too, are working with the Islamic State.
Of course they are. If politics makes strange bedfellows, what do you think war does?
Look at Egypt...all of the rival groups joined to fight the government and ended up fighting themselves.
No action is good action at this point in time ...Obama's leading from behind has put the situation past the redemption point ..when the horse is out of the barn..their is nothing left to do but close the gate..
No action is good action?
So you are saying that you support doing nothing? Absolutely nothing?
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Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:
No action is good action at this point in time ...Obama's leading from behind has put the situation past the redemption point ..when the horse is out of the barn..their is nothing left to do but close the gate..
No action is good action?
So you are saying that you support doing nothing? Absolutely nothing?
DJ. Where've you been? Go to one of those nfl/rice things and explain to me the issue. Mainly nfl vs other businesses and vs police. Etc. is there legal stuff I am missing here o is it mostly PC and damage control?
I don't know what thread you mean. What am I explaining?
My thoughts on the Ray Rice thing is that it is between him and his employer on how they want to handle it.
The NFL suspension is a joke.
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Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:
DJ. Where've you been? Go to one of those nfl/rice things and explain to me the issue. Mainly nfl vs other businesses and vs police. Etc. is there legal stuff I am missing here o is it mostly PC and damage control?
I don't know what thread you mean. What am I explaining?
My thoughts on the Ray Rice thing is that it is between him and his employer on how they want to handle it.
You, along with the right wingers, will criticize if he wants more military action or less military action.
So what is your plan of action?
More or less isn't really the crux of the issue, I think you know that but you are in full troll mode.
My plan of action would be to go to congress. If there is an objective in Iraq I would not pussyfoot around I would send ground troops and the full might of the American war machine. I am not sure it is worth it since the people of Iraq have proven time and again that they are not interested in defending their own country.
I do not think involving ourselves in Syria even makes sense. I am not interested in entering Syria.
I want a clear declaration of objectives, and I want clear contingencies to prevent mission creep. We are being set up for another decade at war, and most people are too busy, or too stupid to even take notice.
I am 31 years old. I have never seen peace in my adult life. I want peace. I want my daughter to see a world without American military involvement overseas.
I am not a fan of unending drone warfare without oversight or objective.
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Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:
So what would you specifically do?
You, along with the right wingers, will criticize if he wants more military action or less military action.
So what is your plan of action?
More or less isn't really the crux of the issue, I think you know that but you are in full troll mode.
My plan of action would be to go to congress. If there is an objective in Iraq I would not pussyfoot around I would send ground troops and the full might of the American war machine. I am not sure it is worth it since the people of Iraq have proven time and again that they are not interested in defending their own country.
I do not think involving ourselves in Syria even makes sense. I am not interested in entering Syria.
I want a clear declaration of objectives, and I want clear contingencies to prevent mission creep. We are being set up for another decade at war, and most people are too busy, or too stupid to even take notice.
I am 31 years old. I have never seen peace in my adult life. I want peace. I want my daughter to see a world without American military involvement overseas.
I am not a fan of unending drone warfare without oversight or objective.
Of course they are. If politics makes strange bedfellows, what do you think war does?
Look at Egypt...all of the rival groups joined to fight the government and ended up fighting themselves.
And around and around we go.
Afghanistan, Iraq, Egypt, Libya and now Syria.
Terrorists that hate Americans have been in Syria long before the American people heard about ISIS. Propaganda works huh? It didn't take the American media long to convince the American people that going after ISIS was a matter of national security.
Who are we backing in Syria and what is our problem with Assad and the Syrian Armed Forces? They're the only group protecting Syria's 2,000,000 Christians (I think I have that right ... it's a little confusing).
How long do you think it will take for this new war against ISIS to spread into Iran?
We're going to have the citizens of every country in the Middle East and N Africa hating us within the next decade (they probably already do).
Who is going to benefit from this? Not the American people. The Members of the Council on Foreign Relations have made out pretty good for the most part. Especially the founders and the presidents circle members.
I can't really think of anyone else that these wars have been good for ... can you?
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Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:
Of course they are. If politics makes strange bedfellows, what do you think war does?
Look at Egypt...all of the rival groups joined to fight the government and ended up fighting themselves.
And around and around we go.
Afghanistan, Iraq, Egypt, Libya and now Syria.
Terrorists that hate Americans have been in Syria long before the American people heard about ISIS. Propaganda works huh? It didn't take the American media long to convince the American people that going after ISIS was a matter of national security.
Who are we backing in Syria and what is our problem with Assad and the Syrian Armed Forces? They're the only group protecting Syria's 2,000,000 Christians (I think I have that right ... it's a little confusing).
How long do you think it will take for this new war against ISIS to spread into Iran?
We're going to have the citizens of every country in the Middle East and N Africa hating us within the next decade (they probably already do).
Who is going to benefit from this? Not the American people. The Members of the Council on Foreign Relations have made out pretty good for the most part. Especially the founders and the presidents circle members.
I can't really think of anyone else that these wars have been good for ... can you?
More or less isn't really the crux of the issue, I think you know that but you are in full troll mode.
My plan of action would be to go to congress. If there is an objective in Iraq I would not pussyfoot around I would send ground troops and the full might of the American war machine. I am not sure it is worth it since the people of Iraq have proven time and again that they are not interested in defending their own country.
I do not think involving ourselves in Syria even makes sense. I am not interested in entering Syria.
I want a clear declaration of objectives, and I want clear contingencies to prevent mission creep. We are being set up for another decade at war, and most people are too busy, or too stupid to even take notice.
I am 31 years old. I have never seen peace in my adult life. I want peace. I want my daughter to see a world without American military involvement overseas.
I am not a fan of unending drone warfare without oversight or objective.
Congress is going to vote on the 16th I think. Not only will they support it but it will be a more aggressive plan than Obama laid out. They will want to spend big bucks to train and equip Syrian rebels. I hope that makes you feel better.
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Quote Originally Posted by rick3117:
More or less isn't really the crux of the issue, I think you know that but you are in full troll mode.
My plan of action would be to go to congress. If there is an objective in Iraq I would not pussyfoot around I would send ground troops and the full might of the American war machine. I am not sure it is worth it since the people of Iraq have proven time and again that they are not interested in defending their own country.
I do not think involving ourselves in Syria even makes sense. I am not interested in entering Syria.
I want a clear declaration of objectives, and I want clear contingencies to prevent mission creep. We are being set up for another decade at war, and most people are too busy, or too stupid to even take notice.
I am 31 years old. I have never seen peace in my adult life. I want peace. I want my daughter to see a world without American military involvement overseas.
I am not a fan of unending drone warfare without oversight or objective.
Congress is going to vote on the 16th I think. Not only will they support it but it will be a more aggressive plan than Obama laid out. They will want to spend big bucks to train and equip Syrian rebels. I hope that makes you feel better.
I don't know what thread you mean. What am I explaining?
My thoughts on the Ray Rice thing is that it is between him and his employer on how they want to handle it.
The NFL suspension is a joke.
I just meant any of the threads about the issue. Didn't know if you wanted to answer in this thread. Aren't you a lawyer?
So, when you say between employer and Rice---is that a legal opinion? I guess the part I don't understand legally is can a job fire you for something like this if the police do not charge you? I understand the NFL code of conduct thing, similar to the Stirling thing in NBA. But what about a normal job? It just seems to me the media and folks are wanting the NFL to sort of do the job of the police. Am I way off or not understanding the legal part? Thanks.
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Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:
I don't know what thread you mean. What am I explaining?
My thoughts on the Ray Rice thing is that it is between him and his employer on how they want to handle it.
The NFL suspension is a joke.
I just meant any of the threads about the issue. Didn't know if you wanted to answer in this thread. Aren't you a lawyer?
So, when you say between employer and Rice---is that a legal opinion? I guess the part I don't understand legally is can a job fire you for something like this if the police do not charge you? I understand the NFL code of conduct thing, similar to the Stirling thing in NBA. But what about a normal job? It just seems to me the media and folks are wanting the NFL to sort of do the job of the police. Am I way off or not understanding the legal part? Thanks.
What could possibly go wrong? We should solve that problem in no time. I'm sure they're going to be thrilled with the US hopping in the middle of a civil war.
Very impressive.
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Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:
Syrian Armed Forces, National Defense Force, Syrian Resistance, Ba'ath Brigades, Hezbollah, Liwa Abu al-Fadhal al-Abbas, Badr Organization Kata'ib Hezbollah
vs
Islamic Front, Free Syrian Army, Al Nusra Front, Ajnad al Sham Islamic Union, Authenticity and Development Front, Army of Mujahedeen
vs
Islamic State
I think the US is going to back the middle group. The US doesn't like IS or Assad's Syrian Armed Forces.
What could possibly go wrong? We should solve that problem in no time. I'm sure they're going to be thrilled with the US hopping in the middle of a civil war.
So you are saying that you support doing nothing? Absolutely nothing?
That's right ..The United States should not be the Air Force for the Iraq Army ..an Army that had two full divisions of soldiers throw down their arms and desert .
Unless,, ISIS poses a direct threat to the United States we should do nothing. There is nothing the US can do in Iraq ,but get pulled into a long drawn out war ..Doing nothing at this time is better than Obama doomed strategy.. No boots on the ground is a blueprint for failure.
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Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:
No action is good action?
So you are saying that you support doing nothing? Absolutely nothing?
That's right ..The United States should not be the Air Force for the Iraq Army ..an Army that had two full divisions of soldiers throw down their arms and desert .
Unless,, ISIS poses a direct threat to the United States we should do nothing. There is nothing the US can do in Iraq ,but get pulled into a long drawn out war ..Doing nothing at this time is better than Obama doomed strategy.. No boots on the ground is a blueprint for failure.
Congress is going to vote on the 16th I think. Not only will they support it but it will be a more aggressive plan than Obama laid out. They will want to spend big bucks to train and equip Syrian rebels. I hope that makes you feel better.
I think it is a serious mistake to go into Syria. A congressional vote is a step in the right direction.
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Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:
Congress is going to vote on the 16th I think. Not only will they support it but it will be a more aggressive plan than Obama laid out. They will want to spend big bucks to train and equip Syrian rebels. I hope that makes you feel better.
I think it is a serious mistake to go into Syria. A congressional vote is a step in the right direction.
More or less isn't really the crux of the issue, I think you know that but you are in full troll mode.
My plan of action would be to go to congress. If there is an objective in Iraq I would not pussyfoot around I would send ground troops and the full might of the American war machine. I am not sure it is worth it since the people of Iraq have proven time and again that they are not interested in defending their own country.
I do not think involving ourselves in Syria even makes sense. I am not interested in entering Syria.
I want a clear declaration of objectives, and I want clear contingencies to prevent mission creep. We are being set up for another decade at war, and most people are too busy, or too stupid to even take notice.
I am 31 years old. I have never seen peace in my adult life. I want peace. I want my daughter to see a world without American military involvement overseas.
I am not a fan of unending drone warfare without oversight or objective.
Ok, I can understand your argument. But Congress does not set foreign policy....the President does.
So you favor an all or nothing approach in Iraq and nothing in Syria, and if we are using any force at all, you want Congressional approval? Is that your position?
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Quote Originally Posted by rick3117:
More or less isn't really the crux of the issue, I think you know that but you are in full troll mode.
My plan of action would be to go to congress. If there is an objective in Iraq I would not pussyfoot around I would send ground troops and the full might of the American war machine. I am not sure it is worth it since the people of Iraq have proven time and again that they are not interested in defending their own country.
I do not think involving ourselves in Syria even makes sense. I am not interested in entering Syria.
I want a clear declaration of objectives, and I want clear contingencies to prevent mission creep. We are being set up for another decade at war, and most people are too busy, or too stupid to even take notice.
I am 31 years old. I have never seen peace in my adult life. I want peace. I want my daughter to see a world without American military involvement overseas.
I am not a fan of unending drone warfare without oversight or objective.
Ok, I can understand your argument. But Congress does not set foreign policy....the President does.
So you favor an all or nothing approach in Iraq and nothing in Syria, and if we are using any force at all, you want Congressional approval? Is that your position?
I just meant any of the threads about the issue. Didn't know if you wanted to answer in this thread. Aren't you a lawyer?
So, when you say between employer and Rice---is that a legal opinion? I guess the part I don't understand legally is can a job fire you for something like this if the police do not charge you? I understand the NFL code of conduct thing, similar to the Stirling thing in NBA. But what about a normal job? It just seems to me the media and folks are wanting the NFL to sort of do the job of the police. Am I way off or not understanding the legal part? Thanks.
An employer can generally fire an employee for anything outside of race, color, sexual orientation, in many cases, age, etc. unless the employee contract states otherwise.
NFL players are at will employees.
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Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:
I just meant any of the threads about the issue. Didn't know if you wanted to answer in this thread. Aren't you a lawyer?
So, when you say between employer and Rice---is that a legal opinion? I guess the part I don't understand legally is can a job fire you for something like this if the police do not charge you? I understand the NFL code of conduct thing, similar to the Stirling thing in NBA. But what about a normal job? It just seems to me the media and folks are wanting the NFL to sort of do the job of the police. Am I way off or not understanding the legal part? Thanks.
An employer can generally fire an employee for anything outside of race, color, sexual orientation, in many cases, age, etc. unless the employee contract states otherwise.
I think it is a serious mistake to go into Syria. A congressional vote is a step in the right direction.
The US is going to topple Assad, install a puppet government and eventually go into Iran. The Saudis (really the US) have been backing the Free Syrian Army and Iran (really Russia) has been backing Assad and the Syrian government.
That is what is going to happen. The people above the politicians want it that way. If they can use propaganda and get the American people to support it than it will go to congress ... If the propaganda doesn't work than it won't go to congress.
It has to do with pipe lines, oil and the petrodollar.
ISIS is a JV team. ISIS is a pawn in the chess game. Russia is the varsity team.
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Quote Originally Posted by rick3117:
I think it is a serious mistake to go into Syria. A congressional vote is a step in the right direction.
The US is going to topple Assad, install a puppet government and eventually go into Iran. The Saudis (really the US) have been backing the Free Syrian Army and Iran (really Russia) has been backing Assad and the Syrian government.
That is what is going to happen. The people above the politicians want it that way. If they can use propaganda and get the American people to support it than it will go to congress ... If the propaganda doesn't work than it won't go to congress.
It has to do with pipe lines, oil and the petrodollar.
ISIS is a JV team. ISIS is a pawn in the chess game. Russia is the varsity team.
An employer can generally fire an employee for anything outside of race, color, sexual orientation, in many cases, age, etc. unless the employee contract states otherwise.
NFL players are at will employees.
Gotcha. Thanks. Never heard of this before. I assumed if no charges were warranted, employer couldn't or wouldn't fire you anyway.
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Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:
An employer can generally fire an employee for anything outside of race, color, sexual orientation, in many cases, age, etc. unless the employee contract states otherwise.
NFL players are at will employees.
Gotcha. Thanks. Never heard of this before. I assumed if no charges were warranted, employer couldn't or wouldn't fire you anyway.
An employer can generally fire an employee for anything outside of race, color, sexual orientation, in many cases, age, etc. unless the employee contract states otherwise.
NFL players are at will employees.
Why would NFL players sign contracts that allowed them to be fired " at will " ?
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Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:
An employer can generally fire an employee for anything outside of race, color, sexual orientation, in many cases, age, etc. unless the employee contract states otherwise.
NFL players are at will employees.
Why would NFL players sign contracts that allowed them to be fired " at will " ?
So DJ. If I get accused of domestic violence but police do not charge me. My job can let me go? Does this have to be a right to work state? If I am, say,a machinist can the union back me or that is not up to them? Thanks.
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So DJ. If I get accused of domestic violence but police do not charge me. My job can let me go? Does this have to be a right to work state? If I am, say,a machinist can the union back me or that is not up to them? Thanks.
So you are saying that you support doing nothing? Absolutely nothing?
When the mission is not clear it is better to do nothing..and from what Obama put foward in his strategy speech to me the mission strategy is not clear..
Sun Wu Tzu in The Art of War..."Know your enemy." if Obama doesn't know that ISIS is Islamic,,he indeed does not know the enemy..
So, DJB where I'm I wrong? .
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Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:
No action is good action?
So you are saying that you support doing nothing? Absolutely nothing?
When the mission is not clear it is better to do nothing..and from what Obama put foward in his strategy speech to me the mission strategy is not clear..
Sun Wu Tzu in The Art of War..."Know your enemy." if Obama doesn't know that ISIS is Islamic,,he indeed does not know the enemy..
So DJ. If I get accused of domestic violence but police do not charge me. My job can let me go? Does this have to be a right to work state? If I am, say,a machinist can the union back me or that is not up to them? Thanks.
Right to work states have nothing to do with whether an employer can let an employee go. There may be rules within a business/union contract on termination, but that is a different issue.
The union can back you but it all depends on what the specific contract says.
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Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:
So DJ. If I get accused of domestic violence but police do not charge me. My job can let me go? Does this have to be a right to work state? If I am, say,a machinist can the union back me or that is not up to them? Thanks.
Right to work states have nothing to do with whether an employer can let an employee go. There may be rules within a business/union contract on termination, but that is a different issue.
The union can back you but it all depends on what the specific contract says.
I don't know that you are wrong. I think it is difficult to do nothing, but then again, I am 100% against any use of troops unless they pose a direct danger to the US so you may not be wrong.
I worry that ISIS will continue to grow in power however....
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Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:
So, DJB where I'm I wrong? .
I don't know that you are wrong. I think it is difficult to do nothing, but then again, I am 100% against any use of troops unless they pose a direct danger to the US so you may not be wrong.
I worry that ISIS will continue to grow in power however....
Right to work states have nothing to do with whether an employer can let an employee go. There may be rules within a business/union contract on termination, but that is a different issue.
The union can back you but it all depends on what the specific contract says.
Very interesting I had no idea of this. Good to learn something everyday.
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Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:
Right to work states have nothing to do with whether an employer can let an employee go. There may be rules within a business/union contract on termination, but that is a different issue.
The union can back you but it all depends on what the specific contract says.
Very interesting I had no idea of this. Good to learn something everyday.
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