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    Obama war on Internet 'will weaken America'

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    The Obama administration is moving forward with plans to relinquish U.S. control over Internet domains, but many conservatives are demanding the president not change what is working fine by ceding control to other countries, which could then limit the content their own citizens can see.

    The old contract by which the United States controlled Internet domain aspects since 1987 actually expired at the end of September 2015. Since then, the Obama administration has been trying to build a framework to transition the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers, or ICANN, to a “multi-stakeholder” system. As more of those details get ironed out, the end of American control draws near. Extended U.S. control is slated to end later this month.

    Rep. Ted Yoho, R-Fla., is among those who believe this is a big mistake.

    “Is this move going to strengthen America, or is this move going to weaken it? I think it’s very clear that if we do what President Obama wants to do, it’ll weaken America’s stance again,” said Yoho, who is a strong supporter of the DOTCOM Act.

    That bill passed the House of Representatives overwhelmingly last year, but the Senate has yet to take it up. It would give Congress oversight of any transfer of Internet domain control and give lawmakers the power to kill or modify the plan.

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    Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas, is spearheading the effort in the Senate to keep the Internet in U.S. hands.

    Yoho told WND and Radio America his approach is simple. The current system isn’t broken, so why radically change it?

    “The U.S. has been in control of the domain names of the Internet since its inception. If we relinquish this control, it goes possibly to the U.N. Then you have countries like Russia, China and Iran and any other country that wants to play, and [they get to] determine how to regulate those domain names within their countries,” Yoho explained.

    He said giving authoritarian leaders control over what their people can access only means bad results.

    “I think you’re going to see a decrease in access to the Internet, a decrease of freedom over the Internet to an extent we have never experienced before,” he said.

    Yoho said those nations would not be in position to block what Americans can see online, but they could restrict anything they wanted for their own populations.

    “They can block any country’s intellectual property or content from being accessed by somebody in Russia or China or Iran. You’re starting to limit people,” he said.

    “If you look at one of the basic underlying tenets of liberty, it’s freedom of speech, freedom of expression, freedom to access of information. If we start sequestering that and blocking it off, you’re going to have pockets around the world that are going to become more and more isolated,” Yoho said.

    He said the past 29 years prove the U.S. is best at guaranteeing people around the world have access to all available information to learn and better their lives.

    “One of the things that made the Internet so explosive and such an economic and intellectual force is because of the free-market enterprise in a country like the U.S. controlling access to it,” Yoho said.

    Yoho sees two other dangers of relinquishing total control of Internet domains. First is the additional risks to our already vulnerable cyber defenses.

    “If they take over the domain names and things like that, who knows what they’ll plan as far as malware or some type of cyber bug that’ll get into everybody’s computer? So this is a misstep by this administration,” Yoho said.

    He said the Obama administration is also breaking the law by pushing this plan forward without congressional authorization.

    “It’s a violation of federal law for an officer or an employee of the United States government to make or authorize an expenditure or obligation exceeding the amount we’ve appropriated,” Yoho said. “By doing what they want to do, it’s against the law. That doesn’t seem to be a concern for this administration, and we aim to stop it.”


    Read more at https://www.wnd.com/2016/09/obama-war-on-internet-will-weaken-america/#gfeCpUGo0OV6mkSr.99

    Michael M • 7 hours ago

    Notice that the POS in the Oval Office has done everything to weaken America and strengthen those that wish us ill will? In some circles, that would be call not just treacherous but traitor in behavior.

    Now I know all the people on the left agrees with what Obama is doing?                     


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    The Obama administration is moving forward with plans to relinquish U.S. control over Internet domains, but many conservatives are demanding the president not change what is working fine by ceding control to other countries, which could then limit the content their own citizens can see.

    The old contract by which the United States controlled Internet domain aspects since 1987 actually expired at the end of September 2015. Since then, the Obama administration has been trying to build a framework to transition the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers, or ICANN, to a “multi-stakeholder” system. As more of those details get ironed out, the end of American control draws near. Extended U.S. control is slated to end later this month.

    Rep. Ted Yoho, R-Fla., is among those who believe this is a big mistake.

    “Is this move going to strengthen America, or is this move going to weaken it? I think it’s very clear that if we do what President Obama wants to do, it’ll weaken America’s stance again,” said Yoho, who is a strong supporter of the DOTCOM Act.

    That bill passed the House of Representatives overwhelmingly last year, but the Senate has yet to take it up. It would give Congress oversight of any transfer of Internet domain control and give lawmakers the power to kill or modify the plan.

    Like the reporting you see here? Sign up for free news alerts from WND.com, America’s independent news network.

    Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas, is spearheading the effort in the Senate to keep the Internet in U.S. hands.

    Yoho told WND and Radio America his approach is simple. The current system isn’t broken, so why radically change it?

    “The U.S. has been in control of the domain names of the Internet since its inception. If we relinquish this control, it goes possibly to the U.N. Then you have countries like Russia, China and Iran and any other country that wants to play, and [they get to] determine how to regulate those domain names within their countries,” Yoho explained.

    He said giving authoritarian leaders control over what their people can access only means bad results.

    “I think you’re going to see a decrease in access to the Internet, a decrease of freedom over the Internet to an extent we have never experienced before,” he said.

    Yoho said those nations would not be in position to block what Americans can see online, but they could restrict anything they wanted for their own populations.

    “They can block any country’s intellectual property or content from being accessed by somebody in Russia or China or Iran. You’re starting to limit people,” he said.

    “If you look at one of the basic underlying tenets of liberty, it’s freedom of speech, freedom of expression, freedom to access of information. If we start sequestering that and blocking it off, you’re going to have pockets around the world that are going to become more and more isolated,” Yoho said.

    He said the past 29 years prove the U.S. is best at guaranteeing people around the world have access to all available information to learn and better their lives.

    “One of the things that made the Internet so explosive and such an economic and intellectual force is because of the free-market enterprise in a country like the U.S. controlling access to it,” Yoho said.

    Yoho sees two other dangers of relinquishing total control of Internet domains. First is the additional risks to our already vulnerable cyber defenses.

    “If they take over the domain names and things like that, who knows what they’ll plan as far as malware or some type of cyber bug that’ll get into everybody’s computer? So this is a misstep by this administration,” Yoho said.

    He said the Obama administration is also breaking the law by pushing this plan forward without congressional authorization.

    “It’s a violation of federal law for an officer or an employee of the United States government to make or authorize an expenditure or obligation exceeding the amount we’ve appropriated,” Yoho said. “By doing what they want to do, it’s against the law. That doesn’t seem to be a concern for this administration, and we aim to stop it.”


    Read more at https://www.wnd.com/2016/09/obama-war-on-internet-will-weaken-america/#gfeCpUGo0OV6mkSr.99

    Michael M • 7 hours ago

    Notice that the POS in the Oval Office has done everything to weaken America and strengthen those that wish us ill will? In some circles, that would be call not just treacherous but traitor in behavior.

    Now I know all the people on the left agrees with what Obama is doing?                     


     
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    O is a feminine, Muslim punk. 
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    Since 1997, the U.S. never intended for its internet stewardship of domain names to go on forever.  Move to relinguish control is evolution supported by U.S. major technology companies.  According to Google, the internet was built to be borderless and a multi-stakeholder model of governance creates an opportunity to preserve its security, stability and openness.  No single country should have excessive influence over a global system.  However U.S. would still retain control of high level domain names.
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    Since 1997, the U.S. never intended for its internet stewardship of domain names to go on forever.  Move to relinguish control is evolution supported by U.S. major technology companies.  According to Google, the internet was built to be borderless and a multi-stakeholder model of governance creates an opportunity to preserve its security, stability and openness.  No single country should have excessive influence over a global system.  However U.S. would still retain control of high level domain names.
     
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    Nice to know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Since 1997, the U.S. never intended for its internet stewardship of domain names to go on forever.  Move to relinguish control is evolution supported by U.S. major technology companies.  According to Google, the internet was built to be borderless and a multi-stakeholder model of governance creates an opportunity to preserve its security, stability and openness.  No single country should have excessive influence over a global system.  However U.S. would still retain control of high level domain names.

    Doesn't the idea of Google wielding such influence bother you a little bit? or giving powerful and very shady states like China and Russia more power than they deserve ?

    It should


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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Since 1997, the U.S. never intended for its internet stewardship of domain names to go on forever.  Move to relinguish control is evolution supported by U.S. major technology companies.  According to Google, the internet was built to be borderless and a multi-stakeholder model of governance creates an opportunity to preserve its security, stability and openness.  No single country should have excessive influence over a global system.  However U.S. would still retain control of high level domain names.

    Doesn't the idea of Google wielding such influence bother you a little bit? or giving powerful and very shady states like China and Russia more power than they deserve ?

    It should


     
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    Posted: Sep. 16, 2016 - 2:51 PM ET #6

    The myth is that the US owns the internet.  Actually, no one does.  According to NY Times, Cruz doesn't understand how the internet operates.  US job of domain name administration is clerical.  Nothing to do with content or freedom of expression. 

     

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    The myth is that the US owns the internet.  Actually, no one does.  According to NY Times, Cruz doesn't understand how the internet operates.  US job of domain name administration is clerical.  Nothing to do with content or freedom of expression. 

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by TILTOLOGIC:


    Doesn't the idea of Google wielding such influence bother you a little bit? or giving powerful and very shady states like China and Russia more power than they deserve ?

    It should


    Then if this bothers you does trump being indebted to russian oligarchs bother you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TILTOLOGIC:


    Doesn't the idea of Google wielding such influence bother you a little bit? or giving powerful and very shady states like China and Russia more power than they deserve ?

    It should


    Then if this bothers you does trump being indebted to russian oligarchs bother you?
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    The myth is that the US owns the internet.  Actually, no one does.  According to NY Times, Cruz doesn't understand how the internet operates.  US job of domain name administration is clerical.  Nothing to do with content or freedom of expression. 

     


    Its not and never has been about "ownership"

    Ted Cruz is a National Disgrace.  So you got one part right


    The rest is 100% factually incorrect


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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    The myth is that the US owns the internet.  Actually, no one does.  According to NY Times, Cruz doesn't understand how the internet operates.  US job of domain name administration is clerical.  Nothing to do with content or freedom of expression. 

     


    Its not and never has been about "ownership"

    Ted Cruz is a National Disgrace.  So you got one part right


    The rest is 100% factually incorrect


     
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    Posted: Sep. 16, 2016 - 7:41 PM ET #9

    Quote Originally Posted by darkhorse12:

    Then if this bothers you does trump being indebted to russian oligarchs bother you?

    Yes it does.  But I don't know that to be true. I've heard these claims,  Do you? If so, I'm honestly all ears and open to persuasion provided these claims can be substantiated.

    My enthusiasm for the current situation has nearly everything to do with angst the current establishment is feeling. And very little to do with Trump. I openly admit I'm enjoying watching the chickens come home to roost.

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    Then if this bothers you does trump being indebted to russian oligarchs bother you?

    Yes it does.  But I don't know that to be true. I've heard these claims,  Do you? If so, I'm honestly all ears and open to persuasion provided these claims can be substantiated.

    My enthusiasm for the current situation has nearly everything to do with angst the current establishment is feeling. And very little to do with Trump. I openly admit I'm enjoying watching the chickens come home to roost.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by TILTOLOGIC:


    Its not and never has been about "ownership"

    Ted Cruz is a National Disgrace.  So you got one part right


    The rest is 100% factually incorrect


    Cruz sees the internet as US government property that shouldn't be given away.  However US doesn't own the internet according to mediamatters and government accountability office.

    Also Cruz claims a risk to internet freedom.  Freedom of expression is related to content.  However US supervision of ICANN is minimal and mainly clerical according to phys.org and Motherboard.  Not as a regulator of content.

     

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    Its not and never has been about "ownership"

    Ted Cruz is a National Disgrace.  So you got one part right


    The rest is 100% factually incorrect


    Cruz sees the internet as US government property that shouldn't be given away.  However US doesn't own the internet according to mediamatters and government accountability office.

    Also Cruz claims a risk to internet freedom.  Freedom of expression is related to content.  However US supervision of ICANN is minimal and mainly clerical according to phys.org and Motherboard.  Not as a regulator of content.

     

     
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    Whatever anyone says about this issue is OK by me...

    HOWEVER, If odumbo is for giving it away....IT MUST BE A BAD THING FOR AMERICA....or else he wouldn't do it.
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    Whatever anyone says about this issue is OK by me...

    HOWEVER, If odumbo is for giving it away....IT MUST BE A BAD THING FOR AMERICA....or else he wouldn't do it.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 17, 2016 - 5:12 PM ET #13

    Quote Originally Posted by TILTOLOGIC:


    Yes it does.  But I don't know that to be true. I've heard these claims,  Do you? If so, I'm honestly all ears and open to persuasion provided these claims can be substantiated.

    My enthusiasm for the current situation has nearly everything to do with angst the current establishment is feeling. And very little to do with Trump. I openly admit I'm enjoying watching the chickens come home to roost.

    I've stated more than once that I'm not a big fan of hillary but I'm even a lesser fan of trump. As for his rusky ties I agree that it can't be proven. But with his business interests there it is more probable than not just how much is the question.I believe there are multiple reasons he won't release his taxes, this being one of those reasons.
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    Yes it does.  But I don't know that to be true. I've heard these claims,  Do you? If so, I'm honestly all ears and open to persuasion provided these claims can be substantiated.

    My enthusiasm for the current situation has nearly everything to do with angst the current establishment is feeling. And very little to do with Trump. I openly admit I'm enjoying watching the chickens come home to roost.

    I've stated more than once that I'm not a big fan of hillary but I'm even a lesser fan of trump. As for his rusky ties I agree that it can't be proven. But with his business interests there it is more probable than not just how much is the question.I believe there are multiple reasons he won't release his taxes, this being one of those reasons.
     
     
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    Posted: Sep. 17, 2016 - 6:05 PM ET #14

    internet was created to figure out how many sportsfans and relax_dudes are out there. and all the other loonies who will vote for trump
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    internet was created to figure out how many sportsfans and relax_dudes are out there. and all the other loonies who will vote for trump
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