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    Posted: Jul. 14, 2021 - 8:17 AM ET #1

    People fleeing Cuba and Haiti by boat will not be allowed to enter the U.S., even if they demonstrate fear of being persecuted or tortured in their home countries, DHS Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas warned today.

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/us-homeland-security-secretary-cuba-haiti-boats-no-refuge/

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    People fleeing Cuba and Haiti by boat will not be allowed to enter the U.S., even if they demonstrate fear of being persecuted or tortured in their home countries, DHS Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas warned today.

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/us-homeland-security-secretary-cuba-haiti-boats-no-refuge/

     
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    Posted: Jul. 14, 2021 - 8:24 AM ET #2

    Democrats just cried racism for 4 years saying asylum was a right. Where are all of these idiots now? Where are the protests? 

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    Democrats just cried racism for 4 years saying asylum was a right. Where are all of these idiots now? Where are the protests? 

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    Posted: Jul. 14, 2021 - 8:28 AM ET #3

    I guess open borders only applies if you’re likely to vote Democrat? 

    Show me one person calling Joe Biden a racist for this policy. 

    Democrats use the term ‘racism’ as a political weapon. 

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    I guess open borders only applies if you’re likely to vote Democrat? 

    Show me one person calling Joe Biden a racist for this policy. 

    Democrats use the term ‘racism’ as a political weapon. 

     
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    Posted: Jul. 14, 2021 - 10:01 AM ET #4

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    Posted: Jul. 14, 2021 - 1:40 PM ET #5

    How will the rest of the world view opening the Mexico border and blocking people desperately escaping communism? A country where the leader turned his followers on those seeking freedom.

    According to The New York Times, demanding freedom is an "ANTI-GOVERMENT SLOGAN" an_eek2

    Amazing!!

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    How will the rest of the world view opening the Mexico border and blocking people desperately escaping communism? A country where the leader turned his followers on those seeking freedom.

    According to The New York Times, demanding freedom is an "ANTI-GOVERMENT SLOGAN" an_eek2

    Amazing!!

     
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    Posted: Jul. 14, 2021 - 3:50 PM ET #6

    People have been fleeing these 2 countries for decades. However, regarding Cuba they are looking to overthrow the government whereas Haiti a government for all intents & purposes doesn't exist. As it relates to our country, these 2 countries couldn't be more different.

    Cubans in America have become a wealthy powerful group especially in South Florida. Yesterday they were allowed to close down a major highway for hours during their peaceful protest. Their political power is hefty & supported the Trump catastrophe for the last 4 years. They want freedom in Cuba & not flee to America. Many in America want to go back to the families they left & start legitimate businesses.

    Haitians who made it to our shores over the years still lack any political power, they have minimal financial power including in the business world & have not yet developed major leaders in their communities. They are one of the poorest countries in the world with little or no infrastructure. 

    I've been in SFLA since 76 & have seen many empty boats arrive at our shores. They can also been seen in the ocean during fishing trips. They are made of tires, tubes, ropes & anything else that will float. Warning people not to make this trip to our country is humanitarian not discriminatory.

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    People have been fleeing these 2 countries for decades. However, regarding Cuba they are looking to overthrow the government whereas Haiti a government for all intents & purposes doesn't exist. As it relates to our country, these 2 countries couldn't be more different.

    Cubans in America have become a wealthy powerful group especially in South Florida. Yesterday they were allowed to close down a major highway for hours during their peaceful protest. Their political power is hefty & supported the Trump catastrophe for the last 4 years. They want freedom in Cuba & not flee to America. Many in America want to go back to the families they left & start legitimate businesses.

    Haitians who made it to our shores over the years still lack any political power, they have minimal financial power including in the business world & have not yet developed major leaders in their communities. They are one of the poorest countries in the world with little or no infrastructure. 

    I've been in SFLA since 76 & have seen many empty boats arrive at our shores. They can also been seen in the ocean during fishing trips. They are made of tires, tubes, ropes & anything else that will float. Warning people not to make this trip to our country is humanitarian not discriminatory.

     
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    Posted: Jul. 14, 2021 - 3:59 PM ET #7

    A group of mercenaries shot and killed the president of Haiti. The country is incomplete turmoil.  And for a clan that founded their nation with Satan as the patriarch I guess par for the course. 

    Cuba has a been a complete cluster fuck when Fidel died. The world has abandoned both nations making them ripe for Chinese investments.  

    He Chinese seem to be now engaging in nation building and I am sure that us involvement in Haiti is forth coming.

    Wonder if the old to talk Bill Clinton is willing to take his am ambassador for Haiti. I suppose without a slush fund such as the earth quake not a concern he be happy to keep his distance. 

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    A group of mercenaries shot and killed the president of Haiti. The country is incomplete turmoil.  And for a clan that founded their nation with Satan as the patriarch I guess par for the course. 

    Cuba has a been a complete cluster fuck when Fidel died. The world has abandoned both nations making them ripe for Chinese investments.  

    He Chinese seem to be now engaging in nation building and I am sure that us involvement in Haiti is forth coming.

    Wonder if the old to talk Bill Clinton is willing to take his am ambassador for Haiti. I suppose without a slush fund such as the earth quake not a concern he be happy to keep his distance. 

     
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    Posted: Jul. 14, 2021 - 5:18 PM ET #8

    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:

    A group of mercenaries shot and killed the president of Haiti. The country is incomplete turmoil.  And for a clan that founded their nation with Satan as the patriarch I guess par for the course.  Cuba has a been a complete cluster fuck when Fidel died. The world has abandoned both nations making them ripe for Chinese investments.   He Chinese seem to be now engaging in nation building and I am sure that us involvement in Haiti is forth coming. Wonder if the old to talk Bill Clinton is willing to take his am ambassador for Haiti. I suppose without a slush fund such as the earth quake not a concern he be happy to keep his distance.

    Africa, South America, the Caribbean. Scary shit. Anybody remember when I said fuck China? I believe it was in a thread about tariffs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:

    A group of mercenaries shot and killed the president of Haiti. The country is incomplete turmoil.  And for a clan that founded their nation with Satan as the patriarch I guess par for the course.  Cuba has a been a complete cluster fuck when Fidel died. The world has abandoned both nations making them ripe for Chinese investments.   He Chinese seem to be now engaging in nation building and I am sure that us involvement in Haiti is forth coming. Wonder if the old to talk Bill Clinton is willing to take his am ambassador for Haiti. I suppose without a slush fund such as the earth quake not a concern he be happy to keep his distance.

    Africa, South America, the Caribbean. Scary shit. Anybody remember when I said fuck China? I believe it was in a thread about tariffs.

     
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    Posted: Jul. 14, 2021 - 6:12 PM ET #9

    The new law signed by DeSantis to stop protestors from blocking roadways was not applied yesterday or today.

    He knows who butters his bread like most scumbag politicians.

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    The new law signed by DeSantis to stop protestors from blocking roadways was not applied yesterday or today.

    He knows who butters his bread like most scumbag politicians.

     
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    Posted: Jul. 14, 2021 - 7:37 PM ET #10

    Why do so many Democrats hate capitalism and like socialism? 

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    Why do so many Democrats hate capitalism and like socialism? 

     
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    Posted: Jul. 14, 2021 - 8:56 PM ET #11

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     I have been a capitalist my whole life & in the last 25 years or so I've shared my good fortune with others.

    You do know you can do both, right?

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     I have been a capitalist my whole life & in the last 25 years or so I've shared my good fortune with others.

    You do know you can do both, right?

     
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    Posted: Jul. 14, 2021 - 9:08 PM ET #12

    You didn’t answer my question 

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    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    You didn’t answer my question

    I've got a question for you. What makes you think Democrats hate capitalism? I swear, you'll hear people in one breath talking about how the Democrats are slaves to corporations, slave to a billionaire ruling class, etc, etc, then in the next breath, they hate capitalism. Capitalism unchecked becomes a form of communism where instead of the state driven, it will be corporations like Amazon. Mark my words, in the next 5 years you will see Amazon workers living in Amazon housing, getting food rations and being paid in script to spend in the amazon company store.

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    You didn’t answer my question

    I've got a question for you. What makes you think Democrats hate capitalism? I swear, you'll hear people in one breath talking about how the Democrats are slaves to corporations, slave to a billionaire ruling class, etc, etc, then in the next breath, they hate capitalism. Capitalism unchecked becomes a form of communism where instead of the state driven, it will be corporations like Amazon. Mark my words, in the next 5 years you will see Amazon workers living in Amazon housing, getting food rations and being paid in script to spend in the amazon company store.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu:

    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox: You didn’t answer my question I've got a question for you. What makes you think Democrats hate capitalism? I swear, you'll hear people in one breath talking about how the Democrats are slaves to corporations, slave to a billionaire ruling class, etc, etc, then in the next breath, they hate capitalism. Capitalism unchecked becomes a form of communism where instead of the state driven, it will be corporations like Amazon. Mark my words, in the next 5 years you will see Amazon workers living in Amazon housing, getting food rations and being paid in script to spend in the amazon company store.

    They can even allow debt to be allowed on Amazon credit cards making workers their indentured servants.  Seems a song about this happened in another Democrat strong hold west Virginia involving coal mining and owing your soul to the company store.

    The pit can get deeper and change the window dressing but wha t happens in this world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu:

    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox: You didn’t answer my question I've got a question for you. What makes you think Democrats hate capitalism? I swear, you'll hear people in one breath talking about how the Democrats are slaves to corporations, slave to a billionaire ruling class, etc, etc, then in the next breath, they hate capitalism. Capitalism unchecked becomes a form of communism where instead of the state driven, it will be corporations like Amazon. Mark my words, in the next 5 years you will see Amazon workers living in Amazon housing, getting food rations and being paid in script to spend in the amazon company store.

    They can even allow debt to be allowed on Amazon credit cards making workers their indentured servants.  Seems a song about this happened in another Democrat strong hold west Virginia involving coal mining and owing your soul to the company store.

    The pit can get deeper and change the window dressing but wha t happens in this world.

     
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    Posted: Jul. 14, 2021 - 9:32 PM ET #15

    As to the original poster if you were sentence for life to rock of Haiti or Cuba you wouldn't plot to flee those nations.... law or no law..?

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    As to the original poster if you were sentence for life to rock of Haiti or Cuba you wouldn't plot to flee those nations.... law or no law..?

     
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    Posted: Jul. 14, 2021 - 10:21 PM ET #16

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     I did answer your question. Our country is a combination of both capitalism & socialism & so am I.

    Why is that so hard to understand?

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     I did answer your question. Our country is a combination of both capitalism & socialism & so am I.

    Why is that so hard to understand?

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    There are 2 different kinds of Democrats. Biden, Cuomo, Pelosi, Clinton, Kerry, Schumer etc they’re all part of the establishment, owned by corporations etc. 

    People like Warren and Harris are in the middle.

    Then there are the socialists and activists. Bernie, AOC, Waters, Omar, Tlaib, Pressley, etc.  These people really have nothing in common with the first group. They get along because the socialists turn a blind eye to their causes and the establishment bends the knee and supports the socialists on social issues. 

    The AOC types are so stupid they fight for welfare because they think it helps people. The Biden type likes welfare not because it helps people but because it controls people and they vote democrat. 

    The Biden types could care less about global warming. But they’re smart enough to use the cause to their advantage. 

    The Biden type of foreign policy is completely different than Bernies, AOC, or Omar’s would be. Biden wants to use American tax dollars to control the world and help special interest groups. Regime change if a foreign leader isn’t playing ball, no real care for human life. Total scum, the same as Bush, Cheney, etc. AOC and Omar want to use American tax dollars and give to less fortunate people for nothing in return. 

    Both views are catastrophic failures and evil in different ways. Although AOC and Omar might actually be coming from a decent place just low iq and naive. 

    These two groups are very different but they need each other. Very odd marriage. 

    However, the establishment candidates are the only ones with real power. Bernie steps up and they squish him like a bug. AOC, Omar or anyone like that has no chance of being the sec of state, VP, President or anything like that. 

    The AOC, Omar, Pressley types honestly believe capitalism is racist. CRT teaches that capitalism is racist. 

    I would say around 50% of Democrats in this country honestly believe this. 

    And the other Democrats would never step up to the plate to correct/educate/debate them. 

    Do you know why they’re afraid to correct/debate them? 

    I know why. 

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    There are 2 different kinds of Democrats. Biden, Cuomo, Pelosi, Clinton, Kerry, Schumer etc they’re all part of the establishment, owned by corporations etc. 

    People like Warren and Harris are in the middle.

    Then there are the socialists and activists. Bernie, AOC, Waters, Omar, Tlaib, Pressley, etc.  These people really have nothing in common with the first group. They get along because the socialists turn a blind eye to their causes and the establishment bends the knee and supports the socialists on social issues. 

    The AOC types are so stupid they fight for welfare because they think it helps people. The Biden type likes welfare not because it helps people but because it controls people and they vote democrat. 

    The Biden types could care less about global warming. But they’re smart enough to use the cause to their advantage. 

    The Biden type of foreign policy is completely different than Bernies, AOC, or Omar’s would be. Biden wants to use American tax dollars to control the world and help special interest groups. Regime change if a foreign leader isn’t playing ball, no real care for human life. Total scum, the same as Bush, Cheney, etc. AOC and Omar want to use American tax dollars and give to less fortunate people for nothing in return. 

    Both views are catastrophic failures and evil in different ways. Although AOC and Omar might actually be coming from a decent place just low iq and naive. 

    These two groups are very different but they need each other. Very odd marriage. 

    However, the establishment candidates are the only ones with real power. Bernie steps up and they squish him like a bug. AOC, Omar or anyone like that has no chance of being the sec of state, VP, President or anything like that. 

    The AOC, Omar, Pressley types honestly believe capitalism is racist. CRT teaches that capitalism is racist. 

    I would say around 50% of Democrats in this country honestly believe this. 

    And the other Democrats would never step up to the plate to correct/educate/debate them. 

    Do you know why they’re afraid to correct/debate them? 

    I know why. 

     
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    offtopic  As usual

    And exposed for not giving a shit about anyone in either country. You rather peddle your usual bullshit.

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    And exposed for not giving a shit about anyone in either country. You rather peddle your usual bullshit.

     
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    Just being owned by corporations is only the start. This is what can be reported on. There is paperwork and you can follow the money. It’s basically acceptable. 

    There is a level above that. 

    These are the people that decide what our foreign policy is. These people control the entire narrative in this country and around the world. 

    This group of people have found a way to use the AOC, Pressley, Omar group to their advantage. This group of Democrats are what is called “useful idiots”. 

    But this is where nothing is concrete. There is no paper trail. You can only make educated guesses and risk sounding like a deranged lunatic. 

    It’s a tough area to dive into. This is the area people like Assange, Snowden, Greenwald etc have tried to get into and they have been destroyed. 

     

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    Just being owned by corporations is only the start. This is what can be reported on. There is paperwork and you can follow the money. It’s basically acceptable. 

    There is a level above that. 

    These are the people that decide what our foreign policy is. These people control the entire narrative in this country and around the world. 

    This group of people have found a way to use the AOC, Pressley, Omar group to their advantage. This group of Democrats are what is called “useful idiots”. 

    But this is where nothing is concrete. There is no paper trail. You can only make educated guesses and risk sounding like a deranged lunatic. 

    It’s a tough area to dive into. This is the area people like Assange, Snowden, Greenwald etc have tried to get into and they have been destroyed. 

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:

    @I_Need_A_Detox  I have been a capitalist my whole life & in the last 25 years or so I've shared my good fortune with others. You do know you can do both, right?

    How many times have you told this forum that you share your good fortune? 

    People like yourself have some sort of mental illness. Clearly your charity work isn’t to help others, it’s to help yourself. 

    You’re probably too stupid to understand what I just said. 

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    @I_Need_A_Detox  I have been a capitalist my whole life & in the last 25 years or so I've shared my good fortune with others. You do know you can do both, right?

    How many times have you told this forum that you share your good fortune? 

    People like yourself have some sort of mental illness. Clearly your charity work isn’t to help others, it’s to help yourself. 

    You’re probably too stupid to understand what I just said. 

     
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    Generally today’s Democrat doesnt have good feelings towards Assange, Snowden or Greenwald. This is because today’s democrat is controlled by the propaganda machine. And obviously the machine doesn’t like them. 

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    Generally today’s Democrat doesnt have good feelings towards Assange, Snowden or Greenwald. This is because today’s democrat is controlled by the propaganda machine. And obviously the machine doesn’t like them. 

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:

    @I_Need_A_Detox  I did answer your question. Our country is a combination of both capitalism & socialism & so am I. Why is that so hard to understand?

    Our country was built on the principles of capitalism. This is what made the US a force. Our country has only been a combination since the welfare state was introduced in the 60’s. 

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    @I_Need_A_Detox  I did answer your question. Our country is a combination of both capitalism & socialism & so am I. Why is that so hard to understand?

    Our country was built on the principles of capitalism. This is what made the US a force. Our country has only been a combination since the welfare state was introduced in the 60’s. 

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1: @I_Need_A_Detox  I did answer your question. Our country is a combination of both capitalism & socialism & so am I. Why is that so hard to understand? Our country was built on the principles of capitalism. This is what made the US a force. Our country has only been a combination since the welfare state was introduced in the 60’s.

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    So the Homestead Act wasn't socialism. Or better yet, all the many times when said farmers who took advantage of the Homestead Act and their offspring have fucked up and had to be bailed out, was that not socialism? To this day, the fed will straight up pay you not to farm. Just, "Hey, there are too many of you dipshits planting wheat like it's 1830. We really don't need more wheat. Just don't plant. We'll pay you not to plant so you fuckers don't drive the price of your blood, sweat, and tears so low that the crops are worth less than the dirt they were planted in. Do you think only mom and pops farmers take advantage of things like this? How many huge conglomerates do you think own subsidiaries who are taking advantage of this "not socialism"? Our country has only been a combination since the welfare state in the 60s. Sometimes I want to give you credit for being one of the more informed dudes here but you always seem to turn around and say some shit so stupid, I realize all that I want to give you credit for is just some shit you more than likely got from a facebook post. Twitter. Some shit like that. That's why you love the cut and paste one liners. Facebook "knowledge" often comes in very cut & paste-able quotes and one liners.

    I still appreciate you, bro. You're not a racist in my book. You're a realist. You miss the mark sometimes though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1: @I_Need_A_Detox  I did answer your question. Our country is a combination of both capitalism & socialism & so am I. Why is that so hard to understand? Our country was built on the principles of capitalism. This is what made the US a force. Our country has only been a combination since the welfare state was introduced in the 60’s.

    an_roll_laugh

    So the Homestead Act wasn't socialism. Or better yet, all the many times when said farmers who took advantage of the Homestead Act and their offspring have fucked up and had to be bailed out, was that not socialism? To this day, the fed will straight up pay you not to farm. Just, "Hey, there are too many of you dipshits planting wheat like it's 1830. We really don't need more wheat. Just don't plant. We'll pay you not to plant so you fuckers don't drive the price of your blood, sweat, and tears so low that the crops are worth less than the dirt they were planted in. Do you think only mom and pops farmers take advantage of things like this? How many huge conglomerates do you think own subsidiaries who are taking advantage of this "not socialism"? Our country has only been a combination since the welfare state in the 60s. Sometimes I want to give you credit for being one of the more informed dudes here but you always seem to turn around and say some shit so stupid, I realize all that I want to give you credit for is just some shit you more than likely got from a facebook post. Twitter. Some shit like that. That's why you love the cut and paste one liners. Facebook "knowledge" often comes in very cut & paste-able quotes and one liners.

    I still appreciate you, bro. You're not a racist in my book. You're a realist. You miss the mark sometimes though.

     
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    The last thing i'll say before wrapping up my shit is that the whimsical, fairytale version of capitalism we are often sold has not been the way our country has been structured for quite some time. And maybe it was never actually that way. The "this country was built on capitalism..." rhetoric is horseshit. We don't live in a capitalist society, nor a true hybrid system. We live in an oligarchy.

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    The last thing i'll say before wrapping up my shit is that the whimsical, fairytale version of capitalism we are often sold has not been the way our country has been structured for quite some time. And maybe it was never actually that way. The "this country was built on capitalism..." rhetoric is horseshit. We don't live in a capitalist society, nor a true hybrid system. We live in an oligarchy.

     
     
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    I would argue that the homestead act was basically the opposite of socialism. 

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