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    SCOPE of Mueller's investigation - see what I posted on 7/5

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    Posted: Jul. 23, 2017 - 8:51 PM ET #1

    "Much to Donald Trump’s chagrin, what started as a federal probe into Russia’s interference in the 2016 election has snowballed into a wide-ranging investigation that has reached his and his associates’ financial transactions. The President and his outside legal team now are forcefully arguing that special counsel Robert Mueller is overreaching and that his investigation should be strictly focused on Russia."(July 21)

    This is major news this week.  Especially if you continue to buy the "witch hunt" narrative.  
     Here's what I posted on July 5th:


    Mueller's original scope was russian meddling in our election. When additional evidence came up beyond this scope (i.e. Racketeering), FBI agents no doubt reported their findings. Typically a new scope gets opened and such investigations drag on. That's the nature of such undertakings whether it be watergate or the IRS investigating a random individual for tax evasion. 
    Although collusion was the entry pathway to the investigation it may not be the charge that will be most problematic to trump.


    Bottom line- trump is completely miscast in this role. You can't have his background and work for the Feds.  This is not an anti trump post. This is reality and the news this week about opening new scopes was bound to happen given his past history. Obvious this was coming. 
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    "Much to Donald Trump’s chagrin, what started as a federal probe into Russia’s interference in the 2016 election has snowballed into a wide-ranging investigation that has reached his and his associates’ financial transactions. The President and his outside legal team now are forcefully arguing that special counsel Robert Mueller is overreaching and that his investigation should be strictly focused on Russia."(July 21)

    This is major news this week.  Especially if you continue to buy the "witch hunt" narrative.  
     Here's what I posted on July 5th:


    Mueller's original scope was russian meddling in our election. When additional evidence came up beyond this scope (i.e. Racketeering), FBI agents no doubt reported their findings. Typically a new scope gets opened and such investigations drag on. That's the nature of such undertakings whether it be watergate or the IRS investigating a random individual for tax evasion. 
    Although collusion was the entry pathway to the investigation it may not be the charge that will be most problematic to trump.


    Bottom line- trump is completely miscast in this role. You can't have his background and work for the Feds.  This is not an anti trump post. This is reality and the news this week about opening new scopes was bound to happen given his past history. Obvious this was coming. 
     
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    Posted: Jul. 23, 2017 - 9:20 PM ET #2

    Good call....

    Donnie Boy crapped his britches when he heard Mueller was looking into his past taxes. There are a few lawsuits requesting his tax info as well.

    Today he tweeted how Republicans weren't supporting him. Grow a pair big shot!

    BTW...How's that wall coming along President Lyin King?
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    Good call....

    Donnie Boy crapped his britches when he heard Mueller was looking into his past taxes. There are a few lawsuits requesting his tax info as well.

    Today he tweeted how Republicans weren't supporting him. Grow a pair big shot!

    BTW...How's that wall coming along President Lyin King?
     
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    Posted: Jul. 23, 2017 - 9:40 PM ET #3

    The Obama's meddling garbage is already starting...people throwing around "poor Trump" and the liberal witch hunt via Mueller's past.

    I dont agree with the "constitutional protection of secrecy" in this case. I think if there is reason to investigate, hiding in secret is no better than having it dug out and exposed.

    I think the Trump group is pretty smart, they have decades of history sliming around so I would not be shocked if a few of his team were doing some acts which broke the law...but I guess we will see.


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    The Obama's meddling garbage is already starting...people throwing around "poor Trump" and the liberal witch hunt via Mueller's past.

    I dont agree with the "constitutional protection of secrecy" in this case. I think if there is reason to investigate, hiding in secret is no better than having it dug out and exposed.

    I think the Trump group is pretty smart, they have decades of history sliming around so I would not be shocked if a few of his team were doing some acts which broke the law...but I guess we will see.


     
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    Posted: Jul. 23, 2017 - 10:05 PM ET #4

    spin from the WH coming:
    Overreach of scope
    Witch hunt
    Unlimited Hillary whataboutism
    Mueller's team donates to democrats
    Mueller friendly with Comey , etc.

    Sure I'm missing more. Let the facts and justice and truth prevail.
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    spin from the WH coming:
    Overreach of scope
    Witch hunt
    Unlimited Hillary whataboutism
    Mueller's team donates to democrats
    Mueller friendly with Comey , etc.

    Sure I'm missing more. Let the facts and justice and truth prevail.
     
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    Attorney General Sessions should not have recused himself... it was premature and unnecessary..as a result Deputy AG Rod Rosenstein gave special counsel Robert Mueller too much latitude. ..

    Special prosecutors are appointed in order to investigate a known crime, not to search for the possibility of a crime.



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    Attorney General Sessions should not have recused himself... it was premature and unnecessary..as a result Deputy AG Rod Rosenstein gave special counsel Robert Mueller too much latitude. ..

    Special prosecutors are appointed in order to investigate a known crime, not to search for the possibility of a crime.



     
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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    The Obama's meddling garbage is already starting...people throwing around "poor Trump" and the liberal witch hunt via Mueller's past.

    I dont agree with the "constitutional protection of secrecy" in this case. I think if there is reason to investigate, hiding in secret is no better than having it dug out and exposed.

    I think the Trump group is pretty smart, they have decades of history sliming around so I would not be shocked if a few of his team were doing some acts which broke the law...but I guess we will see.


    Enjoy your nothing burger.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    The Obama's meddling garbage is already starting...people throwing around "poor Trump" and the liberal witch hunt via Mueller's past.

    I dont agree with the "constitutional protection of secrecy" in this case. I think if there is reason to investigate, hiding in secret is no better than having it dug out and exposed.

    I think the Trump group is pretty smart, they have decades of history sliming around so I would not be shocked if a few of his team were doing some acts which broke the law...but I guess we will see.


    Enjoy your nothing burger.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 24, 2017 - 8:01 AM ET #7

    Don the Pedophile Trump is in panic mode ...Already worried about Pardons 

    Mueller as any investigator knows = FOLLOW THE MONEY $$$$$


    These idiots trying to discredit Mueller =    YOU or I committing numerous felonies and telling the Police since they don't belong to the same church , they can't investigate US ......

    This is going to end really bad


    BEST OF HEALTH, HAPPINESS,WEALTH, BLESSINGS and LUCK TO ALL !!
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    Don the Pedophile Trump is in panic mode ...Already worried about Pardons 

    Mueller as any investigator knows = FOLLOW THE MONEY $$$$$


    These idiots trying to discredit Mueller =    YOU or I committing numerous felonies and telling the Police since they don't belong to the same church , they can't investigate US ......

    This is going to end really bad


     
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    Posted: Jul. 24, 2017 - 11:29 AM ET #8

    Investigations may last years with risk of new ones emerging.  Afterall, Trump has a extensive history of legal problems.  Overwhelming majority of Congress has imposed a bill of sanctions on Russia for interference in US election and agression against neighbours.  White house is expected to accept bill.  Apparently, Russia is lumped together with Iran and North Korea.
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    Investigations may last years with risk of new ones emerging.  Afterall, Trump has a extensive history of legal problems.  Overwhelming majority of Congress has imposed a bill of sanctions on Russia for interference in US election and agression against neighbours.  White house is expected to accept bill.  Apparently, Russia is lumped together with Iran and North Korea.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:

    Attorney General Sessions should not have recused himself... it was premature and unnecessary..as a result Deputy AG Rod Rosenstein gave special counsel Robert Mueller too much latitude. ..

    Special prosecutors are appointed in order to investigate a known crime, not to search for the possibility of a crime.




    Once again you are wrong in your definition of the special prosecutor's role. 

    "In the United States, a special prosecutor (or special counsel or independent counsel) is a lawyer appointed to investigate, and potentially prosecute, a particular case of suspected wrongdoing for which a conflict of interest exists for the usual prosecuting authority."

    Commander in Tweet has thrown Sessions under the bus exactly where that little twerp belongs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:

    Attorney General Sessions should not have recused himself... it was premature and unnecessary..as a result Deputy AG Rod Rosenstein gave special counsel Robert Mueller too much latitude. ..

    Special prosecutors are appointed in order to investigate a known crime, not to search for the possibility of a crime.




    Once again you are wrong in your definition of the special prosecutor's role. 

    "In the United States, a special prosecutor (or special counsel or independent counsel) is a lawyer appointed to investigate, and potentially prosecute, a particular case of suspected wrongdoing for which a conflict of interest exists for the usual prosecuting authority."

    Commander in Tweet has thrown Sessions under the bus exactly where that little twerp belongs.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 24, 2017 - 7:16 PM ET #10

    Spot on midnight.  This is how it works...... if an IRS agent is invegtigating a citizen for tax evasion and comes across evidence of sex trafficking, he or she will refer to the FBI because its not in the SCOPE of the IRS investigation. This is how the federal investigatory agencies work.  Just because sex trafficking wasn't the original scope doesn't mean that charge is off the table.

    This was bound to happen with Trump. He is simply MISCAST in this role. He had the right message to get elected but is the wrong character for the part. This is very hard for RW and Trump fans to accept.  I'm sorry but "what about " Hillary is not a valid defense in the court of law. 
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    Spot on midnight.  This is how it works...... if an IRS agent is invegtigating a citizen for tax evasion and comes across evidence of sex trafficking, he or she will refer to the FBI because its not in the SCOPE of the IRS investigation. This is how the federal investigatory agencies work.  Just because sex trafficking wasn't the original scope doesn't mean that charge is off the table.

    This was bound to happen with Trump. He is simply MISCAST in this role. He had the right message to get elected but is the wrong character for the part. This is very hard for RW and Trump fans to accept.  I'm sorry but "what about " Hillary is not a valid defense in the court of law. 
     
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    Posted: Aug. 7, 2018 - 10:55 PM ET #11

    Bumping this thread from July 2017

    I guess some folks had some pretty decent foresight. (Hint: Not the ones posting about Trump/Russia being a nothing burger)

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    Bumping this thread from July 2017

    I guess some folks had some pretty decent foresight. (Hint: Not the ones posting about Trump/Russia being a nothing burger)

     
     
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    Posted: Aug. 8, 2018 - 6:51 PM ET #12

    faceoff...speaking of stupid, the phrase is "grasping at straws" not grabbing.

    Dumb dumb dumb

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    faceoff...speaking of stupid, the phrase is "grasping at straws" not grabbing.

    Dumb dumb dumb

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