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    bowlslit
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    Posted: Nov. 3, 2008 - 1:24 PM ET #1

    So I hear Obama stating that 90 or 99% of small business wont get taxes increased. After doing a little simple math it only takes 7 employees making 35,000 or more to hit that. 10 employees making 25,000.

    Not that I care deeply about lawyers but many law firms will raise their already ridiculous rates to cover the added burden they will face. Doctors as well will charge more. The consumer always gets the increase, its not the business.

    Maybe I'm  looking at it wrong and someone smart can help me understand.
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    So I hear Obama stating that 90 or 99% of small business wont get taxes increased. After doing a little simple math it only takes 7 employees making 35,000 or more to hit that. 10 employees making 25,000.

    Not that I care deeply about lawyers but many law firms will raise their already ridiculous rates to cover the added burden they will face. Doctors as well will charge more. The consumer always gets the increase, its not the business.

    Maybe I'm  looking at it wrong and someone smart can help me understand.
     
    GAM
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    Posted: Nov. 3, 2008 - 1:26 PM ET #2

    Oh right, I forgot payroll equals net income.

    Guess I should've stayed awake during my accounting classes in college.


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    Oh right, I forgot payroll equals net income.

    Guess I should've stayed awake during my accounting classes in college.


     
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    Posted: Nov. 3, 2008 - 1:27 PM ET #3

    I know that most doctors have already gotten massive pay cuts... and the rates will continue to drop.  Also with Obama's socialized healthcare plan I am sure there will be a limit on the amount doctor's can make in a year etc.  It will probably all be government controlled in the end
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    I know that most doctors have already gotten massive pay cuts... and the rates will continue to drop.  Also with Obama's socialized healthcare plan I am sure there will be a limit on the amount doctor's can make in a year etc.  It will probably all be government controlled in the end
     
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    Posted: Nov. 3, 2008 - 1:38 PM ET #4

    Obama '08
     
    Take from the haves, give to the have-nots
     
     
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    Obama '08
     
    Take from the haves, give to the have-nots
     
     
     
    FriedShrimp
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    Posted: Nov. 3, 2008 - 2:06 PM ET #5

    Actually, most law firms (around here anyway) have cancelled their Chistmas / Holiday parties this year because of the existing economy not future taxes.
     
     
     
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    Actually, most law firms (around here anyway) have cancelled their Chistmas / Holiday parties this year because of the existing economy not future taxes.
     
     
     
     
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    Posted: Nov. 3, 2008 - 2:09 PM ET #6

    Here's my economic opinion...........
     
    Lawyers (or really all businesses charge what they CAN charge.  Has nothing to do with their cost structure.
     
    Doctors are for the most part regulated by the insurance companies in regards to their fees unless they refuse insurance altogether which is the trend these days.
     
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    Here's my economic opinion...........
     
    Lawyers (or really all businesses charge what they CAN charge.  Has nothing to do with their cost structure.
     
    Doctors are for the most part regulated by the insurance companies in regards to their fees unless they refuse insurance altogether which is the trend these days.
     
     
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    Posted: Nov. 3, 2008 - 3:10 PM ET #7

    Quote Originally Posted by bowlslit:

    So I hear Obama stating that 90 or 99% of small business wont get taxes increased. After doing a little simple math it only takes 7 employees making 35,000 or more to hit that. 10 employees making 25,000.

    Not that I care deeply about lawyers but many law firms will raise their already ridiculous rates to cover the added burden they will face. Doctors as well will charge more. The consumer always gets the increase, its not the business.

    Maybe I'm  looking at it wrong and someone smart can help me understand.

     

    you have to pass a test to drive a car but any nitwit can vote

    for the most powerful position in the world- unreal

     

    businesses charge what people can afford to spend- if they cannot

    afford to spend 100 dollars but can afford to spend 60 then

    business will charge 60

    i really wish more people actually ran a business and then maybe

    they might actually understand how a business works- you seem

    to be listening to koaj and others too damn muchno wonder

    your logic is so warped

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    Quote Originally Posted by bowlslit:

    So I hear Obama stating that 90 or 99% of small business wont get taxes increased. After doing a little simple math it only takes 7 employees making 35,000 or more to hit that. 10 employees making 25,000.

    Not that I care deeply about lawyers but many law firms will raise their already ridiculous rates to cover the added burden they will face. Doctors as well will charge more. The consumer always gets the increase, its not the business.

    Maybe I'm  looking at it wrong and someone smart can help me understand.

     

    you have to pass a test to drive a car but any nitwit can vote

    for the most powerful position in the world- unreal

     

    businesses charge what people can afford to spend- if they cannot

    afford to spend 100 dollars but can afford to spend 60 then

    business will charge 60

    i really wish more people actually ran a business and then maybe

    they might actually understand how a business works- you seem

    to be listening to koaj and others too damn muchno wonder

    your logic is so warped

     
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    Posted: Nov. 3, 2008 - 3:48 PM ET #8

    Quote Originally Posted by mta6:

    businesses charge what people can afford to spend- if they cannot

    afford to spend 100 dollars but can afford to spend 60 then

    business will charge 60

    i really wish more people actually ran a business and then maybe

    they might actually understand how a business works- you seem

    to be listening to koaj and others too damn muchno wonder

    your logic is so warped

    You have to stop posting this crap.  You keep repeating this idiotic statement over and over again.  Businesses maximize profits.  They do not "charge what a customer can afford".

    Do you think most smokers can "afford" $3 a pack and that is why the retailers charge that?

    Were drivers suddenly flush with cash so gas stations decided to raise prices this summer to $4 because customers "could afford it"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mta6:

    businesses charge what people can afford to spend- if they cannot

    afford to spend 100 dollars but can afford to spend 60 then

    business will charge 60

    i really wish more people actually ran a business and then maybe

    they might actually understand how a business works- you seem

    to be listening to koaj and others too damn muchno wonder

    your logic is so warped

    You have to stop posting this crap.  You keep repeating this idiotic statement over and over again.  Businesses maximize profits.  They do not "charge what a customer can afford".

    Do you think most smokers can "afford" $3 a pack and that is why the retailers charge that?

    Were drivers suddenly flush with cash so gas stations decided to raise prices this summer to $4 because customers "could afford it"?

     
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    Posted: Nov. 3, 2008 - 3:51 PM ET #9

    So I hear Obama stating that 90 or 99% of small business wont get taxes increased. After doing a little simple math it only takes 7 employees making 35,000 or more to hit that. 10 employees making 25,000.

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    So I hear Obama stating that 90 or 99% of small business wont get taxes increased. After doing a little simple math it only takes 7 employees making 35,000 or more to hit that. 10 employees making 25,000.

     
    FriedShrimp
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    Posted: Nov. 3, 2008 - 4:04 PM ET #10

    Quote Originally Posted by HutchEmAll:

    So I hear Obama stating that 90 or 99% of small business wont get taxes increased. After doing a little simple math it only takes 7 employees making 35,000 or more to hit that. 10 employees making 25,000.

    Income Taxes are on "Net Profit"...... Not Gross Revenue or Gross Payroll.

     

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by HutchEmAll:

    So I hear Obama stating that 90 or 99% of small business wont get taxes increased. After doing a little simple math it only takes 7 employees making 35,000 or more to hit that. 10 employees making 25,000.

    Income Taxes are on "Net Profit"...... Not Gross Revenue or Gross Payroll.

     

     

     
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    Posted: Nov. 3, 2008 - 4:07 PM ET #11

    It's really insulting to see how the GOP suddenly started to embrace plumbers and small businesses all of a sudden though.  Two months ago, all they cared about was Big Oil.
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    It's really insulting to see how the GOP suddenly started to embrace plumbers and small businesses all of a sudden though.  Two months ago, all they cared about was Big Oil.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 3, 2008 - 4:10 PM ET #12

    Small businesses are struggling right now because of the recession.
     
    Taxes have nothing to do with it and the GOP has brainwashed their followers into thinking that taxes have ANYTHING to do with it.  Bear in mind, "income taxes" are only paid on profits.  Meanwhile, we got businesses & entire industries LOSING money so there are no taxes anyway........ Not a small business but the Airline & Auto business have not turned a profit in years.
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    Small businesses are struggling right now because of the recession.
     
    Taxes have nothing to do with it and the GOP has brainwashed their followers into thinking that taxes have ANYTHING to do with it.  Bear in mind, "income taxes" are only paid on profits.  Meanwhile, we got businesses & entire industries LOSING money so there are no taxes anyway........ Not a small business but the Airline & Auto business have not turned a profit in years.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 3, 2008 - 4:12 PM ET #13

    The Chinese are rolling in dough these days.  You think that has ANYTHING to do with taxes?
     
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    The Chinese are rolling in dough these days.  You think that has ANYTHING to do with taxes?
     
     
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    Posted: Nov. 3, 2008 - 4:14 PM ET #14

    I bet the Airline & Auto Industry would GLADLY pay a 70% tax rate.  Better than losing money.
     
     
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    I bet the Airline & Auto Industry would GLADLY pay a 70% tax rate.  Better than losing money.
     
     
     
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    Posted: Nov. 3, 2008 - 4:15 PM ET #15

    Shoot, I bet even Lehman Brothers, Bear Stearns, Merrill Lynch will pay any tax rate you can come up with.
     
    You guys know this but they are basically out of business.
     
    I guess that's considered "small potatoes" if the ENTIRE GOP PLATFORM is concentrated on 3% difference in tax rates.
     
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    Shoot, I bet even Lehman Brothers, Bear Stearns, Merrill Lynch will pay any tax rate you can come up with.
     
    You guys know this but they are basically out of business.
     
    I guess that's considered "small potatoes" if the ENTIRE GOP PLATFORM is concentrated on 3% difference in tax rates.
     
     
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    Posted: Nov. 3, 2008 - 4:19 PM ET #16

    Quote Originally Posted by Grego:

    You have to stop posting this crap.  You keep repeating this idiotic statement over and over again.  Businesses maximize profits.  They do not "charge what a customer can afford".

    Google "Price Elasticity"..... PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE

     

     

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grego:

    You have to stop posting this crap.  You keep repeating this idiotic statement over and over again.  Businesses maximize profits.  They do not "charge what a customer can afford".

    Google "Price Elasticity"..... PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE

     

     

     

     
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    Posted: Nov. 3, 2008 - 4:22 PM ET #17

    Sure, somebody might pay $5 for a bag of cheetos "One Time" but if they make the price too high, people won't go back.
     
     
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    Sure, somebody might pay $5 for a bag of cheetos "One Time" but if they make the price too high, people won't go back.
     
     
     
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    Posted: Nov. 3, 2008 - 4:28 PM ET #18

    There are a few instances where pricing is based on "cost plus" but they are few and far between anyway.
     
     
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    There are a few instances where pricing is based on "cost plus" but they are few and far between anyway.
     
     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grego:

    You have to stop posting this crap.  You keep repeating this idiotic statement over and over again.  Businesses maximize profits.  They do not "charge what a customer can afford".

    Do you think most smokers can "afford" $3 a pack and that is why the retailers charge that?

    Were drivers suddenly flush with cash so gas stations decided to raise prices this summer to $4 because customers "could afford it"?

     

    so what we are basically calling a necessity of life today with

    how are lives work and when the cost got to that point the

    demand side started to drop

    yes the consumer will pay what they can afford for what they

    need in life and as soon as it hits a certain point they stop

    purchasing it

    consumers buy what they can afford and what they feel is

    a reasonable price for that product- which will be higher for

    the products/services we deem as a priority in our life- to some

    a gallon of gasoline is a priority up till a certain point- to somebody

    else a pack of cigarettes is a priority up till a certain price point

    i have a product that people value at 10 dollars but i try to sell

    this product for 20 dollars guess how many i would sell? not many

    because the price does not equal the value of that product

     

    simple business economics

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grego:

    You have to stop posting this crap.  You keep repeating this idiotic statement over and over again.  Businesses maximize profits.  They do not "charge what a customer can afford".

    Do you think most smokers can "afford" $3 a pack and that is why the retailers charge that?

    Were drivers suddenly flush with cash so gas stations decided to raise prices this summer to $4 because customers "could afford it"?

     

    so what we are basically calling a necessity of life today with

    how are lives work and when the cost got to that point the

    demand side started to drop

    yes the consumer will pay what they can afford for what they

    need in life and as soon as it hits a certain point they stop

    purchasing it

    consumers buy what they can afford and what they feel is

    a reasonable price for that product- which will be higher for

    the products/services we deem as a priority in our life- to some

    a gallon of gasoline is a priority up till a certain point- to somebody

    else a pack of cigarettes is a priority up till a certain price point

    i have a product that people value at 10 dollars but i try to sell

    this product for 20 dollars guess how many i would sell? not many

    because the price does not equal the value of that product

     

    simple business economics

     
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    Posted: Nov. 3, 2008 - 6:29 PM ET #20

    HELLO mta and FriedShimp.  Thanks for helping make my point.
     
    If price goes to high, people will stop buying it. -- Correct
    If business cannot lower the price it asks because cost to make it (including taxes) does not allow them to lower price, guess what they STOP MAKING IT because there is no profit in it.
     
    Google --> LAYOFFS 
     
    Election 2008 - another reason we need to upgrade the American Education system. Our lacking education system has finally paid off for the Democrats.
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    HELLO mta and FriedShimp.  Thanks for helping make my point.
     
    If price goes to high, people will stop buying it. -- Correct
    If business cannot lower the price it asks because cost to make it (including taxes) does not allow them to lower price, guess what they STOP MAKING IT because there is no profit in it.
     
    Google --> LAYOFFS 
     
    Election 2008 - another reason we need to upgrade the American Education system. Our lacking education system has finally paid off for the Democrats.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 3, 2008 - 6:38 PM ET #21

    Election 2008 - another reason we need to upgrade the American Education system. Our lacking education system has finally paid off for the Democrats.

    EPIC. FAIL.

    I think you have it backwards.  Actually I know you have it backward. 

    The educated support Obama.  McCain, not so much...
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    61 Nobel Laureates in Science Endorse Obama

    A group of 61 Nobel Laureates have gotten together to endorse Barack Obama for President. Their letter and the signatories are below. This is the largest number of Nobel Laureates to ever endorse a candidate for office, more than endorsed either Gore or Kerry. (Kerry had 48 total.) That is a remarkable statement. Here is the link to the original letter of endorsement.


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    Election 2008 - another reason we need to upgrade the American Education system. Our lacking education system has finally paid off for the Democrats.

    EPIC. FAIL.

    I think you have it backwards.  Actually I know you have it backward. 

    The educated support Obama.  McCain, not so much...
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    61 Nobel Laureates in Science Endorse Obama

    A group of 61 Nobel Laureates have gotten together to endorse Barack Obama for President. Their letter and the signatories are below. This is the largest number of Nobel Laureates to ever endorse a candidate for office, more than endorsed either Gore or Kerry. (Kerry had 48 total.) That is a remarkable statement. Here is the link to the original letter of endorsement.


     
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    Posted: Nov. 3, 2008 - 7:23 PM ET #22

    Quote Originally Posted by Grego:

    HELLO mta and FriedShimp.  Thanks for helping make my point.
     
    If price goes to high, people will stop buying it. -- Correct
    If business cannot lower the price it asks because cost to make it (including taxes) does not allow them to lower price, guess what they STOP MAKING IT because there is no profit in it.
     
    Google --> LAYOFFS 
     
    Election 2008 - another reason we need to upgrade the American Education system. Our lacking education system has finally paid off for the Democrats.

    If a businesses survival depends on a difference of 3% taxes on Net Profit (aka the same taxes during the Clinton Administrtion) either they are in the wrong business or need better management.

     

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grego:

    HELLO mta and FriedShimp.  Thanks for helping make my point.
     
    If price goes to high, people will stop buying it. -- Correct
    If business cannot lower the price it asks because cost to make it (including taxes) does not allow them to lower price, guess what they STOP MAKING IT because there is no profit in it.
     
    Google --> LAYOFFS 
     
    Election 2008 - another reason we need to upgrade the American Education system. Our lacking education system has finally paid off for the Democrats.

    If a businesses survival depends on a difference of 3% taxes on Net Profit (aka the same taxes during the Clinton Administrtion) either they are in the wrong business or need better management.

     

     

     
    boogreenz
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    Posted: Nov. 3, 2008 - 11:45 PM ET #23

    Who cares that the Financial Times and The Economist have endorsed Obama, those are just rags anyway. 
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    Who cares that the Financial Times and The Economist have endorsed Obama, those are just rags anyway. 
     
    SecondAgain
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    Posted: Nov. 3, 2008 - 11:53 PM ET #24

    liberal rags


    just like the time 69Mets called the dictionary was a liberal rag because it proved him wrong that a word was in the english language
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    liberal rags


    just like the time 69Mets called the dictionary was a liberal rag because it proved him wrong that a word was in the english language
     
     
    Paulsy
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    Posted: Nov. 4, 2008 - 12:10 AM ET #25

    you just can't let go of him
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    you just can't let go of him
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