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....who collaborates with the 'enemy' and has secret dealings with the former head of the KGB and secrets can get out in the media via the king of the world media in Rupert Murdoch if loose lips sink ships by the President?.....and we all know that the Republican leader has loose lips and no allegiances to America perse by the way he talks and the lack of information he does not digest as a potential next president.......remember this, right now, he is likely reading the same secret info that Obama gets in his daily/nightly briefs and his daughter is cavorting with the other side?....have a look for yourself. I wonder how the true right wingers feel about this? And, Trumps 'new' campaign manager is a Russian operative? Cmon people, the whole Trump for presidency is a ruse because this would not be happening if things were being done 'normally' for a serious candidate. Trump is out to ruin the Repub party and entrench the Democrats in Washington for years! And, many of you bought it!

https://www.dailynewsbin.com/news/amid-russian-payoff-scandal-donald-trumps-daughter-goes-on-vacation-with-putins-girlfriend/25663/

Now, ask yourself, why would Ivanka snap and post a photo of such a relationship worldwide without either Trumps or Putins approval?..........because the joke is on you if you think the Trump(s) have their best interests in you as a Republican and America in general. This is all about a continuation of the seedy little underworld of glitterati politics and relations .......in the meantime, Trump wants to pull out of NATO to Putins benefit? So we go after Muslims and spend trillions while future presidents will have to shore up and undue the harm that Putin will cause in Europe in general as a nation.......this is the equivalent of the U.S. cozying up to China too! Wow! This is too funny.......
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I am a Trump supporter merely because I hate Hillary. Have you bothered to do any research on her or her hubby?

What do you think she represents?

Recent NBC poll 11% feel she is honest and trustworthy. Not a Fox poll.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Last2thirst:

....who collaborates with the 'enemy' and has secret dealings with the former head of the KGB and secrets can get out in the media via the king of the world media in Rupert Murdoch if loose lips sink ships by the President?.....and we all know that the Republican leader has loose lips and no allegiances to America perse by the way he talks and the lack of information he does not digest as a potential next president.......remember this, right now, he is likely reading the same secret info that Obama gets in his daily/nightly briefs and his daughter is cavorting with the other side? PENTAGON BRIEFINGS BEGIN TODAY!!!! SCARY TO KNOW TRUMP IS NOW GOING TO BLAB SECRETS TRAITOROUSLY(lets hope not)...have a look for yourself. I wonder how the true right wingers feel about this? And, Trumps 'new' campaign manager is a Russian operative? Cmon people, the whole Trump for presidency is a ruse because this would not be happening if things were being done 'normally' for a serious candidate. Trump is out to ruin the Repub party and entrench the Democrats in Washington for years! And, many of you bought it!

https://www.dailynewsbin.com/news/amid-russian-payoff-scandal-donald-trumps-daughter-goes-on-vacation-with-putins-girlfriend/25663/

Now, ask yourself, why would Ivanka snap and post a photo of such a relationship worldwide without either Trumps or Putins approval?..........because the joke is on you if you think the Trump(s) have their best interests in you as a Republican and America in general. This is all about a continuation of the seedy little underworld of glitterati politics and relations .......in the meantime, Trump wants to pull out of NATO to Putins benefit? So we go after Muslims and spend trillions while future presidents will have to shore up and undue the harm that Putin will cause in Europe in general as a nation.......this is the equivalent of the U.S. cozying up to China too! Wow! This is too funny.......
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I am a Trump supporter merely because I hate Hillary. Have you bothered to do any research on her or her hubby?

What do you think she represents?

Recent NBC poll 11% feel she is honest and trustworthy. Not a Fox poll.

Lets stay on subject here.....what I am posting is about Trump. Hillary has not proven to be erratic unless you should post back to me alarming info to convince me. I am centrist which means I could vote Repub or Demo but it just depends on the person most importantly. Hillary has a history of kindness and service to people but is not perfect. Trump has a history of blabbing, firing, business shenanigans......to me the issue is protecting America from harming itself. Trump would do much more harm himself and create more unrest in our country for 4 yrs than Hillary. Besides, we need to get America working again and if we close borders, shut out relations with those that wish to debate ethics which Trump has no time for, then we all stand to lose from lost business. You cant increase your GDP per capita or wealth potential when you close your borders and harm trade relations. U.S.A. cant be successful on its own.......no country can.
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Quote Originally Posted by Last2thirst:


Lets stay on subject here.....what I am posting is about Trump. Hillary has not proven to be erratic unless you should post back to me alarming info to convince me. I am centrist which means I could vote Repub or Demo but it just depends on the person most importantly. Hillary has a history of kindness and service to people but is not perfect. Trump has a history of blabbing, firing, business shenanigans......to me the issue is protecting America from harming itself. Trump would do much more harm himself and create more unrest in our country for 4 yrs than Hillary. Besides, we need to get America working again and if we close borders, shut out relations with those that wish to debate ethics which Trump has no time for, then we all stand to lose from lost business. You cant increase your GDP per capita or wealth potential when you close your borders and harm trade relations. U.S.A. cant be successful on its own.......no country can.

Smh! What are you talking about? Closed borders and Trade relations are two separate issues. Hello!

I wish we could ask Vince Foster if she was always nice to him. We can't because he's dead from supposedly sucking on a pistol yet his eardrums were not blown out. Not normal under the circumstances.

Looks like you cherry pick your information so it's a waste of time to debate anything with you. You are not a centrist by the way.

Google Jerry Zeifman and then report back what you find out.

Trump speaks loudly but carrys a tiny stick, Hillary speaks softly but people mysteriously end up dead...

Justify that please!
 
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Enemy? Didn't Obama mock Romney that the 1980's were calling to get their foreign policy back when Romney said Russia was a threat?

Didn't Hillary facilitate the sale of uranium to the "enemy" and receive contributions from Russians to the Clinton foundation?

There are many MANY flaws with Trump but calling him out for being in Russia's pocket is hypocritical when clearly both sides are for sale.


 
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Lol...  You see the white flag being waved that trump is unelectable because if he was his supporters would simply give us the reason why we should vote for him... But they can't because they are basically admitting and displaying to everyone that they know he is unelectable... If they could give rational and logica reasons to vote trump they would...

But they can't so.... Lol

So we here is about Hillary which is proving to be a failed strategy... Bashing Hillary as a personal indulgence like bashing Obama is the exact formula to March a candidate into the White House...  At least that is what the reality of the numbers and polls are showing us... And history... 

Lemmings fail to grasp this idea that no matter how bad Hillary looks, she can't look worse than trump who is The Worst Presidential Candidtae Ever... No matter how much Hillary mudslinging goes on at worst she will be the second worst presidential candidate ever and walk unscathed right into being the president...

The only way for trump to win is to elevate trump by talking about his positives and the reasons to vote for him independent of Hillary...  But when you have The Worst Presidential Candidate Ever, I think the GOP know that there is nothing to showcase or offer and in fact the more we learn about trump, the less people will vote for him.  So hide those tax records and deflect and evade every discussion to Hillary bashing...   It only confirms what I'm thinking GOP's know and everyone else is figuring out...  They have been duped by...

Donald trump The Worst Presidential Candidate Ever

And their failed waving the white flag only shows a lack of confidence in what they are basically admitting is a sorry excuse for candidate and a republican... Republicans deserve better than this 



 
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So what are you saying DL36 that I should just vote for Hillary because I think Trump has a few flaws? 

But, but I think Hillary has far more flaws than him.

Seems like you are the parrot who is out of touch.


 
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Lets stay on subject here.....what I am posting is about Trump.

That's tremendous.  At least your honest. 

"The purpose of my prior semi-informed rant was to dump all over Donald Trump.  Even though there are only two people who can possibly win this election, your attempt to interject comments regarding the person who will win if Mr. Trump loses have nothing whatsoever to do with what I'm saying."


 
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Quote Originally Posted by dl36:

Lol...  You see the white flag being waved that trump is unelectable because if he was his supporters would simply give us the reason why we should vote for him... But they can't because they are basically admitting and displaying to everyone that they know he is unelectable... If they could give rational and logica reasons to vote trump they would...

But they can't so.... Lol

So we here is about Hillary which is proving to be a failed strategy... Bashing Hillary as a personal indulgence like bashing Obama is the exact formula to March a candidate into the White House...  At least that is what the reality of the numbers and polls are showing us... And history... 

Lemmings fail to grasp this idea that no matter how bad Hillary looks, she can't look worse than trump who is The Worst Presidential Candidtae Ever... No matter how much Hillary mudslinging goes on at worst she will be the second worst presidential candidate ever and walk unscathed right into being the president...

The only way for trump to win is to elevate trump by talking about his positives and the reasons to vote for him independent of Hillary...  But when you have The Worst Presidential Candidate Ever, I think the GOP know that there is nothing to showcase or offer and in fact the more we learn about trump, the less people will vote for him.  So hide those tax records and deflect and evade every discussion to Hillary bashing...   It only confirms what I'm thinking GOP's know and everyone else is figuring out...  They have been duped by...

Donald trump The Worst Presidential Candidate Ever

And their failed waving the white flag only shows a lack of confidence in what they are basically admitting is a sorry excuse for candidate and a republican... Republicans deserve better than this 


I won't break this post down, because it would take me all day, so I will simply surmise ...

If your argument is that the only thing Trump supporters can do in support of their candidate is to speak negatively about HRC, perhaps you can stop bashing Trump and his supporters for one second and explain why HRC's track record would suggest she will be a good POTUS 

You seem to do exactly what you accuse the Trumpers of doing.
That also happens to be the exact same thing that HRC's supporters do ... bash Trump.

The truth is that the best argument than can be made for either candidate is simply that they are not the other candidate.
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BTW, DL, I'm not attacking you.

You have been writing many posts, so I'm replying to yours.

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Quote Originally Posted by dl36:

Lol...  You see the white flag being waved that trump is unelectable because if he was his supporters would simply give us the reason why we should vote for him... But they can't because they are basically admitting and displaying to everyone that they know he is unelectable... If they could give rational and logica reasons to vote trump they would...But they can't so.... LolSo we here is about Hillary which is proving to be a failed strategy... Bashing Hillary as a personal indulgence like bashing Obama is the exact formula to March a candidate into the White House...  At least that is what the reality of the numbers and polls are showing us... And history... Lemmings fail to grasp this idea that no matter how bad Hillary looks, she can't look worse than trump who is The Worst Presidential Candidtae Ever... No matter how much Hillary mudslinging goes on at worst she will be the second worst presidential candidate ever and walk unscathed right into being the president...The only way for trump to win is to elevate trump by talking about his positives and the reasons to vote for him independent of Hillary...  But when you have The Worst Presidential Candidate Ever, I think the GOP know that there is nothing to showcase or offer and in fact the more we learn about trump, the less people will vote for him.  So hide those tax records and deflect and evade every discussion to Hillary bashing...   It only confirms what I'm thinking GOP's know and everyone else is figuring out...  They have been duped by...Donald trump The Worst Presidential Candidate EverAnd their failed waving the white flag only shows a lack of confidence in what they are basically admitting is a sorry excuse for candidate and a republican... Republicans deserve better than this 
I won't break this post down, because it would take me all day, so I will simply surmise ...If your argument is that the only thing Trump supporters can do in support of their candidate is to speak negatively about HRC, perhaps you can stop bashing Trump and his supporters for one second and explain why HRC's track record would suggest she will be a good POTUS You seem to do exactly what you accuse the Trumpers of doing.That also happens to be the exact same thing that HRC's supporters do ... bash Trump.The truth is that the best argument than can be made for either candidate is simply that they are not the other candidate.Sad, but true

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Quote Originally Posted by Hugh_Jorgan:

BTW, DL, I'm not attacking you.

You have been writing many posts, so I'm replying to yours.

No offense intended 


I don't feel offended at all... You are not engaging in the usual name calling, lies, insults and craziness I see when people are stumped and can't give an intelligent response...

The reality is that I am antihillary, was in 2008, was after that, and I am now... I've made it very clear numerous times that I wanted Rubio or kasich and would settle for Cruz because they all could have beaten Hillary... Trump cannot, so why would I support a candidate that would march Hillary into the White House?  

Now consider this... Dems are in a different position than GOP's in the polls and the the reality of their candidates... So to say that it's not fair that one side is doing something and the other isn't, doesn't work... It's like in sports where the team that is losing often has to employ a different strategy to win than the team that is winning.  Like in hockey when they go no goalie because it's a desperate  situation...  It would be stupid for the winning team and losing team to employ the exact same strategy... 

The GOP are playing this completely wrong from a strategic stand point and have been for much of the 21st century and now their party is in complete shambles with trump hijacking it as the Biggest and Most Sucessful Ino Ever...

And once again as someone that will not vote for Hillary, bashing her more does not make me want to vote for trump.  And the fact that the trump supporters themselves have nothing in their playbook beyond that is very telling... The only way to win is to elevate trump over Clinton with positives...

Let's see how the GOP  strategy of bashing Hillary only works in the end and We will see who is right 

 
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Let's see how the GOP  strategy of bashing Hillary only works in the end and We will see who is right 


It's not a matter of who is right.
You may have misunderstood what I wrote.

I merely pointed out that what you correctly pointed out as the Trump supporters doing, both you and the HRC supporters do the exact same thing. That is harp on the other sides negatives.

IMO, there is no GOP strategy which can stop HRC from winning in November.
Much of that has to do with the candidate the GOP primary voters put forth.
Much of it has to do with the media's harboring of Trump negatives, while glossing over HRC's negatives.

Also, one of your go to words is 'lemming'.
Are democrats any less of lemmings than the republicans?
I would argue not 
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I would argue that some dems are even bigger lemmings than GOP's... And some GOP's are even bigger lemmings than dems...

Also if you watch my posting style I'm often not bashing trump as much as I am simply pointing out the lemming like logic behind those that are supporting trump... 

Two different things...  In fact on this thread the only thing resembling me bashing trump is calling him the worst presidential candidate ever... And if Hillary as bad as she is destroys him, based on voting numbers that might be hard to argue...  But I said that to comment on the poor choice of strategy being employed... So if anything I'm not bashing per se, I am simply pointing out that his strategy with Obama marched him into the White House twice and now they are doing it again..
 
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Quote Originally Posted by bowlslit:

So what are you saying DL36 that I should just vote for Hillary because I think Trump has a few flaws? 

But, but I think Hillary has far more flaws than him.

Seems like you are the parrot who is out of touch.



No read everything I posted on this thread... I am saying that is a Failed strategy historically and I am predicting that it will be again... 

It's simple marketing...  If you want someone to buy your product you need to showcase your product to get the person to buy..  If you just bash the competition, it doesn't make you want to buy your product.. In fact it makes you to want buy neither product... 

And who exactly am I parotting with this Independent thought?

You say trump has a few flaws?  Name your top 3?
 
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No read everything I posted on this thread... I am saying that is a Failed strategy historically and I am predicting that it will be again... 

It's simple marketing...  If you want someone to buy your product you need to showcase your product to get the person to buy..  If you just bash the competition, it doesn't make you want to buy your product.. In fact it makes you to want buy neither product... 

And who exactly am I parotting with this Independent thought?

You say trump has a few flaws?  Name your top 3?


1. Trump has a bully mentality
2. He is almost completely surrounded by 'yes' men.
3. He speaks his mind without thoroughly thinking things through.

Unlike Hillary, he does have redeeming qualities.

He demands respect because of his accomplishments no matter what people say. Many people have been given a head start like he has and few have materialized as much as he has.

He has helped people financially without the need to publicize it.

He isn't bought by special interest.
The liberal media hates him so that must be a good quality.

If he is elected he won't be coddled by the mainstream media.

If the GOP is really fractured as you say...it will be fully repaired by the time 8 years comes along and it will be stronger and better than ever.

I think you're wrong in your full assessment of the GOP.

You don't give any credence to the sheer difficulty to overcome the size of the liberal party.

Dems have done a bang up job of tricking minorities that republicans hate them. They've also done a good job of tricking YOU low information people into thinking the republicans are racist and sexist despite the history that proves otherwise.

The way the electoral college is set up you almost have to have a perfect storm so to speak to get a conservative in the white house. Example being a Democratic President that shoves a cigar up a young girls hooch in the Oval Office combined with him offering his lollypop up to semi good looking female state employees in a fancy hotel room.

Without a sort of backlash against the Democrats from the sheep, it is very difficult to get the swing states to come through for the GOP.

So it isn't so much as a failed strategy, it is a lack of backlash.


 
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1. Trump has a bully mentality
2. He is almost completely surrounded by 'yes' men.
3. He speaks his mind without thoroughly thinking things through.

Maybe that's why you thought he was a democrat DL36.

 
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I like your second post.. It answered my question... I didn't even read your first post as soon as you went off topic...

1. So why is a trump's bully mentality a bad thing for America?

2.  What is the problem with trump choosing to surround himself with yes men?  Personally I would think considering he has no experience he would choose not to do that, but why would that be bad for America?

3. As a non-partisan independent I don't really subscribe a trait only to one party... So that is not why I would think he is a democrat... Plus I do not think he is a democrat, trump is an indepdent who is not a policitican...  He is not a democrat...  But I would believe that based on his history and how his candidacy is going that he is a close personal friend of the clintons and would play things out to help them and at the same time honestly dislike and oppose Obama...  I know that trump as an independent must mystify and confuse you like independent thinkers do on this site... 

So finally why is speaking his mind without the thoroughly thinking things through bad for America?




 
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babies are not allowed to be president.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYoOPgeTMQc

^ made in china.

if he is not qualified to join the war. hes not qualified to be commander in chief. 'mentally unfit' was his medical excuse.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by dl36:

I like your second post.. It answered my question... I didn't even read your first post as soon as you went off topic...

1. So why is a trump's bully mentality a bad thing for America?

2.  What is the problem with trump choosing to surround himself with yes men?  Personally I would think considering he has no experience he would choose not to do that, but why would that be bad for America?

3. As a non-partisan independent I don't really subscribe a trait only to one party... So that is not why I would think he is a democrat... Plus I do not think he is a democrat, trump is an indepdent who is not a policitican...  He is not a democrat...  But I would believe that based on his history and how his candidacy is going that he is a close personal friend of the clintons and would play things out to help them and at the same time honestly dislike and oppose Obama...  I know that trump as an independent must mystify and confuse you like independent thinkers do on this site... 

So finally why is speaking his mind without the thoroughly thinking things through bad for America?





If you stopped reading how did you know it went off topic?

I don't need to answer your follow up questions. I think Hillary is way worse than he is. Plus we need a shake up of the establishment and Trump is the only path to that end.

Too bad you babies can't understand that.

Hillary is a wolf in sheeps clothing. Bottom line.
 
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As soon as you said u like Hillary I sipped reading because you went off topic.

I am trying to have and civil and intelligent dialog  with out the jabs or insults and you are both refusing to answer my questions and have a civil and intelligent disucssion and at the same time refraining from your onslaught of constant jans and insults that you do all the time.

I don't get why you come here if all you aren't willing to have a civil and intelligent discussion
 
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Sorry as soon as you said: unlike Hillary, I stopped reading because you went off topic...


I never said that u like Hillary... Bad typo 
 
 
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Fair enough DL I've tried having genuine back and forth with you before but you start playing stupid games when you get exposed. 

You're so eager to see me say something wrong that you often pile on before you checked out if they are correct..

Would love to see you stop with your games. I promise to stop my crap but only as long as you stop yours.

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