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    Still no *PROOF* of alleged "widespread voter fraud" or a "rigged election"

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    Posted: Dec. 10, 2020 - 3:54 PM ET #76

    REPUBLICAN Senator from Texas, Jon Cornyn stated Wednesday:

    "I read just the summary of it, and I frankly struggle to understand
    the legal theory of it. Number one, why would a state, even such a
    great state as Texas, have a say so on how other states administer
    their elections?? We have a diffused and dispersed system and even
    though we might not like it, they may THINK it's unfair ... those are
    decided at the state and local level and not at the national level.
    So it's an interesting theory, but I'm not convinced."

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    REPUBLICAN Senator from Texas, Jon Cornyn stated Wednesday:

    "I read just the summary of it, and I frankly struggle to understand
    the legal theory of it. Number one, why would a state, even such a
    great state as Texas, have a say so on how other states administer
    their elections?? We have a diffused and dispersed system and even
    though we might not like it, they may THINK it's unfair ... those are
    decided at the state and local level and not at the national level.
    So it's an interesting theory, but I'm not convinced."

     
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    Posted: Dec. 10, 2020 - 4:07 PM ET #77

    Why this Texas 'election fraud' lawsuit
    is a total and complete joke!

    Chris Cillizza
    Here's why: Legally, Texas has zero legal standing to challenge how other states
    conduct their elections. Elections -- including ones for federal offices -- are solely
    the purview of individual states.

    Reply

    Why this Texas 'election fraud' lawsuit
    is a total and complete joke!

    Chris Cillizza
    Here's why: Legally, Texas has zero legal standing to challenge how other states
    conduct their elections. Elections -- including ones for federal offices -- are solely
    the purview of individual states.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 10, 2020 - 4:21 PM ET #78

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Why this Texas 'election fraud' lawsuit
    is a total and complete joke!

    Chris Cillizza
    Here's why: Legally, Texas has zero legal standing to challenge how other states
    conduct their elections. Elections -- including ones for federal offices -- are solely
    the purview of individual states.

    States set the hour that their polling places will be open.
    They decide whether or not a voter is required to show a form of legal identification
    in order to cast the ballot. They decide on what dates their primaries will be held.
    And yes, they get to decide -- as many states did in the face of the trump's pandemic
    -- whether or not to expand mail-in balloting!!!

    ( It's also worth noting that Paxton's lawsuit runs directly counter
    to the long-held Republican belief that states, not the federal government,
    should have broad jurisdiction over how they conduct THEIR OWN AFFAIRS!)

    Reply

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Why this Texas 'election fraud' lawsuit
    is a total and complete joke!

    Chris Cillizza
    Here's why: Legally, Texas has zero legal standing to challenge how other states
    conduct their elections. Elections -- including ones for federal offices -- are solely
    the purview of individual states.

    States set the hour that their polling places will be open.
    They decide whether or not a voter is required to show a form of legal identification
    in order to cast the ballot. They decide on what dates their primaries will be held.
    And yes, they get to decide -- as many states did in the face of the trump's pandemic
    -- whether or not to expand mail-in balloting!!!

    ( It's also worth noting that Paxton's lawsuit runs directly counter
    to the long-held Republican belief that states, not the federal government,
    should have broad jurisdiction over how they conduct THEIR OWN AFFAIRS!)

     
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    Posted: Dec. 10, 2020 - 4:24 PM ET #79

    There is NO way SCOTUS is going to get involved in this sort of lawsuit.

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    There is NO way SCOTUS is going to get involved in this sort of lawsuit.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 10, 2020 - 4:29 PM ET #80

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Why this Texas 'election fraud' lawsuit
    is a total and complete joke!

    ( It's also worth noting that Paxton's lawsuit runs directly counter to the long-held Republican belief that states, not the federal government, should have broad jurisdiction over how they conduct THEIR OWN AFFAIRS!)

     

    As Andrew C. McCarthy, writing in the *CONSERVATIVE* National Review, put it:
    "The justices are not going to have the slightest interest in entertaining
    a sprawling lawsuit brought by an unaffected third-party state — one that,
    if Texas got its way, would forevermore thrust the Supreme Court into
    the thick of electoral politics."

    Reply

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Why this Texas 'election fraud' lawsuit
    is a total and complete joke!

    ( It's also worth noting that Paxton's lawsuit runs directly counter to the long-held Republican belief that states, not the federal government, should have broad jurisdiction over how they conduct THEIR OWN AFFAIRS!)

     

    As Andrew C. McCarthy, writing in the *CONSERVATIVE* National Review, put it:
    "The justices are not going to have the slightest interest in entertaining
    a sprawling lawsuit brought by an unaffected third-party state — one that,
    if Texas got its way, would forevermore thrust the Supreme Court into
    the thick of electoral politics."

     
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    Posted: Dec. 10, 2020 - 4:45 PM ET #81

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Pennsylvania’s REPUBLICAN Attorney General Josh Shapiro said the lawsuit
    is “legally indefensible and is an afront to principles of constitutional democracy.”
    “What Texas is doing in this proceeding is to ask this Court to reconsider a
    mass of baseless claims about problems with the election that have already
    been considered, and rejected, by this Court and other courts,” he wrote.

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Pennsylvania’s REPUBLICAN Attorney General Josh Shapiro said the lawsuit
    is “legally indefensible and is an afront to principles of constitutional democracy.”
    “What Texas is doing in this proceeding is to ask this Court to reconsider a
    mass of baseless claims about problems with the election that have already
    been considered, and rejected, by this Court and other courts,” he wrote.

     

    rebuke of rump lawsuit from a republican attorney general an_light

     
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    Posted: Dec. 10, 2020 - 4:54 PM ET #82

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    There is NO way SCOTUS is going to get involved in this sort of lawsuit.

    Agree, Texas does not even have a constitutional argument to be made for intervening in the election laws of other states. sleep2

    Another meritless lawsuit from Trump loving dummies. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    There is NO way SCOTUS is going to get involved in this sort of lawsuit.

    Agree, Texas does not even have a constitutional argument to be made for intervening in the election laws of other states. sleep2

    Another meritless lawsuit from Trump loving dummies. 

     
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    Posted: Dec. 10, 2020 - 5:22 PM ET #83

    Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964:

    a nonpartisan independent law society had their president just explain the nuts and bolts of the laughable texas led lawsuit basically it alleges they believe the 4 swing states wisconsin michigan penn and georgia were wrong to operate their elections the way they did and so the millions of votes cast in those states should  b thrown out completely   which then gives the presidency to rump and the rump lickers it provides no valid evidence of wrongdoing that proves their case ,in largest part becuz there is no such evidence .  only one accusation after another without any proof .

     

    That is correct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964:

    a nonpartisan independent law society had their president just explain the nuts and bolts of the laughable texas led lawsuit basically it alleges they believe the 4 swing states wisconsin michigan penn and georgia were wrong to operate their elections the way they did and so the millions of votes cast in those states should  b thrown out completely   which then gives the presidency to rump and the rump lickers it provides no valid evidence of wrongdoing that proves their case ,in largest part becuz there is no such evidence .  only one accusation after another without any proof .

     

    That is correct.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 10, 2020 - 5:35 PM ET #84

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    REPUBLICAN Senator from Texas, Jon Cornyn stated Wednesday:

    "I read just the summary of it, and I frankly struggle to understand
    the legal theory of it. Number one, why would a state, even such a
    great state as Texas, have a say so on how other states administer
    their elections?? We have a diffused and dispersed system and even
    though we might not like it, they may THINK it's unfair ... those are
    decided at the state and local level and not at the national level.
    So it's an interesting theory, but I'm not convinced."

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    REPUBLICAN Senator from Texas, Jon Cornyn stated Wednesday:

    "I read just the summary of it, and I frankly struggle to understand
    the legal theory of it. Number one, why would a state, even such a
    great state as Texas, have a say so on how other states administer
    their elections?? We have a diffused and dispersed system and even
    though we might not like it, they may THINK it's unfair ... those are
    decided at the state and local level and not at the national level.
    So it's an interesting theory, but I'm not convinced."

     

    from republican senator  cornyn an_light

     
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    Posted: Dec. 10, 2020 - 5:54 PM ET #85

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Why this Texas 'election fraud' lawsuit
    is a total and complete joke!

    Chris Cillizza
    Here's why: Legally, Texas has zero legal standing to challenge how other states
    conduct their elections. Elections -- including ones for federal offices -- are solely
    the purview of individual states.

    states cant tell other states how to run an election in their state .

    this is nothing more than an audition for a rump pardon by the indicted texas attorney general

    "I'm the MOST HONEST human being that GOD EVER created!" - Donald "the felon" Trump
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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Why this Texas 'election fraud' lawsuit
    is a total and complete joke!

    Chris Cillizza
    Here's why: Legally, Texas has zero legal standing to challenge how other states
    conduct their elections. Elections -- including ones for federal offices -- are solely
    the purview of individual states.

    states cant tell other states how to run an election in their state .

    this is nothing more than an audition for a rump pardon by the indicted texas attorney general

     
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    Posted: Dec. 10, 2020 - 5:57 PM ET #86

    This is now their argument they can't find it so it exist trust... 

    “Despite the chaos of election night and the days which followed, the media has consistently proclaimed that no widespread voter fraud has been proven,” the lawsuit says (and that proclamation is accurate). “But this observation misses the point. The constitutional issue is not whether voters committed fraud but whether state officials violated the law by systematically loosening the measures for ballot integrity so that fraud becomes undetectable.”

    Reply

    This is now their argument they can't find it so it exist trust... 

    “Despite the chaos of election night and the days which followed, the media has consistently proclaimed that no widespread voter fraud has been proven,” the lawsuit says (and that proclamation is accurate). “But this observation misses the point. The constitutional issue is not whether voters committed fraud but whether state officials violated the law by systematically loosening the measures for ballot integrity so that fraud becomes undetectable.”

     
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    Posted: Dec. 10, 2020 - 6:00 PM ET #87

     Whoever filed this at the supreme court should be disbarred. 

    The Texas lawsuit, though, shifts the focus entirely to another matter: the actions of elections officials. It says their actions, including the Republicans who run Georgia’s elections, actually obscured evidence of fraud.

     

    “The unlawful actions of election officials effectively destroy the evidence by which the fraud may be detected,” it says.

    The lawsuit does not claim evidence of fraud in the vote-tabulation process but rather says, “The public record demonstrates a ballot-counting process replete with chaos, confusion, and partisan bias.”

    It also comes close to acknowledging that fraud has not conclusively been proved.

    “Whatever doubt there is about fraud by voters or political operatives,” it says, “there is no doubt that the officials of the Defendant States changed the rules of the contest in an unauthorized manner

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     Whoever filed this at the supreme court should be disbarred. 

    The Texas lawsuit, though, shifts the focus entirely to another matter: the actions of elections officials. It says their actions, including the Republicans who run Georgia’s elections, actually obscured evidence of fraud.

     

    “The unlawful actions of election officials effectively destroy the evidence by which the fraud may be detected,” it says.

    The lawsuit does not claim evidence of fraud in the vote-tabulation process but rather says, “The public record demonstrates a ballot-counting process replete with chaos, confusion, and partisan bias.”

    It also comes close to acknowledging that fraud has not conclusively been proved.

    “Whatever doubt there is about fraud by voters or political operatives,” it says, “there is no doubt that the officials of the Defendant States changed the rules of the contest in an unauthorized manner

     
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    Posted: Dec. 10, 2020 - 6:04 PM ET #88

    Not a federal attourney general. 

    But a states Attourney General can now procedure in another states matter that was already addressed in court.... this is ridiculous. He should be allowed to practice law at least at the federal level. If not disbarred entirely from ever practicing law. 

    This is a gross waste of tax payers money and judicial time... public buildings....

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    Not a federal attourney general. 

    But a states Attourney General can now procedure in another states matter that was already addressed in court.... this is ridiculous. He should be allowed to practice law at least at the federal level. If not disbarred entirely from ever practicing law. 

    This is a gross waste of tax payers money and judicial time... public buildings....

     
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    Posted: Dec. 10, 2020 - 6:08 PM ET #89

    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:

    This is now their argument they can't find it so it exist trust... 

    “Despite the chaos of election night and the days which followed, the media has consistently proclaimed that no widespread voter fraud has been proven,” the lawsuit says (and that proclamation is accurate). “But this observation misses the point. The constitutional issue is not whether voters committed fraud but whether state officials violated the law by systematically loosening the measures for ballot integrity so that fraud becomes undetectable.”

    If that's their argument NOW then it's even more stupid than it was BEFORE!

    State have the jurisdiction and the legal right to alter how voting is done in their state.  As many did!!!

    Secondly, "loosening the measures for ballot integrity so that fraud becomes undetectable" in itself

    still does NOT  PROVE that widespread fraud was actually commited!

    And that is ALWAYS the bottom line!

    They actually have to prove that widespread *WAS* commited, not merely suggest that it *could* have happened.

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:

    This is now their argument they can't find it so it exist trust... 

    “Despite the chaos of election night and the days which followed, the media has consistently proclaimed that no widespread voter fraud has been proven,” the lawsuit says (and that proclamation is accurate). “But this observation misses the point. The constitutional issue is not whether voters committed fraud but whether state officials violated the law by systematically loosening the measures for ballot integrity so that fraud becomes undetectable.”

    If that's their argument NOW then it's even more stupid than it was BEFORE!

    State have the jurisdiction and the legal right to alter how voting is done in their state.  As many did!!!

    Secondly, "loosening the measures for ballot integrity so that fraud becomes undetectable" in itself

    still does NOT  PROVE that widespread fraud was actually commited!

    And that is ALWAYS the bottom line!

    They actually have to prove that widespread *WAS* commited, not merely suggest that it *could* have happened.

     

     
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    Posted: Dec. 10, 2020 - 6:27 PM ET #90

    All 50 states have officially certified their election results.

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    All 50 states have officially certified their election results.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 10, 2020 - 6:36 PM ET #91

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    And yes, they get to decide -- as many states did in the face of the trump's pandemic
    -- whether or not to expand mail-in balloting!!!

    ( It's also worth noting that Paxton's lawsuit runs directly counter
    to the long-held Republican belief that states, not the federal government,
    should have broad jurisdiction over how they conduct THEIR OWN AFFAIRS!)

     

    funny how so many radical right repos r willing to overlook this

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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    And yes, they get to decide -- as many states did in the face of the trump's pandemic
    -- whether or not to expand mail-in balloting!!!

    ( It's also worth noting that Paxton's lawsuit runs directly counter
    to the long-held Republican belief that states, not the federal government,
    should have broad jurisdiction over how they conduct THEIR OWN AFFAIRS!)

     

    funny how so many radical right repos r willing to overlook this

     
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    Posted: Dec. 10, 2020 - 6:38 PM ET #92

    They have principals only when its convenient. 

    Bunch of hypocrites it seems.

    And we wonder how an Irwin detention center exists in America....

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    They have principals only when its convenient. 

    Bunch of hypocrites it seems.

    And we wonder how an Irwin detention center exists in America....

     
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    Posted: Dec. 10, 2020 - 7:32 PM ET #93

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    There is NO way SCOTUS is going to get involved in this sort of lawsuit.

     

    have to agree with that . no way

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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    There is NO way SCOTUS is going to get involved in this sort of lawsuit.

     

    have to agree with that . no way

     
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    Posted: Dec. 10, 2020 - 7:42 PM ET #94

    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:

    They have principals only when its convenient.  Bunch of hypocrites it seems. And we wonder how an Irwin detention center exists in America....

    Hypocrits on steroids

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    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:

    They have principals only when its convenient.  Bunch of hypocrites it seems. And we wonder how an Irwin detention center exists in America....

    Hypocrits on steroids

     
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    Posted: Dec. 10, 2020 - 9:58 PM ET #95

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    As Andrew C. McCarthy, writing in the *CONSERVATIVE* National Review, put it:
    "The SC justices are not going to have the slightest interest in entertaining
    a sprawling lawsuit brought by an unaffected third-party state — one that,
    if Texas got its way, would forevermore thrust the Supreme Court into
    the thick of electoral politics."

                    thumbs_up

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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    As Andrew C. McCarthy, writing in the *CONSERVATIVE* National Review, put it:
    "The SC justices are not going to have the slightest interest in entertaining
    a sprawling lawsuit brought by an unaffected third-party state — one that,
    if Texas got its way, would forevermore thrust the Supreme Court into
    the thick of electoral politics."

                    thumbs_up

     
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    Posted: Dec. 10, 2020 - 10:32 PM ET #96

    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:

    This is a gross waste of tax payers money and judicial time

     

          conservatives dont care

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    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:

    This is a gross waste of tax payers money and judicial time

     

          conservatives dont care

     
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    Posted: Dec. 10, 2020 - 11:15 PM ET #97

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    All 50 states have officially certified their election results.

     

    then its official ::  joe biden won !!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    All 50 states have officially certified their election results.

     

    then its official ::  joe biden won !!!

     
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    Posted: Dec. 10, 2020 - 11:21 PM ET #98

    And it becomes absolutely ignorant.

    Some how this piece of cow flap from Texas believes the court will rule an opinion without a hearing for the case....

    Unbelievable how did he get his law degree ????

     

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    And it becomes absolutely ignorant.

    Some how this piece of cow flap from Texas believes the court will rule an opinion without a hearing for the case....

    Unbelievable how did he get his law degree ????

     

     
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    Posted: Dec. 10, 2020 - 11:42 PM ET #99

    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:

    And it becomes absolutely ignorant. Some how this piece of cow flap from Texas believes the court will rule an opinion without a hearing for the case.... Unbelievable how did he get his law degree ????

     

                 good point

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    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:

    And it becomes absolutely ignorant. Some how this piece of cow flap from Texas believes the court will rule an opinion without a hearing for the case.... Unbelievable how did he get his law degree ????

     

                 good point

     
     
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    Posted: Dec. 11, 2020 - 11:04 AM ET #100

    While we all hold our breaths <chuckle> waiting for the long-PROMISED *PROOF*
    of alleged *WIDESPREAD* election fraud *PROVING* beyond any and all
    reasonable doubt that the entire election from coast to coast was rigged for Biden,
    we still have other news of concern in our lives ...

     

    Miami will begin enforcing a curfew this weekend
    as trump's coronavirus cases SURGE!

    FOX
    Starting this weekend, the city of Miami will begin enforcing a citywide curfew
    in response to the surge in coronavirus cases, the city announced in a press release.

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    While we all hold our breaths <chuckle> waiting for the long-PROMISED *PROOF*
    of alleged *WIDESPREAD* election fraud *PROVING* beyond any and all
    reasonable doubt that the entire election from coast to coast was rigged for Biden,
    we still have other news of concern in our lives ...

     

    Miami will begin enforcing a curfew this weekend
    as trump's coronavirus cases SURGE!

    FOX
    Starting this weekend, the city of Miami will begin enforcing a citywide curfew
    in response to the surge in coronavirus cases, the city announced in a press release.

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