The Actual Numbers from CDC

Nice of you to qualify it like that.  But this is largely incorrect.  I have reviewed several of the RCTs — and none of them conclude this.  

If you get bored and feel like reading some, hopefully, not too-intensive scientific mumbo-jumbo, I can get you a link to an overall assessment.  

I think I am on a dozen or so of the ones assessed, so, I have a pretty good grasp on them. 

The studies do not conclude these things are effective and even speculate on additional potential issues. 

https://www.rcreader.com/commentary/masks-dont-work-covid-a-review-of-science-relevant-to-covide-19-social-policy

This breaks it down on a somewhat basic level and has many additional links and studies if you want to delve into it. 

Raiders.............Is the 6% of deaths caused only by Covid 19 accurate from the CDC?

That is more or less accurate according to infectious disease expert, Anthony Fauci.

Being open-minded, and willing to change my views upon NEW and CREDIBLE
information (things can change right?!) I followed your link and read the article.

A few key points for our learned forum colleagues to consider:

1/ The link was dated June 11, 2020.

2/  The alleged study was actually posted in APRIL (when widespread knowledge
and supportive studies of efficacy of mask-wearing was NOT readily available)

3/ The note at the bottom of that article reads:
PHd Denis G. Rancourt is a researcher at the Ontario Civil Liberties Association (OCLA.ca)
and is formerly a tenured professor at the University of Ottawa, Canada. This paper
was originally published at Rancourt's account on ResearchGate.net. in April 2020.
As of June 5, 2020, this paper was REMOVED from his profile by its administrators
at Researchgate.net/profile/D_Rancourt. (He was outraged that he was censured)

4/  Since April when he wrote that, the allegation that mask-wearing is not effective
has been refuted and debunked.  I am not going to list all the articles and data.

I posted this article dated JULY 2020 as shown
on FOX NEWS website: https://tinyurl.com/y9fjrv8j
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from FOX NEWS:

Wearing a mask cuts own risk of novel coronavirus
by 65 percent, experts say

A range of new research now suggests that masks
also protect the wearer

Health experts have stressed the importance of wearing a mask
to limit the possibility of infecting others with COVID-19, but a
range of new research now suggests they also protect the wearer,
according to a report Monday.

“So we don’t know who might spread it,” Blumberg said.
“We do know social distancing reduces the risk of transmitting the
virus by 90 percent, and wearing masks decreases the risk by 65%."

“Everyone should wear a mask,” Blumberg said.
“People who say, ‘I don’t believe masks work,’ are ignoring scientific evidence.
It’s not a belief system. It’s like saying, ‘I don’t believe in gravity.’"
FOX NEWS:   https://tinyurl.com/y9fjrv8j

So true.

It's one stat America should NOT be proud of. 

"Yaaayy! WE ARE NUMBER ONE!"  just doesn't cut it when speaking of negative health issues.

Still, as bad as it is, asthma, diabetes, obesity, smoking, sedentary lifestyles, immune deficiencies, etc

are not in themselves premature death sentences. Due to advances in modern health interventions

these people can live long and happy lives.  (Those with multiple risky behaviors probably not so long)

COVID-19 *obviously* compounds those issues in many who are infected.

Younger individuals are the lucky ones.  Without decades of a pre-existing condition they seem to survive much better.

Those who have been and are battling pre-existing conditions are not so lucky.

ODDLY, with the everyday common flu -- it is the YOUNG who are at greater risk, likely because they have NOT had the decades of exposure to flus and have built immunities to them.

find the information here

https://twitter.com/wesbury/status/1300073924189777920

All of this.

This is strictly the cases that only listed Covid as THE cause of death.  Many others list Covid as a contributing factor AND other causes. Others were obviously caused by other factors BUT they also had Covid as well.  

So, parenthetically, or at least inferred: Yes — We have seen inflated and exaggerated counts on a lot of fronts.  This will take a lot of time to sort out for sure.  But not by that number.  Most of the folks say by ~20%.  But at this time it had to be extrapolated. 

My only point was to Gamble about the things he said. 

He was trying to be diplomatic, I know.  

I just wanted him to know we have looked at all of these studies for years.  Masks, respirators, distancing etc.  None of them have reached that conclusion at all — and this is for decades now.  

I have posted many of the individual ones on here before.  This one is more or less just an overall assessment to show how we come to the conclusions. 

But if you want any other detailed studies — or ongoing ones even — on any of those, I can get you more info.  That link really referenced most of the reviewed ones on Flu-Type transmissions. So, it should lead you wherever you would like to go for more information. 

This is generally better than simply reading the news from the media as opposed to journals, etc.  

Excerpts from article:

Yes, Wearing Masks Helps. Here's Why

June 21, 2020 npr.org
"Take, for example, a meta-analysis of 172 studies
that looked at various interventions to prevent the
transmission of COVID-19, SARS and MERS from an
infected person to people close to them.
The analysis, which was published in The Lancet on
June 1, found that mask wearing significantly 
reduces the risk of viral transmission. "

Researchers will tell you that masks won't provide full protection.
And teasing out the science of masks will take time.
But Marr says there's enough evidence already to say that,
combined with measures like social distancing, masks really do help.

Now, most of the studies in the analysis looked at face mask use
in health care, not community, settings. And they were observational,
not the gold standard of science - a randomized controlled trial -
which would be "very unethical in a pandemic," says Jeffrey Shaman,
an epidemiologist at Columbia University.
Still, he says the fact that there is a benefit from masks is clear.
Source: https://tinyurl.com/y9dulqvu

Raiders. My point was that it is up to the individual to protect themselves and the people he sees regularly. That means I am not going to bars, public gatherings/restaurants/outdoor concerts, and am generally avoiding groups of people in excess of 6 or 8. I play golf up to 10 times a month with the same people that I trust to be active social distancers like myself. I wear my mask in every grocery or other store and don't get near anyone.

However, if a person decides to engage in more risky Covid behaviors without social distancing and not wear a mask, would it be Trump's fault if that person died of Covid19???

The running total on the death count blaming Trump (Fubar) is the stupidest and most offensive opinion to the rational mind posted on this site on a daily basis. 

provided trump did everything humanly possible -  like mandating masks , constant televised public service messages about masking and social distancing , WEARING A MASK HIMSELF AT ALL TIMES IN PUBLIC TO SET AN EXAMPLE , refusing to encourage sports leagues or schools to reopen despite obvious ongoing health risks , uses all media to chastise publicly those violating his mandates ,featuring dr.fauci and dr.birx in weekly or daily press briefings consistently , not holding large unhealthy gatherings to hear him speak without a mask and distance mandate for that gathering

then in that very unlikely scenario trump would  not  be responsible if some fool DEFIES HIS MANDATES and defies all trumps repeated daily warnings then dies from covid

right now that number is  0  because trump hasnt acted responsibly . period

I understand what you are saying.  I simply am saying the underlying premise is incorrect.  Which is why I only replied to that portion. 

But sure, you should wear a mask if you are in a mandated area.  Plus you don’t want to offend folks that have been scared right now.  I get all of that.  It is basically futile is all I am pointing out.

Of course, I also know it is not Trump’s fault.  No rational person really believes that.  I know that as well.  Again, why I did not reply to that part. 

Sorry Kelly. You seem smarter than that answer. I'm guessing you haven't been attending mass gatherings of people without masks. 

Raiders. You and I always see eye to eye. Doesn't matter if it's a stock recommendation or a political view. I was just explaining my point a bit further. 

In regard to masks, it seems sensible to me that it "might" help me avoid an airborne contagion if I happened to be in the area where Covid was floating around from a sneeze. I understand there are studies that possibly do not support this, but I choose to wear my mask anyway.

and yet   u clearly  dont

Sensible and reasoned answer.

Couldn't have said it better.

In any part of our democratic society, as long as one has taken all REASONABLE measures then that person should be absolved of responsibility.  There may be some legal cases/issues regarding statutes of negligence, etc, of which I am not aware, but certainly this is an observable consensus understanding.

But therein lies the question:  were ALL reasonable measures taken to avoid danger, and thus culpability?

In Dr.Death's case, clearly the answer is no.  Only a fool could believe otherwise.

In fact, with Dr.Death, a valid case can be made that he was and still is actually doing the OPPOSITE !

Barbarossa 

Raiders