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    Relax_Dude
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    Posted: Aug. 8, 2016 - 2:24 PM ET #1

    The rejection of the Trump candidacy is a final rejection of of any vestiges of austere border protection, trade protection and self interest deals, end of cultural protection measures by governments (including race, religion), and indeed the opposite is true, ACTIVE immigration incentives (visas, economic help, security, health are, education, jobs, etc).

    The idea of protection of vales and culture, security from others is a sensitive one, and has to handled by a skilled politician, not easily carried out by a rogue celebrity and real estate mogul who disvalues political correctness. Trump's platform has solid tenets. Many believers who say "Finally!" Yet there is no derailing globalism and it will go unfettered now to an unknown, insecure and violent trajectory.

    Trump's name and his brand recognition will come out of this sky high. Like the Kardashian's (perplexing their hold on the masses) who sell out any lipstick or new shoe within hours, the Trump brand will rebound in a YYyuge way. INTERNATIONALLY now, Trump hotels, clothes, food products and more will have a lengthy foothold with Ivanka, Donald Jr at the forefront.

    America as a global PARTNER moves on, but as a nation and national identity, it loses the past, and becomes less of a unified nation and more of a loosely aligned coalition of interests. The new frontier is globalism. Can these coalitions solve problems? Slavery is more prevalent than ever by sheer numbers; poverty and inequality; religious zeal and terrorism from ISIS; disconnection within communities caused by multiculturalism, which becomes no culture at times.; the need for more law and order by militarized police; environmental destruction; corruption.

    Even as President, Trump would've had to deal with international realities, a congress that would have to approve his wall and ban of Muslims, austere trade barriers etc. and globalism would still march forward during his tenure.

    You would've had many gaffes and misstatements to talk about everyday, but with that you would've had more security with Trump, so the job loss, the immigration issues, ISIS killings, the trade deficits and your middle class wage will be blown up in front of us. Winners? Wall Street bankers, fund managers, the military industrial complex, the uber wealthy, refugees from cesspool nations, Islamist extremists everywhere...not you. Not me.

    Told you so.
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    The rejection of the Trump candidacy is a final rejection of of any vestiges of austere border protection, trade protection and self interest deals, end of cultural protection measures by governments (including race, religion), and indeed the opposite is true, ACTIVE immigration incentives (visas, economic help, security, health are, education, jobs, etc).

    The idea of protection of vales and culture, security from others is a sensitive one, and has to handled by a skilled politician, not easily carried out by a rogue celebrity and real estate mogul who disvalues political correctness. Trump's platform has solid tenets. Many believers who say "Finally!" Yet there is no derailing globalism and it will go unfettered now to an unknown, insecure and violent trajectory.

    Trump's name and his brand recognition will come out of this sky high. Like the Kardashian's (perplexing their hold on the masses) who sell out any lipstick or new shoe within hours, the Trump brand will rebound in a YYyuge way. INTERNATIONALLY now, Trump hotels, clothes, food products and more will have a lengthy foothold with Ivanka, Donald Jr at the forefront.

    America as a global PARTNER moves on, but as a nation and national identity, it loses the past, and becomes less of a unified nation and more of a loosely aligned coalition of interests. The new frontier is globalism. Can these coalitions solve problems? Slavery is more prevalent than ever by sheer numbers; poverty and inequality; religious zeal and terrorism from ISIS; disconnection within communities caused by multiculturalism, which becomes no culture at times.; the need for more law and order by militarized police; environmental destruction; corruption.

    Even as President, Trump would've had to deal with international realities, a congress that would have to approve his wall and ban of Muslims, austere trade barriers etc. and globalism would still march forward during his tenure.

    You would've had many gaffes and misstatements to talk about everyday, but with that you would've had more security with Trump, so the job loss, the immigration issues, ISIS killings, the trade deficits and your middle class wage will be blown up in front of us. Winners? Wall Street bankers, fund managers, the military industrial complex, the uber wealthy, refugees from cesspool nations, Islamist extremists everywhere...not you. Not me.

    Told you so.
     
    darkhorse12
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    Posted: Aug. 8, 2016 - 3:56 PM ET #2

    Quote Originally Posted by Relax_Dude:

    The rejection of the Trump candidacy is a final rejection of of any vestiges of austere border protection, trade protection and self interest deals, end of cultural protection measures by governments (including race, religion), and indeed the opposite is true, ACTIVE immigration incentives (visas, economic help, security, health are, education, jobs, etc).

    The idea of protection of vales and culture, security from others is a sensitive one, and has to handled by a skilled politician, not easily carried out by a rogue celebrity and real estate mogul who disvalues political correctness. Trump's platform has solid tenets. Many believers who say "Finally!" Yet there is no derailing globalism and it will go unfettered now to an unknown, insecure and violent trajectory.

    Trump's name and his brand recognition will come out of this sky high. Like the Kardashian's (perplexing their hold on the masses) who sell out any lipstick or new shoe within hours, the Trump brand will rebound in a YYyuge way. INTERNATIONALLY now, Trump hotels, clothes, food products and more will have a lengthy foothold with Ivanka, Donald Jr at the forefront.

    America as a global PARTNER moves on, but as a nation and national identity, it loses the past, and becomes less of a unified nation and more of a loosely aligned coalition of interests. The new frontier is globalism. Can these coalitions solve problems? Slavery is more prevalent than ever by sheer numbers; poverty and inequality; religious zeal and terrorism from ISIS; disconnection within communities caused by multiculturalism, which becomes no culture at times.; the need for more law and order by militarized police; environmental destruction; corruption.

    Even as President, Trump would've had to deal with international realities, a congress that would have to approve his wall and ban of Muslims, austere trade barriers etc. and globalism would still march forward during his tenure.

    You would've had many gaffes and misstatements to talk about everyday, but with that you would've had more security with Trump, so the job loss, the immigration issues, ISIS killings, the trade deficits and your middle class wage will be blown up in front of us. Winners? Wall Street bankers, fund managers, the military industrial complex, the uber wealthy, refugees from cesspool nations, Islamist extremists everywhere...not you. Not me.

    Told you so.

    What is his platform?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Relax_Dude:

    The rejection of the Trump candidacy is a final rejection of of any vestiges of austere border protection, trade protection and self interest deals, end of cultural protection measures by governments (including race, religion), and indeed the opposite is true, ACTIVE immigration incentives (visas, economic help, security, health are, education, jobs, etc).

    The idea of protection of vales and culture, security from others is a sensitive one, and has to handled by a skilled politician, not easily carried out by a rogue celebrity and real estate mogul who disvalues political correctness. Trump's platform has solid tenets. Many believers who say "Finally!" Yet there is no derailing globalism and it will go unfettered now to an unknown, insecure and violent trajectory.

    Trump's name and his brand recognition will come out of this sky high. Like the Kardashian's (perplexing their hold on the masses) who sell out any lipstick or new shoe within hours, the Trump brand will rebound in a YYyuge way. INTERNATIONALLY now, Trump hotels, clothes, food products and more will have a lengthy foothold with Ivanka, Donald Jr at the forefront.

    America as a global PARTNER moves on, but as a nation and national identity, it loses the past, and becomes less of a unified nation and more of a loosely aligned coalition of interests. The new frontier is globalism. Can these coalitions solve problems? Slavery is more prevalent than ever by sheer numbers; poverty and inequality; religious zeal and terrorism from ISIS; disconnection within communities caused by multiculturalism, which becomes no culture at times.; the need for more law and order by militarized police; environmental destruction; corruption.

    Even as President, Trump would've had to deal with international realities, a congress that would have to approve his wall and ban of Muslims, austere trade barriers etc. and globalism would still march forward during his tenure.

    You would've had many gaffes and misstatements to talk about everyday, but with that you would've had more security with Trump, so the job loss, the immigration issues, ISIS killings, the trade deficits and your middle class wage will be blown up in front of us. Winners? Wall Street bankers, fund managers, the military industrial complex, the uber wealthy, refugees from cesspool nations, Islamist extremists everywhere...not you. Not me.

    Told you so.

    What is his platform?

     
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    Posted: Aug. 8, 2016 - 4:39 PM ET #3

    Quote Originally Posted by darkhorse12:

    What is his platform?



    It's not a platform..........it's a plank. ..Trump is going to force Hillary to walk the plank..
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    Quote Originally Posted by darkhorse12:

    What is his platform?



    It's not a platform..........it's a plank. ..Trump is going to force Hillary to walk the plank..
     
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    Posted: Aug. 8, 2016 - 4:54 PM ET #4

    The rejection of the Trump candidacy is proof that there is still common sense out there.   

    He was the wrong guy at the right time.  

    Find someone more level-headed with a grasp of how world politics work and he would wipe the floor with Hillary.  
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    The rejection of the Trump candidacy is proof that there is still common sense out there.   

    He was the wrong guy at the right time.  

    Find someone more level-headed with a grasp of how world politics work and he would wipe the floor with Hillary.  
     
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    Posted: Aug. 8, 2016 - 4:59 PM ET #5

    Quote Originally Posted by Relax_Dude:

     

    America as a global PARTNER moves on, but as a nation and national identity, it loses the past, and becomes less of a unified nation and more of a loosely aligned coalition of interests. The new frontier is globalism. Can these coalitions solve problems? Slavery is more prevalent than ever by sheer numbers; poverty and inequality; religious zeal and terrorism from ISIS; disconnection within communities caused by multiculturalism, which becomes no culture at times.; the need for more law and order by militarized police; environmental destruction; corruption.

    Even as President, Trump would've had to deal with international realities, a congress that would have to approve his wall and ban of Muslims, austere trade barriers etc. and globalism would still march forward during his tenure.

    You would've had many gaffes and misstatements to talk about everyday, but with that you would've had more security with Trump, so the job loss, the immigration issues, ISIS killings, the trade deficits and your middle class wage will be blown up in front of us. Winners? Wall Street bankers, fund managers, the military industrial complex, the uber wealthy, refugees from cesspool nations, Islamist extremists everywhere...not you. Not me.

    Told you so.

    When you get caught up in extremism, you make inherent contradictions. 

    See you support someone like Trump and talk about the need for globalism for safety issues, yet you support a person whose views are the antithesis of globalism. 

    Perhaps if you actually thought the issues through rather than toe the Republican extremist line, you wouldn't get caught in such hypocrisy. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by Relax_Dude:

     

    America as a global PARTNER moves on, but as a nation and national identity, it loses the past, and becomes less of a unified nation and more of a loosely aligned coalition of interests. The new frontier is globalism. Can these coalitions solve problems? Slavery is more prevalent than ever by sheer numbers; poverty and inequality; religious zeal and terrorism from ISIS; disconnection within communities caused by multiculturalism, which becomes no culture at times.; the need for more law and order by militarized police; environmental destruction; corruption.

    Even as President, Trump would've had to deal with international realities, a congress that would have to approve his wall and ban of Muslims, austere trade barriers etc. and globalism would still march forward during his tenure.

    You would've had many gaffes and misstatements to talk about everyday, but with that you would've had more security with Trump, so the job loss, the immigration issues, ISIS killings, the trade deficits and your middle class wage will be blown up in front of us. Winners? Wall Street bankers, fund managers, the military industrial complex, the uber wealthy, refugees from cesspool nations, Islamist extremists everywhere...not you. Not me.

    Told you so.

    When you get caught up in extremism, you make inherent contradictions. 

    See you support someone like Trump and talk about the need for globalism for safety issues, yet you support a person whose views are the antithesis of globalism. 

    Perhaps if you actually thought the issues through rather than toe the Republican extremist line, you wouldn't get caught in such hypocrisy. 
     
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    Posted: Aug. 8, 2016 - 5:13 PM ET #6

    Quote Originally Posted by BWS77:

    The rejection of the Trump candidacy is proof that there is still common sense out there.   

    He was the wrong guy at the right time.  

    Find someone more level-headed with a grasp of how world politics work and he would wipe the floor with Hillary.  




    Typical left-wing misogynist..why does it have to be a HE?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BWS77:

    The rejection of the Trump candidacy is proof that there is still common sense out there.   

    He was the wrong guy at the right time.  

    Find someone more level-headed with a grasp of how world politics work and he would wipe the floor with Hillary.  




    Typical left-wing misogynist..why does it have to be a HE?
     
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    Posted: Aug. 8, 2016 - 5:22 PM ET #7

    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:



    It's not a platform..........it's a plank. ..Trump is going to force Hillary to walk the plank..


    this is a gambling site. I assume you still haven't put any money where your mouth is, right? Odds on your surefire trump win looking more positive for you daily. Why not bet instead of bloviating?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:



    It's not a platform..........it's a plank. ..Trump is going to force Hillary to walk the plank..


    this is a gambling site. I assume you still haven't put any money where your mouth is, right? Odds on your surefire trump win looking more positive for you daily. Why not bet instead of bloviating?
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by lionblood:

    What an idiotic thread but a clueless person lol.  

    You think things are bad now? If trump were elected im pretty sure he'd brings wars to the u.s with how provactive and ignorant he is.

    There's a difference between being a strong leader and being stupid and inviting war.

    Interesting take considering he is the only candidate who didn't and wouldn't have voted for the war in Iraq.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lionblood:

    What an idiotic thread but a clueless person lol.  

    You think things are bad now? If trump were elected im pretty sure he'd brings wars to the u.s with how provactive and ignorant he is.

    There's a difference between being a strong leader and being stupid and inviting war.

    Interesting take considering he is the only candidate who didn't and wouldn't have voted for the war in Iraq.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by BWS77:

    The rejection of the Trump candidacy is proof that there is still common sense out there.   

    He was the wrong guy at the right time.  

    Find someone more level-headed with a grasp of how world politics work and he would wipe the floor with Hillary.  

    Only half correct....if there truly were common sense there would be no liberals. Only republicans and libertarians would exist.


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    Quote Originally Posted by BWS77:

    The rejection of the Trump candidacy is proof that there is still common sense out there.   

    He was the wrong guy at the right time.  

    Find someone more level-headed with a grasp of how world politics work and he would wipe the floor with Hillary.  

    Only half correct....if there truly were common sense there would be no liberals. Only republicans and libertarians would exist.


     
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    Quote Originally Posted by bowlslit:


    Only half correct....if there truly were common sense there would be no liberals. Only republicans and libertarians would exist.



    Sure.......   that would work out great.   Keep the women in the kitchen and the foreigners in their own countries!  Strap on your AR-15 and head out to your kids little league game!    MURICA!!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bowlslit:


    Only half correct....if there truly were common sense there would be no liberals. Only republicans and libertarians would exist.



    Sure.......   that would work out great.   Keep the women in the kitchen and the foreigners in their own countries!  Strap on your AR-15 and head out to your kids little league game!    MURICA!!!!!!

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by lionblood:


    That's a very good point and the only thing I agree with on trump but talk is cheap.  

    It actually is  not a good point because it isn't true. Bowlslit is the biggest Trump cheerleader on this site. 

    Here are Trump's quotes on the war. Note the first:

    Trump Timeline

    Sept. 11, 2002: Howard Stern asks Trump if he supports invading Iraq. Trump answers hesitantly. “Yeah, I guess so. You know, I wish it was, I wish the first time it was done correctly.”

    Jan. 28, 2003: Trump appears on Fox Business’ “Your World with Neil Cavuto,” on the night ofPresident Bush’s State of the Union address. Trump says he expects to hear “a lot of talk about Iraq and the problems,” and the economy. He urges Bush to make a decision on Iraq. “Either you attack or you don’t attack,” he says. But he offers no opinion on what Bush should do.


    March 19, 2003: President George W. Bush announces in a televised address to the nation that the war with Iraq has started.

    March 21, 2003: Neil Cavuto of Fox Business interviews Trump about the impact of the Iraq war on the stock market. Trump says the war “looks like a tremendous success from a military standpoint,” and he predicts the market will “go up like a rocket” after the war. But Cavuto does not ask Trump whether the U.S. should have gone to war with Iraq and Trump doesn’t offer an opinion.


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    Quote Originally Posted by lionblood:


    That's a very good point and the only thing I agree with on trump but talk is cheap.  

    It actually is  not a good point because it isn't true. Bowlslit is the biggest Trump cheerleader on this site. 

    Here are Trump's quotes on the war. Note the first:

    Trump Timeline

    Sept. 11, 2002: Howard Stern asks Trump if he supports invading Iraq. Trump answers hesitantly. “Yeah, I guess so. You know, I wish it was, I wish the first time it was done correctly.”

    Jan. 28, 2003: Trump appears on Fox Business’ “Your World with Neil Cavuto,” on the night ofPresident Bush’s State of the Union address. Trump says he expects to hear “a lot of talk about Iraq and the problems,” and the economy. He urges Bush to make a decision on Iraq. “Either you attack or you don’t attack,” he says. But he offers no opinion on what Bush should do.


    March 19, 2003: President George W. Bush announces in a televised address to the nation that the war with Iraq has started.

    March 21, 2003: Neil Cavuto of Fox Business interviews Trump about the impact of the Iraq war on the stock market. Trump says the war “looks like a tremendous success from a military standpoint,” and he predicts the market will “go up like a rocket” after the war. But Cavuto does not ask Trump whether the U.S. should have gone to war with Iraq and Trump doesn’t offer an opinion.


     
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    Posted: Aug. 8, 2016 - 6:51 PM ET #12

    France, Germany, Sweden etc wish that they did not have a Muslim invasion created to destroy Europe. Trump is right. No more Muslims coming to America till we have it figured out.
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    France, Germany, Sweden etc wish that they did not have a Muslim invasion created to destroy Europe. Trump is right. No more Muslims coming to America till we have it figured out.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 8, 2016 - 7:04 PM ET #13

    Quote Originally Posted by sundance:

    France, Germany, Sweden etc wish that they did not have a Muslim invasion created to destroy Europe. Trump is right. No more Muslims coming to America till we have it figured out.

    What do you know about European culture? When is the last time you were in France, Germany, or Sweden? Eating french fries or Swedish fish does not count. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by sundance:

    France, Germany, Sweden etc wish that they did not have a Muslim invasion created to destroy Europe. Trump is right. No more Muslims coming to America till we have it figured out.

    What do you know about European culture? When is the last time you were in France, Germany, or Sweden? Eating french fries or Swedish fish does not count. 
     
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    Posted: Aug. 8, 2016 - 7:29 PM ET #14

    Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:


    What do you know about European culture? When is the last time you were in France, Germany, or Sweden? Eating french fries or Swedish fish does not count. 

    Heard of Brexit?


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    Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:


    What do you know about European culture? When is the last time you were in France, Germany, or Sweden? Eating french fries or Swedish fish does not count. 

    Heard of Brexit?


     
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    Posted: Aug. 8, 2016 - 7:49 PM ET #15

    Quote Originally Posted by Killer_B:


    Heard of Brexit?



    Yep. 

    You might want to study the Greek bailouts before you go there. Hint: The controversial Greek bailouts had nothing to do with immigrants. 

    As Uncle Junior said...go big or go home. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by Killer_B:


    Heard of Brexit?



    Yep. 

    You might want to study the Greek bailouts before you go there. Hint: The controversial Greek bailouts had nothing to do with immigrants. 

    As Uncle Junior said...go big or go home. 
     
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    Posted: Aug. 8, 2016 - 8:42 PM ET #16

    Quote Originally Posted by Skipster:



    this is a gambling site. I assume you still haven't put any money where your mouth is, right? Odds on your surefire trump win looking more positive for you daily. Why not bet instead of bloviating?




    For a big time gambler Skippy,, you sure have a bad memory ..I told you before I don't bet on Presidential elections..but if I did,, I wouldn't go around making false claims about what odds I got on Hillary to win..now thats blowing hot air..




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    this is a gambling site. I assume you still haven't put any money where your mouth is, right? Odds on your surefire trump win looking more positive for you daily. Why not bet instead of bloviating?




    For a big time gambler Skippy,, you sure have a bad memory ..I told you before I don't bet on Presidential elections..but if I did,, I wouldn't go around making false claims about what odds I got on Hillary to win..now thats blowing hot air..




     
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    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:





    For a big time gambler Skippy,, you sure have a bad memory ..I told you before I don't bet on Presidential elections..but if I did,, I wouldn't go around making false claims about what odds I got on Hillary to win..now thats blowing hot air..






    you and trump a perfect combination. all talk.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:





    For a big time gambler Skippy,, you sure have a bad memory ..I told you before I don't bet on Presidential elections..but if I did,, I wouldn't go around making false claims about what odds I got on Hillary to win..now thats blowing hot air..






    you and trump a perfect combination. all talk.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 8, 2016 - 9:22 PM ET #18

    you guys with your right and left babble...do you really think that a republican or a democrat is going to fix the trajectory that this country is on? 

    i just can't fathom how people still think that we can vote our way out of this mess...
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    you guys with your right and left babble...do you really think that a republican or a democrat is going to fix the trajectory that this country is on? 

    i just can't fathom how people still think that we can vote our way out of this mess...
     
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    Posted: Aug. 8, 2016 - 9:58 PM ET #19

    I was in Germany from 83-85 while stationed at Kleber Kaserne. I promise you German women did not have to worry about being raped, molested, possibly killed by Muslim immigrants. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by sundance:

    I was in Germany from 83-85 while stationed at Kleber Kaserne. I promise you German women did not have to worry about being raped, molested, possibly killed by Muslim immigrants. 


    Why ?

    Is it because of their hairy arm pits?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sundance:

    I was in Germany from 83-85 while stationed at Kleber Kaserne. I promise you German women did not have to worry about being raped, molested, possibly killed by Muslim immigrants. 


    Why ?

    Is it because of their hairy arm pits?
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:



    Why ?

    Is it because of their hairy arm pits?

    No, because trump was in the states those years.

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:



    Why ?

    Is it because of their hairy arm pits?

    No, because trump was in the states those years.

     

     
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    Posted: Aug. 8, 2016 - 11:10 PM ET #22

    "The first condition for prosperity is security."

    --DJT


    i would say it is not a point worth arguing that if anyone is prosperous, it is Donald J Trump. 

    Lack of security = lack of prosperity

    Under Hillary you will have:

    1) ISIS spiking its calls for terrorism throughout cities in Europe and the US, and the US military unable to extend its influence in the region, nor willing to even call it "iradical islamic terrorism"

    2) Immigrants pouring in the southern borders, and "visitors" ignoring their visas in record numbers and getting helped to do so

    3) Violent crime and incarceration at record numbers under Obama, and will rise under the lack of law enforcement support, and the coddling of domestic terrorist organizations such as Black Lives (Only) Matter

    4) More regime changing under Hillary--her favorite ideals for America are to meddle into other countries and topple those who don't toe the line (she despised JFK for not carrying out the CIA's recommendations to overthrow Castro when given 3 opportunities), and she does NOT care about the lives lost or the chaos that ensues.

    5) Unstable middle class as Wall Street bankers use their puppet Hillary to keep the boot on their middle class necks--wages stay lowered in construction as illegals continue to dominate the industry; manufacturing goes to Mexico as people lose jobs and livelihoods.
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    "The first condition for prosperity is security."

    --DJT


    i would say it is not a point worth arguing that if anyone is prosperous, it is Donald J Trump. 

    Lack of security = lack of prosperity

    Under Hillary you will have:

    1) ISIS spiking its calls for terrorism throughout cities in Europe and the US, and the US military unable to extend its influence in the region, nor willing to even call it "iradical islamic terrorism"

    2) Immigrants pouring in the southern borders, and "visitors" ignoring their visas in record numbers and getting helped to do so

    3) Violent crime and incarceration at record numbers under Obama, and will rise under the lack of law enforcement support, and the coddling of domestic terrorist organizations such as Black Lives (Only) Matter

    4) More regime changing under Hillary--her favorite ideals for America are to meddle into other countries and topple those who don't toe the line (she despised JFK for not carrying out the CIA's recommendations to overthrow Castro when given 3 opportunities), and she does NOT care about the lives lost or the chaos that ensues.

    5) Unstable middle class as Wall Street bankers use their puppet Hillary to keep the boot on their middle class necks--wages stay lowered in construction as illegals continue to dominate the industry; manufacturing goes to Mexico as people lose jobs and livelihoods.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by darkhorse12:

    No, because trump was in the states those years.

     


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    No, because trump was in the states those years.

     


     
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    Posted: Aug. 8, 2016 - 11:19 PM ET #24

    Aristotlean Logic 101:

     More security = more prosperity

    less security = less prosperity

    Under Hillary you will have less security and less prosperity



    It is insane to choose insecurity 

    You are voting for Hillary

    You are insane
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    Aristotlean Logic 101:

     More security = more prosperity

    less security = less prosperity

    Under Hillary you will have less security and less prosperity



    It is insane to choose insecurity 

    You are voting for Hillary

    You are insane
     
     
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    Posted: Aug. 9, 2016 - 6:52 AM ET #25

    and they are insane.
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