WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) -- Rep. Henry Waxman of California has been
elected the new chairman of the powerful House Energy and Commerce
Committee, replacing veteran lawmaker and Detroit-ally Rep. John
Dingell. The 137 to 122 vote by Democratic lawmakers on Thursday marks
a significant shift in congressional leadership, and opens the door to
stronger environmental standards for the auto industry. Dingell, a
staunch supporter of the U.S. auto industry, has successfully blocked
tighter regulations for carbon emmission standards -------------- so we are probably going to bailout the autos in january and then we're going to sic Waxman on them to improve environmental standards as well?
chapter 11 is a necessity at this point
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WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) -- Rep. Henry Waxman of California has been
elected the new chairman of the powerful House Energy and Commerce
Committee, replacing veteran lawmaker and Detroit-ally Rep. John
Dingell. The 137 to 122 vote by Democratic lawmakers on Thursday marks
a significant shift in congressional leadership, and opens the door to
stronger environmental standards for the auto industry. Dingell, a
staunch supporter of the U.S. auto industry, has successfully blocked
tighter regulations for carbon emmission standards -------------- so we are probably going to bailout the autos in january and then we're going to sic Waxman on them to improve environmental standards as well?
NO - just once again. I made a killing shorting alternative (green) stocks in 2000-2001. They were a big bubble then, and will be bigger this time around.
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Quote Originally Posted by be easy:
the next bubble, alternative energy
NO - just once again. I made a killing shorting alternative (green) stocks in 2000-2001. They were a big bubble then, and will be bigger this time around.
New investors buy up the assets and re-tool the factories
after a year or so rehire workers who are willing to work for livable wages (15 an hour and normal medical coverage ) no quadruple time for working a Sunday holiday after 40 hours etc
I have even heard horror stories of truckers having to deliver to union places and having to go through about 5 people to get their freight unloaded
1) guy to tell you what dock to use 2) guy who unloads fright 3) guy who verifies freight
4) guy who puts away freight
5) guy who signs bills
Now truck drivers They keep America rolling, and I admire almost all of those folks that do that demanding job.
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Let them fail
New investors buy up the assets and re-tool the factories
after a year or so rehire workers who are willing to work for livable wages (15 an hour and normal medical coverage ) no quadruple time for working a Sunday holiday after 40 hours etc
I have even heard horror stories of truckers having to deliver to union places and having to go through about 5 people to get their freight unloaded
1) guy to tell you what dock to use 2) guy who unloads fright 3) guy who verifies freight
4) guy who puts away freight
5) guy who signs bills
Now truck drivers They keep America rolling, and I admire almost all of those folks that do that demanding job.
i really wish covers could just cut the crap, and ban bob already. Or better yet, Bob, get the point that nobody here cares what you have to say, and move on. find another forum to try and make friends at
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i really wish covers could just cut the crap, and ban bob already. Or better yet, Bob, get the point that nobody here cares what you have to say, and move on. find another forum to try and make friends at
New investors buy up the assets and re-tool the factories
after a year or so rehire workers who are willing to work for livable wages (15 an hour and normal medical coverage ) no quadruple time for working a Sunday holiday after 40 hours etc
I have even heard horror stories of truckers having to deliver to union places and having to go through about 5 people to get their freight unloaded
1) guy to tell you what dock to use 2) guy who unloads fright 3) guy who verifies freight
4) guy who puts away freight
5) guy who signs bills
Now truck drivers They keep America rolling, and I admire almost all of those folks that do that demanding job.
It really cannot work quite like that though.... The industry will have to stay alive at some level, even if on life support. Yes reorganization and new ownership (hopefully killing off the UAW), but most importantly keeping the industry going.
All the major changes that need to be made can be done like that, but not with the industry goins away for a year. Way too much fallout for that to happen (supply base, etc). There are assembly plants all over the midwest and the south that are the primary economy for these mid-sized communities. Many of them will go away, but hopefully not too many. This is NOT just a Detroit issue.
I would like to see the key design guys stay on. Automotive guys know what I'm talking about. A GM should be a GM product. It's different from a Ford or a Mopar.
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Quote Originally Posted by CapoDiTuttiCapi:
Let them fail
New investors buy up the assets and re-tool the factories
after a year or so rehire workers who are willing to work for livable wages (15 an hour and normal medical coverage ) no quadruple time for working a Sunday holiday after 40 hours etc
I have even heard horror stories of truckers having to deliver to union places and having to go through about 5 people to get their freight unloaded
1) guy to tell you what dock to use 2) guy who unloads fright 3) guy who verifies freight
4) guy who puts away freight
5) guy who signs bills
Now truck drivers They keep America rolling, and I admire almost all of those folks that do that demanding job.
It really cannot work quite like that though.... The industry will have to stay alive at some level, even if on life support. Yes reorganization and new ownership (hopefully killing off the UAW), but most importantly keeping the industry going.
All the major changes that need to be made can be done like that, but not with the industry goins away for a year. Way too much fallout for that to happen (supply base, etc). There are assembly plants all over the midwest and the south that are the primary economy for these mid-sized communities. Many of them will go away, but hopefully not too many. This is NOT just a Detroit issue.
I would like to see the key design guys stay on. Automotive guys know what I'm talking about. A GM should be a GM product. It's different from a Ford or a Mopar.
New investors buy up the assets and re-tool the factories
after a year or so rehire workers who are willing to work for livable wages (15 an hour and normal medical coverage ) no quadruple time for working a Sunday holiday after 40 hours etc
I have even heard horror stories of truckers having to deliver to union places and having to go through about 5 people to get their freight unloaded
1) guy to tell you what dock to use 2) guy who unloads fright 3) guy who verifies freight
4) guy who puts away freight
5) guy who signs bills
Now truck drivers They keep America rolling, and I admire almost all of those folks that do that demanding job.
damn koaj how do you go day in and day out and allow this guy
to make you look like a fool
doesnt pride kick in at some point and you say i dont care if you
agree with my assanine statements i cant have you making me
or covers look like morons
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Quote Originally Posted by CapoDiTuttiCapi:
Let them fail
New investors buy up the assets and re-tool the factories
after a year or so rehire workers who are willing to work for livable wages (15 an hour and normal medical coverage ) no quadruple time for working a Sunday holiday after 40 hours etc
I have even heard horror stories of truckers having to deliver to union places and having to go through about 5 people to get their freight unloaded
1) guy to tell you what dock to use 2) guy who unloads fright 3) guy who verifies freight
4) guy who puts away freight
5) guy who signs bills
Now truck drivers They keep America rolling, and I admire almost all of those folks that do that demanding job.
damn koaj how do you go day in and day out and allow this guy
to make you look like a fool
doesnt pride kick in at some point and you say i dont care if you
agree with my assanine statements i cant have you making me
Anyone who got suckered into that ethanol hype clearly has no idea what they are talking about.
Wind and Solar are still viable sources of renewable energy. And they will only become more efficient as time goes on.
On a side note: My old man is having a geothermal heating system installed currently. And the system works well as it creates heat in winter and acts as an air conditioner in the summer. (Essentially with a heat pump.) Very cool investment. I look forward to seeing how well it works.
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Don't compare ethanol to wind and solar.
Anyone who got suckered into that ethanol hype clearly has no idea what they are talking about.
Wind and Solar are still viable sources of renewable energy. And they will only become more efficient as time goes on.
On a side note: My old man is having a geothermal heating system installed currently. And the system works well as it creates heat in winter and acts as an air conditioner in the summer. (Essentially with a heat pump.) Very cool investment. I look forward to seeing how well it works.
How the hell has oil dropped to the 40's from 150 in july. That is flat out amazing. I would bet that the world is still using over 100 million barrels of oil a day just like it was doing in july.
Also with all the stocks dropping like rocks, who are the actual people making this money? I mean somebody has got to be pocketing this money.
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How the hell has oil dropped to the 40's from 150 in july. That is flat out amazing. I would bet that the world is still using over 100 million barrels of oil a day just like it was doing in july.
Also with all the stocks dropping like rocks, who are the actual people making this money? I mean somebody has got to be pocketing this money.
Anyone who got suckered into that ethanol hype clearly has no idea what they are talking about.
Wind and Solar are still viable sources of renewable energy. And they will only become more efficient as time goes on.
On a side note: My old man is having a geothermal heating system installed currently. And the system works well as it creates heat in winter and acts as an air conditioner in the summer. (Essentially with a heat pump.) Very cool investment. I look forward to seeing how well it works.
Geothermal heating is popping up here in Atlanta. I think it works. Numbers look good. Could be way off but I think I heard it is around $15k to put the basics in but it totally eliminates the heating bill.
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Quote Originally Posted by NASCAR-Sucks:
Don't compare ethanol to wind and solar.
Anyone who got suckered into that ethanol hype clearly has no idea what they are talking about.
Wind and Solar are still viable sources of renewable energy. And they will only become more efficient as time goes on.
On a side note: My old man is having a geothermal heating system installed currently. And the system works well as it creates heat in winter and acts as an air conditioner in the summer. (Essentially with a heat pump.) Very cool investment. I look forward to seeing how well it works.
Geothermal heating is popping up here in Atlanta. I think it works. Numbers look good. Could be way off but I think I heard it is around $15k to put the basics in but it totally eliminates the heating bill.
nascar - i only compared b/c all 3 are supported by government subsidies or tax credits. they arent viable on their own or they would be
cd - there are very few people making money. either you are all cash, short stock, or long short ETFs...thats it and i dont understand bonds enough to explain how to make money there
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nascar - i only compared b/c all 3 are supported by government subsidies or tax credits. they arent viable on their own or they would be
cd - there are very few people making money. either you are all cash, short stock, or long short ETFs...thats it and i dont understand bonds enough to explain how to make money there
Geothermal heating is popping up here in Atlanta. I think it works. Numbers look good. Could be way off but I think I heard it is around $15k to put the basics in but it totally eliminates the heating bill.
My old man has currently spent under 8 Grand. That includes the digging. Mind you this is for a 1 story house with a basement. Not sure on the square footage.
Koaj: How the ethanol craze took over I have no idea. But Solar has the potential to become great. It's not there yet... but it could be.
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Quote Originally Posted by FriedShrimp:
Geothermal heating is popping up here in Atlanta. I think it works. Numbers look good. Could be way off but I think I heard it is around $15k to put the basics in but it totally eliminates the heating bill.
My old man has currently spent under 8 Grand. That includes the digging. Mind you this is for a 1 story house with a basement. Not sure on the square footage.
Koaj: How the ethanol craze took over I have no idea. But Solar has the potential to become great. It's not there yet... but it could be.
nascar - i only compared b/c all 3 are supported by government subsidies or tax credits. they arent viable on their own or they would be
cd - there are very few people making money. either you are all cash, short stock, or long short ETFs...thats it and i dont understand bonds enough to explain how to make money there
Thanks for the info
Looks like my buying citi today wasnt such a idea
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Quote Originally Posted by KOAJ:
nascar - i only compared b/c all 3 are supported by government subsidies or tax credits. they arent viable on their own or they would be
cd - there are very few people making money. either you are all cash, short stock, or long short ETFs...thats it and i dont understand bonds enough to explain how to make money there
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