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Posted: #51
so how could this fantasy be not in conflict with amendment 12
 
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Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:

but that was admended

Amendment XII

The electors shall meet in their respective states and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President, one of whom, at least, shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves; they shall name in their ballots the person voted for as President, and in distinct ballots the person voted for as Vice-President, and they shall make distinct lists of all persons voted for as President, and of all persons voted for as Vice-President, and of the number of votes for each, which lists they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the seat of the government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate;--The President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives

https://www.fairvote.org/faithless_electors
 
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Electoral system is undemocratic.  President is not directly chosen by voters but by electors that people in a State vote for.  One flaw is that States with small populations are over represented.  Whereas States with large populations are under represented.

Most fake news come from social media such as facebook.  According to UBC school of journalism survey, traditional news media is ranked reliable by 83+% of adults.  However 33% for less reliable social media.  With reputations on the line, mainstream media is more likely to filter accurate from inaccurate information.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by darkhorse12:


https://www.fairvote.org/faithless_electors


yes but admendment 12 also allows this .
 The persons elected to the college represent the people that vote for a president and vice president, It does not indicate that that the state tells the person how to vote and what the procedure to electoral colleges to delivering them to the seat of government incase Washington moves its seat of power.
It does not even allow the will of the voter to determine the will of the person casting a ballot.
 
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your party is having conniptions of removing super delegates
you think they will adopt a platform in atlanta 22-23
 to remove those choice voices from the nomination process?..


 
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Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

Electoral system is undemocratic.  President is not directly chosen by voters but by electors that people in a State vote for.  One flaw is that States with small populations are over represented.  Whereas States with large populations are under represented.

Most fake news come from social media such as facebook.  According to UBC school of journalism survey, traditional news media is ranked reliable by 83+% of adults.  However 33% for less reliable social media.  With reputations on the line, mainstream media is more likely to filter accurate from inaccurate information.


yes i watch a lot of news. (this is a wait at sea banter about nothing we do not want to seem serious resort to name calling or such)
we all like to break the news that everything is good Trump is on it and Prime Minister Abe may broker the greatest treaty in his career.)

in the meantime... i do not believe 83 percent find the Multi State Media sources (the ones we have here) reports the correctly all the time.
 
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Flynn resigns. So much for "Fake News", CNN broke that story perfectly. The wheels are falling off the bus. Speaking of impeachment last night, it appears the oddsmakers think that could happen or he will just resign, like flynn. 

The Don's mental and physical health are taking a serious beating. Its funny how he was ripping on Hillary about health and stamina and word is he is suffering pretty badly. Oh wait, that is probably fake news and he is as healthy as a horse!

https://www.inquisitr.com/3979302/donald-trump-polls-impeachment-betting-odds-resign-approval-rating-unfavorable-resignation/
 
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sounds like a news station wrote a study, to claim how good they were.
obvious bias there with a number that high? are you getting all worked up by fake news sources as well...friggin; epidemic ..err Academic
 
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Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:

well we have federal courts that decide these matters...


so what you are stating is that this matter when challenge lacks all merit and should not proceed to trial.
that a state can within a group collectively design the will of the electorate, without further amending the constitution

 and that in this case this should not be heard in at least a hearing trial process?
 
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dark horse, " What law was that?"

well this is admendment 12 in its entirety and the last time the will of the electorate was amendmend.

12th Amendment

Amendment XII

The electors shall meet in their respective states and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President, one of whom, at least, shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves; they shall name in their ballots the person voted for as President, and in distinct ballots the person voted for as Vice-President, and they shall make distinct lists of all persons voted for as President, and of all persons voted for as Vice-President, and of the number of votes for each, which lists they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the seat of the government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate;--The President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates and the votes shall then be counted;--the person having the greatest number of votes for President, shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of electors appointed; and if no person have such majority, then from the persons having the highest numbers not exceeding three on the list of those voted for as President, the House of Representatives shall choose immediately, by ballot, the President. But in choosing the President, the votes shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote; a quorum for this purpose shall consist of a member or members from two-thirds of the states, and a majority of all the states shall be necessary to a choice. And if the House of Representatives shall not choose a President whenever the right of choice shall devolve upon them, before the fourth day of March next following, then the Vice-President shall act as President, as in the case of the death or other constitutional disability of the President. The person having the greatest number of votes as Vice-President, shall be the Vice-President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of electors appointed, and if no person have a majority, then from the two highest numbers on the list, the Senate shall choose the Vice-President; a quorum for the purpose shall consist of two-thirds of the whole number of Senators, and a majority of the whole number shall be necessary to a choice. But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States.

 
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Quote Originally Posted by HailFlutie:

Flynn resigns. So much for "Fake News", CNN broke that story perfectly. The wheels are falling off the bus. Speaking of impeachment last night, it appears the oddsmakers think that could happen or he will just resign, like flynn. 

The Don's mental and physical health are taking a serious beating. Its funny how he was ripping on Hillary about health and stamina and word is he is suffering pretty badly. Oh wait, that is probably fake news and he is as healthy as a horse!

https://www.inquisitr.com/3979302/donald-trump-polls-impeachment-betting-odds-resign-approval-rating-unfavorable-resignation/


yes he has many pawns at his disposal. They serve at the will of the president do not worry he also apointed a second teir of secretaries, directors acting directors in those areas that the advisor is a layer to that umbrella.
 
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 have always found this to one of

 the most reputable news sources in the industry.

https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/20170214_19/

They have a watch the latest edition of news link.

This is the Official station for English viewership of Japan.



 
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Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

Electoral system is undemocratic.  President is not directly chosen by voters but by electors that people in a State vote for.  One flaw is that States with small populations are over represented.  Whereas States with large populations are under represented.

Most fake news come from social media such as facebook.  According to UBC school of journalism survey, traditional news media is ranked reliable by 83+% of adults.  However 33% for less reliable social media.  With reputations on the line, mainstream media is more likely to filter accurate from inaccurate information.


Do you understand how difficult it is to do see all those service members, office holder types. have sworn an oath to protect and defend that document.

the spirit of that document as I applies to these times were given space on the document as It can be amended legally and bind to the importance o little pages in that document. I do not remember being removed from that oath.


 
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thank you dark horse for participating in this demonstration

see in this banter dark horse revealed his way to fix this problem he feels strongly enough to debate. notice closely i did not say he lives in a fantasy land and i did not debate whetther the idea he so choose to believe in to debate me over was good idea or a bad idea.

no his way would set up for a failure in courts. and all that time would be wasted in moving this idea to reality would be for not. I simply showed how this idea could actually be implemented.
citizens like dark horse have heard an augment before and people actually arguing. this is not scary to him.

but in a clever way I showed him that their was a big atlanta rally april 22-23, where the DNC chairperson will be determined. and that the plank is being formed to say what the democratic loons are for... not just against. he reconizes shummer is in a run out the clock defense he has a year to allow no big win for the republicans so democrats can start taking back their houses and he is ok with that.
this 50 state stradegy is a plank gaining traction within the ranks and might become the vehical for the democrats to win washington power back... but he realizes that his party is littered with a bunch of burned out envelope stuffers who is losing vision of their party and trust in the institutions that system has made.

I would like to see Donald Trump make america better than it was ever before. and really i could care what party is hurt or helped in the process.

 
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thank you sundance for your particpation in this excersise.

i am sure you your self are wondering why would a white house aid get orlando and atlanta so confused in a subtle but vague hint i also clued you in to a future possible scenario that likely link back to some nazi movement after the fact taking part in atlanta in april as well so him and people like him can stop concentrating on past puzzles and maybe we can uncover future possibilities to thrawrt....
 
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as always sundance you are the man been working on these "insane" conspiracy theories yourself. and appreciate any input you can offer to furthur the cause.
 
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I had a great map to show how 99% of the land voted Red in November. There are 3.8 million square miles in the US. The Right controls about 3.6 million square miles of the land in the US. The powerful Left looks like 200,000 square miles.
 
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i know it like a gammy award speech
i like to thank the mods and management to given us a platform to openly debate issues we feel are relevent in our own pursuit of happiness and and individuals right to choose ...
 
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Quote Originally Posted by sundance:

I had a great map to show how 99% of the land voted Red in November. There are 3.8 million square miles in the US. The Right controls about 3.6 million square miles of the land in the US. The powerful Left looks like 200,000 square miles.

do not worry the democrats will still view us all as fly over states. but sooner the youngsters realize it not them it the established leadership that is so dishonest good time they speed up the learning curve of not what is wrong..
but how do they actually change these things they feel are wrong. and what types of availible vehicals allow for such change 
 
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Trump has looked at 50 years of past policy failures and descided not to proceed in this matter those ways.

i know that it is hard to take but he feels stongly that governments in there respective areas if given a chance to negotiate in their respective area that all options be given for them to reach lasting partnership agreements.

i know this might be a little bad news to all the sword makers and their prospective shareholders but trump is going to proceed to be indepoendent at the party concerned reach agreements.
without holding pre existing conditions on the process in what ever means. 
only pledging the support of the federal government that we do have our allies back and we will not undermine those interests
as a lasting peace accord is determined.

yes and Kim un's illegitamte half brother 'nam, is found dead in south korea. 
 
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Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:

Trump has looked at 50 years of past policy failures and descided not to proceed in this matter those ways.

i know that it is hard to take but he feels stongly that governments in there respective areas if given a chance to negotiate in their respective area that all options be given for them to reach lasting partnership agreements.

i know this might be a little bad news to all the sword makers and their prospective shareholders but trump is going to proceed to be indepoendent at the party concerned reach agreements.
without holding pre existing conditions on the process in what ever means. 
only pledging the support of the federal government that we do have our allies back and we will not undermine those interests
as a lasting peace accord is determined.

yes and Kim un's illegitamte half brother 'nam, is found dead in south korea. 

15,000 posts and not one with coherency 
 
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okay I understand , you like to be spoon fed like James Steinbeck gives you.
it is okay that Alice in wonderland may have hidden meanings.
you do not have understand I am not Judging.

although after reading 15,000 Appalachia posts of what would seem
of many mad men rantings.

 some times it is good to go to things you like to see and how you might like them written sir?


 
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in so much as i have a few clerical skills,
when i really do try.
in the above post you quoted.

Trump is negotiating with a new approach.
he is allowing a one or two state nation of Israel
come to pass, as Israel, Palistines and any other moderate
arabic governments that wish to be heard in the process
a way they can reach a resolution stage

as they determine,

 he is taking a similar strategy with the Korean Peninsula, he has given Prime minister of Japan full and unconditional support in this endeavor, as well as Benjamin Natenyahoo government similar support
 
he has sent advisors to hear the sides story so they can come back and explain these factions wishes should talks break down to the President should talks break down The president has his main group of negotiators waiting to back previous assignments.

which is different than what previous administrations approach calling for Chuck's rebuttal as unprecedented. If peace is achieved.
defense stocks could take a hit on wall street.

and this stat could be an indicator of how talks are proceeding behind close doors.

 
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Trump's team, VP Pence, and Tillerson are in Germany.

talking with their respective counterparts and other leaders of Trump goals and what that means to Nato, Russia and other global industrialized nations.

Ambassador and Trump's Son in law are heading to Israel to discuss Palestine Israeli interests Egypt stated their will be no Palestine state in the Sinai peninsula.

as well as Iranian concerns.

Trump is in white house south station (florida) and taking a we are here for the American workers . Highlighting accomplishments in the whole 32 days he has held The Office of The President of The United States.

White house press corp is in fits for not being allowed a question.

and the Sunday talk shows are coming up at the top of the hour.
I will watch face the nation. may god help us all.


 
 
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Jake Tapper in 4 minutes. I agree. God help us all.
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