UPS, Citing ObamaCare, Won’t Insure Spouses Of 15,000 Employees

Anyway, this is nice:

UPS spouses may have difficulty finding similar coverage at their own employers. The $500 in-network family deductible for UPS’s basic plan, for example, is less than the nationwide average of $733, according to the Kaiser Family Foundation

So is this:

"those days of where you used to sit down with your spouse and go over each other's benefit plans and pick the best one, those days are probably over."

Quote Originally Posted by Ktrain:

It's always fun to watch Wall and 14 have a pissing match with each other. 

+1

Wow.

You didn't say they were lying, you said they were making it up!

I guess giving the media a "made up" figure isn't "lying" it is....well, you can guess what it is.

Everything you've posted is factually false. To see how & why, re-read the above until it sinks in.

All of them.

And to prove it: we see someone say UPS is "struggling" (when they think it is convenient) then we see the same someone say that $60 million in health care costs is "chump change" (there is no "struggling" company in the history of the world that would have $60 million be chump change) when that false statement didn't pan out.

Now that the % of the earnings relative to the $60 million has been pointed out, and the other 2 tactics didn't work, you're now demanding total health care cost outlays as if that advances any discussion.

Here is a tip: when facts are presented to you and your 1st, and continued, response to facts is to deny them, you're not able to "call out" anyone or anything.

I'd add: your comments have followed a pattern typical of someone who has no actual interest in the topic and is perhaps trolling. Which is:

1. Pretend "what is the big deal" (post 6)

2. Make stuff up/look to change the topic (post 10, 28)

3. When disputing facts becomes too laughable, blame the source (post 33)

4. Engage in self-refuting and contradictory posts (post 6, 28, 48) and circle back to it is all "made up"

As we see you don't see to want to do anything other than say "nuh-uh" when ObamaCare is criticized.

Well, yes I have, and I guess people who say things such as: "I didnt say they were lying, I said they were making up figures" aren't going to get it.

Which is fine.

As I said, your posts on this topic have been quite revealing.

Looks like Republican are not the only ones pointing fingers and bashing  Obamacare ..

The AFL-CIO in Nevada has passed a resolution to openly criticize the Obama administration over Obamacare, again stressing the situation needs to be fixed by the very people who created it.

The resolution claims the law could end up "destroying" the unions' multi-employer health plans if the administration doesn't come up with a regulatory fix.

"We want to hold the president to his word that you can keep the plan you like," UNITE-HERE President D.Taylor added.

Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

So if a worker has a spouse that has coverage with another plan then they arent able to be covered with the UPS plan.

How is that a disaster? Smells like UPS trying to save some coin and blame the government again.

If its not the governments "fault" , whos is it? Who else is pushing Obama Care?

Of course UPS is gonna try to save money, they are in the business of making money. Not sure why you always try to defend the government and assume they arent gonna f uck people....

I dont know how you do it man. 14 beats you in every thread. EVERY single one. He knows more about this than you do. Sure, you sound intelligent, but all your post come back to "i dont believe it " or "i dont believe your proof".

Honestly, I dont know why he argues with you. I guess maybe because you represent the american public that thinks they know whats going on becuase they watch cnn .....

Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

Yeah of course you are on his side, you have a chip on your shoulder and share the same characteristics..try and act tough, come with no substance and get all pissy when someone calls you on it.

Great example in this thread..what have you done outside make a few snide comments towards me? Anything at all?

Keep trying to attack, it makes you look weak..if you want to come at me, keep the personal garbage out..come with debatable content and be respectful or dont be shocked when I reply to the above crap you try and smear.

So why did UPS need to blame the government again? Why this year are they b!tching when for the last two decades the costs of healtcare keep going up and up and up..

Corps who blame the government for their shortcomings are acting like spoiled children..UPS has enough money on hand where they could EASILY shoulder the cost and not cry about it. MANY corporations deal with rising costs and arent babies like this.

I'm on his side because hes right. Silly me.

You keep talking about this tough guy....where is he?

I work in the healthcare industry and read and hear people/doctors etc talk everyday. I know more about whats "real" than most on this site for sure.

Healthcare has been rising for the last 2 decades, true. Now, in a year, its getting ready to EXPLODE. many corporations do deal with it, but many WONT in the next couple years. I dont know where your debatable content is......

The writings on the wall....pun intended.

Daroad, you should be happy as hell over this clause in obamacare, since it helps companies save money and we all now how you are a huge corporation groupie.

This means now if both spouses work jobs that provide health insurance, then each spuse needs to get their insurance from their own employee.  As it is now, a lot of companies and public jobs, a spouse can get a nice big fat check to take the other spouses insurance plan.

Lets do an example, husband works at UPS, wife works as a teacher.  The wife takes lets say 8k buyout not to take husbands insurance plan.  So UPS has to pay more for employees insurance plan.

Now with the clause, UPS wont have to pay for the wifes plan, thus saving the corporation money, which we all know you love to see.

So really being upset about a corporation saving some money doesnt make sense coming from a corporation cheerleader.

Truth is you are a bitter person who just loves to spend all your time posting on a gambling forum about Obama.

In 10 years you are going to look back on your life and wish that you hadnt wasted 8 years of life bashing Obama everyday.  It will be to late thou, because you cant get those minutes back.  Now carry on Grumpy

Despite claims, businesses aren't dropping health benefits en masse in response to rising costs and Obamacare reforms.  According to Kaiser Foundation survey of over 2000 companies, share of companies offering benefits is 57% which is about the same as 2012.  Also average 4% increase in premiums in 2013 which is less than in previous years. 

Healthcare reform isn't supposed to benefit the healthy.  It is designed to serve needs of the sickest and most vulnerable.  Obamacare prevents insurers denying coverage.  Guaranteed coverage is supported by a majority of Americans.