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    Cleveland at Cincinnati (11/06/2014)

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    Posted: Nov. 2, 2014 - 7:51 AM ET #1

    Away:  Cleveland [4-2-2 ATS]
    Home:  Cincinnati [4-3-1 ATS]

    Game Time: 8:25 PM
    Stadium: Paul Brown Stadium

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    Recent Meetings:
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    Cleveland:
    Passing: Brian Hoyer (2022)
    Rushing: Ben Tate (308)
    Receiving: Andrew Hawkins (504)

    Cincinnati:
    Passing: Andy Dalton (1874)
    Rushing: Giovani Bernard (446)
    Receiving: Mohamed Sanu (628)

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    Away:  Cleveland [4-2-2 ATS]
    Home:  Cincinnati [4-3-1 ATS]

    Game Time: 8:25 PM
    Stadium: Paul Brown Stadium

    Featured Lines

    Recent Meetings:
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    Team Leaders:

    Cleveland:
    Passing: Brian Hoyer (2022)
    Rushing: Ben Tate (308)
    Receiving: Andrew Hawkins (504)

    Cincinnati:
    Passing: Andy Dalton (1874)
    Rushing: Giovani Bernard (446)
    Receiving: Mohamed Sanu (628)

     
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    Posted: Nov. 4, 2014 - 4:43 AM ET #2

    Take the home team.  Cincy & Thu night home teams have been good picks to cover.  6 points is easy since they have AJ Green & Marcus Sanu receiving the ball.  Sanu is definitely good enough to cover for Green in his absence so now they have 2 wonderful targets to throw too.  Take them now if you can, if Bernard plays expect this spread to go up to at least 8 easy but I wouldn't count on that.

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    Take the home team.  Cincy & Thu night home teams have been good picks to cover.  6 points is easy since they have AJ Green & Marcus Sanu receiving the ball.  Sanu is definitely good enough to cover for Green in his absence so now they have 2 wonderful targets to throw too.  Take them now if you can, if Bernard plays expect this spread to go up to at least 8 easy but I wouldn't count on that.

     
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    Posted: Nov. 4, 2014 - 6:19 AM ET #3

    The intangible pushes this one. Bengals by dd's.
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    Breakabookie here...

    This game stands out as an early upset special.... 6 points way too much for this matchup...

    I expect a close outcome on short rest....

    Cleveland and the points for me with a small moneyline play.... division rivalry in windy/cold conditions.

    GL to all!
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    Breakabookie here...

    This game stands out as an early upset special.... 6 points way too much for this matchup...

    I expect a close outcome on short rest....

    Cleveland and the points for me with a small moneyline play.... division rivalry in windy/cold conditions.

    GL to all!
     
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    Posted: Nov. 4, 2014 - 3:21 PM ET #5

    Quote Originally Posted by Xyberz:

    Take the home team.  Cincy & Thu night home teams have been good picks to cover.  6 points is easy since they have AJ Green & Marcus Sanu receiving the ball. 

    Database gives me two bengals thursday night games. Although they were both covered by the bengals, they happened in 2006 and 1997. Not really a stat to rely on. And cmon, Marcus Sanu? I really wonder how people can justify a pick by relying on nostalgic stats and non-existing players....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xyberz:

    Take the home team.  Cincy & Thu night home teams have been good picks to cover.  6 points is easy since they have AJ Green & Marcus Sanu receiving the ball. 

    Database gives me two bengals thursday night games. Although they were both covered by the bengals, they happened in 2006 and 1997. Not really a stat to rely on. And cmon, Marcus Sanu? I really wonder how people can justify a pick by relying on nostalgic stats and non-existing players....
     
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    Posted: Nov. 4, 2014 - 7:19 PM ET #6

    I also love the under on short rest from two below average offenses
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    Posted: Nov. 4, 2014 - 10:33 PM ET #7

    Quote Originally Posted by Kranked:


    Database gives me two bengals thursday night games. Although they were both covered by the bengals, they happened in 2006 and 1997. Not really a stat to rely on. And cmon, Marcus Sanu? I really wonder how people can justify a pick by relying on nostalgic stats and non-existing players....

    You don't play fantasy football do you?  They actually track real time game stats on every player, including the crappy ones.  I can tell you this, in Green's absence, Sanu has done pretty damn well as their #1 receiver.  In the last 4 games, he's had 100+ yards in 3 with 2 TD's.  Green was even playing in the last game after coming back from his toe injury and was still thrown to for more times.

    Now Green a little healthier than Sunday.  Of course missing Bernard is gonna hurt a little but they can get this spread covered.  

    Plus Cleveland giving up the 8th most points to wide receivers in the league only helps the duo.  If you don't got a run game, then you'll resort to the air, something Cleveland isn't known for defending very well.  

    Looking for Cincy to score about 30 points or so with the Browns to maybe get about 17-20.  

    Also, nostalgic stats are all part of betting if you haven't realized it yet.  Sadly even though he's my QB, look at the past results of Manning in Gillette Stadium.  I had to turn my cheek and bet against him this previous weeks due to "nostalgic" stats and boy, I sure wasn't wrong!
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    Database gives me two bengals thursday night games. Although they were both covered by the bengals, they happened in 2006 and 1997. Not really a stat to rely on. And cmon, Marcus Sanu? I really wonder how people can justify a pick by relying on nostalgic stats and non-existing players....

    You don't play fantasy football do you?  They actually track real time game stats on every player, including the crappy ones.  I can tell you this, in Green's absence, Sanu has done pretty damn well as their #1 receiver.  In the last 4 games, he's had 100+ yards in 3 with 2 TD's.  Green was even playing in the last game after coming back from his toe injury and was still thrown to for more times.

    Now Green a little healthier than Sunday.  Of course missing Bernard is gonna hurt a little but they can get this spread covered.  

    Plus Cleveland giving up the 8th most points to wide receivers in the league only helps the duo.  If you don't got a run game, then you'll resort to the air, something Cleveland isn't known for defending very well.  

    Looking for Cincy to score about 30 points or so with the Browns to maybe get about 17-20.  

    Also, nostalgic stats are all part of betting if you haven't realized it yet.  Sadly even though he's my QB, look at the past results of Manning in Gillette Stadium.  I had to turn my cheek and bet against him this previous weeks due to "nostalgic" stats and boy, I sure wasn't wrong!
     
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    Posted: Nov. 4, 2014 - 10:38 PM ET #8

    P.S. Cincy is 3-1-1 at home ATS while the Browns are 1-2-1 on the road.  

    The Browns team is overrated and beat good teams when everyone was having a pretty tough month.  Now we see the true teams emerging that are playoff contenders and the pretenders will get their legs cut out from under them. 

    At best, they've proved that they're able to be average and not their usual bottom of the league selves.  

    IF this was a playoff game, I'd have to take the Browns seeing how poorly Cincy has performed there.
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    P.S. Cincy is 3-1-1 at home ATS while the Browns are 1-2-1 on the road.  

    The Browns team is overrated and beat good teams when everyone was having a pretty tough month.  Now we see the true teams emerging that are playoff contenders and the pretenders will get their legs cut out from under them. 

    At best, they've proved that they're able to be average and not their usual bottom of the league selves.  

    IF this was a playoff game, I'd have to take the Browns seeing how poorly Cincy has performed there.
     
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    You cant compare Mannings record to your mentioned Bengals TNF stats. Of course it's wise to look back how a certain player did in a specific spot. But justify a pick with a sample-size of 2 games? The Bengals were a complete different team back in 2006 - and a complete different franchise in 1997. Do you look at the Broncos stats from '92 to '95 if wanna know about their chances winning a game today? Looking at stats is just smart if you interpret them the right way!

    I play fantasy football, and i know: Fantasy Football is not Real Football. I started Eli yesterday - 20+ points - did he play well? No, he played complete bullshit until the 4th quarter...just garbage time points.

    That being said, Dalton struggles, the Defense is far away from its form of recent years. Dont get me wrong, i dont think the browns will walk in and blow the bengals off the field. If you think the bengals are the better play here - fine - but I just wanted you to reconsider why the bengals are such a good play?

    Some Bengals stats:

    - cumulated ATS Margin over the last 5 games: -59
    - avg passing yards per game L3: 191
    - opponents rush yard per attemp L3: 4.8

    I would not bet on a team thats struggling on both sides of the ball recently.



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    You cant compare Mannings record to your mentioned Bengals TNF stats. Of course it's wise to look back how a certain player did in a specific spot. But justify a pick with a sample-size of 2 games? The Bengals were a complete different team back in 2006 - and a complete different franchise in 1997. Do you look at the Broncos stats from '92 to '95 if wanna know about their chances winning a game today? Looking at stats is just smart if you interpret them the right way!

    I play fantasy football, and i know: Fantasy Football is not Real Football. I started Eli yesterday - 20+ points - did he play well? No, he played complete bullshit until the 4th quarter...just garbage time points.

    That being said, Dalton struggles, the Defense is far away from its form of recent years. Dont get me wrong, i dont think the browns will walk in and blow the bengals off the field. If you think the bengals are the better play here - fine - but I just wanted you to reconsider why the bengals are such a good play?

    Some Bengals stats:

    - cumulated ATS Margin over the last 5 games: -59
    - avg passing yards per game L3: 191
    - opponents rush yard per attemp L3: 4.8

    I would not bet on a team thats struggling on both sides of the ball recently.



     
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    Posted: Nov. 5, 2014 - 2:08 AM ET #10

    CLEVELAND      +    6.5

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    Posted: Nov. 5, 2014 - 3:19 AM ET #11

    Cincinnati - 6 Over Cleveland!

    Home-away points for / points against:  Cincinnati + 17!

    Cleveland now 0-17 vs. AFC North on the road!

    "Over" is 5-1 in the last 6 meetings!

    "Over" is 8-3 in Bengals last 11 home games!

    Bengals now 13-0-1 at home in their last 3 seasons!

    Cincinnati - 6 (buying down to 6) Over Cleveland!  3 Units!  

    Cleveland / Cincinnati "Over" 44.5!   3 Units!  

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    Cincinnati - 6 Over Cleveland!

    Home-away points for / points against:  Cincinnati + 17!

    Cleveland now 0-17 vs. AFC North on the road!

    "Over" is 5-1 in the last 6 meetings!

    "Over" is 8-3 in Bengals last 11 home games!

    Bengals now 13-0-1 at home in their last 3 seasons!

    Cincinnati - 6 (buying down to 6) Over Cleveland!  3 Units!  

    Cleveland / Cincinnati "Over" 44.5!   3 Units!  

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    Posted: Nov. 5, 2014 - 3:20 AM ET #12

    Taking Cleveland +6.5. Bengals are overrated and they find reasons  to lose the game. 


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kranked:

    You cant compare Mannings record to your mentioned Bengals TNF stats. Of course it's wise to look back how a certain player did in a specific spot. But justify a pick with a sample-size of 2 games? The Bengals were a complete different team back in 2006 - and a complete different franchise in 1997. Do you look at the Broncos stats from '92 to '95 if wanna know about their chances winning a game today? Looking at stats is just smart if you interpret them the right way!

    I play fantasy football, and i know: Fantasy Football is not Real Football. I started Eli yesterday - 20+ points - did he play well? No, he played complete bullshit until the 4th quarter...just garbage time points.

    That being said, Dalton struggles, the Defense is far away from its form of recent years. Dont get me wrong, i dont think the browns will walk in and blow the bengals off the field. If you think the bengals are the better play here - fine - but I just wanted you to reconsider why the bengals are such a good play?

    Some Bengals stats:

    - cumulated ATS Margin over the last 5 games: -59
    - avg passing yards per game L3: 191
    - opponents rush yard per attemp L3: 4.8

    I would not bet on a team thats struggling on both sides of the ball recently.




    Do you listen to what you even post?  How many times just this season alone where "garbage time" fantasy points ends up giving the favorite team a nail biting loss.  Hmmm...Lemme make a really easy example just off one game alone this previous Sunday.

    Raiders getting 15 points on the road in Seattle, getting BLOWN out at the half easily covering that spread, comes all the way BACK within 6 points and just lost the onside catch after they dropped the ball.  

    So explain to me how garbage time scores don't count towards a spread?

    I'll explain why I believe that the Bengals are the better play.  

    1. They're better at home and their record proves it
    2. Cleveland sucks on the road and their record proves it
    3. Bengals have a little healthier Green on Thu over Sun
    4. They have 1 star receiver and 1 good receiver that's noticed now
    5. They will have to resort to more of an air attack if Bernard doesn't play
    6. Cincy typically airs the ball out more than Cleveland and will do so more this Thu because of #5
    7. Browns average a little over 20 points on the road.
    8. Cincy averages almost 31 points at home

    The differential between #7-8 makes me feel that Cincy will cover since it's almost an 11 point difference.

    I've checked the other stats such as offense, defense, etc and it's not enough of a difference to make me worried that Cincy can't cover the spread.  

    If you spot something good worth nothing the other way, I'm genuinely interested because in the end, we're all here to help each other win money, not gripe about who is better than who or who's team is the best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kranked:

    You cant compare Mannings record to your mentioned Bengals TNF stats. Of course it's wise to look back how a certain player did in a specific spot. But justify a pick with a sample-size of 2 games? The Bengals were a complete different team back in 2006 - and a complete different franchise in 1997. Do you look at the Broncos stats from '92 to '95 if wanna know about their chances winning a game today? Looking at stats is just smart if you interpret them the right way!

    I play fantasy football, and i know: Fantasy Football is not Real Football. I started Eli yesterday - 20+ points - did he play well? No, he played complete bullshit until the 4th quarter...just garbage time points.

    That being said, Dalton struggles, the Defense is far away from its form of recent years. Dont get me wrong, i dont think the browns will walk in and blow the bengals off the field. If you think the bengals are the better play here - fine - but I just wanted you to reconsider why the bengals are such a good play?

    Some Bengals stats:

    - cumulated ATS Margin over the last 5 games: -59
    - avg passing yards per game L3: 191
    - opponents rush yard per attemp L3: 4.8

    I would not bet on a team thats struggling on both sides of the ball recently.




    Do you listen to what you even post?  How many times just this season alone where "garbage time" fantasy points ends up giving the favorite team a nail biting loss.  Hmmm...Lemme make a really easy example just off one game alone this previous Sunday.

    Raiders getting 15 points on the road in Seattle, getting BLOWN out at the half easily covering that spread, comes all the way BACK within 6 points and just lost the onside catch after they dropped the ball.  

    So explain to me how garbage time scores don't count towards a spread?

    I'll explain why I believe that the Bengals are the better play.  

    1. They're better at home and their record proves it
    2. Cleveland sucks on the road and their record proves it
    3. Bengals have a little healthier Green on Thu over Sun
    4. They have 1 star receiver and 1 good receiver that's noticed now
    5. They will have to resort to more of an air attack if Bernard doesn't play
    6. Cincy typically airs the ball out more than Cleveland and will do so more this Thu because of #5
    7. Browns average a little over 20 points on the road.
    8. Cincy averages almost 31 points at home

    The differential between #7-8 makes me feel that Cincy will cover since it's almost an 11 point difference.

    I've checked the other stats such as offense, defense, etc and it's not enough of a difference to make me worried that Cincy can't cover the spread.  

    If you spot something good worth nothing the other way, I'm genuinely interested because in the end, we're all here to help each other win money, not gripe about who is better than who or who's team is the best.

     
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    Posted: Nov. 5, 2014 - 4:46 AM ET #14

    P.S. The garbage time scores by the Giants helped me to win the MNF over since I didn't know who was gonna cover even though I liked Indy better even after the blowout loss to Pitt.
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    P.S. The garbage time scores by the Giants helped me to win the MNF over since I didn't know who was gonna cover even though I liked Indy better even after the blowout loss to Pitt.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 5, 2014 - 5:15 AM ET #15

    CINCY -6.5 is the play.  GL
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    Posted: Nov. 5, 2014 - 7:10 AM ET #16

    Cleveland + 6
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    Posted: Nov. 5, 2014 - 8:12 AM ET #17

    Andy Dalton is terrible in prime time. He is 2-7 (ATS & SU) in the last 2 seasons in prime time games. The Bengals' defense will be missing a few key pieces and I doubt they get the job done against a motivated Browns team. The Browns will play their butts off knowing they can get the division lead. I like the Browns to cover and keep the score within FG range.
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    Andy Dalton is terrible in prime time. He is 2-7 (ATS & SU) in the last 2 seasons in prime time games. The Bengals' defense will be missing a few key pieces and I doubt they get the job done against a motivated Browns team. The Browns will play their butts off knowing they can get the division lead. I like the Browns to cover and keep the score within FG range.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 5, 2014 - 9:02 AM ET #18

    There is a difference between winning the game and covering it. Yes AJ Green will be back, which will be a huge help to the offense. But I think it will the Cincy defense that will let the Browns keep this game within ix.

    Cleveland +6 and the over for a small play.
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    There is a difference between winning the game and covering it. Yes AJ Green will be back, which will be a huge help to the offense. But I think it will the Cincy defense that will let the Browns keep this game within ix.

    Cleveland +6 and the over for a small play.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 5, 2014 - 11:31 AM ET #19

    Good game to tease...Cincinnati over small play
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    Posted: Nov. 5, 2014 - 1:56 PM ET #20

    cleveland   and   unders
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    Posted: Nov. 5, 2014 - 2:07 PM ET #21

    im from cleveland and i want to take the points but the browns are banged up too Cameron is out in deff. So i could see cinci covering here but i sure do love divisional games and taking the points
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    im from cleveland and i want to take the points but the browns are banged up too Cameron is out in deff. So i could see cinci covering here but i sure do love divisional games and taking the points
     
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    Posted: Nov. 5, 2014 - 2:32 PM ET #22

    27-17 Battlecats
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    Posted: Nov. 5, 2014 - 3:22 PM ET #23

    slight lean to take the points with the Browns...their run game (or lack thereof) since Mack got injured worries me.
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    slight lean to take the points with the Browns...their run game (or lack thereof) since Mack got injured worries me.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 5, 2014 - 6:58 PM ET #24

    Cinci has been nearly unbeatable at home, they will win this game SU. Cleveland has not won a division road game in years. 

    Cinci will cover with Sanu, a healthier Green

    Cleveland will help cinci cover with their dismal run game and no cameron.
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    Cinci has been nearly unbeatable at home, they will win this game SU. Cleveland has not won a division road game in years. 

    Cinci will cover with Sanu, a healthier Green

    Cleveland will help cinci cover with their dismal run game and no cameron.
     
     
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    Posted: Nov. 5, 2014 - 8:06 PM ET #25

    Quote Originally Posted by vue21849:

    CLEVELAND      +    6.5


    Hi Vue....is there a way for me to see your last 10 picks?
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    CLEVELAND      +    6.5


    Hi Vue....is there a way for me to see your last 10 picks?
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