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    Washington at Baltimore (12/07/2008)

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    Posted: Dec. 2, 2008 - 2:11 AM ET #1

    Away:  Washington [5-6-1 ATS]
    Home:  Baltimore [9-3 ATS]

    Game Time: 8:15 PM
    Stadium: M&T Bank Stadium

    Recent Meetings:
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    Team Leaders:

    Washington:
    Passing: Jason Campbell (2560)
    Rushing: Clinton Portis (1228)
    Receiving: Santana Moss (828)

    Baltimore:
    Passing: Joe Flacco (2276)
    Rushing: Le'Ron McClain (519)
    Receiving: Derrick Mason (811)

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    Away:  Washington [5-6-1 ATS]
    Home:  Baltimore [9-3 ATS]

    Game Time: 8:15 PM
    Stadium: M&T Bank Stadium

    Recent Meetings:
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    Team Leaders:

    Washington:
    Passing: Jason Campbell (2560)
    Rushing: Clinton Portis (1228)
    Receiving: Santana Moss (828)

    Baltimore:
    Passing: Joe Flacco (2276)
    Rushing: Le'Ron McClain (519)
    Receiving: Derrick Mason (811)

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    Posted: Dec. 2, 2008 - 9:08 PM ET #2

    Under 35.5.  Skins will be lucky to score offensive TD's in this one.
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    Posted: Dec. 3, 2008 - 10:41 PM ET #3

    I've been riding high with the Ravens & the Falcons all year long!! Redskins are falling apart lately like the stinkin' Buffalo Bills, and what are they gonna do now that they're facing a good defense and on the road no less?? AND HOW THE F--- DO YOU LOSE AT HOME TO THE F---ING LAMBS?!?!?!?!
    Ravens by at least 10..... 
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    I've been riding high with the Ravens & the Falcons all year long!! Redskins are falling apart lately like the stinkin' Buffalo Bills, and what are they gonna do now that they're facing a good defense and on the road no less?? AND HOW THE F--- DO YOU LOSE AT HOME TO THE F---ING LAMBS?!?!?!?!
    Ravens by at least 10..... 
     
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    Posted: Dec. 4, 2008 - 11:55 AM ET #4

    Ravens by 13+
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    Posted: Dec. 4, 2008 - 2:43 PM ET #5

    Double whammy for inept JV washington redskins...  primetime and playing against one of the top DEF...  smart play ML ravens.

    Skins are way too predictable on offense and soft on defense line when game is going into 4th qtr of every game past couple months.

    Problems that you cannot fix during the season... old beat-up offensive line,  no longer any weapons w/ c.p. and moss banged up.
    James thrash, randel-el, D. thomas,  all have no business starting in the NFL.  
    What the fck happen to c. cooley this guy became average pretty damn quick after the new contract... I thought this guy was suppose to have a stellar year.

    This team cannot even convert on 3rd downs... seems they come up short 1-2 yards everytime... who's to blame stupid recievers or regressing j.c.?

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    Double whammy for inept JV washington redskins...  primetime and playing against one of the top DEF...  smart play ML ravens.

    Skins are way too predictable on offense and soft on defense line when game is going into 4th qtr of every game past couple months.

    Problems that you cannot fix during the season... old beat-up offensive line,  no longer any weapons w/ c.p. and moss banged up.
    James thrash, randel-el, D. thomas,  all have no business starting in the NFL.  
    What the fck happen to c. cooley this guy became average pretty damn quick after the new contract... I thought this guy was suppose to have a stellar year.

    This team cannot even convert on 3rd downs... seems they come up short 1-2 yards everytime... who's to blame stupid recievers or regressing j.c.?

     
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    Posted: Dec. 4, 2008 - 3:08 PM ET #6

    Quote Originally Posted by Boludojones:

    I've been riding high with the Ravens & the Falcons all year long!! Redskins are falling apart lately like the stinkin' Buffalo Bills, and what are they gonna do now that they're facing a good defense and on the road no less?? AND HOW THE F--- DO YOU LOSE AT HOME TO THE F---ING LAMBS?!?!?!?!
    Ravens by at least 10..... 


    You loose when the entire NFL betting camp decides to lay on the Redskins after the line has finally caught up with them.

     - 13.5 vs Rams- No brainer- the last time the skins were 13 favorites they lost at Home to Tennessee a few years ago when T. Henry ran for 220 yards vs them. Also they just came off back to back road trips within the division. You are going to have a let down no matter how good you are. Plus the rams were desperate and they beat Dallas the following week -
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boludojones:

    I've been riding high with the Ravens & the Falcons all year long!! Redskins are falling apart lately like the stinkin' Buffalo Bills, and what are they gonna do now that they're facing a good defense and on the road no less?? AND HOW THE F--- DO YOU LOSE AT HOME TO THE F---ING LAMBS?!?!?!?!
    Ravens by at least 10..... 


    You loose when the entire NFL betting camp decides to lay on the Redskins after the line has finally caught up with them.

     - 13.5 vs Rams- No brainer- the last time the skins were 13 favorites they lost at Home to Tennessee a few years ago when T. Henry ran for 220 yards vs them. Also they just came off back to back road trips within the division. You are going to have a let down no matter how good you are. Plus the rams were desperate and they beat Dallas the following week -
     
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    Posted: Dec. 4, 2008 - 3:15 PM ET #7

    I would like to think the Skins can pull this one out.

     Its in Baltimore so its not a real road trip.
    The Skins are in need of a win badly.  I like them + 5 here

    I could see this coming down to a FG-
    Skins have lost to Steelers - Dallas - NYG - and a win vs Sea this past month- November was not kind to the skins. But its December now, time for a mini run- if they expect to make a wildcard they need this one Badly

    Cooley- yes what the F happened to that guy. I guess he is too busy drinking and banging his hot X cheerleader to be concerned with Scoring on the Field
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    I would like to think the Skins can pull this one out.

     Its in Baltimore so its not a real road trip.
    The Skins are in need of a win badly.  I like them + 5 here

    I could see this coming down to a FG-
    Skins have lost to Steelers - Dallas - NYG - and a win vs Sea this past month- November was not kind to the skins. But its December now, time for a mini run- if they expect to make a wildcard they need this one Badly

    Cooley- yes what the F happened to that guy. I guess he is too busy drinking and banging his hot X cheerleader to be concerned with Scoring on the Field
     
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    Posted: Dec. 4, 2008 - 5:03 PM ET #8

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Book_2008:

    I would like to think the Skins can pull this one out.

     Its in Baltimore so its not a real road trip.
    The Skins are in need of a win badly.  I like them + 5 here

    I could see this coming down to a FG-
    Skins have lost to Steelers - Dallas - NYG - and a win vs Sea this past month- November was not kind to the skins. But its December now, time for a mini run- if they expect to make a wildcard they need this one Badly

    Cooley- yes what the F happened to that guy. I guess he is too busy drinking and banging his hot X cheerleader to be concerned with Scoring on the Field


    I'd expect that kind of "spin-doctoring" from someone who has a Redskin avatar!!!
    First off - um, so, the Ravens don't need this one badly? If anything, they need it worse.
    Secondly - uh, the Redskins aren't facing Seattle this week, only just the number 2 defense in the league (right behind you're aforementioned Steelers - whom of course, soundly trounced the Skins 23-6)
    Thirdly - the Ravens (much like the Patriots) are a team of interchangeable guys and they still find ways to win - unlike the 'Skins whom, if Portis is injured and doesn't play (like they way he's "questionable" for this week, perhaps?) will lose big.

    Maybe if you replaced "marginal talent" Campbell with Theismann - and he was throwing to Art Monk, or could hand it off to Riggins, then maybe I would see your point of them winning this week - maybe.....

    What the heck - let's even put your precious Darrell Green in at corner while we're at it....

    In conclusion - I'm not a Ravens fan, or a 'Skins hater - I'm just saying - bet with your head, not with your heart - thank you
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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Book_2008:

    I would like to think the Skins can pull this one out.

     Its in Baltimore so its not a real road trip.
    The Skins are in need of a win badly.  I like them + 5 here

    I could see this coming down to a FG-
    Skins have lost to Steelers - Dallas - NYG - and a win vs Sea this past month- November was not kind to the skins. But its December now, time for a mini run- if they expect to make a wildcard they need this one Badly

    Cooley- yes what the F happened to that guy. I guess he is too busy drinking and banging his hot X cheerleader to be concerned with Scoring on the Field


    I'd expect that kind of "spin-doctoring" from someone who has a Redskin avatar!!!
    First off - um, so, the Ravens don't need this one badly? If anything, they need it worse.
    Secondly - uh, the Redskins aren't facing Seattle this week, only just the number 2 defense in the league (right behind you're aforementioned Steelers - whom of course, soundly trounced the Skins 23-6)
    Thirdly - the Ravens (much like the Patriots) are a team of interchangeable guys and they still find ways to win - unlike the 'Skins whom, if Portis is injured and doesn't play (like they way he's "questionable" for this week, perhaps?) will lose big.

    Maybe if you replaced "marginal talent" Campbell with Theismann - and he was throwing to Art Monk, or could hand it off to Riggins, then maybe I would see your point of them winning this week - maybe.....

    What the heck - let's even put your precious Darrell Green in at corner while we're at it....

    In conclusion - I'm not a Ravens fan, or a 'Skins hater - I'm just saying - bet with your head, not with your heart - thank you
     
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    Posted: Dec. 5, 2008 - 12:06 AM ET #9

    BAL 35 WAS 14
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    Posted: Dec. 5, 2008 - 10:29 AM ET #10

    Bad spot for the Redskins.  Ravens cover this one.
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    Posted: Dec. 5, 2008 - 4:29 PM ET #11

    definitely a bad spot. redskins offense is weak against average defensive teams.  ravens are the cream of the crop.
     
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    definitely a bad spot. redskins offense is weak against average defensive teams.  ravens are the cream of the crop.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 5, 2008 - 6:44 PM ET #12

    Someone is asleep at the wheel here, get it while it is under a TD! Ravens will crush them!
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    Someone is asleep at the wheel here, get it while it is under a TD! Ravens will crush them!
     
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    Posted: Dec. 6, 2008 - 5:39 PM ET #13

    NY Giants showed that you can run on this Ravens defense... and the Colts showed that you can pass on this defense as well.
     
    But the Baltimore defense is for real.. and they will be playing infront of the home crowd, fighting for a play-off spot and pressuring the Steelers for the AFC North crown.
     
    Flacco looks more comfortable in the pocket and he should perform well against the tired and beat-up Skins defense.
     
    Redskins offense has been stagnant with Portis playing at less than 100%.
     
    I know Redskins are playing with desperation, but there is not enough talent on that team to keep up in the second half.
     
    Baltimore has been good ATS as of late and fading Washington has also been successful (Loss ATS vs Pit, Dal, NYG and push ATS Sea.)
     
    I can't see any reason to change the winning formula for this game.
     
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    NY Giants showed that you can run on this Ravens defense... and the Colts showed that you can pass on this defense as well.
     
    But the Baltimore defense is for real.. and they will be playing infront of the home crowd, fighting for a play-off spot and pressuring the Steelers for the AFC North crown.
     
    Flacco looks more comfortable in the pocket and he should perform well against the tired and beat-up Skins defense.
     
    Redskins offense has been stagnant with Portis playing at less than 100%.
     
    I know Redskins are playing with desperation, but there is not enough talent on that team to keep up in the second half.
     
    Baltimore has been good ATS as of late and fading Washington has also been successful (Loss ATS vs Pit, Dal, NYG and push ATS Sea.)
     
    I can't see any reason to change the winning formula for this game.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 7, 2008 - 12:49 AM ET #14

    For the majority of the games the skins went over were against those with superior pass opponents...and I would classify the ravens in that category...over...I am waiting till gametime to see if everyone lowers that 36 to possibly 34.5....enjoy the show!! gl
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    For the majority of the games the skins went over were against those with superior pass opponents...and I would classify the ravens in that category...over...I am waiting till gametime to see if everyone lowers that 36 to possibly 34.5....enjoy the show!! gl
     
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    Posted: Dec. 7, 2008 - 2:13 AM ET #15

    Washington Redskins +6
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    Quote Originally Posted by W8LIFTER:

    Washington Redskins +6
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    Washington is fading like a late summer sunset over Lake Michigan!!  See ya, you fake flakes.  I knew they weren't going to be successful as long as Daniel Snyder runs that show. 
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    Washington is fading like a late summer sunset over Lake Michigan!!  See ya, you fake flakes.  I knew they weren't going to be successful as long as Daniel Snyder runs that show. 
     
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    Redskins +6 (5 units) and ML +230 (2 units) vs. Ravens - the Skins offense has been anemic over the past few weeks, but this is the type of game where they just come out and surprise you.  I'm not predicting they put up 30 on one of the stingiest defenses but they'll at least have some good offensive output.  What is really frustrating as a fan is watching Jason Campbell throw 3 and 4 yard passes when its 3rd-and-long.  They did this quite often against the Giants in both of their games.  The stadium today will be about 50/50 crowd wise because of the rivalry.  Washington has also won their last 4 road games.
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    Redskins +6 (5 units) and ML +230 (2 units) vs. Ravens - the Skins offense has been anemic over the past few weeks, but this is the type of game where they just come out and surprise you.  I'm not predicting they put up 30 on one of the stingiest defenses but they'll at least have some good offensive output.  What is really frustrating as a fan is watching Jason Campbell throw 3 and 4 yard passes when its 3rd-and-long.  They did this quite often against the Giants in both of their games.  The stadium today will be about 50/50 crowd wise because of the rivalry.  Washington has also won their last 4 road games.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 7, 2008 - 11:00 AM ET #19

     i gotta believe zorn will have his club ready for the ravens tonight, i dont care what anyone says baltimore has over achieved this year and are playing well but 6.5 is well within washingtons reach , if pittsburgh knocks of the boys at 4 pm that will fire them up further.

    skins show up and might win this one outright + 6.5 for me please.

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     i gotta believe zorn will have his club ready for the ravens tonight, i dont care what anyone says baltimore has over achieved this year and are playing well but 6.5 is well within washingtons reach , if pittsburgh knocks of the boys at 4 pm that will fire them up further.

    skins show up and might win this one outright + 6.5 for me please.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 7, 2008 - 11:06 AM ET #20

    RAVENS
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    Posted: Dec. 7, 2008 - 11:13 AM ET #21

    Ravens and over
     
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    Posted: Dec. 7, 2008 - 12:06 PM ET #22

    Bal def is great but look at there Off every Bal. wim was an Over...
    Bal. and the over here
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    Bal. and the over here
     
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    now i totally see how you are a "65%" capper.  you know ive been following you very closely - heck, when someone claims to be that good..wouldn't you?  its been comical how you always seem to have winners when you're "on the golf course."  how come you never tell us about the losers that you dont post?  here are a few points about fpronk that have made me realize the type of capper her really is:

    1)  the night you had the lakers/under (both lost) posted right here in your playbook, then mysteriously were gone in the morning.

    2)  were having an awful week, and even after the 18 year olds who think your the man cause of your post count, blog etc were still telling you to shake it off -

    instead you post how you were on the golf course, and couldn't the winners which actually had you up for the week - where are the losers bro?

     3)      you’re hot temper and arguments with other members - all the signs of a loser.  you get so defensive when people don’t agree with you.  Telling members to start their own threads, picking internet fights with members etc etc….its a joke, and a shame for someone your age.

         4)     you blaming the refs for wanting to throw in the towel.  Give me a break bro – ever think that your not Ace Rothstein and that’s the problem?

    I think that RSI rating is a little more indicative of the type of capper you are.  And don’t give us that “I don’t wager on those games” etc etc – bottom line, those are your opinions on select games, and you’re not even at 50% lol

    I know your going to start with that “you’re a tout” etc etc…you know I’m not.  If I was, I wouldn’t waste my time on someone who’s *posted* picks are maybe 50% the past few months.

    Anyone who is a good handicapper would never throw in the towel if they were up – I have a feeling a lot of losers that aren’t getting posted have affected that bankroll.

    Now that you’ll be gone, threads will be a lot less filled with trolling posts and more filled with solid information from cool, normal people.  Not hot heads like you who try to boost your self esteem by acting like a God in a sports forum.


    **note to all, i am someone who has been cool with fpronk (see playbook) and is not one of his many enemies.  people need to realize the type of guy he really is - he's nasty with members, and more importantly, boasts that he's much better than he really is.
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    now i totally see how you are a "65%" capper.  you know ive been following you very closely - heck, when someone claims to be that good..wouldn't you?  its been comical how you always seem to have winners when you're "on the golf course."  how come you never tell us about the losers that you dont post?  here are a few points about fpronk that have made me realize the type of capper her really is:

    1)  the night you had the lakers/under (both lost) posted right here in your playbook, then mysteriously were gone in the morning.

    2)  were having an awful week, and even after the 18 year olds who think your the man cause of your post count, blog etc were still telling you to shake it off -

    instead you post how you were on the golf course, and couldn't the winners which actually had you up for the week - where are the losers bro?

     3)      you’re hot temper and arguments with other members - all the signs of a loser.  you get so defensive when people don’t agree with you.  Telling members to start their own threads, picking internet fights with members etc etc….its a joke, and a shame for someone your age.

         4)     you blaming the refs for wanting to throw in the towel.  Give me a break bro – ever think that your not Ace Rothstein and that’s the problem?

    I think that RSI rating is a little more indicative of the type of capper you are.  And don’t give us that “I don’t wager on those games” etc etc – bottom line, those are your opinions on select games, and you’re not even at 50% lol

    I know your going to start with that “you’re a tout” etc etc…you know I’m not.  If I was, I wouldn’t waste my time on someone who’s *posted* picks are maybe 50% the past few months.

    Anyone who is a good handicapper would never throw in the towel if they were up – I have a feeling a lot of losers that aren’t getting posted have affected that bankroll.

    Now that you’ll be gone, threads will be a lot less filled with trolling posts and more filled with solid information from cool, normal people.  Not hot heads like you who try to boost your self esteem by acting like a God in a sports forum.


    **note to all, i am someone who has been cool with fpronk (see playbook) and is not one of his many enemies.  people need to realize the type of guy he really is - he's nasty with members, and more importantly, boasts that he's much better than he really is.
     
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    FPronk - you've got it all wrong - the rsi rating thing is not the main point i'm making.  its the picks you post here in your playbook, threads etc, and then the mysterious ones you dont post that happen to be winners.  you've done it numerous times.  nothing worse than a phony, and thats exactly what you have been.
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    FPronk - you've got it all wrong - the rsi rating thing is not the main point i'm making.  its the picks you post here in your playbook, threads etc, and then the mysterious ones you dont post that happen to be winners.  you've done it numerous times.  nothing worse than a phony, and thats exactly what you have been.
     
     
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    I deleted one post before the game started....the lakers over...I didnt bet it and deleted it THAT NIGHT...I'm sorry oh holy one...MR RSI..I didnt know that was against the rules when I signed up. I must have missed it in the rule book.
     
    This is too funny that you spend all morning writing about me and my plays....
     
    Yes, I am 39 and I am a immature SOB. Who really cares? Oh, you do... again...
     
    Now you talk about 18 year old kids and post counts. You sound like my 9 year old niece. I bet my dad can kick your dads ass...
     
    I have anger management issues... I can be a prick but I don't bash other peoples plays. I may argue or disagree with someone but I have never and will never bash a pick. The only time I am an ahole is when I have to, well, I dont have to but rather I choose to defend myself from fools like you.  I think most people will agree that you have real issues and its kinda creepy they way you're stalking me.
     
    My RSI rating that you like to talk about is shitty, yes...I see you are the man on wagerline. With your 22 red stars!! I make picks in there for the hell of it in the beginning of the week. I don't do any reseach but I randomly make picks. I could care less if my rating was 10% on there...thats not what I bet...again...
     
    I am very flattered and hope it continues...I love you!
     
    I AM THE MAN!! MY PICKS ARE THE BEST!! This me boasting...ha
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    I deleted one post before the game started....the lakers over...I didnt bet it and deleted it THAT NIGHT...I'm sorry oh holy one...MR RSI..I didnt know that was against the rules when I signed up. I must have missed it in the rule book.
     
    This is too funny that you spend all morning writing about me and my plays....
     
    Yes, I am 39 and I am a immature SOB. Who really cares? Oh, you do... again...
     
    Now you talk about 18 year old kids and post counts. You sound like my 9 year old niece. I bet my dad can kick your dads ass...
     
    I have anger management issues... I can be a prick but I don't bash other peoples plays. I may argue or disagree with someone but I have never and will never bash a pick. The only time I am an ahole is when I have to, well, I dont have to but rather I choose to defend myself from fools like you.  I think most people will agree that you have real issues and its kinda creepy they way you're stalking me.
     
    My RSI rating that you like to talk about is shitty, yes...I see you are the man on wagerline. With your 22 red stars!! I make picks in there for the hell of it in the beginning of the week. I don't do any reseach but I randomly make picks. I could care less if my rating was 10% on there...thats not what I bet...again...
     
    I am very flattered and hope it continues...I love you!
     
    I AM THE MAN!! MY PICKS ARE THE BEST!! This me boasting...ha
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