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Whiskey609

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Posted: Jun. 5, 2016 - 5:11 PM ET #26

Welcome back

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Day-trader1

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Posted: Jun. 5, 2016 - 5:33 PM ET #27

Wow. Ref has a real hard on for Jamaica. The phantom off side call and the red card... Fifa has to investigate this guy..

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Kurshka

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Posted: Jun. 5, 2016 - 5:35 PM ET #28

Well Jamaica just called screwed. That is no way a red card and doubt it warranted even a yellow. Just a horrible call, but these things happen.

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statfreak

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Posted: Jun. 5, 2016 - 5:53 PM ET #29

yo do know Luis Suarez is not playing la copa right?

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statfreak

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Posted: Jun. 5, 2016 - 5:55 PM ET #30

Quote Originally Posted by statfreak:

yo do know Luis Suarez is not playing la copa right?

sorry wrong thread

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MuggsyBogues

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Posted: Jun. 5, 2016 - 7:36 PM ET #31

It was a good call. He does that ten times, he break's opponent leg and ends his career at least once.

Still from what I've seen, Jamaica was the right call. A very short highlight reel. Just the type of game you want if you have +0.5

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Rush51

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Posted: Jun. 5, 2016 - 8:02 PM ET #32

Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

Honestly, I see things 180 degrees the other way.

I saw an uninspired, tactical disgrace. I heard what some of the announcers - and what Klinsman said afterwards - but I totally disagree. It wasnt just "two set pieces that made the difference" for me.

Everyone seems to forget that the reason the USA had possession for stretches of the game is because Colombia allowed them to. It wasn't dangerous possession for the USA - it was a lot of useless possession. The game has changed in the last 10 years - since Spain and Barca play the way they do - the counterattack has become a strategy instead of the only option available to some teams. Colombia chooses to play this way. So it was Colombia who dictated the whole game and allowed the US possession - because it was harmless - and when you are up 2-0 - you can sit back and watch the clock tick as your opponent fumbles around with as much possession late in the game as they want.

Some of the most disturbing passages of play for me were the times that Colombia did choose to possess the ball - and just sat back and had passing drills with their center backs WITH ZERO PRESSURE from the US attack. At one point (around the 60 minute mark), I think Colombia strung together like 30 passes or so - just bouncing it around their backfield - with absolutely nothing from a team that was down 2-0 at the time.

The high press will win this tournament. It is the strategy du jour in football - and until teams adjust (which they haven't) - it is what will likely win these tournaments. It is also particularly hard to play against a high press in these international tournaments because there is such a short amount of time to organize and get to know your teammates. So why didnt the USA press last night? You can bet your a*s that Colombia - if they didnt score 8 minutes in to the game - would have terrorized the USA defensive line with a high press - BUT THEY DIDNT HAVE TO.

If the game was 0-0, you would have seen a whole different Colombia strategy. But at 2-0 - you saw nothing from the US in terms of strategy - it was almost like they were OK with losing 2-0. Klinsman waited for the 60th minute (or so) to make any changes - and they were largely ineffective.

Saying the USA played even is almost the American Football equivalent of a team that goes up 28-0 and then coasts to a 42-14 win. Did they really play even for most of the game or did the team in the lead always have control?

I will be looking for teams that actively high press and counterattack to bet on in both tournaments - especially early. I watched Chile do this against Mexico the other day - and for 65 minutes of the game Mexico looked helpless (mexico won 1-0 on a late goal for what I felt was a very lucky result).

For the first time - I feel like Klinsman needs to go. We arent making progress. He is a tinkerer - and we have players who need to get consistent experience. But most of all - he has no plan B. When things go sideways - the best managers adjust - he doesnt. And his idiotic comments in the press dont help with confidence that he actually knows what he is doing.

Van, Nice feedback.. You are truly one of the few guys that will dissect things down to this level, and enjoyed reading your feedback.

Honestly , I didn't expect much from the U.S. team , particularly against a Colombian side that includes the likes of James Rodriguez... But they had their chances regardless with the set pieces. This cannot be discounted.

Perhaps most importantly, a team that scores both their goals from set pieces should not inspire confidence !

Next game will be interesting. USA goes against a Costa Rica side that has perhaps the best goalie in the world in Keylor Navas... Having watched many of their games this year, he was absolutely lights out as goalie for Real Madrid this year. But don't take my word for it....