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    Hedging Question - last leg Man U vs. the Spurs

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    goheels420
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    Posted: Aug. 22, 2011 - 2:54 PM ET #26

    Ark I don't understand your point.  Of couse there is tremendous value on geting Man U to win at -175 and having the line now at -300 but why would not I not wager my current bankroll to guarantee profit especially considering it was a $40 wager?

    Locking in my lines at +375 and +575 now.  Thanks again for the feedback gentlemen. 

    Oh how much more confident I would be if this were Real and Barcelona playing their home opener....La Liga lock out

     

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    Ark I don't understand your point.  Of couse there is tremendous value on geting Man U to win at -175 and having the line now at -300 but why would not I not wager my current bankroll to guarantee profit especially considering it was a $40 wager?

    Locking in my lines at +375 and +575 now.  Thanks again for the feedback gentlemen. 

    Oh how much more confident I would be if this were Real and Barcelona playing their home opener....La Liga lock out

     

     
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    Posted: Aug. 22, 2011 - 3:55 PM ET #27

    My point is, like van said, if you felt that Man U were a good bet at -150 before you made the parlay, then there is absolutely no reason to hedge out of it now when they are at a steeper price.  You lose a ton of value by hedging like you did -- it's simple math.  And don't say it's not a hedge because it is, you guaranteed yourself money when you could've let it ride, that's a hedge.  Good luck to you in the future, just remember that parlays of games that do not happen at the same time are completely pointless, as is hedging for no sufficient reason.
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    My point is, like van said, if you felt that Man U were a good bet at -150 before you made the parlay, then there is absolutely no reason to hedge out of it now when they are at a steeper price.  You lose a ton of value by hedging like you did -- it's simple math.  And don't say it's not a hedge because it is, you guaranteed yourself money when you could've let it ride, that's a hedge.  Good luck to you in the future, just remember that parlays of games that do not happen at the same time are completely pointless, as is hedging for no sufficient reason.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 22, 2011 - 4:43 PM ET #28

    Looks like its winner to me

    Awesome win sir
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    Looks like its winner to me

    Awesome win sir
     
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    Posted: Aug. 22, 2011 - 4:50 PM ET #29

    Very nice, congratulations!   

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    Very nice, congratulations!   

     
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    Posted: Aug. 22, 2011 - 5:08 PM ET #30

    Thanks guys....on cloud 9.  

    That was a nervous 60 ish minutes!!

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    Thanks guys....on cloud 9.  

    That was a nervous 60 ish minutes!!

     
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    Posted: Aug. 22, 2011 - 5:14 PM ET #31

    Great win!

    Please post your parlay
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    Great win!

    Please post your parlay
     
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    Posted: Aug. 22, 2011 - 5:15 PM ET #32

    Here is my play for those interested.  Tried to post the ticket but too many characters even when I paste it in multiple posts..anyone know how to get around that?   

    1Braves ML (Sat)
    2Tampa Bay RL (Sat)
    3Kansas City ML (Sat)
    4Minnesota ML (Sat) 
    5White Sox ML (Sat)
    6Angels ML (Sat) - lucky as hell down 2 in last AB
    7St Louis Rams ML - again lucky as hell last second fg after that scrub from Dook drove the rams down the field 
    8Denver Broncos ML 
    9New York Jets ML 
    10Man City to win 
    11Man U to Win

    $42 to win $21,324.37 ( (minus 3K wagered on Tott and draw) = 18,324.37 profit   






     

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    Here is my play for those interested.  Tried to post the ticket but too many characters even when I paste it in multiple posts..anyone know how to get around that?   

    1Braves ML (Sat)
    2Tampa Bay RL (Sat)
    3Kansas City ML (Sat)
    4Minnesota ML (Sat) 
    5White Sox ML (Sat)
    6Angels ML (Sat) - lucky as hell down 2 in last AB
    7St Louis Rams ML - again lucky as hell last second fg after that scrub from Dook drove the rams down the field 
    8Denver Broncos ML 
    9New York Jets ML 
    10Man City to win 
    11Man U to Win

    $42 to win $21,324.37 ( (minus 3K wagered on Tott and draw) = 18,324.37 profit   






     

     
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    Posted: Aug. 22, 2011 - 5:26 PM ET #33

    Ark I respectfully disagree with your math argument.  When I say hedge I am implying that I would have put 10K on Tott +.5/1 to guarantee myself 10K in profit rather than risk making nothing if Man U didn't win.  I believed Man U was going to win but anything can happen so why the hell not risk a small amount (3K out of 21K) to guarantee at least 5K?  

    Thanks for the kind words Mex and Sultan



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    Ark I respectfully disagree with your math argument.  When I say hedge I am implying that I would have put 10K on Tott +.5/1 to guarantee myself 10K in profit rather than risk making nothing if Man U didn't win.  I believed Man U was going to win but anything can happen so why the hell not risk a small amount (3K out of 21K) to guarantee at least 5K?  

    Thanks for the kind words Mex and Sultan



     
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    Posted: Aug. 22, 2011 - 5:49 PM ET #34

    Great hit!!! You must of been celebrating welbeck header to give utd the lead
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    Great hit!!! You must of been celebrating welbeck header to give utd the lead
     
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    Posted: Aug. 22, 2011 - 6:12 PM ET #35

    Quote Originally Posted by goheels420:

    Ark I respectfully disagree with your math argument.  When I say hedge I am implying that I would have put 10K on Tott +.5/1 to guarantee myself 10K in profit rather than risk making nothing if Man U didn't win.  I believed Man U was going to win but anything can happen so why the hell not risk a small amount (3K out of 21K) to guarantee at least 5K?  

    Thanks for the kind words Mex and Sultan



    Sir -

    Congratulations on your win.

    But you are debating mathematics with anecdotal perceptions.

    You GAVE AWAY money today to "hedge" or "bet" or whatever you want to call it.  You lost value.  You did not get as much for your position as you should have.

    It is like saying "I found a baseball card in my attic, and sold it for 100 bucks!!  It was worth 200, but I didnt know I had it so I ensured myself a profit and took the first offer."  YOU DIDNT GET WHAT YOUR POSITION WAS WORTH.

    So I am glad for you, understand your excitement, and wish you the best.  But you did do a dumb thing by betting this parlay, you should have done it differently, and Arka is right.  You could have bet it in a different way, and made possibly 24K instead of 18K with the exact same risk.  You lowered your payout for no reason, essentially selling the 200 baseball card for 100 because you were happy with the 100 at that moment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goheels420:

    Ark I respectfully disagree with your math argument.  When I say hedge I am implying that I would have put 10K on Tott +.5/1 to guarantee myself 10K in profit rather than risk making nothing if Man U didn't win.  I believed Man U was going to win but anything can happen so why the hell not risk a small amount (3K out of 21K) to guarantee at least 5K?  

    Thanks for the kind words Mex and Sultan



    Sir -

    Congratulations on your win.

    But you are debating mathematics with anecdotal perceptions.

    You GAVE AWAY money today to "hedge" or "bet" or whatever you want to call it.  You lost value.  You did not get as much for your position as you should have.

    It is like saying "I found a baseball card in my attic, and sold it for 100 bucks!!  It was worth 200, but I didnt know I had it so I ensured myself a profit and took the first offer."  YOU DIDNT GET WHAT YOUR POSITION WAS WORTH.

    So I am glad for you, understand your excitement, and wish you the best.  But you did do a dumb thing by betting this parlay, you should have done it differently, and Arka is right.  You could have bet it in a different way, and made possibly 24K instead of 18K with the exact same risk.  You lowered your payout for no reason, essentially selling the 200 baseball card for 100 because you were happy with the 100 at that moment.

     
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    Posted: Aug. 22, 2011 - 6:49 PM ET #36

    Dude great win congratulations and yes you lost 3k but you could have lost 40dls too, but again at this thime you were trying to get paid and you my man did the right thing!!! Great job!!!
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    Dude great win congratulations and yes you lost 3k but you could have lost 40dls too, but again at this thime you were trying to get paid and you my man did the right thing!!! Great job!!!
     
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    Posted: Aug. 22, 2011 - 6:51 PM ET #37

    Congrats mate, what an awesome hit!

    We all know these type of parlays are done on impulse, and not based on a thorough future analysis of what happens if they actually have a chance of hitting. If you had already won the 13K there's no way in hell you'd play Man U for that amount, so really this was your only way of going for a 20K-ish payday.

    In the circumstances you did exactly what I would have done, guaranteed a semi-exciting payday, while still keeping alive the big cahuna. I call that aggressive risk management and it's how I like to gamble.

    BOL with future wagering, maybe let us know ahead of time when you are a 10-team parlay lock though OK? ;-)
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    Congrats mate, what an awesome hit!

    We all know these type of parlays are done on impulse, and not based on a thorough future analysis of what happens if they actually have a chance of hitting. If you had already won the 13K there's no way in hell you'd play Man U for that amount, so really this was your only way of going for a 20K-ish payday.

    In the circumstances you did exactly what I would have done, guaranteed a semi-exciting payday, while still keeping alive the big cahuna. I call that aggressive risk management and it's how I like to gamble.

    BOL with future wagering, maybe let us know ahead of time when you are a 10-team parlay lock though OK? ;-)
     
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    Posted: Aug. 22, 2011 - 7:05 PM ET #38

    Thanks fellas.  Gonna try to keep the good karma going with a pretty homer public big chalk parlay

    Phillies ML

    Texas ML

    Cleveland ML

    St. Louis ML

    Rockies ML

    1K to win 8.2

     

     

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    Thanks fellas.  Gonna try to keep the good karma going with a pretty homer public big chalk parlay

    Phillies ML

    Texas ML

    Cleveland ML

    St. Louis ML

    Rockies ML

    1K to win 8.2

     

     

     
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    Posted: Aug. 22, 2011 - 7:20 PM ET #39

    Quote Originally Posted by goheels420:

    Thanks fellas.  Gonna try to keep the good karma going with a pretty homer public big chalk parlay

    Phillies ML

    Texas ML

    Cleveland ML

    St. Louis ML

    Rockies ML

    1K to win 8.2

     

     

      just don't throw it away on 1K parlays please!!!  

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    Quote Originally Posted by goheels420:

    Thanks fellas.  Gonna try to keep the good karma going with a pretty homer public big chalk parlay

    Phillies ML

    Texas ML

    Cleveland ML

    St. Louis ML

    Rockies ML

    1K to win 8.2

     

     

      just don't throw it away on 1K parlays please!!!  

     
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    Posted: Aug. 22, 2011 - 7:23 PM ET #40

    Quote Originally Posted by goheels420:

    Thanks fellas.  Gonna try to keep the good karma going with a pretty homer public big chalk parlay

    Phillies ML

    Texas ML

    Cleveland ML

    St. Louis ML

    Rockies ML

    1K to win 8.2

     

     

    1K 5 team parlays   

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    Quote Originally Posted by goheels420:

    Thanks fellas.  Gonna try to keep the good karma going with a pretty homer public big chalk parlay

    Phillies ML

    Texas ML

    Cleveland ML

    St. Louis ML

    Rockies ML

    1K to win 8.2

     

     

    1K 5 team parlays   

     
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    Posted: Aug. 22, 2011 - 7:26 PM ET #41

    But you are debating mathematics with anecdotal perceptions.

    You GAVE AWAY money today to "hedge" or "bet" or whatever you want to call it.  You lost value.  You did not get as much for your position as you should have.

    It is like saying "I found a baseball card in my attic, and sold it for 100 bucks!!  It was worth 200, but I didnt know I had it so I ensured myself a profit and took the first offer."  YOU DIDNT GET WHAT YOUR POSITION WAS WORTH.

    So I am glad for you, understand your excitement, and wish you the best.  But you did do a dumb thing by betting this parlay, you should have done it differently, and Arka is right.  You could have bet it in a different way, and made possibly 24K instead of 18K with the exact same risk.  You lowered your payout for no reason, essentially selling the 200 baseball card for 100 because you were happy with the 100 at that moment.

    Vanzack your analogy does not make sense to me.  Maybe I am beign dense but until Man U won this afternoon I had a $40 wager (baseball card) that ended up being worth 21K but it could have been worth nothing if Man U did not win.  In my opinion a more applicable analogy would be if you told me you were offering me a baseball card that could be worth 21K or could be worth nothing and giving me the option of instead chosing to pick betwen two baseball cards that were worth either 18K or 5K. 

    Sure I could have bet the parlay differently but at the time I put it in I was obviously not banking on it hitting.  After all it was a $40 play.  Given the circumstances and my 3K bankroll going in to today I feel like I made the right play to maximize value of my pending wager. 

    Cheers.  Enjoying some 1792 to get the evening started

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    But you are debating mathematics with anecdotal perceptions.

    You GAVE AWAY money today to "hedge" or "bet" or whatever you want to call it.  You lost value.  You did not get as much for your position as you should have.

    It is like saying "I found a baseball card in my attic, and sold it for 100 bucks!!  It was worth 200, but I didnt know I had it so I ensured myself a profit and took the first offer."  YOU DIDNT GET WHAT YOUR POSITION WAS WORTH.

    So I am glad for you, understand your excitement, and wish you the best.  But you did do a dumb thing by betting this parlay, you should have done it differently, and Arka is right.  You could have bet it in a different way, and made possibly 24K instead of 18K with the exact same risk.  You lowered your payout for no reason, essentially selling the 200 baseball card for 100 because you were happy with the 100 at that moment.

    Vanzack your analogy does not make sense to me.  Maybe I am beign dense but until Man U won this afternoon I had a $40 wager (baseball card) that ended up being worth 21K but it could have been worth nothing if Man U did not win.  In my opinion a more applicable analogy would be if you told me you were offering me a baseball card that could be worth 21K or could be worth nothing and giving me the option of instead chosing to pick betwen two baseball cards that were worth either 18K or 5K. 

    Sure I could have bet the parlay differently but at the time I put it in I was obviously not banking on it hitting.  After all it was a $40 play.  Given the circumstances and my 3K bankroll going in to today I feel like I made the right play to maximize value of my pending wager. 

    Cheers.  Enjoying some 1792 to get the evening started

     
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    Posted: Aug. 22, 2011 - 7:37 PM ET #42

    One, congratulations on your hit. Two, I know it's already too late but, trust me, you do NOT want to get into a protracted debate over hedging with vanzack.

    Now, to the more pressing issue at hand: do you have any assurances your book is actually going to pay you? If you bet this with a local (and, let's face it, a fair number of online books as well), you might be jumping the gun on celebrations a little early.


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    One, congratulations on your hit. Two, I know it's already too late but, trust me, you do NOT want to get into a protracted debate over hedging with vanzack.

    Now, to the more pressing issue at hand: do you have any assurances your book is actually going to pay you? If you bet this with a local (and, let's face it, a fair number of online books as well), you might be jumping the gun on celebrations a little early.


     
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    Posted: Aug. 22, 2011 - 7:40 PM ET #43

    Thanks Hugh.  Your probably right I remember reading some of the exchanges with others

    I don't use locals so hopefully my book doesn't get shut down by the feds

     

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    Thanks Hugh.  Your probably right I remember reading some of the exchanges with others

    I don't use locals so hopefully my book doesn't get shut down by the feds

     

     
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    Posted: Aug. 22, 2011 - 7:45 PM ET #44

    Quote Originally Posted by MEX_ROOKIE:

      just don't throw it away on 1K parlays please!!!  




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    Quote Originally Posted by MEX_ROOKIE:

      just don't throw it away on 1K parlays please!!!  




     
     
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