can somebody break this post i found on another site that the person uses to make lines. Its really been many years since trying to calculate these kinds of formulas. Please do his example step by step with the numbers, because he lost me in his example.
Hopefully this is something good to use.
Thanks
cd
Here are the formulae that I use to get from raw numbers to lines, if anybody cares.
You need four numbers to work with: visitor runs, home runs, visitor runs allowed, home runs allowed.
Let's take a look at tonight's Yankees/Jays game with Jaret Wright and A.J. Burnett. I've deliberately picked a game that was a no-play for me (I didn't find enough value on either side).
Specifically for tonight's lineups: I have the Yankees at 5.27 runs scored, 4.64 runs allowed. I have the Jays at 4.81 runs scored, 4.02 runs allowed.
First, I need "single winning percentages". For this, we first use Bill James' Pythagorean method. The formula is (A^1.83)/((A^1.83)+(B^1.83)), where A is runs scored B is runs allowed. We can do this for each team to figure out the quality they are bringing to the game. The Yankees get a .558; the Jays get a .621 AFTER adding .040 to the Jays' for being at home.
We use another formula of James', Log5, to get from these winnig percentages to probabilities of winning the particular matchup. The Log5 formula is (C-(C*D))/(C+D-((2*C)*D)), where C is the visitors' pythagorean number from the equation above, and D is the home teams'. For the Yankees in tonight's game, I got .435. 1 - .435 = .565, which is the Jays probability of winning.
So, assuming that the four numbers that we started out with (our handicapping) are correct, the Yankees have a .435 chance of winning the game; the Jays have a .565 chance.
So, let's make a line.
The formula is (1-X)/X, where X is the underdogs win probability. So in this game, the equation is (1-.435)/.435 = 1.30. So, the line is 130. Looks better as a dime line, I suppose:
Yankees +125 Jays -135
How much value you need to play is up to you.
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can somebody break this post i found on another site that the person uses to make lines. Its really been many years since trying to calculate these kinds of formulas. Please do his example step by step with the numbers, because he lost me in his example.
Hopefully this is something good to use.
Thanks
cd
Here are the formulae that I use to get from raw numbers to lines, if anybody cares.
You need four numbers to work with: visitor runs, home runs, visitor runs allowed, home runs allowed.
Let's take a look at tonight's Yankees/Jays game with Jaret Wright and A.J. Burnett. I've deliberately picked a game that was a no-play for me (I didn't find enough value on either side).
Specifically for tonight's lineups: I have the Yankees at 5.27 runs scored, 4.64 runs allowed. I have the Jays at 4.81 runs scored, 4.02 runs allowed.
First, I need "single winning percentages". For this, we first use Bill James' Pythagorean method. The formula is (A^1.83)/((A^1.83)+(B^1.83)), where A is runs scored B is runs allowed. We can do this for each team to figure out the quality they are bringing to the game. The Yankees get a .558; the Jays get a .621 AFTER adding .040 to the Jays' for being at home.
We use another formula of James', Log5, to get from these winnig percentages to probabilities of winning the particular matchup. The Log5 formula is (C-(C*D))/(C+D-((2*C)*D)), where C is the visitors' pythagorean number from the equation above, and D is the home teams'. For the Yankees in tonight's game, I got .435. 1 - .435 = .565, which is the Jays probability of winning.
So, assuming that the four numbers that we started out with (our handicapping) are correct, the Yankees have a .435 chance of winning the game; the Jays have a .565 chance.
So, let's make a line.
The formula is (1-X)/X, where X is the underdogs win probability. So in this game, the equation is (1-.435)/.435 = 1.30. So, the line is 130. Looks better as a dime line, I suppose:
come on guys help a fellow gambler out. one of you got to know how to calculate this formula out. I always help people out on this site with stuff i know when somebody asks for help.
thanks cd
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come on guys help a fellow gambler out. one of you got to know how to calculate this formula out. I always help people out on this site with stuff i know when somebody asks for help.
there arent too many real good math guys at this forum try the handicapper think tank at sbr forum, they talk hardcore math there and will surely help you.
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there arent too many real good math guys at this forum try the handicapper think tank at sbr forum, they talk hardcore math there and will surely help you.
there arent too many real good math guys at this forum try the handicapper think tank at sbr forum, they talk hardcore math there and will surely help you.
Thanks Underdog
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Quote Originally Posted by Underdog11:
there arent too many real good math guys at this forum try the handicapper think tank at sbr forum, they talk hardcore math there and will surely help you.
The formula seems straight forward to me. I would be glad to help!
I use a similar formula, but using RC and BR. I feel it gives a more realistic number.
BW
Bill,
Thank you for the help.
Could you go step by step doing the calculations out so i can see how he got the numbers he did. I need to see where the numbers go in the formula. Its driving me crazy that i cant do these type of math problems anymore. Pretend your trying to show the formula to a 5 year old, lolllllll.
Thanks again
cd
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Quote Originally Posted by BillWag27:
CD,
what are the questions that you are looking for?
The formula seems straight forward to me. I would be glad to help!
I use a similar formula, but using RC and BR. I feel it gives a more realistic number.
BW
Bill,
Thank you for the help.
Could you go step by step doing the calculations out so i can see how he got the numbers he did. I need to see where the numbers go in the formula. Its driving me crazy that i cant do these type of math problems anymore. Pretend your trying to show the formula to a 5 year old, lolllllll.
I tried calculating Runs created (different formulas are given for this, incl. James') using BP's projected stats and it honestly got way too complicated. To be frank, the thing with linemaking with algorithms is that it doesn't take into effect multiple variables that have considerable impacts on games. In order to account for the gamut including splits, career stats vs. certain players, a late travel time for a game the next day, momentum, players getting days off, etc., it would get way too complicated...
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I tried calculating Runs created (different formulas are given for this, incl. James') using BP's projected stats and it honestly got way too complicated. To be frank, the thing with linemaking with algorithms is that it doesn't take into effect multiple variables that have considerable impacts on games. In order to account for the gamut including splits, career stats vs. certain players, a late travel time for a game the next day, momentum, players getting days off, etc., it would get way too complicated...
guys i dont care if the formula works or not. I just want to see this example calculated out, so it will help me out calculating other types of math problems. I really just cant remember how to do this type of math anymore.
Sharky, i wish i could use excel to calculate this.
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guys i dont care if the formula works or not. I just want to see this example calculated out, so it will help me out calculating other types of math problems. I really just cant remember how to do this type of math anymore.
Sharky, i wish i could use excel to calculate this.
the one guy who could help you you were a total moron to so i dont blame him for not responding but sn knows his stuff esp all that formulas and so forth
next time think before you come barging in somebodies thread ranting with that bullshit like you did
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the one guy who could help you you were a total moron to so i dont blame him for not responding but sn knows his stuff esp all that formulas and so forth
next time think before you come barging in somebodies thread ranting with that bullshit like you did
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