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    FreakyFresh
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    Posted: Oct. 14, 2009 - 7:37 PM ET #1

    I want this thread to be different; I want this thread to be a project. I also want this thread to be as straightforward as possible and easy to understand for any one who wishes to follow.

    In gambling the two things a successful gambler needs is to know the 'edge' that he has on the game/bet, and then how to implement a money management system which will optimize the return of the bets. The second part, the money management, stems from being able to calculate your 'edge' in a bet. Therefore a better should strive to try and find the exact edge that he has, although this is an imperfect science as no one will ever be able to truly find the exact edge on each game. But quantifying edge is absolutely essential for optimal growth.

    I have stumbled upon a predictive system that gives all the numbers necessary to calculate an edge between the predictions and the lines, such as standard deviation on each bet. Obviously this predictive system isn't perfect, but I will make according adjustments which leads me into my next part.

    Because I have the necessary numbers to calculate 'edge' I will implement a Kelly betting system, which when used correctly is the best money management system possible because it optimizes bankroll growth. For anyone who has used/studied/read up on the Kelly system they know that unless you are absolutely certain of your exact edge on a bet (like a dice game, or lottery, etc) a full Kelly unit should not be bet. I won't get into the system much, but it is much safer, less riskier, to wager a fraction of the Kelly percentage. On this thread and for the time being until I decide otherwise, I am going to go even lower than the fractional suggestion and use 25% for my posts.

    For the time being I will post plays on NCAAF - only on games where the teams have played 6 or more games, which is enough to give a good read on the season.. the NFL - same thing as college, only on games where both teams have played at least 6 games, so after next week.... the NBA and NCAAB once they start up and the season is far enough in... possibly NHL, still deciding on whether the system works well for the NHL.

    Sorry this was very long, but I wanted to lay everything on the table as early as possible. I will start with a hypothetical bankroll of $1,000, so my success or failure can be easily be measured in terms of %'s in relation to my start.


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    I want this thread to be different; I want this thread to be a project. I also want this thread to be as straightforward as possible and easy to understand for any one who wishes to follow.

    In gambling the two things a successful gambler needs is to know the 'edge' that he has on the game/bet, and then how to implement a money management system which will optimize the return of the bets. The second part, the money management, stems from being able to calculate your 'edge' in a bet. Therefore a better should strive to try and find the exact edge that he has, although this is an imperfect science as no one will ever be able to truly find the exact edge on each game. But quantifying edge is absolutely essential for optimal growth.

    I have stumbled upon a predictive system that gives all the numbers necessary to calculate an edge between the predictions and the lines, such as standard deviation on each bet. Obviously this predictive system isn't perfect, but I will make according adjustments which leads me into my next part.

    Because I have the necessary numbers to calculate 'edge' I will implement a Kelly betting system, which when used correctly is the best money management system possible because it optimizes bankroll growth. For anyone who has used/studied/read up on the Kelly system they know that unless you are absolutely certain of your exact edge on a bet (like a dice game, or lottery, etc) a full Kelly unit should not be bet. I won't get into the system much, but it is much safer, less riskier, to wager a fraction of the Kelly percentage. On this thread and for the time being until I decide otherwise, I am going to go even lower than the fractional suggestion and use 25% for my posts.

    For the time being I will post plays on NCAAF - only on games where the teams have played 6 or more games, which is enough to give a good read on the season.. the NFL - same thing as college, only on games where both teams have played at least 6 games, so after next week.... the NBA and NCAAB once they start up and the season is far enough in... possibly NHL, still deciding on whether the system works well for the NHL.

    Sorry this was very long, but I wanted to lay everything on the table as early as possible. I will start with a hypothetical bankroll of $1,000, so my success or failure can be easily be measured in terms of %'s in relation to my start.


     
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    Posted: Oct. 14, 2009 - 7:43 PM ET #2

    I also want to make it known that this has no history, and can't be backtracked, and that is why I consider it a project. I obviously believe that something can come from this though or else I wouldn't take the time to post. So take it for what it is worth.


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    I also want to make it known that this has no history, and can't be backtracked, and that is why I consider it a project. I obviously believe that something can come from this though or else I wouldn't take the time to post. So take it for what it is worth.


     
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    Posted: Oct. 14, 2009 - 7:47 PM ET #3

    Lets see what it brings..."nothing try nothing done"
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    Lets see what it brings..."nothing try nothing done"
     
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    Posted: Oct. 14, 2009 - 8:02 PM ET #4

    Here are my posted picks for this Saturday 10.17.09

    Starting Bankroll: $1,000
    Current Bankroll: $1,000

    PLAYS --

    Central Michigan / Western Michigan - Under 57.5
    9.81%: $98.11 to win $89.19

    Penn State / Minnesota - Under 50
    7.33%: $73.29 to win $66.63

    Minnesota +16.5
    7.32%: $73.15 to win $66.50

    Wyoming / Air Force - Under 45
    6.07%: $60.66 to win $55.14

    Iowa + 2.5
    3.84%: $38.41 to win $34.92

    2 TEAM PARLAYS

    Central Michigan / Western Michigan - Under 57.5
    & Penn State / Minnesota - Under 50
    1.27%: $12.74 to win $33.13

    Central Michigan / Western Michigan - Under 57.5
    & Minnesota + 16.5
    1.27%: $12.72 to win $33.07

    Penn State / Minnesota - Under 50
    & Minnesota +16.5
    0.95%: $9.50 to win $24.71

    Central Michigan / Western Michigan - Under 57.5
    & Wyoming / Air Force - Under 45
    1.05%: $10.55 to win $27.42

    Penn State / Minnesota - Under 50
    & Wyoming / Air Force - Under 45
    0.79%: $7.88 to win $20.49

    Minnesota +16.5
    & Wyoming / Air Force - Under 45
    0.79%: $7.87 to win $20.45

    Central Michigan / Western Michigan - Under 57.5
    & Iowa +2.5
    0.67%: $6.68 to win $17.37

    Penn State / Minnesota - Under 50
    & Iowa +2.5
    0.50%: $4.99 to win $12.97

    Minnesota +16.5
    & Iowa +2.5
    0.50%: $4.98 to win $12.95

    Wyoming / Air Force - Under 45
    & Iowa +2.5
    0.41%: $4.13 to win $10.74









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    Here are my posted picks for this Saturday 10.17.09

    Starting Bankroll: $1,000
    Current Bankroll: $1,000

    PLAYS --

    Central Michigan / Western Michigan - Under 57.5
    9.81%: $98.11 to win $89.19

    Penn State / Minnesota - Under 50
    7.33%: $73.29 to win $66.63

    Minnesota +16.5
    7.32%: $73.15 to win $66.50

    Wyoming / Air Force - Under 45
    6.07%: $60.66 to win $55.14

    Iowa + 2.5
    3.84%: $38.41 to win $34.92

    2 TEAM PARLAYS

    Central Michigan / Western Michigan - Under 57.5
    & Penn State / Minnesota - Under 50
    1.27%: $12.74 to win $33.13

    Central Michigan / Western Michigan - Under 57.5
    & Minnesota + 16.5
    1.27%: $12.72 to win $33.07

    Penn State / Minnesota - Under 50
    & Minnesota +16.5
    0.95%: $9.50 to win $24.71

    Central Michigan / Western Michigan - Under 57.5
    & Wyoming / Air Force - Under 45
    1.05%: $10.55 to win $27.42

    Penn State / Minnesota - Under 50
    & Wyoming / Air Force - Under 45
    0.79%: $7.88 to win $20.49

    Minnesota +16.5
    & Wyoming / Air Force - Under 45
    0.79%: $7.87 to win $20.45

    Central Michigan / Western Michigan - Under 57.5
    & Iowa +2.5
    0.67%: $6.68 to win $17.37

    Penn State / Minnesota - Under 50
    & Iowa +2.5
    0.50%: $4.99 to win $12.97

    Minnesota +16.5
    & Iowa +2.5
    0.50%: $4.98 to win $12.95

    Wyoming / Air Force - Under 45
    & Iowa +2.5
    0.41%: $4.13 to win $10.74









     
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    Posted: Oct. 17, 2009 - 8:23 PM ET #5

    Results from Saturday:

    Central Michigan/Western Michigan - Under 57.5 (57)
    Penn State / Minnesota - Under 50 (50)
    Minnesota +16 (20)
    Wyoming / Air Force - Under 45 (10)
    Iowa +2.5 (-10)

    ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Bet #1: + $89.19
    Bet #2: + $66.63
    Bet #3: - $73.15
    Bet #4: + $55.14
    Bet #5: + $34.92

    Parlays
    Bet #6: + $33.13
    Bet #7: - $12.72
    Bet #8: - $9.50
    Bet #9: + $27.42
    Bet #10: + $20.49
    Bet #11: - $7.87
    Bet #12: + $17.37
    Bet #13: + $12.97
    Bet #14: - $4.98
    Bet #15: + $10.74

    Total Results = + $259.78

    New Bankroll = $1,259.78
    Starting Bankroll = $1,000.00
    ROI = + 25.98%


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    Results from Saturday:

    Central Michigan/Western Michigan - Under 57.5 (57)
    Penn State / Minnesota - Under 50 (50)
    Minnesota +16 (20)
    Wyoming / Air Force - Under 45 (10)
    Iowa +2.5 (-10)

    ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Bet #1: + $89.19
    Bet #2: + $66.63
    Bet #3: - $73.15
    Bet #4: + $55.14
    Bet #5: + $34.92

    Parlays
    Bet #6: + $33.13
    Bet #7: - $12.72
    Bet #8: - $9.50
    Bet #9: + $27.42
    Bet #10: + $20.49
    Bet #11: - $7.87
    Bet #12: + $17.37
    Bet #13: + $12.97
    Bet #14: - $4.98
    Bet #15: + $10.74

    Total Results = + $259.78

    New Bankroll = $1,259.78
    Starting Bankroll = $1,000.00
    ROI = + 25.98%


     
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    Posted: Oct. 17, 2009 - 9:24 PM ET #6

    better than being down a couple hundred
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    Posted: Oct. 17, 2009 - 11:22 PM ET #7

    Quote Originally Posted by Moneyking:

    better than being down a couple hundred




    I don't think hockey will qualify as readable yet this week, and the NFL hasn't hit 6 games yet for plays, so the next set of games will be next Saturday for NCAAF
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moneyking:

    better than being down a couple hundred




    I don't think hockey will qualify as readable yet this week, and the NFL hasn't hit 6 games yet for plays, so the next set of games will be next Saturday for NCAAF
     
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    Posted: Oct. 19, 2009 - 5:26 PM ET #8

    Freaky, do you plan on elaborating on your methods of calculating edge?
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    Posted: Oct. 19, 2009 - 5:42 PM ET #9

    Quote Originally Posted by UsaSurfer:

    Freaky, do you plan on elaborating on your methods of calculating edge?


    Calculating Edge -- Kelly Criterion
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    Freaky, do you plan on elaborating on your methods of calculating edge?


    Calculating Edge -- Kelly Criterion
     
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    Posted: Oct. 19, 2009 - 6:04 PM ET #10

    Well, the predictive system, which is based on elementary and advanced statistics, will calculate a line for the game, along with a standard deviation. It also does the same for the total (a mean and a standard deviation).

    From there you must have a basic understanding of elementary statistics. I use the predictive system line as the mean, the book line as the x-value, and the standard deviation, obviously as the standard deviation in the normal distribution equation.

    If the book line is on a half point for either the spread or total, that means there can not be a tie/push. So I just plug the numbers in, and run the cumulative normal distribution to calculate the chance of winning the bet, thus the inverse would be the chance of losing the bet.

    If the book line is on an even integer, making the possibility of a push, I also calculate the probability of a tie/push. This is done by taking the area in the distribution that lies within a half of point each way of the line. So for example, if a line was 10, the cumulative distribution's lower number or limit is 9.5 and the upper limit/number is 10.5 (limit's really aren't the right term for this technically speaking though). And in this example, anything above 10.5 or below 9.5 would be the probability of a loss or win, depending on the predictive system's line. If there is a chance for a push, I adjust for this. I do this by redistributing that percentage to both the chance for a win and loss accordingly, by using the payout odds. (If there is a 2% chance for a tie, and the odds are -110, I distribute .9524% (2*(10/21)), to the winning percentage already calculated for the game, and then the 1.0476% to the expected losing percentage). This just makes things easier.

    From there, I have an expected winning percentage on each and every line and total. I guess this could be considered the 'edge' for each game. And since I can do this, I calculate each Kelly Wager for each bet, using .25 as my coefficient. (This amount would be the bet if that bet was the only bet taking place at the moment, if it was a sequential bet, which most sports bet aren't). Since most bets are rather simultaneous though, I take the adjusted expecting winning percentage for each game I decide is worthy of playing, and also the book odds and place them in the Kelly Calculator here on Covers and use the suggested % amount for each individual bet and for the two team parlays. (Getting into 3 team parlays and more, is too time consuming and not worth the risk adjusted reward that comes from playing those).

    I hope this helps a little.


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    Well, the predictive system, which is based on elementary and advanced statistics, will calculate a line for the game, along with a standard deviation. It also does the same for the total (a mean and a standard deviation).

    From there you must have a basic understanding of elementary statistics. I use the predictive system line as the mean, the book line as the x-value, and the standard deviation, obviously as the standard deviation in the normal distribution equation.

    If the book line is on a half point for either the spread or total, that means there can not be a tie/push. So I just plug the numbers in, and run the cumulative normal distribution to calculate the chance of winning the bet, thus the inverse would be the chance of losing the bet.

    If the book line is on an even integer, making the possibility of a push, I also calculate the probability of a tie/push. This is done by taking the area in the distribution that lies within a half of point each way of the line. So for example, if a line was 10, the cumulative distribution's lower number or limit is 9.5 and the upper limit/number is 10.5 (limit's really aren't the right term for this technically speaking though). And in this example, anything above 10.5 or below 9.5 would be the probability of a loss or win, depending on the predictive system's line. If there is a chance for a push, I adjust for this. I do this by redistributing that percentage to both the chance for a win and loss accordingly, by using the payout odds. (If there is a 2% chance for a tie, and the odds are -110, I distribute .9524% (2*(10/21)), to the winning percentage already calculated for the game, and then the 1.0476% to the expected losing percentage). This just makes things easier.

    From there, I have an expected winning percentage on each and every line and total. I guess this could be considered the 'edge' for each game. And since I can do this, I calculate each Kelly Wager for each bet, using .25 as my coefficient. (This amount would be the bet if that bet was the only bet taking place at the moment, if it was a sequential bet, which most sports bet aren't). Since most bets are rather simultaneous though, I take the adjusted expecting winning percentage for each game I decide is worthy of playing, and also the book odds and place them in the Kelly Calculator here on Covers and use the suggested % amount for each individual bet and for the two team parlays. (Getting into 3 team parlays and more, is too time consuming and not worth the risk adjusted reward that comes from playing those).

    I hope this helps a little.


     
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    Nice return so far.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nolemonasses:

    Nice return so far.


    Yeah, Saturday was nice no doubt. But there will fairly large swings in the bankroll (both up and down) due to some large variance, so I don't look into or read into that first week there too much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nolemonasses:

    Nice return so far.


    Yeah, Saturday was nice no doubt. But there will fairly large swings in the bankroll (both up and down) due to some large variance, so I don't look into or read into that first week there too much.
     
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    That helps a lot, but I am still curious.

    Sorry if my vocabulary is not clear as I am not even close to a professional handicapper or statistician.  What I meant to ask is if you plan to elaborate on the predictive system that you use to calculate a line for the game. along with the standard deviation.

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    That helps a lot, but I am still curious.

    Sorry if my vocabulary is not clear as I am not even close to a professional handicapper or statistician.  What I meant to ask is if you plan to elaborate on the predictive system that you use to calculate a line for the game. along with the standard deviation.

     
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    The totals were put out tonight, and after reviewing the lines, I decided I like the lines too much in these games to wait to play these games later in the week while messing around with the weekday games. I'm gonna by pass the week day games, even though there were small leans on some sides (Florida St +3).

    Anyways, here's the rundown for Saturday's Games:

    PLAYS

    Game #1 - Oklahoma/Kansas - Under 53.5
    Game #2 - Idaho +15 @ Nevada
    Game #3 - Oregon St. +21 @ So Cal
    Game #4 - Duke -5.5 vs. Maryland
    Game #5 - Iowa PK @ Michigan St.

    Here are the wager amounts for the single plays and for the parlays. The numbers on the picks are the reference numbers for the games above. (This is a lot less typing for me, and still reasonable)

    Single Plays:

    #1: 8.26%: $104.10 to win $94.64
    #2: 7.67%: $96.59 to win $87.81
    #3. 3.43%: $43.21 to win $39.28
    #4. 1.86%: $23.43 to win $21.30
    #5. 1.66%: $20.97 to win $19.06

    Parlays:
    #1 & #2: 12.28%: $154.76 to win $402.37
    #1 & #3: 5.50%: $69.23 to win $179.99
    #2 & #3: 5.10%: $64.23 to win $167.01
    #1 & #4: 2.98%: $37.53 to win $90.55
    #2 & #4: 2.76%: $34.83 to win $90.55
    #3 & #4: 1.24%: $15.58 to win $40.50
    #1 & #5: 2.67%: $33.60 to win $87.36
    #2 & #5: 2.47%: $31.18 to win $81.06
    #3 & #5: 1.11%: $13.95 to win $36.26
    #4 & #5: 0.60%: $7.56 to win $19.66






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    The totals were put out tonight, and after reviewing the lines, I decided I like the lines too much in these games to wait to play these games later in the week while messing around with the weekday games. I'm gonna by pass the week day games, even though there were small leans on some sides (Florida St +3).

    Anyways, here's the rundown for Saturday's Games:

    PLAYS

    Game #1 - Oklahoma/Kansas - Under 53.5
    Game #2 - Idaho +15 @ Nevada
    Game #3 - Oregon St. +21 @ So Cal
    Game #4 - Duke -5.5 vs. Maryland
    Game #5 - Iowa PK @ Michigan St.

    Here are the wager amounts for the single plays and for the parlays. The numbers on the picks are the reference numbers for the games above. (This is a lot less typing for me, and still reasonable)

    Single Plays:

    #1: 8.26%: $104.10 to win $94.64
    #2: 7.67%: $96.59 to win $87.81
    #3. 3.43%: $43.21 to win $39.28
    #4. 1.86%: $23.43 to win $21.30
    #5. 1.66%: $20.97 to win $19.06

    Parlays:
    #1 & #2: 12.28%: $154.76 to win $402.37
    #1 & #3: 5.50%: $69.23 to win $179.99
    #2 & #3: 5.10%: $64.23 to win $167.01
    #1 & #4: 2.98%: $37.53 to win $90.55
    #2 & #4: 2.76%: $34.83 to win $90.55
    #3 & #4: 1.24%: $15.58 to win $40.50
    #1 & #5: 2.67%: $33.60 to win $87.36
    #2 & #5: 2.47%: $31.18 to win $81.06
    #3 & #5: 1.11%: $13.95 to win $36.26
    #4 & #5: 0.60%: $7.56 to win $19.66






     
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    Good stuff man........
    Best of luck
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    Good stuff man........
    Best of luck
     
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    Like I said in the first post, this is only for documentation purposes, as I am not even betting on these games. So I realized that I screwed up big time earlier this week on Tuesday night, when I posted the money and percentage values of the wagers. I posted the wrong ones. The above post was the bets at a full Kelly wager, which is a big mistake. I had the .25 Kelly unit wager copied down as well, but posted the wrong one.

    Since this is extremely early, and because no one even seems to care at this point anyways, I am going to post the wagers I meant to post earlier this week. I don't mean to do this than for any other reason to stay consistent with the guidelines I posted for verifying the truth. So here are the new wager amounts and what I will will take into account for this week (not the prior ones)

    GAMES (the same)

    #1. Oklahoma/Kansas - Under 53.5
    #2. Idaho +15 @ Nevada
    #3. Oregon St. +21 @ So. Cal
    #4. Duke -5.5 vs. Maryland
    #5. Iowa PK @ Michigan St.

    WAGERS
    (Individual Games)
    #1. 11.62%: $146.42 to win $133.11
    #2. 11.08%: $139.55 to win $126.86
    #3. 6.30%: $79.40 to win $ 72.18
    #4. 3.88%: $48.84 to win $44.40
    #5. 3.53%: $44.52 to win $40.47

    (Parlays)
    1 & 2: 2.43%: $30.65 to win $79.70
    1 & 3: 1.38%: $17.44 to win $45.35
    2 & 3: 1.32%: $16.62 to win $43.22
    1 & 4: 0.85%: $10.73 to win $27.90
    2 & 4: 0.81%: $10.23 to win $26.59
    3 & 4: 0.46%: $5.82 to win $15.13
    1 & 5: 0.78%: $9.78 to win $25.43
    2 & 5: 0.74%: $9.32 to win $24.23
    3 & 5: 0.42%: $5.30 to win $13.79
    4 & 5: 0.26%: $3.26 to win $8.48
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    Like I said in the first post, this is only for documentation purposes, as I am not even betting on these games. So I realized that I screwed up big time earlier this week on Tuesday night, when I posted the money and percentage values of the wagers. I posted the wrong ones. The above post was the bets at a full Kelly wager, which is a big mistake. I had the .25 Kelly unit wager copied down as well, but posted the wrong one.

    Since this is extremely early, and because no one even seems to care at this point anyways, I am going to post the wagers I meant to post earlier this week. I don't mean to do this than for any other reason to stay consistent with the guidelines I posted for verifying the truth. So here are the new wager amounts and what I will will take into account for this week (not the prior ones)

    GAMES (the same)

    #1. Oklahoma/Kansas - Under 53.5
    #2. Idaho +15 @ Nevada
    #3. Oregon St. +21 @ So. Cal
    #4. Duke -5.5 vs. Maryland
    #5. Iowa PK @ Michigan St.

    WAGERS
    (Individual Games)
    #1. 11.62%: $146.42 to win $133.11
    #2. 11.08%: $139.55 to win $126.86
    #3. 6.30%: $79.40 to win $ 72.18
    #4. 3.88%: $48.84 to win $44.40
    #5. 3.53%: $44.52 to win $40.47

    (Parlays)
    1 & 2: 2.43%: $30.65 to win $79.70
    1 & 3: 1.38%: $17.44 to win $45.35
    2 & 3: 1.32%: $16.62 to win $43.22
    1 & 4: 0.85%: $10.73 to win $27.90
    2 & 4: 0.81%: $10.23 to win $26.59
    3 & 4: 0.46%: $5.82 to win $15.13
    1 & 5: 0.78%: $9.78 to win $25.43
    2 & 5: 0.74%: $9.32 to win $24.23
    3 & 5: 0.42%: $5.30 to win $13.79
    4 & 5: 0.26%: $3.26 to win $8.48
     
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    Posted: Oct. 23, 2009 - 10:33 AM ET #17

    Freaky, I was looking through your picks and comparing them to Friday's lines.  I found it very interesting that 4 of your 5 picks have had their lines moved by at least a point.  I am not sure exactly what this means other than the public is probably betting the exact opposite of all your picks.

    I love it when that happens.

    Kansas Under 56, Idaho +16, Duke -4, Iowa +1.5

    If this trend continues, maybe you ought to wait until later in the week next time before you lock them in.

     

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    Freaky, I was looking through your picks and comparing them to Friday's lines.  I found it very interesting that 4 of your 5 picks have had their lines moved by at least a point.  I am not sure exactly what this means other than the public is probably betting the exact opposite of all your picks.

    I love it when that happens.

    Kansas Under 56, Idaho +16, Duke -4, Iowa +1.5

    If this trend continues, maybe you ought to wait until later in the week next time before you lock them in.

     

     
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    Posted: Oct. 23, 2009 - 11:22 AM ET #18

    Quote Originally Posted by UsaSurfer:

    Freaky, I was looking through your picks and comparing them to Friday's lines.  I found it very interesting that 4 of your 5 picks have had their lines moved by at least a point.  I am not sure exactly what this means other than the public is probably betting the exact opposite of all your picks.

    I love it when that happens.

    Kansas Under 56, Idaho +16, Duke -4, Iowa +1.5

    If this trend continues, maybe you ought to wait until later in the week next time before you lock them in.

     



    Yeah man, I seen that too. It's something I'll keep in mind. I also anticipate posting Saturday's games later anyways because I'm probably going to have some games during the week I want to post. I could have done it this week, but for some reason I didn't and laid off the leans on the weekday games, which were Tulsa/UTEP, Under 57 (Winner), and Army (+10.5) tonight.

    Also, there are 3 NFL games this week that pit both teams with 6 games played against each other (Min-Pit, NE-TB, NYJ-Oak). That gives me 6 possible plays (Spread, and O/U). I'm definitely loving 2 plays right now, (Min +5.5 and NYJ/Oak Under 34.5), but I won't post anything for these until Sunday, when my bankroll is complete from Saturday's games. This also gives me the chance for more line movement.

    I think your right though, all my plays really are ones that fade the line movement direction. The only conclusion I can draw from this is that this system heavily favors and dogs, and almost exclusively favors the under. Some people might be scared away from the under in game like the Jets and Raiders on Sunday, because it is so low. Yet, I think counter opposite that and believe the real line should really be lower than that (as the predictive system), but if it was any lower than that there would be no way that they could get even money on that wager.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UsaSurfer:

    Freaky, I was looking through your picks and comparing them to Friday's lines.  I found it very interesting that 4 of your 5 picks have had their lines moved by at least a point.  I am not sure exactly what this means other than the public is probably betting the exact opposite of all your picks.

    I love it when that happens.

    Kansas Under 56, Idaho +16, Duke -4, Iowa +1.5

    If this trend continues, maybe you ought to wait until later in the week next time before you lock them in.

     



    Yeah man, I seen that too. It's something I'll keep in mind. I also anticipate posting Saturday's games later anyways because I'm probably going to have some games during the week I want to post. I could have done it this week, but for some reason I didn't and laid off the leans on the weekday games, which were Tulsa/UTEP, Under 57 (Winner), and Army (+10.5) tonight.

    Also, there are 3 NFL games this week that pit both teams with 6 games played against each other (Min-Pit, NE-TB, NYJ-Oak). That gives me 6 possible plays (Spread, and O/U). I'm definitely loving 2 plays right now, (Min +5.5 and NYJ/Oak Under 34.5), but I won't post anything for these until Sunday, when my bankroll is complete from Saturday's games. This also gives me the chance for more line movement.

    I think your right though, all my plays really are ones that fade the line movement direction. The only conclusion I can draw from this is that this system heavily favors and dogs, and almost exclusively favors the under. Some people might be scared away from the under in game like the Jets and Raiders on Sunday, because it is so low. Yet, I think counter opposite that and believe the real line should really be lower than that (as the predictive system), but if it was any lower than that there would be no way that they could get even money on that wager.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 23, 2009 - 2:25 PM ET #19

    So you aren't playing these with real money b/c you don't buy your own theory just yet? Waiting to see if it has merit?

    If so, at what point or % of success would you then go to putting $ on it?

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    So you aren't playing these with real money b/c you don't buy your own theory just yet? Waiting to see if it has merit?

    If so, at what point or % of success would you then go to putting $ on it?

     
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    Posted: Oct. 23, 2009 - 4:53 PM ET #20

    I believe in the fundamentals and groundwork of the system, which is obviously the most important thing, even more than the results I guess. I just want to make sure the the results match up with what I believe, and for me personally, I would want to see what an entire season has to bring for each sport. That's just me though, I'm extremely conservative and like for things to match up before I actually go do something myself. Like I said, this is for documentation.

    Now like I said, I really do trust the groundwork and basics that the system is built on, so there really is no perfect time, point, or percentage I plan to reach before actually wagering, that's more of a subjective and personal things. It's really up to the individual, and when they feel ready to.
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    I believe in the fundamentals and groundwork of the system, which is obviously the most important thing, even more than the results I guess. I just want to make sure the the results match up with what I believe, and for me personally, I would want to see what an entire season has to bring for each sport. That's just me though, I'm extremely conservative and like for things to match up before I actually go do something myself. Like I said, this is for documentation.

    Now like I said, I really do trust the groundwork and basics that the system is built on, so there really is no perfect time, point, or percentage I plan to reach before actually wagering, that's more of a subjective and personal things. It's really up to the individual, and when they feel ready to.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 23, 2009 - 11:57 PM ET #21

    Hey Freaky, have you ever looked at flat betting. I have flip-flopped on all kinds of strategies but the one thing I picked up from the forums that I have stuck with is flat betting as explained by VanZack.

    Good Luck Tomorrow 

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    Hey Freaky, have you ever looked at flat betting. I have flip-flopped on all kinds of strategies but the one thing I picked up from the forums that I have stuck with is flat betting as explained by VanZack.

    Good Luck Tomorrow 

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by dufresne:

    Hey Freaky, have you ever looked at flat betting. I have flip-flopped on all kinds of strategies but the one thing I picked up from the forums that I have stuck with is flat betting as explained by VanZack.

    Good Luck Tomorrow 



    Dufresne, I have in fact looked at/ experimented with flat batting. I mean most people do, as this seems to be the most basic of any money management system. (I don't say basic to be degrading either, but just the most simple). That is kind of actually why I want to test this Kelly Criteria system here.

    I love to expand my knowledge base, and if you could possibly post/redirect/ or just touch up on VanZack's post about flat betting I would actually enjoy reading it and possibly commenting on it.

    Good Luck to you tomorrow as well if you're on any games bud
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    Quote Originally Posted by dufresne:

    Hey Freaky, have you ever looked at flat betting. I have flip-flopped on all kinds of strategies but the one thing I picked up from the forums that I have stuck with is flat betting as explained by VanZack.

    Good Luck Tomorrow 



    Dufresne, I have in fact looked at/ experimented with flat batting. I mean most people do, as this seems to be the most basic of any money management system. (I don't say basic to be degrading either, but just the most simple). That is kind of actually why I want to test this Kelly Criteria system here.

    I love to expand my knowledge base, and if you could possibly post/redirect/ or just touch up on VanZack's post about flat betting I would actually enjoy reading it and possibly commenting on it.

    Good Luck to you tomorrow as well if you're on any games bud
     
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    Posted: Oct. 24, 2009 - 1:16 AM ET #23

    too smart for me! Keep it going. I like some of the plays for saturday btw.
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    too smart for me! Keep it going. I like some of the plays for saturday btw.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 25, 2009 - 1:02 AM ET #24

    Saturday's NCAAF Results (October 25th)

    1. Oklahoma/Kansas - Under 53.5 (48)
    2. Idaho +15 (25)
    3. Oregon St. +21 (6)
    4. Duke -5.5
    5. Iowa PK (-2)

    Today's NCAAF Picks (3-2)
    Total NCAAF Picks (7-3)

    Today's Bet Results
    (Single Bets)
    #1. $133.11
    #2. -$139.55
    #3. $72.18
    #4. -$48.84
    #5. $40.47

    (Parlays)
    #6. -$30.65
    #7. 45.35
    #8. -$16.62
    #9. -$10.73
    #10. -$10.23
    #11. -$5.82
    #12. $25.43
    #13. -$9.32
    #14. $13.79
    #15. -$3.26

    Today's Starting NCAAF Bankroll: $1,259.78
    Today's NCAAF Net Results: $55.30
    Today's Ending NCAAF Bankroll: $1,315.08
    Today's Return ROI: 4.39%
    Cumulative ROI: 31.15%




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    Saturday's NCAAF Results (October 25th)

    1. Oklahoma/Kansas - Under 53.5 (48)
    2. Idaho +15 (25)
    3. Oregon St. +21 (6)
    4. Duke -5.5
    5. Iowa PK (-2)

    Today's NCAAF Picks (3-2)
    Total NCAAF Picks (7-3)

    Today's Bet Results
    (Single Bets)
    #1. $133.11
    #2. -$139.55
    #3. $72.18
    #4. -$48.84
    #5. $40.47

    (Parlays)
    #6. -$30.65
    #7. 45.35
    #8. -$16.62
    #9. -$10.73
    #10. -$10.23
    #11. -$5.82
    #12. $25.43
    #13. -$9.32
    #14. $13.79
    #15. -$3.26

    Today's Starting NCAAF Bankroll: $1,259.78
    Today's NCAAF Net Results: $55.30
    Today's Ending NCAAF Bankroll: $1,315.08
    Today's Return ROI: 4.39%
    Cumulative ROI: 31.15%




     
     
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    Another profitable day in the NCAAF. Quick notes on the games, I mean I thought Idaho could hang into the 40's or 50's and cover but not into the 70's wow... Duke had multiple chances to cover -5.5 but couldn't... That was made up by Iowa staying unbeaten miraculously and also covering on the last play.

    I decided instead of running 1 continuous bankroll that covered all sports and everything, I am going to separate them and run multiple bankrolls for different sports, having them start out with $1,000 each. I obviously have the NCAAF running above so far, but I'm going to add an NFL one on here now for tomorrow's games. Here are Sunday's (Oct 25th) plays for the NFL:

    NFL Starting Bankroll (Oct 25th): $1,000

    Plays:
    #1: Minnesota +6 vs. Pittsburgh
    #2: New York Jets/Oakland - Under 34.5

    Bets:
    (Single)
    #1. 9.89%: $98.92 to win $89.93
    #2. 8.62%: $86.23 to win $78.39

    (Parlay)
    1 & 2: 1.06%: $10.61 to win $27.58

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    Another profitable day in the NCAAF. Quick notes on the games, I mean I thought Idaho could hang into the 40's or 50's and cover but not into the 70's wow... Duke had multiple chances to cover -5.5 but couldn't... That was made up by Iowa staying unbeaten miraculously and also covering on the last play.

    I decided instead of running 1 continuous bankroll that covered all sports and everything, I am going to separate them and run multiple bankrolls for different sports, having them start out with $1,000 each. I obviously have the NCAAF running above so far, but I'm going to add an NFL one on here now for tomorrow's games. Here are Sunday's (Oct 25th) plays for the NFL:

    NFL Starting Bankroll (Oct 25th): $1,000

    Plays:
    #1: Minnesota +6 vs. Pittsburgh
    #2: New York Jets/Oakland - Under 34.5

    Bets:
    (Single)
    #1. 9.89%: $98.92 to win $89.93
    #2. 8.62%: $86.23 to win $78.39

    (Parlay)
    1 & 2: 1.06%: $10.61 to win $27.58

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