Thats why clowns like you never win in Tennis. Their current forms are evenly matched and H2H is irrelevant.
So you feel head to head in individual sport is irrelevant? I don’t think it carries a ton of weight but ot carries some. If a guy has beaten you 10 out of 12, that has to register a bit psychologically, no?
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Quote Originally Posted by pindex:
Thats why clowns like you never win in Tennis. Their current forms are evenly matched and H2H is irrelevant.
So you feel head to head in individual sport is irrelevant? I don’t think it carries a ton of weight but ot carries some. If a guy has beaten you 10 out of 12, that has to register a bit psychologically, no?
I hear ya but their head to head record on clay matters. Their performance on clay matters. I understand the present time is most important but psychologically.....you can’t tell me that either one of these guys isn’t aware of the others success/lack there of against one another. As they rest until tomorrow getting that extra time, you can bet that Cilic has extra motivation to get a W from a guy who he has trouble against but you can also bet that delpo is gaining extra confidence knowing he hasn’t played the greatest of first sets and is right there. It’s 100% even right now which makes tomorrow all the more exciting. 0-6 on breaks has to frustrate Delpo but it also has to give him fuel knowing he’s right there. Cilic on the other hand.....hasn’t had near the amount so if his serve continues to be all or nothing, Delpo imo has the advantage. We’ll see.....
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I hear ya but their head to head record on clay matters. Their performance on clay matters. I understand the present time is most important but psychologically.....you can’t tell me that either one of these guys isn’t aware of the others success/lack there of against one another. As they rest until tomorrow getting that extra time, you can bet that Cilic has extra motivation to get a W from a guy who he has trouble against but you can also bet that delpo is gaining extra confidence knowing he hasn’t played the greatest of first sets and is right there. It’s 100% even right now which makes tomorrow all the more exciting. 0-6 on breaks has to frustrate Delpo but it also has to give him fuel knowing he’s right there. Cilic on the other hand.....hasn’t had near the amount so if his serve continues to be all or nothing, Delpo imo has the advantage. We’ll see.....
I hear ya but their head to head record on clay matters. Their performance on clay matters. I understand the present time is most important but psychologically.....you can’t tell me that either one of these guys isn’t aware of the others success/lack there of against one another. As they rest until tomorrow getting that extra time, you can bet that Cilic has extra motivation to get a W from a guy who he has trouble against but you can also bet that delpo is gaining extra confidence knowing he hasn’t played the greatest of first sets and is right there. It’s 100% even right now which makes tomorrow all the more exciting. 0-6 on breaks has to frustrate Delpo but it also has to give him fuel knowing he’s right there. Cilic on the other hand.....hasn’t had near the amount so if his serve continues to be all or nothing, Delpo imo has the advantage. We’ll see.....
Just my opinion but their clay h2h is irrelevant because it is outdated and they both know it. Their clay encounters occurred when Cilic wasn't a top 10 player nor a slam contender and Del Potro played a different style, while Cilic has the better recent slam record. I agree about the rest but it will be Cilic who goes away with the feeling that he played an ordinary set and is lucky to be in it as he barely fired a shot off serve (seemingly by design to stay conservative until later in the set/match)
A lot will hinge on that first point back in the tb as it's hard to nail your serve straight up however i do think the break might help Del Po forget those missed bp chances. If he had lost the tiebreak last night after dominating the set i could have seen him crumbling if Cilic grabbed an early break in set 2 while now i think he will just mentally restart the match if he loses it and likewise with Cilic.
I like Del Po to win but it's an emotional decision over a calculated one given Cilics slam performances. The +4 Cilic looks like great value fading the public sentiment for Del Po as it looks like there's going to be at least a couple of cointoss sets that hinge on a point or two.
Good luck.
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Quote Originally Posted by Achilles1629:
I hear ya but their head to head record on clay matters. Their performance on clay matters. I understand the present time is most important but psychologically.....you can’t tell me that either one of these guys isn’t aware of the others success/lack there of against one another. As they rest until tomorrow getting that extra time, you can bet that Cilic has extra motivation to get a W from a guy who he has trouble against but you can also bet that delpo is gaining extra confidence knowing he hasn’t played the greatest of first sets and is right there. It’s 100% even right now which makes tomorrow all the more exciting. 0-6 on breaks has to frustrate Delpo but it also has to give him fuel knowing he’s right there. Cilic on the other hand.....hasn’t had near the amount so if his serve continues to be all or nothing, Delpo imo has the advantage. We’ll see.....
Just my opinion but their clay h2h is irrelevant because it is outdated and they both know it. Their clay encounters occurred when Cilic wasn't a top 10 player nor a slam contender and Del Potro played a different style, while Cilic has the better recent slam record. I agree about the rest but it will be Cilic who goes away with the feeling that he played an ordinary set and is lucky to be in it as he barely fired a shot off serve (seemingly by design to stay conservative until later in the set/match)
A lot will hinge on that first point back in the tb as it's hard to nail your serve straight up however i do think the break might help Del Po forget those missed bp chances. If he had lost the tiebreak last night after dominating the set i could have seen him crumbling if Cilic grabbed an early break in set 2 while now i think he will just mentally restart the match if he loses it and likewise with Cilic.
I like Del Po to win but it's an emotional decision over a calculated one given Cilics slam performances. The +4 Cilic looks like great value fading the public sentiment for Del Po as it looks like there's going to be at least a couple of cointoss sets that hinge on a point or two.
I hear ya but their head to head record on clay matters. Their performance on clay matters. I understand the present time is most important but psychologically.....you can’t tell me that either one of these guys isn’t aware of the others success/lack there of against one another. As they rest until tomorrow getting that extra time, you can bet that Cilic has extra motivation to get a W from a guy who he has trouble against but you can also bet that delpo is gaining extra confidence knowing he hasn’t played the greatest of first sets and is right there. It’s 100% even right now which makes tomorrow all the more exciting. 0-6 on breaks has to frustrate Delpo but it also has to give him fuel knowing he’s right there. Cilic on the other hand.....hasn’t had near the amount so if his serve continues to be all or nothing, Delpo imo has the advantage. We’ll see.....
Just my opinion but their clay h2h is irrelevant because it is outdated and they both know it. Their clay encounters occurred when Cilic wasn't a top 10 player nor a slam contender and Del Potro played a different style, while Cilic has the better recent slam record. I agree about the rest but it will be Cilic who goes away with the feeling that he played an ordinary set and is lucky to be in it as he barely fired a shot off serve (seemingly by design to stay conservative until later in the set/match)A lot will hinge on that first point back in the tb as it's hard to nail your serve straight up however i do think the break might help Del Po forget those missed bp chances. If he had lost the tiebreak last night after dominating the set i could have seen him crumbling if Cilic grabbed an early break in set 2 while now i think he will just mentally restart the match if he loses it and likewise with Cilic.I like Del Po to win but it's an emotional decision over a calculated one given Cilics slam performances. The +4 Cilic looks like great value fading the public sentiment for Del Po as it looks like there's going to be at least a couple of cointoss sets that hinge on a point or two.Good luck.
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Quote Originally Posted by dimitripro:
Quote Originally Posted by Achilles1629:
I hear ya but their head to head record on clay matters. Their performance on clay matters. I understand the present time is most important but psychologically.....you can’t tell me that either one of these guys isn’t aware of the others success/lack there of against one another. As they rest until tomorrow getting that extra time, you can bet that Cilic has extra motivation to get a W from a guy who he has trouble against but you can also bet that delpo is gaining extra confidence knowing he hasn’t played the greatest of first sets and is right there. It’s 100% even right now which makes tomorrow all the more exciting. 0-6 on breaks has to frustrate Delpo but it also has to give him fuel knowing he’s right there. Cilic on the other hand.....hasn’t had near the amount so if his serve continues to be all or nothing, Delpo imo has the advantage. We’ll see.....
Just my opinion but their clay h2h is irrelevant because it is outdated and they both know it. Their clay encounters occurred when Cilic wasn't a top 10 player nor a slam contender and Del Potro played a different style, while Cilic has the better recent slam record. I agree about the rest but it will be Cilic who goes away with the feeling that he played an ordinary set and is lucky to be in it as he barely fired a shot off serve (seemingly by design to stay conservative until later in the set/match)A lot will hinge on that first point back in the tb as it's hard to nail your serve straight up however i do think the break might help Del Po forget those missed bp chances. If he had lost the tiebreak last night after dominating the set i could have seen him crumbling if Cilic grabbed an early break in set 2 while now i think he will just mentally restart the match if he loses it and likewise with Cilic.I like Del Po to win but it's an emotional decision over a calculated one given Cilics slam performances. The +4 Cilic looks like great value fading the public sentiment for Del Po as it looks like there's going to be at least a couple of cointoss sets that hinge on a point or two.Good luck.
Just my opinion but their clay h2h is irrelevant because it is outdated and they both know it. Their clay encounters occurred when Cilic wasn't a top 10 player nor a slam contender and Del Potro played a different style, while Cilic has the better recent slam record. I agree about the rest but it will be Cilic who goes away with the feeling that he played an ordinary set and is lucky to be in it as he barely fired a shot off serve (seemingly by design to stay conservative until later in the set/match)
A lot will hinge on that first point back in the tb as it's hard to nail your serve straight up however i do think the break might help Del Po forget those missed bp chances. If he had lost the tiebreak last night after dominating the set i could have seen him crumbling if Cilic grabbed an early break in set 2 while now i think he will just mentally restart the match if he loses it and likewise with Cilic.
I like Del Po to win but it's an emotional decision over a calculated one given Cilics slam performances. The +4 Cilic looks like great value fading the public sentiment for Del Po as it looks like there's going to be at least a couple of cointoss sets that hinge on a point or two.
Good luck.
Good stuff here. I think it’s safe to say that neither player played a great first set. Delpo 0-6 in break opportunities and the big one when being up 0-30 at 5-5....he couldn’t get it done. As for Cilic, he had 11 aces but Cilic’s second serve was subpar which somewhat evened things out. The difference for me going forward will be the weather. With no rain in the forecast and humidity not as bad, Delpo should have the edge imo. It’s the same in the Nadal match for Nadal. I totally agree with that first point of the tb being ultra important because if Delpo doesn’t win it, there’s a very good chance Cilic prolly takes the first set. We saw after the first rain delay, down 0-30, Cilic fight back to win that game so can Delpo do the same in getting out to a fast start. Nevertheless, whoever wins that first set....it will be very interesting to see how the other responds. I’m a bit surprised that the ML prices are where they are at. Currently Delpo is at -225 or so and Cilic is about +185. This is a bit off from prematch MLs where Delpo was -190 and Cilic was +160. Interesting how tied the MLs changed so much.
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Quote Originally Posted by dimitripro:
Just my opinion but their clay h2h is irrelevant because it is outdated and they both know it. Their clay encounters occurred when Cilic wasn't a top 10 player nor a slam contender and Del Potro played a different style, while Cilic has the better recent slam record. I agree about the rest but it will be Cilic who goes away with the feeling that he played an ordinary set and is lucky to be in it as he barely fired a shot off serve (seemingly by design to stay conservative until later in the set/match)
A lot will hinge on that first point back in the tb as it's hard to nail your serve straight up however i do think the break might help Del Po forget those missed bp chances. If he had lost the tiebreak last night after dominating the set i could have seen him crumbling if Cilic grabbed an early break in set 2 while now i think he will just mentally restart the match if he loses it and likewise with Cilic.
I like Del Po to win but it's an emotional decision over a calculated one given Cilics slam performances. The +4 Cilic looks like great value fading the public sentiment for Del Po as it looks like there's going to be at least a couple of cointoss sets that hinge on a point or two.
Good luck.
Good stuff here. I think it’s safe to say that neither player played a great first set. Delpo 0-6 in break opportunities and the big one when being up 0-30 at 5-5....he couldn’t get it done. As for Cilic, he had 11 aces but Cilic’s second serve was subpar which somewhat evened things out. The difference for me going forward will be the weather. With no rain in the forecast and humidity not as bad, Delpo should have the edge imo. It’s the same in the Nadal match for Nadal. I totally agree with that first point of the tb being ultra important because if Delpo doesn’t win it, there’s a very good chance Cilic prolly takes the first set. We saw after the first rain delay, down 0-30, Cilic fight back to win that game so can Delpo do the same in getting out to a fast start. Nevertheless, whoever wins that first set....it will be very interesting to see how the other responds. I’m a bit surprised that the ML prices are where they are at. Currently Delpo is at -225 or so and Cilic is about +185. This is a bit off from prematch MLs where Delpo was -190 and Cilic was +160. Interesting how tied the MLs changed so much.
Good stuff here. I think it’s safe to say that neither player played a great first set. Delpo 0-6 in break opportunities and the big one when being up 0-30 at 5-5....he couldn’t get it done. As for Cilic, he had 11 aces but Cilic’s second serve was subpar which somewhat evened things out. The difference for me going forward will be the weather. With no rain in the forecast and humidity not as bad, Delpo should have the edge imo. It’s the same in the Nadal match for Nadal. I totally agree with that first point of the tb being ultra important because if Delpo doesn’t win it, there’s a very good chance Cilic prolly takes the first set. We saw after the first rain delay, down 0-30, Cilic fight back to win that game so can Delpo do the same in getting out to a fast start. Nevertheless, whoever wins that first set....it will be very interesting to see how the other responds. I’m a bit surprised that the ML prices are where they are at. Currently Delpo is at -225 or so and Cilic is about +185. This is a bit off from prematch MLs where Delpo was -190 and Cilic was +160. Interesting how tied the MLs changed so much.
Yea can't disagree with you. The money line is very fascinating as usually the underdog line shortens the longer they stay level. On top of that Cilic gets an extra days rest after his 5 setter against Fognini which played a part in the initial line. A lot of people must have been getting on Del Po live.
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Quote Originally Posted by Achilles1629:
Good stuff here. I think it’s safe to say that neither player played a great first set. Delpo 0-6 in break opportunities and the big one when being up 0-30 at 5-5....he couldn’t get it done. As for Cilic, he had 11 aces but Cilic’s second serve was subpar which somewhat evened things out. The difference for me going forward will be the weather. With no rain in the forecast and humidity not as bad, Delpo should have the edge imo. It’s the same in the Nadal match for Nadal. I totally agree with that first point of the tb being ultra important because if Delpo doesn’t win it, there’s a very good chance Cilic prolly takes the first set. We saw after the first rain delay, down 0-30, Cilic fight back to win that game so can Delpo do the same in getting out to a fast start. Nevertheless, whoever wins that first set....it will be very interesting to see how the other responds. I’m a bit surprised that the ML prices are where they are at. Currently Delpo is at -225 or so and Cilic is about +185. This is a bit off from prematch MLs where Delpo was -190 and Cilic was +160. Interesting how tied the MLs changed so much.
Yea can't disagree with you. The money line is very fascinating as usually the underdog line shortens the longer they stay level. On top of that Cilic gets an extra days rest after his 5 setter against Fognini which played a part in the initial line. A lot of people must have been getting on Del Po live.
I may be in the minority here but I feel this match is a coin flip. I’m not saying this either after watching the first set today. I felt this way before the match started. I understood pre match that Cilic going 5 and Delpo winning with ease against Isner would reflect the ML prices but as you, DIMITRI, and I both stated in this thread and another, to see the ML climb for Cilic? That surprises me. And when I looked up the ML prices once the match was suspended and scheduled to resume tomorrow, the initial line was -225 so I’m not so sure that the public had already bet that up to that price. The books threw that out there immediately. In looking at those lines right now, you’d think the public will grab Cilic considering they are getting more value with the match being tied. Is that a gift? Not so sure.....
The rest no doubt helps Cilic considering his last match went the distance but I think it will help Delpo a lot too. A break or two out of those 6 and it’s a different story here for tomorrow. I can’t say that the match being postponed until tomorrow favors anyone based off of their actual play because if the match would have continued and finished today, I think it would have been a dogfight for sure just like I think it will be a dogfight tomorrow. Call me crazy but if Delpo plays his game and is a bit more efficient with his errors and winners, Cilic gets owned. In contrast, the Nadal match being suspended until tomorrow helps Nadal a ton. That dude is a beast psychologically and I’m sure he’s like a caged animal tonite wanting to get back out there and show the Schwartz what’s up. With Cilic and Delpo though, nonidea which makes it very intriguing.
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I may be in the minority here but I feel this match is a coin flip. I’m not saying this either after watching the first set today. I felt this way before the match started. I understood pre match that Cilic going 5 and Delpo winning with ease against Isner would reflect the ML prices but as you, DIMITRI, and I both stated in this thread and another, to see the ML climb for Cilic? That surprises me. And when I looked up the ML prices once the match was suspended and scheduled to resume tomorrow, the initial line was -225 so I’m not so sure that the public had already bet that up to that price. The books threw that out there immediately. In looking at those lines right now, you’d think the public will grab Cilic considering they are getting more value with the match being tied. Is that a gift? Not so sure.....
The rest no doubt helps Cilic considering his last match went the distance but I think it will help Delpo a lot too. A break or two out of those 6 and it’s a different story here for tomorrow. I can’t say that the match being postponed until tomorrow favors anyone based off of their actual play because if the match would have continued and finished today, I think it would have been a dogfight for sure just like I think it will be a dogfight tomorrow. Call me crazy but if Delpo plays his game and is a bit more efficient with his errors and winners, Cilic gets owned. In contrast, the Nadal match being suspended until tomorrow helps Nadal a ton. That dude is a beast psychologically and I’m sure he’s like a caged animal tonite wanting to get back out there and show the Schwartz what’s up. With Cilic and Delpo though, nonidea which makes it very intriguing.
Achilles, if you posted more often in the tennis forum, we all would be better off for it...always enjoy your insight and thoughtful approach to how you see things...you have a great feel for sports in general from what ive always read of yours and would highly encourage you stick around these parts throughout the summer tennis grind.
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Achilles, if you posted more often in the tennis forum, we all would be better off for it...always enjoy your insight and thoughtful approach to how you see things...you have a great feel for sports in general from what ive always read of yours and would highly encourage you stick around these parts throughout the summer tennis grind.
Achilles, if you posted more often in the tennis forum, we all would be better off for it...always enjoy your insight and thoughtful approach to how you see things...you have a great feel for sports in general from what ive always read of yours and would highly encourage you stick around these parts throughout the summer tennis grind.
Thanks amigo. The feeling is mutual. Looking forward to tomorrow.
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Quote Originally Posted by packersbackers:
Achilles, if you posted more often in the tennis forum, we all would be better off for it...always enjoy your insight and thoughtful approach to how you see things...you have a great feel for sports in general from what ive always read of yours and would highly encourage you stick around these parts throughout the summer tennis grind.
Thanks amigo. The feeling is mutual. Looking forward to tomorrow.
All that sh@t talking and bs of calling people dumb and losers and you get a PUSH? A PUSH? Are you kidding me? Take some ownership and admit you were a pos in the other thread. I don’t expect you to but you look dumb right now. I know for a fact I’m not the only one who feels that way too. Good luck on your model and the other matches going forward.
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Quote Originally Posted by pindex:
Push.
Gift = push
All that sh@t talking and bs of calling people dumb and losers and you get a PUSH? A PUSH? Are you kidding me? Take some ownership and admit you were a pos in the other thread. I don’t expect you to but you look dumb right now. I know for a fact I’m not the only one who feels that way too. Good luck on your model and the other matches going forward.
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