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#26
He's won plenty of them in the Djoker era. More than enough.
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Is Nadal the best modern day tennis player?
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#27
Quote Originally Posted by tennisnick12:
He won them all in the Federer era, but definitely not in the djokovic era.
LOL what era is DJOKOVIC in then? Cause the last time I remember he's about a year younger than Nadal. Nadal matured as a tennis player at an earlier age than Novak and won grand slams earlier in his career. It took Djokovic a lot longer to get to superstar status. As of now Fed is still known as the greatest to ever play the game. Nadal is not far behind with 14 grand slams. If Nadal wins a couple more grand slams on the hard court or grass it will help solidify his greatness.
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#28
Quote Originally Posted by scitommy:
Federer and Jordan for me.
Despite Nadal having the hd to hd, Federer has the better overall results on everything else except clay.
Federer has a much better resume on outdoor hard, indoor hard and grass and it's not like Fed sucks on clay either as he's been #2 on the surface forever.
Fed is the more consistent player on all surfaces and Grand Slams. No one will ever touch Federer's Semis record.
Throw in a Slam Indoors and Fed has 5 more GS's. There's a reason Federer has won the Year ending Indoor tourney 10 times.
I feel like Outdoor hard court is the most neutral court going as almost everyone can play on it. Fed has won 5 of each Slam, while Nadal has 3.
I don't think you can be considered the GOAT with only 3 slams on the most neutral and most played surface.
I do not particularly like Jordan, but he's the best in my opinion. He has done more with the least as I see it. Throw in the fact Jordan had very little to no physical advantage and it's a no brainer for me.
Wilt, Shaq, Russell, Magic, Lebron were/are all physically dominant at their position.
Just my opinion and the way I see it.
Federer and Jordan for me.
Despite Nadal having the hd to hd, Federer has the better overall results on everything else except clay.
Federer has a much better resume on outdoor hard, indoor hard and grass and it's not like Fed sucks on clay either as he's been #2 on the surface forever.
Fed is the more consistent player on all surfaces and Grand Slams. No one will ever touch Federer's Semis record.
Throw in a Slam Indoors and Fed has 5 more GS's. There's a reason Federer has won the Year ending Indoor tourney 10 times.
I feel like Outdoor hard court is the most neutral court going as almost everyone can play on it. Fed has won 5 of each Slam, while Nadal has 3.
I don't think you can be considered the GOAT with only 3 slams on the most neutral and most played surface.
I do not particularly like Jordan, but he's the best in my opinion. He has done more with the least as I see it. Throw in the fact Jordan had very little to no physical advantage and it's a no brainer for me.
Wilt, Shaq, Russell, Magic, Lebron were/are all physically dominant at their position.
Just my opinion and the way I see it.
Nor can you be considered the greatest when the multiple slam winners of your era all owned you. He has a losing record against Murray, crushed h2h by Nadal, and Djoko will scream past Fed too in short order. Think about that in any other era, it's laughable.
What claim would Johnny Mac have to greatness had he been owned by Borg, Connors, Vitas, and Lendl?
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#29
Head to head really isn't that relevant because the short while they were both in their primes fed made every clay final but would lose while rafa would not make many of the other surfaces finals.....I think it's funny for people that do not play the sport to argue. Go play on the different surfaces of clay compared to others and see the difference. Nadal age is catching up with him quicker than fed and it showed sunday.
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#30
Errrr Nadal has a winning record against Fed on hard courts as well, my friend. The only surface where Fed has the edge is grass, the fringe surface. It's also ridiculous to say they were only in their primes a short time. I guess you want to hold the time where Roger was in his prime but Nadal was still improving AGAINST Nadal.
First meeting ever, absolutely prime Feddy against a 17/18 Nadal on a hard court, 6-3, 6-3 for Feddy's daddy.
First meeting ever, absolutely prime Feddy against a 17/18 Nadal on a hard court, 6-3, 6-3 for Feddy's daddy.
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#32
Quote Originally Posted by esplanade:
Nor can you be considered the greatest when the multiple slam winners of your era all owned you. He has a losing record against Murray, crushed h2h by Nadal, and Djoko will scream past Fed too in short order. Think about that in any other era, it's laughable.
What claim would Johnny Mac have to greatness had he been owned by Borg, Connors, Vitas, and Lendl?
Nor can you be considered the greatest when the multiple slam winners of your era all owned you. He has a losing record against Murray, crushed h2h by Nadal, and Djoko will scream past Fed too in short order. Think about that in any other era, it's laughable.
What claim would Johnny Mac have to greatness had he been owned by Borg, Connors, Vitas, and Lendl?
Federer has a winning Grand Slam record against both Djokovic and Murray.
Nadal is a nightmare matchup for Federer or anyone else for that matter. Thanks big time to Uncle Toni or whoever for coming up with a game to trouble everyone. Throw in Nadal's endurance of steel and he's a monster, especially on a grinding clay court, he's inhuman.
Nadal is 9-2 vs. Federer in Grand Slams. 5 were at the French Open and 1 was this year at the AO, clearly out of Fed's prime.
To me, Nadal is the ultimate clay court specialist that was unbeatable at the right time to win Wimby and who gave the best of all time a nightmare matchup.
Nadal's most impressive win, IMO, was at the US Open last year. he needs more of them wins to be considered the greatest.
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#34
I think Djokovic has a better chance at catching up to Feds semi or better total than Nadal IMO.
Federer and even Djokovic are the more consistent performers year in and year out in Grand Slams.
Federer has 4 AO titles and has been to at least the semis 11 years in a row and still counting.
He has 9 hard court GS titles and 19 semis or better appearances.
Nadal has 3 hard court GS titles and 9 semis or better appearances.
The hard court resume is a joke.
Federer and even Djokovic are the more consistent performers year in and year out in Grand Slams.
Federer has 4 AO titles and has been to at least the semis 11 years in a row and still counting.
He has 9 hard court GS titles and 19 semis or better appearances.
Nadal has 3 hard court GS titles and 9 semis or better appearances.
The hard court resume is a joke.
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