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    scalabrine
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    Posted: Feb. 21, 2015 - 4:49 PM ET #1451

    Quote Originally Posted by collegegambler:

     

    this is my final comment as this clipper game in which I WON btw has been so greatly debated.  Check out what I put in bold prior to the bet...

    the line opened at clipshow -2.5 and then went to +3

    I did not think Blake Griffin was worthy of a 5.5 pt swing in the line, hence I thought the spread should have been lower which is why I made the bet on the Clippers... It was made because of VALUE of an inflated line because of an overreaction to the VALUE of Blake Griffin.

    Surprised the two biggest geniuses of this forum Scalabrine and Vanzack didn't pick up on that..

    back to business today though, lets go Jayhawks and Bruins!


    Well I was gonna leave "well enough" alone after Vazack pretty much said it all, but this guy is digging a hole and every pile of dirt is coming down on his head. At this point it's right up to his nose and if he keeps talking about the cap of this Clippers game, he won't be able to breathe.

    So CG, it wasn't about the bench you say? Let's just say I concede that (even though it was in your original cap).

    Now you say it was about Blake Griffin not being worth a 5.5 PT swing.

    Let's examine that statement because now you say the cap for the Clips side was due to an overreaction to a Blake Griffin.

    There's a slight problem with that logic (and I'm using 'slight' to be nice if you can't pick up the sarcasm).

    Blake Griffin was declared out indefinitely due to a Staph infection on February 8, 2015.

    https://www.nba.com/clippers/blake-griffin-getting-surgery-elbow-infection

    They lost that night without him 131-108 to the Thunder.

    They played another game the next night after that and beat the Mavs

    They played the Rockets as well before the All Star break without him too.

    The Spurs Clips game was played in February 19, 2015, also without Blake.

    Now comes my questions for you.

    Are you really trying to tell this forum, as a defense for your play and cap of the Clippers (and to call it a 'cap' at this point would be calling an American Idol contestant Frank Sinatra), that:

    The reaction to the line move from -2.5 CLIPS to +3 CLIPS was because bettors were reacting to Blake Griffin being out of a game 11 DAYS AFTER IT WAS ANNOUNCED and 3 previously played games without him? (I'd expect to see a line move 11 MINUTES after an injury announcement, but 11 days takes the cake if that is what you are selling Mr. Baker).

    Do you think Vegas opened up the line at -2.5 Clips thinking Blake would play and the public and/or sharps said ""WOAH! Blake must be in that line if they are giving points to the Spurs but he's actually out! Let's pound the Spurs!" even though he was announced to be out FOR WEEKS, 11 days prior?

    What did Blake have to do with that line and its value the way vegas set it or the way it moved, opening or closing?

    I know that may be hard for some of your oblivious fanboys to comprehend (if they even read the above which is unlikely) but an answer would be nice to hear.......wouldn't it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by collegegambler:

     

    this is my final comment as this clipper game in which I WON btw has been so greatly debated.  Check out what I put in bold prior to the bet...

    the line opened at clipshow -2.5 and then went to +3

    I did not think Blake Griffin was worthy of a 5.5 pt swing in the line, hence I thought the spread should have been lower which is why I made the bet on the Clippers... It was made because of VALUE of an inflated line because of an overreaction to the VALUE of Blake Griffin.

    Surprised the two biggest geniuses of this forum Scalabrine and Vanzack didn't pick up on that..

    back to business today though, lets go Jayhawks and Bruins!


    Well I was gonna leave "well enough" alone after Vazack pretty much said it all, but this guy is digging a hole and every pile of dirt is coming down on his head. At this point it's right up to his nose and if he keeps talking about the cap of this Clippers game, he won't be able to breathe.

    So CG, it wasn't about the bench you say? Let's just say I concede that (even though it was in your original cap).

    Now you say it was about Blake Griffin not being worth a 5.5 PT swing.

    Let's examine that statement because now you say the cap for the Clips side was due to an overreaction to a Blake Griffin.

    There's a slight problem with that logic (and I'm using 'slight' to be nice if you can't pick up the sarcasm).

    Blake Griffin was declared out indefinitely due to a Staph infection on February 8, 2015.

    https://www.nba.com/clippers/blake-griffin-getting-surgery-elbow-infection

    They lost that night without him 131-108 to the Thunder.

    They played another game the next night after that and beat the Mavs

    They played the Rockets as well before the All Star break without him too.

    The Spurs Clips game was played in February 19, 2015, also without Blake.

    Now comes my questions for you.

    Are you really trying to tell this forum, as a defense for your play and cap of the Clippers (and to call it a 'cap' at this point would be calling an American Idol contestant Frank Sinatra), that:

    The reaction to the line move from -2.5 CLIPS to +3 CLIPS was because bettors were reacting to Blake Griffin being out of a game 11 DAYS AFTER IT WAS ANNOUNCED and 3 previously played games without him? (I'd expect to see a line move 11 MINUTES after an injury announcement, but 11 days takes the cake if that is what you are selling Mr. Baker).

    Do you think Vegas opened up the line at -2.5 Clips thinking Blake would play and the public and/or sharps said ""WOAH! Blake must be in that line if they are giving points to the Spurs but he's actually out! Let's pound the Spurs!" even though he was announced to be out FOR WEEKS, 11 days prior?

    What did Blake have to do with that line and its value the way vegas set it or the way it moved, opening or closing?

    I know that may be hard for some of your oblivious fanboys to comprehend (if they even read the above which is unlikely) but an answer would be nice to hear.......wouldn't it?

     
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    Posted: Feb. 21, 2015 - 5:08 PM ET #1452

    Scal how do u explain the 5.5 pt line swing? A 5.5 pt line swing is unheard of in the betting world... Or are you going to tell me that is common?
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    Posted: Feb. 21, 2015 - 5:18 PM ET #1453

    Scal anytime a line changes 5.5 pts it's smart to take the dog. Once again I never heard of a 5.5 pt line swing without an injury... And I am sure u haven't either.
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    Scal anytime a line changes 5.5 pts it's smart to take the dog. Once again I never heard of a 5.5 pt line swing without an injury... And I am sure u haven't either.
     
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    Posted: Feb. 21, 2015 - 5:28 PM ET #1454

    College why do you waste your time with SCAL PERIOD Especially game you won 2 days ago He is the most IDIOTIC cover person on here He writes LONG nonsense all time Took both your plays Took one on my own Rockets -2.5/ Raptors Your raptor winner last night (thank You again) just think home game Raptors on road back to back . Hope we hit your picks today I know you had a lot people suggest things Some good & some bad The only one I think is really crazy , we both agree you need to watch the game That's what is all about. The entertainment. & also studying of players . When you got chance I would like your feedback on half time lines or Money lines . Like I stated half time injuries , foul trouble or team looks like crap You can hit middle or save some money Thanks
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    College why do you waste your time with SCAL PERIOD Especially game you won 2 days ago He is the most IDIOTIC cover person on here He writes LONG nonsense all time Took both your plays Took one on my own Rockets -2.5/ Raptors Your raptor winner last night (thank You again) just think home game Raptors on road back to back . Hope we hit your picks today I know you had a lot people suggest things Some good & some bad The only one I think is really crazy , we both agree you need to watch the game That's what is all about. The entertainment. & also studying of players . When you got chance I would like your feedback on half time lines or Money lines . Like I stated half time injuries , foul trouble or team looks like crap You can hit middle or save some money Thanks
     
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    Posted: Feb. 21, 2015 - 5:50 PM ET #1455

    baron, did you take English classes yet?

    Scal= wtf
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    baron, did you take English classes yet?

    Scal= wtf
     
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    Posted: Feb. 21, 2015 - 5:52 PM ET #1456

    Jayhawks up 10 with 7:41 left

    just need to beat TCU by 2 the last 7:41 lets get it done Kansas!

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    Jayhawks up 10 with 7:41 left

    just need to beat TCU by 2 the last 7:41 lets get it done Kansas!

     
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    Posted: Feb. 21, 2015 - 5:58 PM ET #1457

    CG, ignore the hate my friend. Just keep churning out winners and let it speak for itself :) please don't get cocky though BC that is when you will get bit. Stay humble and keep kicking behind. Speak softly and carry a big stick (which you have been doing). 

    Close it out KU!!!
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    CG, ignore the hate my friend. Just keep churning out winners and let it speak for itself :) please don't get cocky though BC that is when you will get bit. Stay humble and keep kicking behind. Speak softly and carry a big stick (which you have been doing). 

    Close it out KU!!!
     
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    Posted: Feb. 21, 2015 - 6:07 PM ET #1458

    CG - Ignore that obnoxious kunt scal. Dude is an absolute twat

    Keep picking winners bro
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    CG - Ignore that obnoxious kunt scal. Dude is an absolute twat

    Keep picking winners bro
     
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    Posted: Feb. 21, 2015 - 6:09 PM ET #1459

    Quote Originally Posted by rangerz2478:


    I'm not sure if you are referencing me as the jealous type or what. (if you are it's laughable) But regardless, I have come in here multiple times to congratulate you on certain plays. You had two blowout winners last night and I gave you credit for it. When you have a night where you win 2 games by a combined 50 points, it's impressive. In regards to your point about the Clippers game, fair enough. Per your wishes I won't speculate on your long term probability moving forward, best of luck. 

    Me too.  Jeesh CG - grow up.  You asked for opinions - but you should have asked for opinions that only agree with you.

    I don't ever have to post in here again.  Its a shame you and others cant see that there are people who are trying to give you constructive criticism - that is being misinterpreted as "hate".

    Carry on.  And GL.

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    I'm not sure if you are referencing me as the jealous type or what. (if you are it's laughable) But regardless, I have come in here multiple times to congratulate you on certain plays. You had two blowout winners last night and I gave you credit for it. When you have a night where you win 2 games by a combined 50 points, it's impressive. In regards to your point about the Clippers game, fair enough. Per your wishes I won't speculate on your long term probability moving forward, best of luck. 

    Me too.  Jeesh CG - grow up.  You asked for opinions - but you should have asked for opinions that only agree with you.

    I don't ever have to post in here again.  Its a shame you and others cant see that there are people who are trying to give you constructive criticism - that is being misinterpreted as "hate".

    Carry on.  And GL.

     
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    Posted: Feb. 21, 2015 - 6:12 PM ET #1460

    Quote Originally Posted by collegegambler:

    Scal how do u explain the 5.5 pt line swing? A 5.5 pt line swing is unheard of in the betting world... Or are you going to tell me that is common?

    It was a 5.5 point swing across the zero.

    Not saying that invalidates or validates your point.  It is just an important factual consideration.

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    Quote Originally Posted by collegegambler:

    Scal how do u explain the 5.5 pt line swing? A 5.5 pt line swing is unheard of in the betting world... Or are you going to tell me that is common?

    It was a 5.5 point swing across the zero.

    Not saying that invalidates or validates your point.  It is just an important factual consideration.

     
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    Posted: Feb. 21, 2015 - 6:17 PM ET #1461

    oh boy up 11 with 28 seconds and foul TCU

    they prob just let me dribble it out after this... 

     

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    oh boy up 11 with 28 seconds and foul TCU

    they prob just let me dribble it out after this... 

     

     
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    Posted: Feb. 21, 2015 - 6:19 PM ET #1462

    Stupid student manager
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    Stupid student manager
     
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    Posted: Feb. 21, 2015 - 6:25 PM ET #1463

    and Kansas was just going to dribble it out but what looked like what could have been lucky for me they passed the ball to some 130 lb white scrub who never plays and he tried to be a hero and score and dosent even rim on a uncontested layup lmao

    boys that is why it is smart I have been keeping my bets at $550 a game....

    once Kansas went up 16 with maybe 5 min left I thought I had a winner but TCU cut the lead back to 9 quick

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    and Kansas was just going to dribble it out but what looked like what could have been lucky for me they passed the ball to some 130 lb white scrub who never plays and he tried to be a hero and score and dosent even rim on a uncontested layup lmao

    boys that is why it is smart I have been keeping my bets at $550 a game....

    once Kansas went up 16 with maybe 5 min left I thought I had a winner but TCU cut the lead back to 9 quick

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bradyisgreat:

    Stupid student manager

    ironically the fact he got the ball was my only shot at a push lmao..

    any other player would have just dribbled it out.  no class from that kid (which was great for me) but then he blows a bunny layup lol

    glad I stayed away from texas as I had originally liked them but as soon as that number went to -2.5 and -3 here I said no way am I touching that game... saved me a loss..

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bradyisgreat:

    Stupid student manager

    ironically the fact he got the ball was my only shot at a push lmao..

    any other player would have just dribbled it out.  no class from that kid (which was great for me) but then he blows a bunny layup lol

    glad I stayed away from texas as I had originally liked them but as soon as that number went to -2.5 and -3 here I said no way am I touching that game... saved me a loss..

     

     
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    Posted: Feb. 21, 2015 - 6:40 PM ET #1465

    You are kicking behind CG. Please stay humble and keep grinding. It is a marathon, not a sprint buddy. 
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    You are kicking behind CG. Please stay humble and keep grinding. It is a marathon, not a sprint buddy. 
     
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    Posted: Feb. 21, 2015 - 6:47 PM ET #1466

    I never get to high after a win or too low after a loss.. U can't in this business
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    Posted: Feb. 21, 2015 - 6:49 PM ET #1467

    Good job. Continued success, CG!
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    Posted: Feb. 21, 2015 - 7:01 PM ET #1468


    Throw another $220 on the Bruins.  At least come out of the day with a small profit.  Be glad you are not back in NJ.  Shiitty snow day up here with freezing rain.  Everything a mess tonight.
    ~~~~~ZOSO~~~~~
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    Throw another $220 on the Bruins.  At least come out of the day with a small profit.  Be glad you are not back in NJ.  Shiitty snow day up here with freezing rain.  Everything a mess tonight.
     
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    Posted: Feb. 21, 2015 - 7:01 PM ET #1469

    That person should have dunked that garbage!!!
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    College Widh student manager got layup That would been priceless You will go crazy if you have to answer every hater on here They will critique your every play win or lose In my case my English Just my rest plays Rockets-2.5/ Raptors On tv so I took Cal +8.5 /Stanford Jesse Shultz expert pick on covers Uc Riverside -2/ Cal Poly Slo Said 11-2 @ home against losing teams Fighting for 3rd why not Also took your UCLA play A lot people like Auburn +25 on espn next Might pull trigger again all plays small Yours I double Again all these people in your thread has not the guts to show. One play on their own They just su go. The sidelines and wait to see if you lose. Seriously have you seen one play on their own out there None whatsoever However smart ones say they follow you Not one says I'm going against you. Have fun on your date tonight. Do not waste time with negative comments on here Good Luck to all my Covers Brothers
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    College Widh student manager got layup That would been priceless You will go crazy if you have to answer every hater on here They will critique your every play win or lose In my case my English Just my rest plays Rockets-2.5/ Raptors On tv so I took Cal +8.5 /Stanford Jesse Shultz expert pick on covers Uc Riverside -2/ Cal Poly Slo Said 11-2 @ home against losing teams Fighting for 3rd why not Also took your UCLA play A lot people like Auburn +25 on espn next Might pull trigger again all plays small Yours I double Again all these people in your thread has not the guts to show. One play on their own They just su go. The sidelines and wait to see if you lose. Seriously have you seen one play on their own out there None whatsoever However smart ones say they follow you Not one says I'm going against you. Have fun on your date tonight. Do not waste time with negative comments on here Good Luck to all my Covers Brothers
     
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    Posted: Feb. 21, 2015 - 7:18 PM ET #1471

    Glad just turned on Espn Kentucky game stated. Kentucky 18-2 No play for me Yeah
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    Posted: Feb. 21, 2015 - 8:41 PM ET #1472

    baronman is bad luck.
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    Posted: Feb. 21, 2015 - 8:44 PM ET #1473

    Lost another one boys Taking Oregon st-2.5/ Colorado $28-25 Small as always Double up on Colleges Picks Good luck to all
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    I saw baronman last night bartending, he was very nervous and watching the television like crazy, i think he bets a lot, he will go down with you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

    It was a 5.5 point swing across the zero.

    Not saying that invalidates or validates your point.  It is just an important factual consideration.



    Van,

    He doesn't have a point. That's the problem.

    He's saying the line moved 5.5 points to +3 Clips.

    He's saying it was because of Blake Griffin's "value" and the line swung because he was out. That means Vegas didn't adjust their opening line for him being out...for 11 days and people pounced on that and played the Spurs. 

    But Blake Griffin being out of the game is IN the opening line.

    Just as him being out was in the opening lines against the Rockets, Mavs and Thunder the three games before that.

    The Clippers haven't exactly set the world on fire of late, with or without Blake.

    Then he sees a 5.5 point swing, through zero as you correctly pointed out.

    He questions:

    Can lines swing that much? Why did it swing so much then? OF COURSE it can swing that much, especially through zero. Bettors are more than willing to take a highly visible public favorite and the defending champions like the Spurs, fully rested (the #1 issue with that team and its older stars) after a long all-star break and lay 3 instead of getting 2.5 which it opened at, which many here would ML for better odds when it's offered to them.

    And he has now stated that the line value due to Blake being out was the reason he took the game.

    The line movement had absolutely nothing to do with Blake Griffin's value when compared to the opening of +2.5 Spurs.

    I challenge a single capper here to tell me they bet the Clippers because they thought the line swung too much due to Blake being out. Just one. It means the opening line wasn't adjusted to being with.

    Blake had been out for 11 days! You don't think the opening line wasn't adjusted for this?

    You can say you took the Clips because you don't think they can beat a team like the Spurs without Blake, but to say you took them because the swing had 'value' due to him being out is so mind-bogglingly false, I feel like I am in a thread called Capping 101.

    I also worry about being long-winded in explaining yet another point he is wrong about because he is either unwilling or unable to comprehend it, along with his brainless cavalcade of fanboys!

    So first he took the Clips because:

    1) they are deep.

    FALSE

    then he took them because:

    2) the line movement due to Blake being out had value.

    FALSE

    It looks like a coin flip would have been a better option vs. his 'cap'.



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    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

    It was a 5.5 point swing across the zero.

    Not saying that invalidates or validates your point.  It is just an important factual consideration.



    Van,

    He doesn't have a point. That's the problem.

    He's saying the line moved 5.5 points to +3 Clips.

    He's saying it was because of Blake Griffin's "value" and the line swung because he was out. That means Vegas didn't adjust their opening line for him being out...for 11 days and people pounced on that and played the Spurs. 

    But Blake Griffin being out of the game is IN the opening line.

    Just as him being out was in the opening lines against the Rockets, Mavs and Thunder the three games before that.

    The Clippers haven't exactly set the world on fire of late, with or without Blake.

    Then he sees a 5.5 point swing, through zero as you correctly pointed out.

    He questions:

    Can lines swing that much? Why did it swing so much then? OF COURSE it can swing that much, especially through zero. Bettors are more than willing to take a highly visible public favorite and the defending champions like the Spurs, fully rested (the #1 issue with that team and its older stars) after a long all-star break and lay 3 instead of getting 2.5 which it opened at, which many here would ML for better odds when it's offered to them.

    And he has now stated that the line value due to Blake being out was the reason he took the game.

    The line movement had absolutely nothing to do with Blake Griffin's value when compared to the opening of +2.5 Spurs.

    I challenge a single capper here to tell me they bet the Clippers because they thought the line swung too much due to Blake being out. Just one. It means the opening line wasn't adjusted to being with.

    Blake had been out for 11 days! You don't think the opening line wasn't adjusted for this?

    You can say you took the Clips because you don't think they can beat a team like the Spurs without Blake, but to say you took them because the swing had 'value' due to him being out is so mind-bogglingly false, I feel like I am in a thread called Capping 101.

    I also worry about being long-winded in explaining yet another point he is wrong about because he is either unwilling or unable to comprehend it, along with his brainless cavalcade of fanboys!

    So first he took the Clips because:

    1) they are deep.

    FALSE

    then he took them because:

    2) the line movement due to Blake being out had value.

    FALSE

    It looks like a coin flip would have been a better option vs. his 'cap'.



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