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Dear all

I hope you find this useful. This is the result of some research we made after having a little issue with whe handicappers websites precisionpicks.com and sportsinvestorcentral.com. Our findings expose a number of "lies" behind their profiles, their results and also involves other sites, such as documentedhandicappers.com and the "non biased" verifiedcappers.com

All the links worked at the time of publishing this report. The videos have been recorded by an independent specialized third party, from their servers, so that we cannot manipulate.

Are these websites a scam? Well. It's up to you to decide. We are just showing facts: the profiles are fake, the previous result are fake and the independent third party monitoring them is... well, you can see... and reach your own conclusions.

It is a bit long, but, believe me, it is worth reading before buying anything from these people.

Thanks.


 
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The lies behind precisionpicks.com, sportinvestorcentral.com and verifiedcappers.com
 
 
This aims to prove four issues regarding the websites www.precisionpicks.com and Sport Media Incl (www.sportsinvestorcentral.com), involving verifiedcappers.com and documentedhandicappers.com
 
 I.        The profiles of the “handicappers” are fake. The people behind these names seem not to exist. The pictures are taken from catalogues (banks of stock images) or even newspapers. I have incontestable evidence regarding this.

 II.        The previous results they publish in their website are also fake. They claim to have an amazing ratio of success and profit which is made up. The evidence regarding this is also incontestable.

III.        The third parties which “verify” and “certify” the results are not so “independent”. They seem to be part of the organized group, controlled by the same people or organization. They recommend these fake people against other real ones. 

IV.        It is not true that they (always) publish the results ten minutes after the beginning of the match for “transparency”, as they claim. I also have incontestable evidence of this.
 
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1. Fake profiles. 
 
a. First, let me say that I have detected two or three “independent” verification sites and seven/eight “handicappers” websites that might be involved in the “hypothetical” fraud. I will talk mainly only about the two I had my issue with, www.precisionpicks.com and www.sportsinvestorcentral.com one of the “independent” verification sites, called www.verifiedcappers.com. Another website, www.documentedhandicappers.com will be named because it looks so linked to the previous one.
 
By the way. You can go to their websites and find pictures of their “specialists”, their full bios saying the “large” experience they have in the business, and a link to their results. You can see it here:
  
b. Let’s start with the easiest to check: the pictures. The photographies of these experts (if not all, say 99%) are fake. They are taken from catalogues, image banks (stock images) or even newspapers. Here are some examples from both companies, obtained using the recognized system tineye. This is a software easily accessible on the net that, given a picture, finds out the source of the image and where else on the net it can be found.
 
Ray Franklin (Precision Picks “founder” and leader):
 
https://tineye.com/search/586f1f103ae333f098d99539b77b4c9dccbdb09d/


Russell Davis (PP): 

https://tineye.com/search/ee8651516f9dafe524ea6338a71c1ebc16d48558/


Arnold Jones (PP): 

https://tineye.com/search/570f8bfe47d1e9dc2b5d562cf5799349cfda7c9b/

Conor Brookes (PP):

https://tineye.com/search/4cf3db19e11bf1a4096e4b51a222a6d1ee4991bf/ 

Ron Duffy (PP):

https://tineye.com/search/5c4e9614f67768a153bff9cc68b0f63cbe6830ab/


The same happens with the other company:
 
Bobby Husbands (Spors Investor Central):

https://tineye.com/search/d82aa4c70ce0af3e521702203647a58a4135cd3c/

Cameron Owens (SIC):

https://tineye.com/search/8ef66e069460bd9e7f05dc5ba505b2b33823d73e/


Ethan Alexander (SIC):

https://tineye.com/search/fad7efd6b1b37f93e4279d0289336707ca1043f9/


Chris Murphy (SIC):

https://tineye.com/search/19f03c4d82de53105d469ada002b47738f8bd307/

Pete Mac (SIC):

https://tineye.com/search/a45da107313c6e97f179c04be9fc2617bbbd7a8d/

Riley Peterson (SIC)

https://tineye.com/search/6b046b21bc4ff850df04d7de66d44ca58368b7a2/

The funniest, Colin Anderson (PP)

https://tineye.com/search/8790d27b06a49c205a092f5de65f8a1bd1ed896f/

The gentleman in the picture is, actullay, Owen Smith, a member of the  UK parliament. ¡A congressman!:
https://www.google.es/search?q=cameron+owen+uk+parliament&espv=2&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiGoYGBsbjTAhVFORQKHS07COcQ_AUICCgD&biw=1920&bih=950#tbm=isch&q=owen+smith+uk+parliament
 
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c. These are some random examples. You can check them all and you will find results that 99% of the pictures are from models, catalogues, bank images or even… congressmen. If you want more, I can provide more, but I do believe I have made the point. The pictures of the experts are fake.
 

d. In the only reply I got from Precision Picks, they would say that hiding the faces is “common practice” in the business to protect them. This is false. Well. It is true in the eight/nine websites I have detected that might belong to the “Group”, but absolutely false for everyone else. Most tipsters/handicappers outside the group (I mean, the real professional ones) have twitter or blogs, are TV contributors, attend conferences and seminars and are proud of what they do. I can provide you with dozens of names who are real and you can check how they do not hide and you can find how is behind it all, but I don’t mean to get these names involved here.
 

e. However, If we take, for instance, Ray Franklin, the “founder” and leader of Precision Picks… nothing outside the very few websites within the “group”. No references (maybe listed in some directories), but nothing written about him anywhere else.  Not even Twitter account.  It looks like this guy does not exist. Of course there are others Ray Franklin, common name, who have nothing to do with this business. You can try “Ray Franklin handicapper” and the very few findings will link you to pages within the group (the links among this sites will be proven later). I would like to talk to him, but it is not so easy to get in touch with his company.
 

f. I mean: the “expert”, “specialist” professional behind the service seems not to exist. And the picture is fake. If you were so good at what you do, and your business depended on your reputation, why would you hide? And this is the founder/leader. I can find many, many info about the professionals in other platforms, but barely nothing even about the wonderful leader and founder of Precision Picks.
 

g. The same apply for (I would say all) 99% of the remaining tipsters within these companies. This people seem not to exist. I might understand one or two would like to hide their real IDs, but all of them (99%?), including the so experienced, the leader, the “great” Ray Franklin, want to hide their faces, not to have even twitter account, and being nowhere?
 
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2. Fake results
      

a. As I said, I am aware that previous results do not guarantee future results when it comes to investing.  I know this, and I know sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. The problem is when those previous results that convince you to follow someone’s advice (and pay for it) are fake.
 

b. These websites list previous results as well as summaries which highlight the winning ratio. Obviously, they do so in order to increase their sales by saying: “We got 60% success last 7 days”, “58% success last 30 days”. 
 

c. They also claim that they release their predictions 10 minutes after a game start so that public can check in “real time” if they were right or not. This is also false… in enough cases to manipulate the results.
 

d. There are many ways in which I could proof the results shown in their websites are fake. Some of them would take long, but I am willing to do if necessary. I hope the evidence I am about to show right now is enough. They show something as simple as the fact that the percentages shown for the last 24 hours, the last 7 days or the last 30 days are just higher than real. Only if you check the full list of results one by one you can find this.
 

e. Please note that results for one day are always extreme. In one single day you can perfectly get 8 wins of 10 predictions (80%). But of course some days you will get only 2 in 10 (205). Of course, the important things are always the long term result (hardly ever above 60%). I would like to have time to show you the result for the 5,000 – 10,000 predictions of some of these people over the years, but to make it easier to understand, I will need to show now only daily and weekly results. Don’t get impressed by the 80% reduced to 75%. Just check they are just always higher than real.  Of course they don’t expect people to count, just to trust the professional looks of the website.

 
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f. The following are videos recording internet sessions. They have been taped by an independent third party who I have nothing to do with. It is a company specialized in certifying that the content shown in the video is the real content of the websites at the time of taping. I do the surfing, but it is done from their servers, so that I cannot manipulate anything. They were taken same day I filed the complaint in February and the day after, except for one video to which we will refer later on, which has been taken two days ago in order to complete this report.
 

g. These are some examples of the manipulation. Sorry, in the last couple of them there are many results to count. The third link is very easy to check.
 
Video 1. Minute 1.00
Colin O’Connor: The website claims a winning ratio of 69% for the last 7 days. If you open the list, count and calculate you will find the ratio is only 67%. 


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hd4890wA_HE&feature=youtu.be&t=60
 
Video 1. Minute 2.45 
Ray Franklin. The website claims a winning ratio of 85% for the previous day. If you stop the video and count, it is easy to see that it the real score is 83%: 
 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hd4890wA_HE&feature=youtu.be&t=165
 
Video 1. Minute 4.00
Nathan Powers. The website claims a winning ratio of 58%. Please count yourself. This is easy. Five wins in nine predictions is 55.5%. Never 58%.
 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hd4890wA_HE&feature=youtu.be&t=240
 
Video 1. Minute 6.20
Richard Hartline. The website claims a winning ratio of 62%. The real result is, again, 55%. 
 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hd4890wA_HE&feature=youtu.be&t=380
 
 
The same happens for www.sportsinvestorcentral.com
 
Video 3. Minute 0.25
Cameron Owens. The website claims 75% wins for the previous day. If you check, the real result is 67%. That’s easy, 2 out of 3.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LX6fphQ1FNA&feature=youtu.be&t=25 
 
Video 3. Minute 1.20
Skip Breaze.  The website claims 50% wins for the previous day. The real result is 33%. Bug? Well. It claims 57.50% for the previous week (23 wins, 17 loss) and if you check (please do count), you will find the real result is 55%, of course not counting “Push” results, which are void, and not counting them improves their ratio even more.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LX6fphQ1FNA&feature=youtu.be&t=80

 
A bug? Well. It would be hard to believe that it has not been detected previously for websites that have been working for many years. Also, it would be hard to believe that, for what I have seen, 99% of the times the results shown are better than the real. Also, please note that later on we will proof that there is some “links” between those two websites. It would be also hard to believe that two independent websites have exacly the same bug, and again, that they have not seen it in so many years, and that most, most, most times this bug makes their results look better than they really are.

 
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h. They (both companies) claim that predictions are released for everybody ten minutes after the game start, for transparency and real time control, so that people can check that their predictions are real and check in real time if they are accurate.
 
This is false. They keep some predictions private so that at the end of the match they always become winners. In fact, I believe that if they know that nobody has purchased a certain prediction or has specifically checked it on their website before the match ends, they would be able to keep all of them. 
 
The fact is that when I was purchasing, those predictions I bought (200+ including both sites) were normally getting a winning rate of 50% or lower, making me lose a lot of money (I have just explained to you that we need nearly 53% to get evens, even not including the $3,500 paid to these people). Surprisingly, those predictions from the same handicappers I did not buy were then getting 65% - 70% wins when I checked them the following morning. And  every night the same thing. Was I so unlucky every single night to always buy their losing predictions? Every single night?
 
Then I checked for a couple of nights with dozens of results, not buying them but looking for some of them after ten/fifteen minutes to see the prediction… and the same happened in both websites. Those I checked as soon as they got released got 50% or many times worse; those I did not check got 60% - 70% win. Again unlucky?
 
Then I found out how this works, which I will explain to you soon.
 
Before going on to provide evidence of this, let me explain something (sorry Maths again). For instance, to convert  your 50% win ratio in 55% you don’t need to manipulate all the results, just 10% of them, which explains why only “some” predictions are not released in time. For instance, if we are going to make 100 predictions with a probability of 50% each,  we could release 90 of them as promised, which means that, in average (always long term), we are going to get 45 wins and 45 loses out of this 90. If we keep for ourselves 10 predictions which we don’t tell anybody, and at the end of the match (or when a result is clearly bound to happen) we just choose the winner, we add these 10 predictions to our 45 random wins and we get the 55 wins (45 random + 10 manipulate), against the only 45 random loses. I hope this is clear.
 
Now see in the video from Sports Investor Central a match which was already in the second half and the prediction had not been released yet. You can see the minute and score of the match in a well  known results website, and you can see how other matches starting at the same time had indeed been released. Against, not all of them, but just a few, were kept private, but enough to manipulate the results. 
 
Video 2. Minute 1.35
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzMwlgmvLbg&feature=youtu.be&t=95
 
The prediction by Chris Murphy for the match Colgate Red Riders vs Bucknell Bison (starting at 7.00 – EST) has not been released. We then go to a well known scores page and we can see that the ma
 
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i. I have checked that this is not once and I am willing to tape more and more if necessary. Please note I found already a couple of cases the very first night I started to investigate this seriously and then I found soon another one which I decided to tape when filing the dispute. 

 


j. Other people who has also had similar problems with this “sellers” have suggested in forums that those ten minutes before releasing the prediction might be enough to see what way the match is taking, and sometimes if a team takes an important lead, this might make the prediction change before it is released if nobody has purchased it. I have no evidence of this, but… I let you know that other people has theories.

 


k. And this confirms that other people have had in the past similar issues with these people.  As a sample, please see, in this forum, the third post, replying to the questions in the first and the second, specifically about these two sites


                https://www.covers.com/postingforum/post01/showmessage.aspx?spt=79&sub=102010344


You might ask why I did not find this earlier. Easy, you find this when you google for their name together with the words scam or fraud, which I did when I started to suspect. Earlier, when you just google the single name without additional words, you see the first two or results and check them and see that the records are monitored and verified by independent third parties. This is nice… until you find those third parties, the only ones with extended comments on these people, are not so independent, as we will see in the next block.

 
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3. Third parties verifying the results
 

a. So far, we have seen that the profiles are fake, and two ways in which both websites manipulate the results (“wrongly” calculating the ratio and not releasing the predictions “for transparency” as promised). Please note I have many more evidence, much more, but they would take time. I have tried to choose some as easy to understand as possible. If you want, please be aware I downloaded the all-time results from a number of tipsters from both websites –and the third one we will talk about soon-, I placed all those results into a spreadsheet, and found some other interesting facts which would proof that predictions are random or manipulated, but never from specialists. I am willing to explain them to you if the facts above are not enough, but be aware we are talking about Excel spreadsheets containing 200,000+ predictions from 30+ handicappers over 8-10 years, a madness of a job indeed.
 

b. To keep it easy, let’s say that these websites claim that results are monitored, recorded and verified by independent third parties. Let’s explain how I have strong indications to believe that those are not “third parties”, those are not “independent”, but part of the “Group”. With my means I cannot provide evidence of this as incontestable as the previous, but the indications do support my theory indeed. Let me explain.
 

c. I have used a website called domaintools.com which informs anyone interested, about who owns any websites and… there are many coincidences regarding the websites in the “group”, as we will see in a minute


 
 
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d.    First things first. One of these verification sites, as I said previously, is www.verifiedcappers.com. It includes both a directory with dozens of handicappers from many different websites, and also a “leaderboard” with those doing best. Of course people interested in finding advice are likely to follow (and pay to) those who are top in the leaderboard, would not you? The interesting fact is that, for some reason, the 19 TOP handicappers in the leaderboard (See video 4, taped a couple of days ago to confirm what I saw two months ago when I filed the dispute) belong to the very same three websites: Precision Picks, Sports Investor Central –the two we were talking about- and Documented Handicappers.

 
                Video 4: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4n4zDiBx0JQ&feature=youtu.be




e.    As you can see, this website claims to be “non-biased”, to monitor “hundreds” of handicappers, to “identify the best performers in real time”, to offer “real results” and “background checks”…

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