Canelo will whip the shit out of that rican fraud Cintron

baby rican boy hoped out of the ring vs overrated Williams.  What do you think eh will do wit the next Mexican superstar??

Williams over-rated? For years Williams went unknown to the general public and then the most avoided (feared). The reasons are simple. He was not a big draw and promoter Dan Goossen did a terrible job throughout the years making a name for Williams. Also, with his size and stamina he was a concern for almost every opponent. I posted on another thread about his bout with Verno when Paul got a huge cut above his eye that caused major problems with his vision, so he did one thing 95% of fighters can't do... change their game plan during the fight. I unleashed a spectacular body attack on a fighter who was past his prime but regardless still tough as nails.
Williams losing to Quintana in the first fight was a blue print for future Williams opponents. Williams overwhelms with punches thrown so Carlos would counter one-two, then hold. Yes, Williams had an off night, but Quintana had a great game plan. The second fight Williams adjusted and Quintana didn't which led to a 1st round TKO.
His first fight with Martinez was a great fight and a toss-up for those that thought Martinez won. The second fight Martinez closed the distance by a foot or so this way William's punches would be smothered (as he fights close in or at a distance) and his punches would land nearly perfect with the most effect. Williams has the ability to due many things but he crouches and fights leaning in offensively that gives his opponents opportunities instead of using his height and reach advantage (similar to Oscar).
I never felt Williams was over-rated, the media went from no mention of him to him being the most feared! Take Manny, he didn't want to fight Marquez after the second fight because he could make 100 times more with easier fights. Winky was ducked and under-estimated for years until he got recognition beating Mosley twice. I was surprised and disappointed in his total outrage and complaining after the decision (draw) between him and Taylor. It was a close fight and I thought it could have been either way. Winky acted like he dominated Taylor and was robbed. Very poor attitude from a veteran that knows boxing is corrupt but if he wanted to win he should have performed better as it was a toss-up.
Williams was a small favorite against Winky and that fight was a gift. You Winky who is a tactical defensive southpaw fighting a total offensive punching machine. Now, I had no worries regarding a headbutt because they are both southpaw and Winky has a great guard but at the rate Williams would punch I felt Winky would never land a shot. Williams won every round with pure offense not allowing Wright to even throw a combination.
I also wanted to see Pavlik vs Williams but the constant issue with Staph infection I felt that fight would never happen. Low and behold I got a better fight with Martinez being the underdog. I have no idea who made that line, but that was like Christmas!
I yet to see how Canelo fights against top opposition. He has great skill but to say he has great poise at a young age is a little premature because he has not faced opposition where he was in danger. He also has average speed but I will have to watch his few televised recent fights a few times and assess him.

Paul Williams was not over rated, he fought anyone from 147-160 who didn't avoid him (he is not over rated in boxer's minds or more would have fought him).  Why didn't Cotto or Mayweather fight PW, cause not worth the risk. All he had to do was avoid southpaws and he would probably still be undefeated. 

Pavlik vs. Williams would have been a great war while it lasted, I say put him in with JC Chavez, Kirkland or Augulo, you would have a great fight for sure.

Wouldn't mind seeing Canelo vs. Williams either.

 

o8½ -130
u8½ +110


Thoughts on the Over/ Under ?

First glance I like the OVER.  Gomez was thrown in to the wolves while Canelo's previous 3 fights went the distance....all against less superior opposition than Cintron.

Cintron only been stopped by a prime Margarito, and I would expect him to play it safer in this one.  Knowing Canelo will be coming for the kill.

Your thoughts?

which kermit are we talking about? the one that fought angulo or the one that fought williams?

if the one that fought angulo shows up tonight, kermit is a very live dog at +600.  in fact, he should be even money.

if not, i like the under as kermit's fights that dont go the distance are a short night as he checks in early.

no need to take extra unishment as he is not getting paid more to do so.

Over.... Canelo snoozes through too much of every rd. As far as him being a Super Star? You have to be kidding. Canelo & Chavez JR. have to be the most overrated protected fighters, I've seen in a very long time.

Even money     Man wtf are you talking about

I doubt Cintron falls through the ropes again....

Thanks for charming in.

Canelo finished him late or decision...

*chiming

well according to your logic this should be an easy under since Canelo is being protected, Canelo inside the distance

huh

Playing Alvarez by dec +206

Red lad said that Canelo is protected fighter so that means that Cintron was cherry picked for him meaning that Canelo should be able to look good kicking his ass thus and impressive 6th or 7th stop

It's hard to know how motivated Cintron will be, fighting in Mexico. If this were a neutral site, I might even give Cintron a shot at the upset. Canelo should have a harder time getting inside, where he needs to be to do any substantial damage. Good Luck!

I agree with your point about Canelo having a harder time due to reach and height but like you said depends on Cintron's motivation tonight

I am on 8.5 over

I took Canelo inside the distance  BOL Cool Hand Luke

another Rican quitter, just like Kneegel Cotto.

read my post. if the cintron that fought angulo still existed this fight should be even money.

and as i said, if that cintron no longer exists then take the under as when cintron checks out he checks out early.

ww matthew hatton lasted the full twelve. cintron couldnt even make it past five.

he came to collect a paycheck.

I didn't even bet on the fight, but where did I disagree that Cintron was only coming for a paycheck

This fight was a test for Canelo, and he passed.  No one on here said he would lose

not sure if this would qualify as a test because cintron never showed up.

 

it's obvious you  are a Canelo hater, I am not saying that this was super awesome but the kid looked solid for what was put in front of him.