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#51
I had JMM by 1 at the stoppage, The knockout punch was a left to the liver. He schooled the young man. And yes, Mayweather would destroy him.
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Diaz/JMM, Juarez/John Picks
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#52
Quote Originally Posted by FrankieNapp:
How does Duane Ford have Marquez up 2 rounds before the stoppage?
C'mon......at best for Marquez.....That fight was a draw. But up 2 rounds? You have to be kidding me.
Obviously, it is a moot point......But that is nonsense.
It's NOT non sense, if you MUTED the TV and just watched the fight not hearing the crowd oooh and ahhh on every punch, remember Marquez was allowing him to give the illusion he was landing heavier punches than what he actually was. Marquez landed the CLEANER Crisper shots the WHOLE fight. Marquez still fought a bad fight he could of won even more lopsided, but he's chasing a ghost called Pacman who has moved on to bigger and MORE Profitable things. Why would Pacman fight a third war with JMM when he can fight the likes of a washed up De la Hoya for mega paydays and a big paday for beating a "decent" Ricky Hatton.
Give credit to Hatton he tasted 147 and was smart enough and honest enough to say "I don't have the power at 147" and dropped back down to 140.
Marquez needs to drop down a weight class and fight whatever is there, any other fighter at this weight tonight with a punch would of HURT HIM as JMM's chin is not "STRONG" he just had the perfect guy in front of him who couldn't hurt him. I know moving up in weight class means BIGGER paydays, but tonight showed Marquez is not strong at this weight and needs to drop back down otherwise he will be a stepping stone himself. Again he needs to give up the idea of fighting Pacman that's over, and throwing Mayweather's name is a bit odd being Mayweather is in retirement and would destroy Marquez.
Either way was an amazing fight for the fight fans, hope everyone enjoyed it!
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#53
Quote Originally Posted by Popo21:
You are right about Diaz's career being derailed by this though, I'd say hes going to be the lightweight version of Cintron. Everybody knows hes a decent fight that can beat lower opponents but can't step up in real fights.
I think going into the ropes was part of Marquez's plan, even though it looked like Diaz was dominating when they were in that position JMM was still landing the bigger punches. I thought that Diaz was up by 2 rounds before going down (factoring in that it was in Houston).
You are right about Diaz's career being derailed by this though, I'd say hes going to be the lightweight version of Cintron. Everybody knows hes a decent fight that can beat lower opponents but can't step up in real fights.
Cintron is actually worse, he was losing many of his fights and came back to win because of his strong right hand.
Sadly for Diaz he isn't a strong puncher, but he can dish it out but cannot take it. Being a good body puncher and throwing tons of punches is great against inferior opponets.But when a guy actually HITS YOU BACK that test the true "baby bull", in this case the baby bull was just that just a baby who was handled very well until he had to fight legit fighters. Personally I know nate Campbell was a Tune up and Nate destroyed HIM, and I said many times on other posts I don't know why Diaz's CAMP would take this fight of all the fights out there, this was the WORST case scenario for Diaz, he needs so someone like himself, ala Gatti/Mickey(setup) ward, someone who compliments your style not someone who show cases your every weakness!
His camp is just as much as to blame for taking a mismatch like this.
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#54
Yes "nuttyrich" i meant 
(decent) defense for diaz cause he keeps his hands up & close; and he throws a lot of punches.. Obviously Diaz is an offensive fighter, that doesn't mean he can't have decent "d" also he is very accurate when he puts his combinations together. All this being said, congrats on this win and to those who went for jmm. The mission here is to make the right call & to make $$$ and get the best possible insite from people. Not used for a spelling contest!! But much props to you "nuttybuddy" let's continue to make the right choice!!
(decent) defense for diaz cause he keeps his hands up & close; and he throws a lot of punches.. Obviously Diaz is an offensive fighter, that doesn't mean he can't have decent "d" also he is very accurate when he puts his combinations together. All this being said, congrats on this win and to those who went for jmm. The mission here is to make the right call & to make $$$ and get the best possible insite from people. Not used for a spelling contest!! But much props to you "nuttybuddy" let's continue to make the right choice!! 0
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#56
Diaz showed a lot of guts. We should give him some credit for that. The fight was close before the KO so I don't think you would call that a mis-match. As long as Diaz was able to keep the fight on the inside he did very well IMO. Once there was more distance & Marquez was able to have the room to punch, the tide turned very quickly. Marquez learned how to roll off of the ropes after about the 3rd round & keep the fight more in the center of the ring. It was beautiful to observe the subtle change in his strategy. Bottom line is that in the end.... " The better man won". Cream rises to the top even in boxing (most of the time). We can praise Marquez but let's not disrespect Diaz's effort & heart. Now the "Baby Bull" should think about his career as a lawyer. His time as a "world class" fighter are probably over.
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#58
Quote Originally Posted by nuttyrich:
It's NOT non sense, if you MUTED the TV and just watched the fight not hearing the crowd oooh and ahhh on every punch, remember Marquez was allowing him to give the illusion he was landing heavier punches than what he actually was. Marquez landed the CLEANER Crisper shots the WHOLE fight. Marquez still fought a bad fight he could of won even more lopsided, but he's chasing a ghost called Pacman who has moved on to bigger and MORE Profitable things. Why would Pacman fight a third war with JMM when he can fight the likes of a washed up De la Hoya for mega paydays and a big paday for beating a "decent" Ricky Hatton.
Give credit to Hatton he tasted 147 and was smart enough and honest enough to say "I don't have the power at 147" and dropped back down to 140.
Marquez needs to drop down a weight class and fight whatever is there, any other fighter at this weight tonight with a punch would of HURT HIM as JMM's chin is not "STRONG" he just had the perfect guy in front of him who couldn't hurt him. I know moving up in weight class means BIGGER paydays, but tonight showed Marquez is not strong at this weight and needs to drop back down otherwise he will be a stepping stone himself. Again he needs to give up the idea of fighting Pacman that's over, and throwing Mayweather's name is a bit odd being Mayweather is in retirement and would destroy Marquez.
Either way was an amazing fight for the fight fans, hope everyone enjoyed it!
It's NOT non sense, if you MUTED the TV and just watched the fight not hearing the crowd oooh and ahhh on every punch, remember Marquez was allowing him to give the illusion he was landing heavier punches than what he actually was. Marquez landed the CLEANER Crisper shots the WHOLE fight. Marquez still fought a bad fight he could of won even more lopsided, but he's chasing a ghost called Pacman who has moved on to bigger and MORE Profitable things. Why would Pacman fight a third war with JMM when he can fight the likes of a washed up De la Hoya for mega paydays and a big paday for beating a "decent" Ricky Hatton.
Give credit to Hatton he tasted 147 and was smart enough and honest enough to say "I don't have the power at 147" and dropped back down to 140.
Marquez needs to drop down a weight class and fight whatever is there, any other fighter at this weight tonight with a punch would of HURT HIM as JMM's chin is not "STRONG" he just had the perfect guy in front of him who couldn't hurt him. I know moving up in weight class means BIGGER paydays, but tonight showed Marquez is not strong at this weight and needs to drop back down otherwise he will be a stepping stone himself. Again he needs to give up the idea of fighting Pacman that's over, and throwing Mayweather's name is a bit odd being Mayweather is in retirement and would destroy Marquez.
Either way was an amazing fight for the fight fans, hope everyone enjoyed it!
Diaz had Marquez in the corner the entire fight. He was the effective aggressor. I wasn't concerned with the crowds OOOHS and AHHHS. Marquez was an effective counter puncher. The fight was close. Although, I did have Diaz ahead before the final round. To have Marquez ahead 2 rounds was NONSENSE. I stand by it. Regardless of "the crowd."
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#61
Those were 2 good fights...1 good 1 great actually
I thought the 1st one was a draw, no arguments here
I had Diaz up in the 2nd bout maybe 5-3 , it could have been 4-4, but it reminded me sort of like Meldrick Taylor vs Chavez or even Cotto -Margarito, where the one guy was winning more rounds but the other guy was dishing out a lot of punishment.
Marquez is unreal though. The way he turns it on and just gets the KO like he did vs Casamayor and vs Diaz.
great fight
I thought the 1st one was a draw, no arguments here
I had Diaz up in the 2nd bout maybe 5-3 , it could have been 4-4, but it reminded me sort of like Meldrick Taylor vs Chavez or even Cotto -Margarito, where the one guy was winning more rounds but the other guy was dishing out a lot of punishment.
Marquez is unreal though. The way he turns it on and just gets the KO like he did vs Casamayor and vs Diaz.
great fight
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#62
Quote Originally Posted by nc1capper:
danno - dont ever second guess yourself as a gambler - win some , lose some, but NEVER second guess
JMM is the P4P best right now, IMO. I thought he won the first fight with Pacquiao (after that horrible first, I thought he won every round), and his recent resume is more impressive than Manny's. Betting against him was foolish, especially only getting +135. Looking back, Diaz should've been a higher price than that. I'm not second guessing myself, so much as I'm learning from my mistake.
Also, everyone I was watching the fight with knew that Diaz was in trouble early on. In the second round, he caught JMM with a left hook that wobbled him, but after that Marquez dominated the last minute of the round with body shots. Diaz was throwing more, but when Marquez was setting his feet and sitting down on his shots, he was affecting Diaz with every punch. I only noticed two punches from Diaz where JMM looked bothered, the afformentioned hook to the head, and a hard hook to the body somewhere later. On the other hand, JMM was landing shots all night that stopped Diaz in his tracks and obviously had an effect on him. As a Diaz backer, I was worried by the third round.
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#63
understood danno,,and well stated might I add, was very impressed with JMM and can understand your thoughts on learning from ones mistakes, sorry if I appeared to be lecturing, just a crusty old veteran here enduring a bit of a hiccup over on the hardwoods- gonna roll up the sleeves and get back to work, the grind continues
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#64
Quote Originally Posted by frankoo1976:
Yes "nuttyrich" i meant (decent) defense for diaz cause he keeps his hands up & close; and he throws a lot of punches.. Obviously Diaz is an offensive fighter, that doesn't mean he can't have decent "d" also he is very accurate when he puts his combinations together. All this being said, congrats on this win and to those who went for jmm. The mission here is to make the right call & to make $$$ and get the best possible insite from people. Not used for a spelling contest!! But much props to you "nuttybuddy" let's continue to make the right choice!!
(decent) defense for diaz cause he keeps his hands up & close; and he throws a lot of punches.. Obviously Diaz is an offensive fighter, that doesn't mean he can't have decent "d" also he is very accurate when he puts his combinations together. All this being said, congrats on this win and to those who went for jmm. The mission here is to make the right call & to make $$$ and get the best possible insite from people. Not used for a spelling contest!! But much props to you "nuttybuddy" let's continue to make the right choice!! Oh I wasn't making fun of your spelling or grammar.. I found it shocking you truly think Diaz has a defense. Throwing 100 punches a round is not a real defense, it will always get exposed by
technical fighters. Defense wins championships, in every sport. Everyone knew that was Diaz's worst flaw (no defense).
I agree it was a great fight, and for Diaz he's young he really didn't take "true beatings", he got beat to the body not the head. If he can find fighters who fight his style, he can make some money. just not TECHNICAL fighters.
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