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#1
I have always loved his boxing, but his big mouth is annoying.
Randy shut it rather fast
Did anyone see Toney get his mouth shut last night?
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#5
Quote Originally Posted by cobra64:
His boxing is so boring how could you of liked him as a boxer?
he boxed like a old ass granny that could barely move.
in his late years maybe- but do remember he was a great boxer in his prime and still can contend with most heavyweights today. Toney is still a tough boxer
Posted:
#10
Quote Originally Posted by nc1capper:
tapped out after three minutes,,I'm guessing he had enough energy left to pickup his check,,fat sucker looked like a clown last nite
tapped out after three minutes,,I'm guessing he had enough energy left to pickup his check,,fat sucker looked like a clown last nite
Depends on how you look at it. Toney took home an absolutely huge check by mma standards. Could be easily said White/Ufc looked like clowns last night. Actually, everybody that paid for the card were clowns last night. I was there; comped of course, and I left early to hit a bar down the street.
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#13
How can anyone rip on James Toney, the guy played Dana White like a sucker. He didn't even train and got a hefty pay check.
If anything UFC took a HIT, this was probably one of their worst cards ever and top it off with Toney clowning Dana White for all that $$$.
Remember James Toney NEVER had a UFC fight, from the shape of his body doesn't look as if he trained one day.
I say the winner is James TONEY.
If anything UFC took a HIT, this was probably one of their worst cards ever and top it off with Toney clowning Dana White for all that $$$.
Remember James Toney NEVER had a UFC fight, from the shape of his body doesn't look as if he trained one day.
I say the winner is James TONEY.
Posted:
#14
Quote Originally Posted by nuttyrich:
How can anyone rip on James Toney, the guy played Dana White like a sucker. He didn't even train and got a hefty pay check.
If anything UFC took a HIT, this was probably one of their worst cards ever and top it off with Toney clowning Dana White for all that $$$.
Remember James Toney NEVER had a UFC fight, from the shape of his body doesn't look as if he trained one day.
I say the winner is James TONEY.
How can anyone rip on James Toney, the guy played Dana White like a sucker. He didn't even train and got a hefty pay check.
If anything UFC took a HIT, this was probably one of their worst cards ever and top it off with Toney clowning Dana White for all that $$$.
Remember James Toney NEVER had a UFC fight, from the shape of his body doesn't look as if he trained one day.
I say the winner is James TONEY.
So he is going to the boxing hall of fame as someone who never trained one day. What does that say about boxing? He started his career at MW and then ate his way to HW, again what does that say about boxing?? Boxing fans had to expect that Toney would land a punch right? Anything, a jab?? Nope, nothing.
So yeah, he got paid. By our standards and by his standards, it was a nice payday. But the UFC has an estimated value of $2B, that's BILLION. This was chump change for DW to give boxing the middle finger. JT proved just one thing, that a boxer can't compete in mma.
I like boxing, but comparing it to mma, is like comparing checkers to chess.
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#15
Quote Originally Posted by esplanade:
So he is going to the boxing hall of fame as someone who never trained one day. What does that say about boxing? He started his career at MW and then ate his way to HW, again what does that say about boxing?? Boxing fans had to expect that Toney would land a punch right? Anything, a jab?? Nope, nothing.
So yeah, he got paid. By our standards and by his standards, it was a nice payday. But the UFC has an estimated value of $2B, that's BILLION. This was chump change for DW to give boxing the middle finger. JT proved just one thing, that a boxer can't compete in mma.
I like boxing, but comparing it to mma, is like comparing checkers to chess.
So he is going to the boxing hall of fame as someone who never trained one day. What does that say about boxing? He started his career at MW and then ate his way to HW, again what does that say about boxing?? Boxing fans had to expect that Toney would land a punch right? Anything, a jab?? Nope, nothing.
So yeah, he got paid. By our standards and by his standards, it was a nice payday. But the UFC has an estimated value of $2B, that's BILLION. This was chump change for DW to give boxing the middle finger. JT proved just one thing, that a boxer can't compete in mma.
I like boxing, but comparing it to mma, is like comparing checkers to chess.
You have officially opened a can of man eating worms.
UFC was in the hole 40M as of 2004/2005...a box hair from being bankrupt. That would mean that they've made a "profit" of 2,040M in 5 years. UFC is not worth 2B, not at all. The money men that really own it, the Fertitta brothers, are worth 1.3B each. Simple arithmetic indicates a total of 2.6B. They've made their money in other arena's as well.
Barry McGuigan is in the HOF. HOF isn't exactly what it cracks up to mean. It does prove a shot and over-the-hill OLD boxer can't make it in boxing...for sure. But what about a younger viable boxer?
Mike Alvarado was 97-0 as a wrestler, and is like 26-0 in boxing. What happened when White found out Cintron was a nationally recognized wrestler...what happened to the Sherk challenge? Oo thats right..."Who's Kermit Cintron?"
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#16
Economics 101: Do not compare 'profit' to 'worth'.
10% of the UFC sold within the past year to someone in Dubai for $200M, while that does not prove the $2B valuation, it does support it.
I would honestly say that at that level of income a business would sell @ 8-10 times net, hence requiring $200-250 million per year in "profit"
Break that down further by event and it becomes plausible.
Why don't you offer them $20M and see what they say? Sounds fair to me.
10% of the UFC sold within the past year to someone in Dubai for $200M, while that does not prove the $2B valuation, it does support it.
I would honestly say that at that level of income a business would sell @ 8-10 times net, hence requiring $200-250 million per year in "profit"
Break that down further by event and it becomes plausible.
Why don't you offer them $20M and see what they say? Sounds fair to me.
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#17
Also take into consideration that all the ppv buys and etc are only released by the ufc wigs. There is no real data anyone can refer to. Take into consideration that they can say whatever they want to say.
The above inconsistency has a ton to with finding worth. How can anyone come up with a number if they don't have verified numbers to begin with?
I was at the UFC in Boston. The girl I was with is a player in the media world. So we had our own suite and etc. We had like 3 or 4 Ufc wigs that dropped by to see if she was happy and all that (cuz they want to biz with her company). I talked to this fat suit, reddish hair...beard/mustache, last name White. I asked him why it took so long to get to Boston. He said we tried but they wanted too much to rent the venue. Does that sound like a representative of a growing company that is worth 2B?
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#18
Why hurry to Boston?
For what little it's worth, I used to own an MMA org, have an MBA, experience in business valuations, and my former partner is close with DW and the Ferts. He lives in the UAE now and knows the 10% buyer. I'll stick with what I stated.
I'm not going to argue with you over the valuation, the point was that the Toney payout was peanuts to them, and using your line of logic, Toney may well have received just a fraction of the amount claimed.
And it actually does. Do you seriously think $25,000 either way matters to them financially? It becomes a pissing match with machismo involved. I've had multi-million $ real estate deals that were lost over $5000.
For what little it's worth, I used to own an MMA org, have an MBA, experience in business valuations, and my former partner is close with DW and the Ferts. He lives in the UAE now and knows the 10% buyer. I'll stick with what I stated.
I'm not going to argue with you over the valuation, the point was that the Toney payout was peanuts to them, and using your line of logic, Toney may well have received just a fraction of the amount claimed.
And it actually does. Do you seriously think $25,000 either way matters to them financially? It becomes a pissing match with machismo involved. I've had multi-million $ real estate deals that were lost over $5000.
Posted:
#20
Quote Originally Posted by nuttyrich:
How can anyone rip on James Toney, the guy played Dana White like a sucker. He didn't even train and got a hefty pay check.
If anything UFC took a HIT, this was probably one of their worst cards ever and top it off with Toney clowning Dana White for all that $$$.
Remember James Toney NEVER had a UFC fight, from the shape of his body doesn't look as if he trained one day.
I say the winner is James TONEY.
Agree!
How can anyone rip on James Toney, the guy played Dana White like a sucker. He didn't even train and got a hefty pay check.
If anything UFC took a HIT, this was probably one of their worst cards ever and top it off with Toney clowning Dana White for all that $$$.
Remember James Toney NEVER had a UFC fight, from the shape of his body doesn't look as if he trained one day.
I say the winner is James TONEY.
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#21
Quote Originally Posted by esplanade:
So he is going to the boxing hall of fame as someone who never trained one day. What does that say about boxing? He started his career at MW and then ate his way to HW, again what does that say about boxing?? Boxing fans had to expect that Toney would land a punch right? Anything, a jab?? Nope, nothing.
So he is going to the boxing hall of fame as someone who never trained one day. What does that say about boxing? He started his career at MW and then ate his way to HW, again what does that say about boxing?? Boxing fans had to expect that Toney would land a punch right? Anything, a jab?? Nope, nothing.
Dude get the hell out of this forum as it's easy to see that you're a dumbass who knows nothing about boxing and/or how it relates to MMA and streetfighting.
Yea Fat Toney "the boxer" looked like crap but in the main event Frankie Edgar "the wrestler" put on a beautiful display of "boxing footwork". There's only certain elements of boxing that translate well into MMA. Mainly footwork and long-range punches. Toney was known for fighting in close and throwing short counters. That "shoulder roll style" doesn't translate well against somebody who wants to tackle you.
Plus Toney was old, fat, and slightly brain damaged so his reflexes weren't top notch. Dana White knew all this and that's why Toney got paid so much. It's the equivalent of an up-and-coming boxing propect taking on an old faded legend fighting outside of his best weight class. "THE NAME" looks good on the prospect's record as UFC looks good when a former GREAT boxer easily loses in the UFC.
Why was kermit Cintron not allowed in the UFC? Dana White knew there was a chance of him making UFC look bad and his "name" wasn't recognizable to the mainstream fan. During the promotion of the Toney/Couture fight White acted as if it was a 50/50 chance saying "Toney has a very real chance" and other promoter "bullshit", but we all know his goal was to make boxing look bad and the UFC look good. Period.
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#25
Quote Originally Posted by esplanade:
So he is going to the boxing hall of fame as someone who never trained one day. What does that say about boxing? He started his career at MW and then ate his way to HW, again what does that say about boxing?? Boxing fans had to expect that Toney would land a punch right? Anything, a jab?? Nope, nothing.
So yeah, he got paid. By our standards and by his standards, it was a nice payday. But the UFC has an estimated value of $2B, that's BILLION. This was chump change for DW to give boxing the middle finger. JT proved just one thing, that a boxer can't compete in mma.
I like boxing, but comparing it to mma, is like comparing checkers to chess.
So he is going to the boxing hall of fame as someone who never trained one day. What does that say about boxing? He started his career at MW and then ate his way to HW, again what does that say about boxing?? Boxing fans had to expect that Toney would land a punch right? Anything, a jab?? Nope, nothing.
So yeah, he got paid. By our standards and by his standards, it was a nice payday. But the UFC has an estimated value of $2B, that's BILLION. This was chump change for DW to give boxing the middle finger. JT proved just one thing, that a boxer can't compete in mma.
I like boxing, but comparing it to mma, is like comparing checkers to chess.
I never said he didn't train for BOXING.
His boxing career is over. He had a wonderful career in boxing.
He made a fool of Dana White by getting a 700K paycheck without training for UFC and never having a fight in the UFC.
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