when will this fight happen? the more and more i think about it the more gayweather is scared to fight. if he never fights him i hope he goes down in history as the fighter who was scared to fight one of the best. the only reason way he does not want to fight because he is scared to BLEMISH his record. what a box you have to beat the best in the business to earn your metals. you cannot avoid it your whole career. i know if this fight ever happens it will have ppv ratings up the yingyang.
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when will this fight happen? the more and more i think about it the more gayweather is scared to fight. if he never fights him i hope he goes down in history as the fighter who was scared to fight one of the best. the only reason way he does not want to fight because he is scared to BLEMISH his record. what a box you have to beat the best in the business to earn your metals. you cannot avoid it your whole career. i know if this fight ever happens it will have ppv ratings up the yingyang.
Fight won't happen unless: Floyd has money problems against (IRS), fighter purse get's equaled, Floyd see's a decline in Pacquiao that he can expose or if Floyd were to lose an upset to his next opponent (rare because he's the most cautious on selection) and his record has been blemished. Personally, I don't see it happening. Maybe in 3 years when they have both been retired and can still get the same around revenue as this would more likely be the situation. Mayweather is a very patient man, but even the most patient have those thoughts lingering for years that no matter what his record, he may change his mind after another retirement. Not likely but this is when these situations occur. For Floyd, any questions he had regarding Manny's speed and power in several years will most likely do down (and Floyd's), and it will come down to more of the better boxer than the super athletes as boxers.
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Fight won't happen unless: Floyd has money problems against (IRS), fighter purse get's equaled, Floyd see's a decline in Pacquiao that he can expose or if Floyd were to lose an upset to his next opponent (rare because he's the most cautious on selection) and his record has been blemished. Personally, I don't see it happening. Maybe in 3 years when they have both been retired and can still get the same around revenue as this would more likely be the situation. Mayweather is a very patient man, but even the most patient have those thoughts lingering for years that no matter what his record, he may change his mind after another retirement. Not likely but this is when these situations occur. For Floyd, any questions he had regarding Manny's speed and power in several years will most likely do down (and Floyd's), and it will come down to more of the better boxer than the super athletes as boxers.
bimmer01: I wasn't knocking your post, I just didn't know if you knew the previous payouts. Ortiz 2mil (+ Revenues PPV) & Floyd $25mil (+ Revenues PPV). If they fought, it would destroy the PPV record of Oscar vs Floyd and the payouts would be enormous. I did prop bets from 2009 (that had Mayweather -130) if they fought by December 31, 2010. I unfortunately bet they wouldn't fight and won, the problem is you have to have money tied up for 16 months and hope the sportsbooks you use don't close or the new poker legislation started hammering sportsbooks again. These are very important things to consider yet alone the possibility of losing the wager. I use tell people, it doesn't matter how good your lines are, or your odds, if you stand a substantial possibility you won't collect a win, then it's useless. My friend bet CyberSports (before they closed) and did a future in college on LSU for National Champs in 2003 (possible 2007, not likely), and they did but USC won the AP poll (which was the primary before BCS). Now the site never stipulated which governing body would be the ultimate final. In 1998 the BCS was considered the real champs and LSU won that. He was getting around 35-1 and placed a small wager of $100. He had to wait almost 5 months then the site claimed the team had to win all major governing bodies and USC got the AP. I knew a friend that ran the mother company and explained the bad situation. To my suprise, he had enough influence and my friend got paid in full. Back to my rules I sent in a booklet to some friends on handicapping... similar to boxing as PROTECT YOURSELF AT ALL TIMES, but make sure you are going to get paid barring some rare occurence (98% of the time). Long term props are most dangerous cause anything can go wrong.
GL:Maybe if they give Floyd $60 million + Revenues he might consider it in at least a year or so when Manny has to come out of retirement so he maybe rusty! That's Floyd strategy for ya!
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bimmer01: I wasn't knocking your post, I just didn't know if you knew the previous payouts. Ortiz 2mil (+ Revenues PPV) & Floyd $25mil (+ Revenues PPV). If they fought, it would destroy the PPV record of Oscar vs Floyd and the payouts would be enormous. I did prop bets from 2009 (that had Mayweather -130) if they fought by December 31, 2010. I unfortunately bet they wouldn't fight and won, the problem is you have to have money tied up for 16 months and hope the sportsbooks you use don't close or the new poker legislation started hammering sportsbooks again. These are very important things to consider yet alone the possibility of losing the wager. I use tell people, it doesn't matter how good your lines are, or your odds, if you stand a substantial possibility you won't collect a win, then it's useless. My friend bet CyberSports (before they closed) and did a future in college on LSU for National Champs in 2003 (possible 2007, not likely), and they did but USC won the AP poll (which was the primary before BCS). Now the site never stipulated which governing body would be the ultimate final. In 1998 the BCS was considered the real champs and LSU won that. He was getting around 35-1 and placed a small wager of $100. He had to wait almost 5 months then the site claimed the team had to win all major governing bodies and USC got the AP. I knew a friend that ran the mother company and explained the bad situation. To my suprise, he had enough influence and my friend got paid in full. Back to my rules I sent in a booklet to some friends on handicapping... similar to boxing as PROTECT YOURSELF AT ALL TIMES, but make sure you are going to get paid barring some rare occurence (98% of the time). Long term props are most dangerous cause anything can go wrong.
GL:Maybe if they give Floyd $60 million + Revenues he might consider it in at least a year or so when Manny has to come out of retirement so he maybe rusty! That's Floyd strategy for ya!
jlt9889: Didn't mean to ignore you. The fight won't happen. You are right about Floyd. The sad part is he even ducked nearly a dozen opponents that he could have defeated 75% easily, and the other 25% may have given him trouble. It is disgusting to see such a talent go to waste. I understand being safe, protecting yourself, but he hasn't had a real challenege in nearly a decade. Now with his experience, and he is still sharp because he never got hurt in any fights or had any battles, so he is in prime shape and super talented. I believe his TV act of greatness is a show of insecurity not confidence, the main reason is he didn't take an even slightly risky fight. All that BS about Ortiz being young, strong and hungry... he quits, that's not hungry. HBO 24/7 and Ortiz +500 got all these people believe he had a good chance and it was a good bet, the media really sways people's mind and todays advertising hypnotizing people from reality! lol
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jlt9889: Didn't mean to ignore you. The fight won't happen. You are right about Floyd. The sad part is he even ducked nearly a dozen opponents that he could have defeated 75% easily, and the other 25% may have given him trouble. It is disgusting to see such a talent go to waste. I understand being safe, protecting yourself, but he hasn't had a real challenege in nearly a decade. Now with his experience, and he is still sharp because he never got hurt in any fights or had any battles, so he is in prime shape and super talented. I believe his TV act of greatness is a show of insecurity not confidence, the main reason is he didn't take an even slightly risky fight. All that BS about Ortiz being young, strong and hungry... he quits, that's not hungry. HBO 24/7 and Ortiz +500 got all these people believe he had a good chance and it was a good bet, the media really sways people's mind and todays advertising hypnotizing people from reality! lol
GENTLEMEN! WHY DOES FLOYD FIGHT??? BECAUSE OF $$$!!!! DO YOU REALLY THINK HE WOULD PASS UP $50 MILL PLUS PPV $$$ NOT TO SHOW UP?MAY,2012 LAS VEGAS NV MAYWEATHE VS. PACQUIAO! YOU HEARD IT HERE 1ST!!!!
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GENTLEMEN! WHY DOES FLOYD FIGHT??? BECAUSE OF $$$!!!! DO YOU REALLY THINK HE WOULD PASS UP $50 MILL PLUS PPV $$$ NOT TO SHOW UP?MAY,2012 LAS VEGAS NV MAYWEATHE VS. PACQUIAO! YOU HEARD IT HERE 1ST!!!!
JonoNBA2011: Pacquiao's team agreed to the terms after several talks, but Mayweather's team said that Manny and his team didn't honor the gag order. If they never had the last meeting like Mayweather's team states, how did Pacquiao's team break a gag order on a meeting that didn't exist.
I'm sick of the drug thing. Try getting Floyd to fight in other states besides Nevada. The only one using is Mayweather and he uses Xylocaine for his fists. For those not familiar, it is a numbing agent, and illegal in other states but legal in Nevada!
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JonoNBA2011: Pacquiao's team agreed to the terms after several talks, but Mayweather's team said that Manny and his team didn't honor the gag order. If they never had the last meeting like Mayweather's team states, how did Pacquiao's team break a gag order on a meeting that didn't exist.
I'm sick of the drug thing. Try getting Floyd to fight in other states besides Nevada. The only one using is Mayweather and he uses Xylocaine for his fists. For those not familiar, it is a numbing agent, and illegal in other states but legal in Nevada!
floyd is so far superior to pacquiao, ZOUK, are you fucking crazy, your so critical of floyds opponents, take that same criticism and point at at manny career, you will find that most of his opponents were past their best when he fought them, the reason for this is because mayweather is put on a higher throne than anyone else, so every thing is over analyzed, you can do this to every fighter in history, you can question, jones, chavez, monzon, opponents, you can question the time in which ray leonard fought all of his big fights, everything was always on his terms and at his time, you can questions ali's career, and say the doug jones should of got the decision, or that norton really won 2 out of 3, that liston was forced to loose by the mafia in both fights, how about the fact that most of joe loius's title defences were against bums, how about the fact that most of rocky marciano's defences were against opponents well past their best, moore, charles, walcott, you can question archie moore's ko record as more than half of them were against local toughmen who never amounted to shit, you can do this with almost every fighter ever, mayweather is superior to pacquiao, just face it,
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floyd is so far superior to pacquiao, ZOUK, are you fucking crazy, your so critical of floyds opponents, take that same criticism and point at at manny career, you will find that most of his opponents were past their best when he fought them, the reason for this is because mayweather is put on a higher throne than anyone else, so every thing is over analyzed, you can do this to every fighter in history, you can question, jones, chavez, monzon, opponents, you can question the time in which ray leonard fought all of his big fights, everything was always on his terms and at his time, you can questions ali's career, and say the doug jones should of got the decision, or that norton really won 2 out of 3, that liston was forced to loose by the mafia in both fights, how about the fact that most of joe loius's title defences were against bums, how about the fact that most of rocky marciano's defences were against opponents well past their best, moore, charles, walcott, you can question archie moore's ko record as more than half of them were against local toughmen who never amounted to shit, you can do this with almost every fighter ever, mayweather is superior to pacquiao, just face it,
I never stated I believed Manny would win, because I don't. It doesn't change the fact Mayweather fought softer opponents. Also, when they did fight the same opponents, Mayweather fought 3 of the just prior to Manny. Floyd picked apart Hatton, Manny walked through him. Mayweather had difficulty (but I felt he won) with Oscar, Manny destroyed him and leaving him no thoughts of making a comeback. Floyd adjusted against Mosley and then dominated rounds 3 to 12, Manny dominated every part of every round. Now, Hall of Fame fighters you will have Barrera (Manny beat), Morales (Manny beat 2 out of 3) and JMM (those were dead even fights). Although people can say what they want he fought Cotto, Margarito and Clottey. Mayweather made no attempt to fight and of these fighters, even though he would defeat two of them easily. Margarito he would struggle because of the size and adjust. Earlier career when Manny was one handed with bad footwork, Morales made him pay. Mayweather was still green and regardless the scorecards he got straight beat by Castillo. Where have you ever read that I posted Manny would beat Floyd? Find one sentence anywhere on Covers. How many fighters do you believe Manny side-stepped personally? I know he preferred not to have a 3rd match with JMM and went up in weight looking for named opponents. Mayweather in 2006-2008 could have fought several fighters that had yet to compete against each other (except Williams-Margarito). For starters he could have fought an undefeated Cotto, the very side-stepped Paul Williams, or a red-hot Margarito before the glove scandal. That's to name a few. I feel Mayweather is one of the most talented fighters ever to step in the ring, but there is no doubt that his opponent selection shows you his concerns. Many fighters have problems getting fights or fight during times other opponents aren't in the same class. Mainstream Media... I said Ortiz fight was a joke, and 24/7 was a joke, and I said simply Ortiz couldn't win because he was 2nd in every category to Mayweather. Then I get a reply after the fight I didn't give an analysis... not much to consider. Young kid with athletic skills vs an all-time world class boxer with athletic skills! The difference between those names and Mayweather is they had little choice in the matter of competition, and they had to take whatever they could get. Now fighters pick and choose and say "It's up to my management." BULL$HIT... Mayweather calls his own shots.
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I never stated I believed Manny would win, because I don't. It doesn't change the fact Mayweather fought softer opponents. Also, when they did fight the same opponents, Mayweather fought 3 of the just prior to Manny. Floyd picked apart Hatton, Manny walked through him. Mayweather had difficulty (but I felt he won) with Oscar, Manny destroyed him and leaving him no thoughts of making a comeback. Floyd adjusted against Mosley and then dominated rounds 3 to 12, Manny dominated every part of every round. Now, Hall of Fame fighters you will have Barrera (Manny beat), Morales (Manny beat 2 out of 3) and JMM (those were dead even fights). Although people can say what they want he fought Cotto, Margarito and Clottey. Mayweather made no attempt to fight and of these fighters, even though he would defeat two of them easily. Margarito he would struggle because of the size and adjust. Earlier career when Manny was one handed with bad footwork, Morales made him pay. Mayweather was still green and regardless the scorecards he got straight beat by Castillo. Where have you ever read that I posted Manny would beat Floyd? Find one sentence anywhere on Covers. How many fighters do you believe Manny side-stepped personally? I know he preferred not to have a 3rd match with JMM and went up in weight looking for named opponents. Mayweather in 2006-2008 could have fought several fighters that had yet to compete against each other (except Williams-Margarito). For starters he could have fought an undefeated Cotto, the very side-stepped Paul Williams, or a red-hot Margarito before the glove scandal. That's to name a few. I feel Mayweather is one of the most talented fighters ever to step in the ring, but there is no doubt that his opponent selection shows you his concerns. Many fighters have problems getting fights or fight during times other opponents aren't in the same class. Mainstream Media... I said Ortiz fight was a joke, and 24/7 was a joke, and I said simply Ortiz couldn't win because he was 2nd in every category to Mayweather. Then I get a reply after the fight I didn't give an analysis... not much to consider. Young kid with athletic skills vs an all-time world class boxer with athletic skills! The difference between those names and Mayweather is they had little choice in the matter of competition, and they had to take whatever they could get. Now fighters pick and choose and say "It's up to my management." BULL$HIT... Mayweather calls his own shots.
I think many memebers are misunderstanding my point as well as others. Let me flip the script and use Oscar as an example. When you are a top 1% of your profession then you know when you are at risk and how much. Oscar has had at least a half dozen fights in which he knew he could easily lose, and he had other choices for fighters. This scenario is the same for Cotto, Margarito, even Manny. Floyd has fought fighters in this past deacde that were so hand picked it took HBO 24/7 to start selling these fights and create hype. The Ortiz was a joke, and Ortiz being young and inexperienced knew he stood little chance if any. If Mayweather had fought Paul William 3 or 4 years ago, he would have definitely have had some doubts. I know Mayweather is great, and I believe if he fought these fighters he would win... but he didn't. It comes to one question, aside from money and longevity and not getting severe brain trauma... Does Floyd (as skilled as he is) really believe he could be so dominant against any fighter? The answer is no... he and Manny call the shots as boxers, not once did he seem to be in peril pre-fight. I was suprised at Oscar as he did create some difiiculty for Floyd, but that is the maximum extent to which Floyd will risk. You think any pound-for-pound great fighter watching him today will even call him a true champion (I didn't say one of the most talented ever)... I said champion, and being one takes courage which means even in the face of fear and loss you give it your best. You can be a cash machine and handpick fights (I got no problems with that), but to say he hasn't avoided fights is so unrealistic. He wants to conserve his legacy being undefeated (even though we all know Castillo beat him), and that frustrates me because I know if you put Floyd against other fighters who he hasn't fought for reasons, I believe you would see an even greater Floyd!!!
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I think many memebers are misunderstanding my point as well as others. Let me flip the script and use Oscar as an example. When you are a top 1% of your profession then you know when you are at risk and how much. Oscar has had at least a half dozen fights in which he knew he could easily lose, and he had other choices for fighters. This scenario is the same for Cotto, Margarito, even Manny. Floyd has fought fighters in this past deacde that were so hand picked it took HBO 24/7 to start selling these fights and create hype. The Ortiz was a joke, and Ortiz being young and inexperienced knew he stood little chance if any. If Mayweather had fought Paul William 3 or 4 years ago, he would have definitely have had some doubts. I know Mayweather is great, and I believe if he fought these fighters he would win... but he didn't. It comes to one question, aside from money and longevity and not getting severe brain trauma... Does Floyd (as skilled as he is) really believe he could be so dominant against any fighter? The answer is no... he and Manny call the shots as boxers, not once did he seem to be in peril pre-fight. I was suprised at Oscar as he did create some difiiculty for Floyd, but that is the maximum extent to which Floyd will risk. You think any pound-for-pound great fighter watching him today will even call him a true champion (I didn't say one of the most talented ever)... I said champion, and being one takes courage which means even in the face of fear and loss you give it your best. You can be a cash machine and handpick fights (I got no problems with that), but to say he hasn't avoided fights is so unrealistic. He wants to conserve his legacy being undefeated (even though we all know Castillo beat him), and that frustrates me because I know if you put Floyd against other fighters who he hasn't fought for reasons, I believe you would see an even greater Floyd!!!
ZOUK,ZOUK,ZOUK, we simply do not agree on this one, and I am tired to death talking about it, we could go back and forth all day about it, but I simply have no desire too. I have probly wrote 20 post regarding this topic, my opinion will not change and I am sure neither will yours. I beleive this one wil happend and after floyd wins people will simlpy say that he beat as smaller man and the go on to say that he is ducking amir khan or timothy bradley, it will never end.
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ZOUK,ZOUK,ZOUK, we simply do not agree on this one, and I am tired to death talking about it, we could go back and forth all day about it, but I simply have no desire too. I have probly wrote 20 post regarding this topic, my opinion will not change and I am sure neither will yours. I beleive this one wil happend and after floyd wins people will simlpy say that he beat as smaller man and the go on to say that he is ducking amir khan or timothy bradley, it will never end.
Timothy Bradley...LOL, now that's a joke. Besides a relentless work ethic, he has no chance, now or in 6 years! Amir is a different story, as he has ability and seems to improve and work on weak areas. I feel if he fought Manny and won, beating a smaller man is not the case. The only problem I would have is this... you know as fighters age the one thing they all lose is speed and reflex. Floyd is the better boxer, now if Floyd thought Manny was better athletically (strength, speed, power, etc), then waiting until they are nearly even in a few categories, and in this case the better boxer wins (via FLOYD)! It's like a chess game, if aren't as on the same level as another player, you swap pieces and then try to out-think your opponent with just a few options. If you leave so many options for mistakes, you will lose. Poker is a game similar but with incomplete information and luck. People think Wild Card game that are crazy with all kinds of rules take away from skilled players... THAT IS 100% FALSE. Wild Card games with more options for players to play a hand, the better player will make better choices and the bad player will chose bad plays more often. The more options you give a bad player, the higher chance you win (and reduce luck). If we played 3 hands of poker, you could end up winning after the 3 hands. If we played 3,000 hands, you would lose 99.995% of the time. I'm saying Floyd will physically try to even the stakes, and as you know when fighters are close in ability, the better fighter wins. Also, Mayweather not only is better, but he is maybe the greatest fighter at anticipating opponents, which is the key to winning sports as long as you have the physical ability to defend what you know will happen.
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Timothy Bradley...LOL, now that's a joke. Besides a relentless work ethic, he has no chance, now or in 6 years! Amir is a different story, as he has ability and seems to improve and work on weak areas. I feel if he fought Manny and won, beating a smaller man is not the case. The only problem I would have is this... you know as fighters age the one thing they all lose is speed and reflex. Floyd is the better boxer, now if Floyd thought Manny was better athletically (strength, speed, power, etc), then waiting until they are nearly even in a few categories, and in this case the better boxer wins (via FLOYD)! It's like a chess game, if aren't as on the same level as another player, you swap pieces and then try to out-think your opponent with just a few options. If you leave so many options for mistakes, you will lose. Poker is a game similar but with incomplete information and luck. People think Wild Card game that are crazy with all kinds of rules take away from skilled players... THAT IS 100% FALSE. Wild Card games with more options for players to play a hand, the better player will make better choices and the bad player will chose bad plays more often. The more options you give a bad player, the higher chance you win (and reduce luck). If we played 3 hands of poker, you could end up winning after the 3 hands. If we played 3,000 hands, you would lose 99.995% of the time. I'm saying Floyd will physically try to even the stakes, and as you know when fighters are close in ability, the better fighter wins. Also, Mayweather not only is better, but he is maybe the greatest fighter at anticipating opponents, which is the key to winning sports as long as you have the physical ability to defend what you know will happen.
my point was not about the fighters that people will say he is ducking, it's that they have been saying he is ducking guys for years it will not stop, you knock bradley though, if bradley and khan ever fought, I would be all over bradley, timothy is very underrated, (right now he is obviously positioning himself for a pacquiao fight) that is why the khan fight did not happen, I am confident the fight will happen though, and would not be suprised to see it happen oversea's, bradley is looking for money and it's a much bigger event over there, In your opening comment you stated bradley is joke, in terms of beating floyd, I agree, I am not saying he would beat floyd I am simply saying what the media will say, he was ducking tszyu, hatton, de la hoya, mosley, stevie johnston, my point is the the critics will never stop saying that he is ducking and dodging, NEVER
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my point was not about the fighters that people will say he is ducking, it's that they have been saying he is ducking guys for years it will not stop, you knock bradley though, if bradley and khan ever fought, I would be all over bradley, timothy is very underrated, (right now he is obviously positioning himself for a pacquiao fight) that is why the khan fight did not happen, I am confident the fight will happen though, and would not be suprised to see it happen oversea's, bradley is looking for money and it's a much bigger event over there, In your opening comment you stated bradley is joke, in terms of beating floyd, I agree, I am not saying he would beat floyd I am simply saying what the media will say, he was ducking tszyu, hatton, de la hoya, mosley, stevie johnston, my point is the the critics will never stop saying that he is ducking and dodging, NEVER
the one fighter that I wish floyd would of fought and didn't was casamayor, right after the corrales fight, their was talk of it happening, but nagotiations did not work out, casamayor was such a good boxer and was so strong with so much experience, had a solid chin, it would of been a very good one.
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the one fighter that I wish floyd would of fought and didn't was casamayor, right after the corrales fight, their was talk of it happening, but nagotiations did not work out, casamayor was such a good boxer and was so strong with so much experience, had a solid chin, it would of been a very good one.
Manny would strategically demolish Mayweather's defense. While he maybe the stronger and more superior fighter, he would need to knock Manny out to keep the Filipino pride from attacking. This is boxing. You attack to win!
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Manny would strategically demolish Mayweather's defense. While he maybe the stronger and more superior fighter, he would need to knock Manny out to keep the Filipino pride from attacking. This is boxing. You attack to win!
this is boxing you attack to win? ever heard of willie pep, pernell whitaker, wilfred benitez, tommy loughran, benny leonard, just to name a few, boxing is the sweet science, hit and not get hit.
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this is boxing you attack to win? ever heard of willie pep, pernell whitaker, wilfred benitez, tommy loughran, benny leonard, just to name a few, boxing is the sweet science, hit and not get hit.
WATING94, I see that your from the philippines, I am curious to know what your take on nonito donaire is, also how popular is he in your country, is he a household name, I hear conflicting stories about it.
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WATING94, I see that your from the philippines, I am curious to know what your take on nonito donaire is, also how popular is he in your country, is he a household name, I hear conflicting stories about it.
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