Martinez vs Chavez

has anyone seen a line for the fight... im thinking Chavez is a very live dog here

Chavez is +175 at 5dimes.  I will be heavily invested in JCC that night.

that line is a lot lower than i expected...i thought Martinez would be closer to -450...bookies begging you to take Martinez...that makes me really like Chavez...I'm gonig to pound it when in Vegas for Week 1 CFB

Chavez will win IMO..

I still don't know what to make of this fight just yet. The line is going to hold where it is, so I'm in no big hurry. iCook, one thing I wouldn't count on is Martinez fading. He might be the best conditioned fighter in the game right now. CHAVEZ is the one that could fade since he has to cut so much, but he looked outstanding against Lee physically.

Martinez will beat chavez.

WOW!!!! THE FIRST TIME JERSEY WROTE SOMETHING SOMEWHAT ANALYTICAL, AND ALMOST CORRECT.

Chavez will take a big shot every few attempts he attacks as Martinez is more a striker than a combination skilled fighter. His fast hands would be great for a skilled technician, but he is average fighter with superior speed... his feet are quick as well which was one of Roy Jones best assets as he could jump in to action and out so fast with his ultra-quick hands as well!

Waiting to find out the size of the ring before wagering on this one.  I think Martinez will bank 5 of the first 6 rds and JCC will come flying late, and flying hard as all those diuretics and EPO's he injests will start to fuel his rush against the older man.  In a large ring I think Sergio can do another dancing to win a decision.  In a small ring, Chavez will be able to cut off the ring better and do his body work.

i read a lot about people concerned about the ring size but i really  think that there is a chance that martinez doesnt cares about this. i see sergio, especially in the later part of his career, as the typical latino fighter with heart, bravado and ego. i believe that there is a good chance that the last thing martinez is thinking about is dancing the last four or five rounds in route to a comfortable decision; especially going for a decision in light of this being an top rank promotion and julio being the golden boy for wbc president jose suliaman. i dont think a lot about martinez compared to past mw champions( imo he is no better than william joppy) but in many fights he comes with a ktfo or get ktfo trying attitude.

and i think he wants to ktfo julio ceasar chavez jr.

Qncyk1: Although he fights tactical, I agree with Qncky1 that Martinez brings it.

Paul Williams he traded with as the distance favored his punches to be faster and harder. Sure Martinez moves a lot, but he is not a very well versed technician, he uses tactics of movement to his advantage.

I feel that the first 4 or 5 rounds will belong to martinez as it will take chavez a few rounds to adjust to martinez's speed and unorthodx style, but chavez is a young lion fighting and old one,  I see chavez sweeping from round 9 on as martinez will wilt under chavez's constant pressure and determined BODYPUNCHING, my only question is weather chavez will win enough rounds to get a dec.   he will be the stronger man at the end of this fight without a doubt in my mind, so to me rounds 6 to 9 will determine the winner in this one, martinez gets the early rounds, chavez the late ones. if push comes to shove I will pick chavez in a razor close dec vs the much older and always overrated martinez.

IMO, I don't think Martinez is way over-rated. Let's be realistic, the majority of the best lbs-for-lbs boxers today are at lightweight and below. This has always been the case in history because although these men are small, is doesn't make their chins weaker. Therefore, they must work body and head near equally to be able to just compete. Their stamina has to be much better along with their fundamentals and technique.
Today, marketing has done a great job selling fight that are mostly 99% over before the fight begins. We have fighter nearing 40 years of age and older winning in more dominating fashion than ever. I will not be led to believe that better nutrition and longer experience has allowed fighter over to be so dominant in some bouts, therefore leaving me with the option that the competition is weaker than ever in mid-to-heavier. The only weight class that you could make a case for as fighter getting older and much better is heavyweight because of the much lower output capacity and experience applied makes a huge difference in a division most commonly known for one-punch KOs. Only in scenarios like Ali (Clay) when he was 22 years old and his speed in his hands and feet were unreal for a heavyweight 6'3" and 210-215 lbs. Many columnists claimed he had a weak chin because he moved so fast and avoided punches. Clearly as his reflexes and speed to a dramatic turn for the worse, he was considered one the greatest punch takers of all-time.

Martinez should win, imo.  But I've got this funny feeling we could see a repeat of Cotto/Margarito 1.  

1. I'm highly skeptical that Chavez makes weight. 

I was kinda liking Chavez in this fight but he takes alot of punchs and he isn't a very good defensive fighter. I don't think he has been hit with the likes of Martinez's overhand right. Andy Lee was rocking him and tried to trade with him. Martinez won't do that. He will bang him out with the right hand and then not be hit. He will be alot more elusive then an Andy Lee. I like Martinez to stop him in the middle rounds. Should be an excellent fight.

canelo is going to stop sergio when he couldnt stop a 40-year-old mosely?

i would be a little cynical about a guy who had the opportunity to fight vanes, lara, bundrage, quillan, trout, molina and kirkland yet decided to physically take advantage of a guy that is only three months removed from a very physical first fight at 147 and was fighting eight round 140 pounders just over a year and a half ago.

there is something seriously wrong with canelo/josesito.

its entirely bad on all levels.

 

The beating he put on Mosley was literally hard to watch. That fight also should have been stopped mercifully when Canelo had him out on his feet due to a thunderous body shot. Also, nobody has ever stopped Mosley and he's fought everyone. Alvarez not doing so is irrelevant.

shane actually threw more punches in rounds 8-12 against canelo(332) than he did against both paq(116) and mayweather(202) so i really cant see why the fight would have been stopped. in rounds 10-12, saul only threw ten more total punches than shane(222/212).

and the mayweather fight was immediately after, imo, mosleys most career defining win over margorito(antonio was never the same after this beatdown). the canelo fight, two years later, was immediately after the paq loss where shane was seen trying to hug paq at every opportuninty and even apologized for what was an inadvertant knockdown.

if both chavez and martinez escape next months fight without severe damage there is absolutely no way gbp will put canelo in with either one at 160.

dlh wont even put him in with 40-year-old, contender runner-up corneluis bundrage.

instead, we get josesito lopez.

josesito fucking lopez.

 

Back to the original topic. I'm betting Martinez straight up (-210) and Martinez ITD (+286). Chavez has some physical advantages but a fighter has to have a certain baseline level of speed to even be competitive against Martinez and Chavez doesn't have it.

If I were studying to beat Martinez, one of my points of focus would be countering Martinez with the left hook when you know Martinez' cross is coming because he'll always drop his jab hand. This technique worked for Darren Barker a lil bit. Macklin tried it but couldn't pull it off effectively beacuse he's too slow. And Chavez is even slower.

A recent workout report on Spanish television revealed that Chavez has very flat feet and when he's forced to fight with bounce or be on his toes for too long it bothers him. Everyone saw the Andy Lee fight when he complained to Roach about his legs (and it was barely the end of round 3). The leg cramps are only made worse by the extreme dehydration Chavez endures to make weight. Chavez' footwork has been steadily improving but even when it looks good technically, its still slow. Martinez on the other hand is the epitamy of grace, balance, and foot speed.

Martinez is aware that this fight is a Top Rank promotion, in Las Vegas, against the son of a Mexican legend, on Mexican Independence Day, for a Mexican belt. It's the biggest fight of his life and he said he's bringing his own judges - his fists.

Chavez has a great chin but I have NO DOUBT he'll take the most punishment he ever has. I'm predicting the doctor stops it on cuts or Freddie Roach on mercy. This fight will be the coming out party Martinez has been waiting for.

DatMofo...great info...gl on the fight