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    Pavlik -Williams October 3rd

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    nuttyrich
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    Posted: Aug. 14, 2009 - 10:27 PM ET #26

    Full: Kudos to Pavlik if it wasn't money related. The reason he doesn't get the deserved linear because he had fights other fights but he fought Bernard Hopkins and got schooled.

    Dan Rafeal just reported after Mora pulled out they wanted a HIGH profile fight from Pavlik, guess they are tired of him fighting.. Lockett and Rubios ...(mind you HBO made that a PPV against RUBIO)

    I'm glad this fight is done too, I hope I'm wrong and Kelly Pavlik makes this a war. I don't question Kelly's heart but I don't believe he has the skill set to compete with Paul Williams.

    Isn't it good that the  Mora fight got canceled? We get this fight instead!


    The next 6 months will be the best boxing has seen in years.. :)



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    Full: Kudos to Pavlik if it wasn't money related. The reason he doesn't get the deserved linear because he had fights other fights but he fought Bernard Hopkins and got schooled.

    Dan Rafeal just reported after Mora pulled out they wanted a HIGH profile fight from Pavlik, guess they are tired of him fighting.. Lockett and Rubios ...(mind you HBO made that a PPV against RUBIO)

    I'm glad this fight is done too, I hope I'm wrong and Kelly Pavlik makes this a war. I don't question Kelly's heart but I don't believe he has the skill set to compete with Paul Williams.

    Isn't it good that the  Mora fight got canceled? We get this fight instead!


    The next 6 months will be the best boxing has seen in years.. :)



     
    nuttyrich
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    Posted: Aug. 14, 2009 - 10:35 PM ET #27

    Quote Originally Posted by Mack05:

    Rich I wont fight too hard with you on this. Williams could be a beast..Just too many unknows for me here


    Mack Oh no fighting here, I have  respect for your picks and this is boxing anything can happen!

    Just not  very often I disagree with you on every level on a fight :) Sometimes we like different men in the ring, but usually we agree on something.

    I believe I know enough of Pavlik, to Take Paul Williams.

    I saw that Williams Quintana fight.. (first and second).. I still cannot for the life in me know what Paul Williams was doing  in the first fight.

    Dan Rafael reports when Mora pulled out HBO was pressuring Pavlik for a high profile fight...you do know Pavlik had the balls to take a PPV against RUBIO.. and before Hopkins he fought an amazing fighter named Gary Lockett. You think this is what HBO wanted from Pavlik  when they brought him in?

    Pavlik got his 2 easy fights against Lockett (and RUBIO) PPV <-- still cannot believe this was a PPV.

    Time for him to EARN his money against Paul Williams.

    Still cannot believe all these amazing fights coming up this year!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mack05:

    Rich I wont fight too hard with you on this. Williams could be a beast..Just too many unknows for me here


    Mack Oh no fighting here, I have  respect for your picks and this is boxing anything can happen!

    Just not  very often I disagree with you on every level on a fight :) Sometimes we like different men in the ring, but usually we agree on something.

    I believe I know enough of Pavlik, to Take Paul Williams.

    I saw that Williams Quintana fight.. (first and second).. I still cannot for the life in me know what Paul Williams was doing  in the first fight.

    Dan Rafael reports when Mora pulled out HBO was pressuring Pavlik for a high profile fight...you do know Pavlik had the balls to take a PPV against RUBIO.. and before Hopkins he fought an amazing fighter named Gary Lockett. You think this is what HBO wanted from Pavlik  when they brought him in?

    Pavlik got his 2 easy fights against Lockett (and RUBIO) PPV <-- still cannot believe this was a PPV.

    Time for him to EARN his money against Paul Williams.

    Still cannot believe all these amazing fights coming up this year!


     
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    Posted: Aug. 15, 2009 - 2:36 PM ET #28

    Pavlik is one of the most Overrated boxers in the game today. Terrible footwork, telegraphs too many of his punches, average defense. Doubt he would have beaten Sergio Mora. That's probably why he pulled out with some lame excuse. In this fight, at least he'll make some big money to get beaten up. This is what you call "going from the frying pan into the fire". If you get + $$ with Williams..... it will be an early Christmas present. Pavlik best chance would be to land a lucky punch, & that's not something I would be willing to bet on. Would you?
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    Pavlik is one of the most Overrated boxers in the game today. Terrible footwork, telegraphs too many of his punches, average defense. Doubt he would have beaten Sergio Mora. That's probably why he pulled out with some lame excuse. In this fight, at least he'll make some big money to get beaten up. This is what you call "going from the frying pan into the fire". If you get + $$ with Williams..... it will be an early Christmas present. Pavlik best chance would be to land a lucky punch, & that's not something I would be willing to bet on. Would you?
     
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    Posted: Aug. 21, 2009 - 10:13 AM ET #29

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    Posted: Aug. 21, 2009 - 11:05 AM ET #30

    Fight might not happen. 
     
     
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    This whole Kelly Pavlik-Paul Williams postponement/cancellation is a mess. I just hope the fight comes off this fall, even if it looks a little shaky.

    After a long, tough negotiation, one of the year's great fights was supposed to be announced at a formal news conference Tuesday afternoon in New York. Pavlik's manager, Cameron Dunkin, and much of Top Rank's staff were already there awaiting the arrival of Pavlik and the Williams camp.

    Then, on Monday afternoon came word that the bout was postponed, according to Top Rank. Promoter Bob Arum and Dunkin said Pavlik had a staph infection on a knuckle on his left hand (something he supposedly has been dealing with for months) and that the bout would be delayed. At first, Top Rank announced it would be pushed back to Nov. 21 (a date it had cleared with HBO and the venue, Boardwalk Hall in Atlantic City, N.J.). Then it was amended to Nov. 21 or a date in early December.

    On the other side, Dan Goossen, Williams' promoter, who was not too pleased. The first he heard about the Nov. 21 date was from a reporter. It sounded fishy because anyone who glances at the boxing schedule -- I keep a very detailed one for ESPN.com -- would know that Goossen is promoting the Mikkel Kessler-Andre Ward super middleweight title bout on Showtime on Nov. 21.

    It's a major fight that is part of Showtime's Super Six World Boxing Classic. Obviously, Goossen isn't going to promote another major fight against himself. That would be bad business and damaging to Showtime, which is paying a lot of money to Goossen for Ward's next four fights -- one tuneup and a minimum of three tournament fights.

    When I called Goossen to ask about his take on moving Pavlik-Williams to Nov. 21 or into December, he was noncommittal and kept referring to the fight being "canceled."

    When I asked him about being amenable to Williams facing Pavlik in December, he was measured in his response.

    "Paul last fought in April, and we all want him back in the ring in October because he can't just sit around. He needs to fight," Goossen said. "We have no problem fighting Kelly Pavlik. We never have. That's who we all wanted to fight, but it might have to wait until next year. Does it makes sense for us to say we'll do the fight in December when we don't know if Pavlik will show up and we don't know the extent of his problems?"

    Arum, on the other hand, assured me it would all be worked out this week, though it's pretty clear Arum himself isn't pleased with Pavlik.

    He and Dunkin both said Pavlik missed at least three doctor's appointments and that the fighter didn't finally see a physician until just hours before he was supposed to leave for New York. Why would a world champion with a multimillion-dollar fight in front of him miss three appointments to have his hand checked? Remember, Pavlik makes his multimillion-dollar living with his hands.

    It seems like very odd behavior and, quite frankly, highly unprofessional.

    It took a lot to get the sides to agree on the fight. It would be a shame to see it go down the drain.

     

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    Fight might not happen. 
     
     
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    This whole Kelly Pavlik-Paul Williams postponement/cancellation is a mess. I just hope the fight comes off this fall, even if it looks a little shaky.

    After a long, tough negotiation, one of the year's great fights was supposed to be announced at a formal news conference Tuesday afternoon in New York. Pavlik's manager, Cameron Dunkin, and much of Top Rank's staff were already there awaiting the arrival of Pavlik and the Williams camp.

    Then, on Monday afternoon came word that the bout was postponed, according to Top Rank. Promoter Bob Arum and Dunkin said Pavlik had a staph infection on a knuckle on his left hand (something he supposedly has been dealing with for months) and that the bout would be delayed. At first, Top Rank announced it would be pushed back to Nov. 21 (a date it had cleared with HBO and the venue, Boardwalk Hall in Atlantic City, N.J.). Then it was amended to Nov. 21 or a date in early December.

    On the other side, Dan Goossen, Williams' promoter, who was not too pleased. The first he heard about the Nov. 21 date was from a reporter. It sounded fishy because anyone who glances at the boxing schedule -- I keep a very detailed one for ESPN.com -- would know that Goossen is promoting the Mikkel Kessler-Andre Ward super middleweight title bout on Showtime on Nov. 21.

    It's a major fight that is part of Showtime's Super Six World Boxing Classic. Obviously, Goossen isn't going to promote another major fight against himself. That would be bad business and damaging to Showtime, which is paying a lot of money to Goossen for Ward's next four fights -- one tuneup and a minimum of three tournament fights.

    When I called Goossen to ask about his take on moving Pavlik-Williams to Nov. 21 or into December, he was noncommittal and kept referring to the fight being "canceled."

    When I asked him about being amenable to Williams facing Pavlik in December, he was measured in his response.

    "Paul last fought in April, and we all want him back in the ring in October because he can't just sit around. He needs to fight," Goossen said. "We have no problem fighting Kelly Pavlik. We never have. That's who we all wanted to fight, but it might have to wait until next year. Does it makes sense for us to say we'll do the fight in December when we don't know if Pavlik will show up and we don't know the extent of his problems?"

    Arum, on the other hand, assured me it would all be worked out this week, though it's pretty clear Arum himself isn't pleased with Pavlik.

    He and Dunkin both said Pavlik missed at least three doctor's appointments and that the fighter didn't finally see a physician until just hours before he was supposed to leave for New York. Why would a world champion with a multimillion-dollar fight in front of him miss three appointments to have his hand checked? Remember, Pavlik makes his multimillion-dollar living with his hands.

    It seems like very odd behavior and, quite frankly, highly unprofessional.

    It took a lot to get the sides to agree on the fight. It would be a shame to see it go down the drain.

     

     
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    Posted: Aug. 28, 2009 - 11:54 PM ET #31

    Does everybody take piss around the 5th round? I can't even phathom the thought of The Ghost not KO'ing Paul! I agree Williams will come out and hit and run, One left ,Right combo from Kelly and then paul will just run My prediction KO in round 8 The Ghost still the bigger badder and grittier of the 2
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    Does everybody take piss around the 5th round? I can't even phathom the thought of The Ghost not KO'ing Paul! I agree Williams will come out and hit and run, One left ,Right combo from Kelly and then paul will just run My prediction KO in round 8 The Ghost still the bigger badder and grittier of the 2
     
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    Posted: Aug. 29, 2009 - 12:40 AM ET #32

    I hear Pavlik has a serious drinking problem.
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    I hear Pavlik has a serious drinking problem.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 29, 2009 - 9:23 AM ET #33

    Quote Originally Posted by McNulty:

    I hear Pavlik has a serious drinking problem.

     

    Yup.  I've also read that he runs with some bad people in Youngstown, and he's not nearly as dedicated to boxing as he should be. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by McNulty:

    I hear Pavlik has a serious drinking problem.

     

    Yup.  I've also read that he runs with some bad people in Youngstown, and he's not nearly as dedicated to boxing as he should be. 

     
     
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    Posted: Sep. 6, 2009 - 2:36 AM ET #34

    Quote Originally Posted by McNulty:

    I hear Pavlik has a serious drinking problem.

    nice info my friend and all the better to take Paul other than he is way better and will kill kelly worse than B Hop did....

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    Quote Originally Posted by McNulty:

    I hear Pavlik has a serious drinking problem.

    nice info my friend and all the better to take Paul other than he is way better and will kill kelly worse than B Hop did....

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