It was an entertaining fight with a lot of heart shown by both fighters. Two boxers with spectacular careers that we'll remember for probably the rest of our lives----thanks Roy and Joe!
Appreciate it man, this weekend was huge in my quest to get back in the positive before the end of the year. I don't want to have to swallow a losing year for the first time.
Yeah, it was a good career for Roy no doubt about it. His skills and reflexes in his prime were ridiculous, but after those diminished so did he. His natural talent is what I will remember most about his career. On the same token you have to remember that he had a stretch of a few years where he fought complete bums for HBO guaranteed money off of his name and how the tail end of his career came to a close with the brutal KO losses to Tarver/Johnson and his wide decision losses to Tarver and Calzaghe. He didn't have the staying power because of what he depended on to rise to the top unlike a Hopkins who is just a master craftsman of core boxing skills.
I will be very surprised if that's the last we see of Calzaghe though. He would be crazy to hang it up in my opinion, the opponents may not be there, but his name has more star power then ever after staying in the UK for a so many years against over matched opponents. It may not be a big name fight, but if the fans like Kellerman want him to face Dawson it may happen and I really think he wins that fight.
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Nice call on Calzaghe---congrats on your parlays!
It was an entertaining fight with a lot of heart shown by both fighters. Two boxers with spectacular careers that we'll remember for probably the rest of our lives----thanks Roy and Joe!
Appreciate it man, this weekend was huge in my quest to get back in the positive before the end of the year. I don't want to have to swallow a losing year for the first time.
Yeah, it was a good career for Roy no doubt about it. His skills and reflexes in his prime were ridiculous, but after those diminished so did he. His natural talent is what I will remember most about his career. On the same token you have to remember that he had a stretch of a few years where he fought complete bums for HBO guaranteed money off of his name and how the tail end of his career came to a close with the brutal KO losses to Tarver/Johnson and his wide decision losses to Tarver and Calzaghe. He didn't have the staying power because of what he depended on to rise to the top unlike a Hopkins who is just a master craftsman of core boxing skills.
I will be very surprised if that's the last we see of Calzaghe though. He would be crazy to hang it up in my opinion, the opponents may not be there, but his name has more star power then ever after staying in the UK for a so many years against over matched opponents. It may not be a big name fight, but if the fans like Kellerman want him to face Dawson it may happen and I really think he wins that fight.
1.5 to win 3.29 Calzaghe (-260) Abraham ITD (-191) Licina ITD (-195)
.5 to win 2.28 Calzaghe (-260) Campos-Salita over 8.5 (-135) Abraham ITD (-191) Licina ITD (-195)
Hedge... .60 of a unit on Jones by decision (+400)
.5 to win 2.01 Mosley ITD (-138) Berto (-900) Klitschko (-145) vs Peter Calzaghe (-320) vs Jones Taylor (-550) vs Lacy
Huge weekend and the remaining parlay pushes on to Taylor next weekend. I really don't think there is a need to hedge based on the amount and I honestly don't give Lacy much of a shot based on how he has looked recently. What a Saturday.
Won 11.02 units for the week. This has been one sweet ride post the Pavlik-Hops disaster weekend.
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1.5 to win 3.29 Calzaghe (-260) Abraham ITD (-191) Licina ITD (-195)
.5 to win 2.28 Calzaghe (-260) Campos-Salita over 8.5 (-135) Abraham ITD (-191) Licina ITD (-195)
Hedge... .60 of a unit on Jones by decision (+400)
.5 to win 2.01 Mosley ITD (-138) Berto (-900) Klitschko (-145) vs Peter Calzaghe (-320) vs Jones Taylor (-550) vs Lacy
Huge weekend and the remaining parlay pushes on to Taylor next weekend. I really don't think there is a need to hedge based on the amount and I honestly don't give Lacy much of a shot based on how he has looked recently. What a Saturday.
Won 11.02 units for the week. This has been one sweet ride post the Pavlik-Hops disaster weekend.
Fullbrights---I agree with you that it would be crazy for Calzaghe to retire right now, he seems to be at the height of his career. I can't believe how quickly he recovered from the first-round knockdown. What a gutsy fighter.
Fullbrights---you're probably more of a boxing historian than me----who would you compare Joe Calzaghe to (historically). He surely doesn't have one-punch KO power, but he wears out his opponents and dictates the fights nonetheless. It's an unorthodox way of carrying out a dominating career. I'm guessing that there might be a fair comparison with one of the Italian-American fighters of the 40's or 50's.
Regarding the diminishing skills of Roy Jones---I have heard many times that his weight gain to move up to heavyweight and subsequent weight loss to get back down to 175 may have taken a toll on his body and worsened his reflexes (along with age)----it sounds reasonable to me. Tonight I heard for the first time from Max Kellerman that as boxers age their facial skin becomes less "elastic" and is more prone to cuts. The cut that Roy Jones endured was pretty bad and may have had an effect on the fight....I'm just not sure if it can be blamed to age or not.
Congratulations again, good luck in the coming weeks.
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Fullbrights---I agree with you that it would be crazy for Calzaghe to retire right now, he seems to be at the height of his career. I can't believe how quickly he recovered from the first-round knockdown. What a gutsy fighter.
Fullbrights---you're probably more of a boxing historian than me----who would you compare Joe Calzaghe to (historically). He surely doesn't have one-punch KO power, but he wears out his opponents and dictates the fights nonetheless. It's an unorthodox way of carrying out a dominating career. I'm guessing that there might be a fair comparison with one of the Italian-American fighters of the 40's or 50's.
Regarding the diminishing skills of Roy Jones---I have heard many times that his weight gain to move up to heavyweight and subsequent weight loss to get back down to 175 may have taken a toll on his body and worsened his reflexes (along with age)----it sounds reasonable to me. Tonight I heard for the first time from Max Kellerman that as boxers age their facial skin becomes less "elastic" and is more prone to cuts. The cut that Roy Jones endured was pretty bad and may have had an effect on the fight....I'm just not sure if it can be blamed to age or not.
Congratulations again, good luck in the coming weeks.
Fullbrights---I agree with you that it would be crazy for Calzaghe to retire right now, he seems to be at the height of his career. I can't believe how quickly he recovered from the first-round knockdown. What a gutsy fighter.
Fullbrights---you're probably more of a boxing historian than me----who would you compare Joe Calzaghe to (historically). He surely doesn't have one-punch KO power, but he wears out his opponents and dictates the fights nonetheless. It's an unorthodox way of carrying out a dominating career. I'm guessing that there might be a fair comparison with one of the Italian-American fighters of the 40's or 50's.
Regarding the diminishing skills of Roy Jones---I have heard many times that his weight gain to move up to heavyweight and subsequent weight loss to get back down to 175 may have taken a toll on his body and worsened his reflexes (along with age)----it sounds reasonable to me. Tonight I heard for the first time from Max Kellerman that as boxers age their facial skin becomes less "elastic" and is more prone to cuts. The cut that Roy Jones endured was pretty bad and may have had an effect on the fight....I'm just not sure if it can be blamed to age or not.
Congratulations again, good luck in the coming weeks.
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Fullbrights---I agree with you that it would be crazy for Calzaghe to retire right now, he seems to be at the height of his career. I can't believe how quickly he recovered from the first-round knockdown. What a gutsy fighter.
Fullbrights---you're probably more of a boxing historian than me----who would you compare Joe Calzaghe to (historically). He surely doesn't have one-punch KO power, but he wears out his opponents and dictates the fights nonetheless. It's an unorthodox way of carrying out a dominating career. I'm guessing that there might be a fair comparison with one of the Italian-American fighters of the 40's or 50's.
Regarding the diminishing skills of Roy Jones---I have heard many times that his weight gain to move up to heavyweight and subsequent weight loss to get back down to 175 may have taken a toll on his body and worsened his reflexes (along with age)----it sounds reasonable to me. Tonight I heard for the first time from Max Kellerman that as boxers age their facial skin becomes less "elastic" and is more prone to cuts. The cut that Roy Jones endured was pretty bad and may have had an effect on the fight....I'm just not sure if it can be blamed to age or not.
Congratulations again, good luck in the coming weeks.
Fullbrights---I agree with you that it would be crazy for Calzaghe to retire right now, he seems to be at the height of his career. I can't believe how quickly he recovered from the first-round knockdown. What a gutsy fighter.
Fullbrights---you're probably more of a boxing historian than me----who would you compare Joe Calzaghe to (historically). He surely doesn't have one-punch KO power, but he wears out his opponents and dictates the fights nonetheless. It's an unorthodox way of carrying out a dominating career. I'm guessing that there might be a fair comparison with one of the Italian-American fighters of the 40's or 50's.
Regarding the diminishing skills of Roy Jones---I have heard many times that his weight gain to move up to heavyweight and subsequent weight loss to get back down to 175 may have taken a toll on his body and worsened his reflexes (along with age)----it sounds reasonable to me. Tonight I heard for the first time from Max Kellerman that as boxers age their facial skin becomes less "elastic" and is more prone to cuts. The cut that Roy Jones endured was pretty bad and may have had an effect on the fight....I'm just not sure if it can be blamed to age or not.
Congratulations again, good luck in the coming weeks.
That historical question about Calzaghe's style is a good one. I have never really thought about it. I wouldn't consider myself a boxing history expert by any means, I am only 25 so it's not like I've been watching the sport for a real long time. Most historical insight that I have really comes from my grandfather who got me watching it at an early age. Just off of the top of my head based on the limited footage I've seen and what I have read through the years I'll spit out a few; it's pretty heavy company and I'm definitely not saying he is on their level in a historic sense but I can see some Harry Greb in him though Joe gets the power edge. Also to a lesser extent maybe Henry Armstrong with less power or maybe even Billy Conn. That's reaching back there quite a few years, but those were a few names that came to mind. Joe's style is pretty unique and that is probably the biggest factor in him being undefeated for so long.
I think there is something to what Max said about the skin factor. Scar tissue just doesn't seem to hold up as well when fighters age, another example of a big fighter recently would be Tyson of course a lot of that scar tissue above the eyes was courtesy of subtle Holyfield butts. I think that is definitely reasonable about his reflexes really being diminished because of that step back down and his legs never looked the same either. I have always thought he should have stayed at HW for a couple of years after beating Ruiz and then called it a career.
Appreciate it man, good luck to you also.
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Quote Originally Posted by FadeMeSucka:
Fullbrights---I agree with you that it would be crazy for Calzaghe to retire right now, he seems to be at the height of his career. I can't believe how quickly he recovered from the first-round knockdown. What a gutsy fighter.
Fullbrights---you're probably more of a boxing historian than me----who would you compare Joe Calzaghe to (historically). He surely doesn't have one-punch KO power, but he wears out his opponents and dictates the fights nonetheless. It's an unorthodox way of carrying out a dominating career. I'm guessing that there might be a fair comparison with one of the Italian-American fighters of the 40's or 50's.
Regarding the diminishing skills of Roy Jones---I have heard many times that his weight gain to move up to heavyweight and subsequent weight loss to get back down to 175 may have taken a toll on his body and worsened his reflexes (along with age)----it sounds reasonable to me. Tonight I heard for the first time from Max Kellerman that as boxers age their facial skin becomes less "elastic" and is more prone to cuts. The cut that Roy Jones endured was pretty bad and may have had an effect on the fight....I'm just not sure if it can be blamed to age or not.
Congratulations again, good luck in the coming weeks.
That historical question about Calzaghe's style is a good one. I have never really thought about it. I wouldn't consider myself a boxing history expert by any means, I am only 25 so it's not like I've been watching the sport for a real long time. Most historical insight that I have really comes from my grandfather who got me watching it at an early age. Just off of the top of my head based on the limited footage I've seen and what I have read through the years I'll spit out a few; it's pretty heavy company and I'm definitely not saying he is on their level in a historic sense but I can see some Harry Greb in him though Joe gets the power edge. Also to a lesser extent maybe Henry Armstrong with less power or maybe even Billy Conn. That's reaching back there quite a few years, but those were a few names that came to mind. Joe's style is pretty unique and that is probably the biggest factor in him being undefeated for so long.
I think there is something to what Max said about the skin factor. Scar tissue just doesn't seem to hold up as well when fighters age, another example of a big fighter recently would be Tyson of course a lot of that scar tissue above the eyes was courtesy of subtle Holyfield butts. I think that is definitely reasonable about his reflexes really being diminished because of that step back down and his legs never looked the same either. I have always thought he should have stayed at HW for a couple of years after beating Ruiz and then called it a career.
[quote] I think there is something to what Max said about the skin factor. Scar tissue just doesn't seem to hold up as well when fighters age, another example of a big fighter recently would be Tyson of course a lot of that scar tissue above the eyes was courtesy of subtle Holyfield butts. I think that is definitely reasonable about his reflexes really being diminished because of that step back down and his legs never looked the same either. I have always thought he should have stayed at HW for a couple of years after beating Ruiz and then called it a career.
Appreciate it man, good luck to you also. [/Quote]
We can officially add Zab to the "bleeders" list. Cuts over both eyes last night against a no-hoper.
Congrats on the weekend FB.
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[quote] I think there is something to what Max said about the skin factor. Scar tissue just doesn't seem to hold up as well when fighters age, another example of a big fighter recently would be Tyson of course a lot of that scar tissue above the eyes was courtesy of subtle Holyfield butts. I think that is definitely reasonable about his reflexes really being diminished because of that step back down and his legs never looked the same either. I have always thought he should have stayed at HW for a couple of years after beating Ruiz and then called it a career.
Appreciate it man, good luck to you also. [/Quote]
We can officially add Zab to the "bleeders" list. Cuts over both eyes last night against a no-hoper.
I guess you cant fault Dimes. With Augustus seemingly going to win, I was prepared to argue with them if they graded my bet a loss. With the shoe on the other foot, I really can't complain. 8 and 10 rounds really are different fights.
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Great week.
I guess you cant fault Dimes. With Augustus seemingly going to win, I was prepared to argue with them if they graded my bet a loss. With the shoe on the other foot, I really can't complain. 8 and 10 rounds really are different fights.
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