I am telling you Margarito has less then 0% of beating Pacquaio.
I agree Margarito's chances of winning are slim, but not less than zero. He does have a chance, but only a punchers chance. Margarito needs to stop Pacquiao to get a win on the 13th. Everyone is on board and no way in hell Margarito gets a decision win no matter how much of a beating he puts on Manny.
I also have serious doubt that Jerseyboy is a Filipino. We need proof, concrete proof.
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Quote Originally Posted by Mack05:
I am telling you Margarito has less then 0% of beating Pacquaio.
I agree Margarito's chances of winning are slim, but not less than zero. He does have a chance, but only a punchers chance. Margarito needs to stop Pacquiao to get a win on the 13th. Everyone is on board and no way in hell Margarito gets a decision win no matter how much of a beating he puts on Manny.
I also have serious doubt that Jerseyboy is a Filipino. We need proof, concrete proof.
People have short memories. What they want to see is often times different than reality. And to Margarito backers who are giving reasons as to HOW and WHY this fight could be competitive......I implore you to do the following:
Rewatch Shane Mosley's annihilation of this man. That fight not only took years off Margo's life, it ended his career.
He is a "dead" fighter.
Manny might not be great in his present form or so the media is leading us to believe (ahem...Bob Arum). But he won't need to be. He'll look dominant looking average.......remember, 5 - 1 wasn't originally posted as a mistake.
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People have short memories. What they want to see is often times different than reality. And to Margarito backers who are giving reasons as to HOW and WHY this fight could be competitive......I implore you to do the following:
Rewatch Shane Mosley's annihilation of this man. That fight not only took years off Margo's life, it ended his career.
He is a "dead" fighter.
Manny might not be great in his present form or so the media is leading us to believe (ahem...Bob Arum). But he won't need to be. He'll look dominant looking average.......remember, 5 - 1 wasn't originally posted as a mistake.
People have short memories. What they want to see is often times different than reality. And to Margarito backers who are giving reasons as to HOW and WHY this fight could be competitive......I implore you to do the following:
Rewatch Shane Mosley's annihilation of this man. That fight not only took years off Margo's life, it ended his career.
He is a "dead" fighter.
Manny might not be great in his present form or so the media is leading us to believe (ahem...Bob Arum). But he won't need to be. He'll look dominant looking average.......remember, 5 - 1 wasn't originally posted as a mistake.
Like the 5-1 Margarito was dealing to Mosley?
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Quote Originally Posted by PINNACLE:
People have short memories. What they want to see is often times different than reality. And to Margarito backers who are giving reasons as to HOW and WHY this fight could be competitive......I implore you to do the following:
Rewatch Shane Mosley's annihilation of this man. That fight not only took years off Margo's life, it ended his career.
He is a "dead" fighter.
Manny might not be great in his present form or so the media is leading us to believe (ahem...Bob Arum). But he won't need to be. He'll look dominant looking average.......remember, 5 - 1 wasn't originally posted as a mistake.
Actually that fight was between 3 and 4 to 1.....but I hear you.
Completely different animal here though. In January of 09' Margarito's stock had never been higher and the public (the same public that watched him walk Cotto down) viewed him as invincible at 147lbs and was all over his nutts. That price was completely undeserveing against an opponent of SSM's caliber. But again, perception was Shane was old and about to take the plunge. This fight is completely opposite, as the dog is viewed as a "live" one instead of the "dead" one that he is.....
GL Walk
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Walk--
Actually that fight was between 3 and 4 to 1.....but I hear you.
Completely different animal here though. In January of 09' Margarito's stock had never been higher and the public (the same public that watched him walk Cotto down) viewed him as invincible at 147lbs and was all over his nutts. That price was completely undeserveing against an opponent of SSM's caliber. But again, perception was Shane was old and about to take the plunge. This fight is completely opposite, as the dog is viewed as a "live" one instead of the "dead" one that he is.....
Actually that fight was between 3 and 4 to 1.....but I hear you.
Completely different animal here though. In January of 09' Margarito's stock had never been higher and the public (the same public that watched him walk Cotto down) viewed him as invincible at 147lbs and was all over his nutts. That price was completely undeserveing against an opponent of SSM's caliber. But again, perception was Shane was old and about to take the plunge. This fight is completely opposite, as the dog is viewed as a "live" one instead of the "dead" one that he is.....
GL Walk
Good luck to you too. I could see Manny moving around and hitting Margo with pot shots for 12 rounds like he did against Clottey and winning every round. However, I don't feel that will happen because Margarito will close the distance (even if it means face first) regardless of what it takes. Removing that possibility means Manny will have to stand and fight. He might have won those exchanges against Cotto, but I don't see where he dominates these exchanges or even gets the best of them.
I'm really starting to believe we'll see Margarito use his natural size to outbang Manny and make him look his true size. Manny has been able to use pure talent (and careful selection) to avoid the fact he is in way over his head (literally) in the size department. He'll always be able to get off first and avoid big shots unless Margo can get him on the ropes or sucker him into a slugfest. But can Manny get in a solid punching range against Margo without putting himself in real danger? I don't think so. I don't see Manny out banging Margo on the inside, that's for sure.
As far as the theory that Arum/Roach wouldn't put their cash cow at risk... there is no more milk in said cow. No Mayweather fight, no milk. Manny being Congress Manny, no milk. No options were left, so Manny got his chance to really show himself against a "big" fighter and Arum gets to double dip on the promotion angle.
Also...
In November 10, PACQUIAO's stock had never been higher and the public (the same public that watched him BEAT Cotto down) viewed him as invincible and was all over his nutts. That price was completely undeserving against an opponent of MARGARITO's caliber. But again, perception was that MARGARITO was old and about to take the plunge.
So is it REALLY all that different? JK. Good luck buddy.
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Quote Originally Posted by PINNACLE:
Walk--
Actually that fight was between 3 and 4 to 1.....but I hear you.
Completely different animal here though. In January of 09' Margarito's stock had never been higher and the public (the same public that watched him walk Cotto down) viewed him as invincible at 147lbs and was all over his nutts. That price was completely undeserveing against an opponent of SSM's caliber. But again, perception was Shane was old and about to take the plunge. This fight is completely opposite, as the dog is viewed as a "live" one instead of the "dead" one that he is.....
GL Walk
Good luck to you too. I could see Manny moving around and hitting Margo with pot shots for 12 rounds like he did against Clottey and winning every round. However, I don't feel that will happen because Margarito will close the distance (even if it means face first) regardless of what it takes. Removing that possibility means Manny will have to stand and fight. He might have won those exchanges against Cotto, but I don't see where he dominates these exchanges or even gets the best of them.
I'm really starting to believe we'll see Margarito use his natural size to outbang Manny and make him look his true size. Manny has been able to use pure talent (and careful selection) to avoid the fact he is in way over his head (literally) in the size department. He'll always be able to get off first and avoid big shots unless Margo can get him on the ropes or sucker him into a slugfest. But can Manny get in a solid punching range against Margo without putting himself in real danger? I don't think so. I don't see Manny out banging Margo on the inside, that's for sure.
As far as the theory that Arum/Roach wouldn't put their cash cow at risk... there is no more milk in said cow. No Mayweather fight, no milk. Manny being Congress Manny, no milk. No options were left, so Manny got his chance to really show himself against a "big" fighter and Arum gets to double dip on the promotion angle.
Also...
In November 10, PACQUIAO's stock had never been higher and the public (the same public that watched him BEAT Cotto down) viewed him as invincible and was all over his nutts. That price was completely undeserving against an opponent of MARGARITO's caliber. But again, perception was that MARGARITO was old and about to take the plunge.
So is it REALLY all that different? JK. Good luck buddy.
What makes a perfect storm? If all the reports (including straight the ones straight from Roach himself) coming out of Pacquiao's camp have are valid, is now the time to fade Pacquiao? Maybe, maybe not, but I'm starting to feel all signs point to yes.
1. How much did the Mayweather drama take from Pacquaio?
2. When is Manny going up too high in weight/size for his own good?
3. How good is Margarito, assuming that the wraps were never used in any other fights other than the Mosley debacle?
4. Are all the pieces in place for Manny to get defeated and shift all of his focus to his "real" job in congress? Is a loss in this fight the excuse he needs to finally step away?
I'm very interested in hearing your thoughts on these questions. Fire away.
stop right there! the wraps were used in the cotto fight, i bet you. he got caught against mosley but i guarantee you he was using them before he was caught. it's like when a baseball player corks his bat. you don't find out until the bat splits in half and the cork dust flies out like what happened to sammy sosa.
i just dont think marga-cheato is nearly the same fighter when he's not cheating, and it's just a matter of time when the smaller but quicker pacquiao gets to him and finishes him off the way mosley did
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Quote Originally Posted by walktheline:
What makes a perfect storm? If all the reports (including straight the ones straight from Roach himself) coming out of Pacquiao's camp have are valid, is now the time to fade Pacquiao? Maybe, maybe not, but I'm starting to feel all signs point to yes.
1. How much did the Mayweather drama take from Pacquaio?
2. When is Manny going up too high in weight/size for his own good?
3. How good is Margarito, assuming that the wraps were never used in any other fights other than the Mosley debacle?
4. Are all the pieces in place for Manny to get defeated and shift all of his focus to his "real" job in congress? Is a loss in this fight the excuse he needs to finally step away?
I'm very interested in hearing your thoughts on these questions. Fire away.
stop right there! the wraps were used in the cotto fight, i bet you. he got caught against mosley but i guarantee you he was using them before he was caught. it's like when a baseball player corks his bat. you don't find out until the bat splits in half and the cork dust flies out like what happened to sammy sosa.
i just dont think marga-cheato is nearly the same fighter when he's not cheating, and it's just a matter of time when the smaller but quicker pacquiao gets to him and finishes him off the way mosley did
Good luck to you too. I could see Manny moving around and hitting Margo with pot shots for 12 rounds like he did against Clottey and winning every round. However, I don't feel that will happen because Margarito will close the distance (even if it means face first) regardless of what it takes. Removing that possibility means Manny will have to stand and fight. He might have won those exchanges against Cotto, but I don't see where he dominates these exchanges or even gets the best of them.
I'm really starting to believe we'll see Margarito use his natural size to outbang Manny and make him look his true size. Manny has been able to use pure talent (and careful selection) to avoid the fact he is in way over his head (literally) in the size department. He'll always be able to get off first and avoid big shots unless Margo can get him on the ropes or sucker him into a slugfest. But can Manny get in a solid punching range against Margo without putting himself in real danger? I don't think so. I don't see Manny out banging Margo on the inside, that's for sure.
As far as the theory that Arum/Roach wouldn't put their cash cow at risk... there is no more milk in said cow. No Mayweather fight, no milk. Manny being Congress Manny, no milk. No options were left, so Manny got his chance to really show himself against a "big" fighter and Arum gets to double dip on the promotion angle.
Also...
In November 10, PACQUIAO's stock had never been higher and the public (the same public that watched him BEAT Cotto down) viewed him as invincible and was all over his nutts. That price was completely undeserving against an opponent of MARGARITO's caliber. But again, perception was that MARGARITO was old and about to take the plunge.
So is it REALLY all that different? JK. Good luck buddy.
Good post WTL, very well done.
@gridironguy...
If he had teh bricks, Cotto would have been out much earlier. I called the match-up months in advance as well as its victor and the actual punch that would get Margarito the win, which was the uppercut. Cotto's defense and chin are his biggest chinks. If his chin was rock solid maybe a case could be made but that fight went deep and he took a ton of punishment. Margarito's style won that fight, not bricks.
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Quote Originally Posted by walktheline:
Good luck to you too. I could see Manny moving around and hitting Margo with pot shots for 12 rounds like he did against Clottey and winning every round. However, I don't feel that will happen because Margarito will close the distance (even if it means face first) regardless of what it takes. Removing that possibility means Manny will have to stand and fight. He might have won those exchanges against Cotto, but I don't see where he dominates these exchanges or even gets the best of them.
I'm really starting to believe we'll see Margarito use his natural size to outbang Manny and make him look his true size. Manny has been able to use pure talent (and careful selection) to avoid the fact he is in way over his head (literally) in the size department. He'll always be able to get off first and avoid big shots unless Margo can get him on the ropes or sucker him into a slugfest. But can Manny get in a solid punching range against Margo without putting himself in real danger? I don't think so. I don't see Manny out banging Margo on the inside, that's for sure.
As far as the theory that Arum/Roach wouldn't put their cash cow at risk... there is no more milk in said cow. No Mayweather fight, no milk. Manny being Congress Manny, no milk. No options were left, so Manny got his chance to really show himself against a "big" fighter and Arum gets to double dip on the promotion angle.
Also...
In November 10, PACQUIAO's stock had never been higher and the public (the same public that watched him BEAT Cotto down) viewed him as invincible and was all over his nutts. That price was completely undeserving against an opponent of MARGARITO's caliber. But again, perception was that MARGARITO was old and about to take the plunge.
So is it REALLY all that different? JK. Good luck buddy.
Good post WTL, very well done.
@gridironguy...
If he had teh bricks, Cotto would have been out much earlier. I called the match-up months in advance as well as its victor and the actual punch that would get Margarito the win, which was the uppercut. Cotto's defense and chin are his biggest chinks. If his chin was rock solid maybe a case could be made but that fight went deep and he took a ton of punishment. Margarito's style won that fight, not bricks.
Margarito hasn't taken a boatload of damage in his career. Mosley gave him the lumps and Williams gave him a few bubbles...thats about it. Marg is really a jr midd shrunk down anyway, despite the catch-weight, weight is in his favor.
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Margarito hasn't taken a boatload of damage in his career. Mosley gave him the lumps and Williams gave him a few bubbles...thats about it. Marg is really a jr midd shrunk down anyway, despite the catch-weight, weight is in his favor.
If he had teh bricks, Cotto would have been out much earlier. I called the match-up months in advance as well as its victor and the actual punch that would get Margarito the win, which was the uppercut. Cotto's defense and chin are his biggest chinks. If his chin was rock solid maybe a case could be made but that fight went deep and he took a ton of punishment. Margarito's style won that fight, not bricks.
you honestly believe that the first time in his career that Marga-cheato actually cheated with something foreign on or in his handwraps was when he got caught by Mosley's camp? you are a little naive Sir
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Quote Originally Posted by McNulty:
Good post WTL, very well done.
@gridironguy...
If he had teh bricks, Cotto would have been out much earlier. I called the match-up months in advance as well as its victor and the actual punch that would get Margarito the win, which was the uppercut. Cotto's defense and chin are his biggest chinks. If his chin was rock solid maybe a case could be made but that fight went deep and he took a ton of punishment. Margarito's style won that fight, not bricks.
you honestly believe that the first time in his career that Marga-cheato actually cheated with something foreign on or in his handwraps was when he got caught by Mosley's camp? you are a little naive Sir
you honestly believe that the first time in his career that Marga-cheato actually cheated with something foreign on or in his handwraps was when he got caught by Mosley's camp? you are a little naive Sir
Can't be proved, plus I saw the evidence photo of the insert. From what I've seen and read it is possible at that time to not realize his insert was loaded. Not sure he was fully wrapped and definitely sure he hadn't hit anything with it. The plaster that was in the insert was covered by gauze on both sides so naturally one wouldn't feel it. Its not like the plaster was on the outer edges, then it would be a bit more obvious.
Whoever said that because a guy did it once he always did it? If that was the case There would be a long list of suicides related to Resto. Did Resto use them his entire career? If yes, then why hasn't anyone come forward all banged up for life?
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Quote Originally Posted by gridironguy:
you honestly believe that the first time in his career that Marga-cheato actually cheated with something foreign on or in his handwraps was when he got caught by Mosley's camp? you are a little naive Sir
Can't be proved, plus I saw the evidence photo of the insert. From what I've seen and read it is possible at that time to not realize his insert was loaded. Not sure he was fully wrapped and definitely sure he hadn't hit anything with it. The plaster that was in the insert was covered by gauze on both sides so naturally one wouldn't feel it. Its not like the plaster was on the outer edges, then it would be a bit more obvious.
Whoever said that because a guy did it once he always did it? If that was the case There would be a long list of suicides related to Resto. Did Resto use them his entire career? If yes, then why hasn't anyone come forward all banged up for life?
you honestly believe that the first time in his career that Marga-cheato actually cheated with something foreign on or in his handwraps was when he got caught by Mosley's camp? you are a little naive Sir
So that means Mosley was on steroids his whole career, and the Mosley that beat Margarito was juiced up. Hence the reason why the fight was moved from Vegas to Cali, where the California testing is a known joke.
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Quote Originally Posted by gridironguy:
you honestly believe that the first time in his career that Marga-cheato actually cheated with something foreign on or in his handwraps was when he got caught by Mosley's camp? you are a little naive Sir
So that means Mosley was on steroids his whole career, and the Mosley that beat Margarito was juiced up. Hence the reason why the fight was moved from Vegas to Cali, where the California testing is a known joke.
Can't be proved, plus I saw the evidence photo of the insert. From what I've seen and read it is possible at that time to not realize his insert was loaded. Not sure he was fully wrapped and definitely sure he hadn't hit anything with it. The plaster that was in the insert was covered by gauze on both sides so naturally one wouldn't feel it. Its not like the plaster was on the outer edges, then it would be a bit more obvious.
Whoever said that because a guy did it once he always did it? If that was the case There would be a long list of suicides related to Resto. Did Resto use them his entire career? If yes, then why hasn't anyone come forward all banged up for life?
on his wiki page he admits to using them at least 2 other times. from his wiki page:
"t a 2008 press conference, Resto said that he knew Lewis had taken the
padding out of his gloves and had done so at least twice before.
in EVERY fight BEFORE marga-cheato got caught using the plaster, it is safe and correct to assume that he was cheating
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Quote Originally Posted by McNulty:
Can't be proved, plus I saw the evidence photo of the insert. From what I've seen and read it is possible at that time to not realize his insert was loaded. Not sure he was fully wrapped and definitely sure he hadn't hit anything with it. The plaster that was in the insert was covered by gauze on both sides so naturally one wouldn't feel it. Its not like the plaster was on the outer edges, then it would be a bit more obvious.
Whoever said that because a guy did it once he always did it? If that was the case There would be a long list of suicides related to Resto. Did Resto use them his entire career? If yes, then why hasn't anyone come forward all banged up for life?
on his wiki page he admits to using them at least 2 other times. from his wiki page:
"t a 2008 press conference, Resto said that he knew Lewis had taken the
padding out of his gloves and had done so at least twice before.
So that means Mosley was on steroids his whole career, and the Mosley that beat Margarito was juiced up. Hence the reason why the fight was moved from Vegas to Cali, where the California testing is a known joke.
in EVERY fight BEFORE mosley got caught using steroids, it is safe and correct to assume that he was cheating. you don't sound very educated....
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Quote Originally Posted by Jerseyboy89:
So that means Mosley was on steroids his whole career, and the Mosley that beat Margarito was juiced up. Hence the reason why the fight was moved from Vegas to Cali, where the California testing is a known joke.
in EVERY fight BEFORE mosley got caught using steroids, it is safe and correct to assume that he was cheating. you don't sound very educated....
i'm not buying this crap about manny being distracted with other things. manny is ALWAYS fukking distracted, and all he does is kick everyone's ass who they put in front of him. i know it's hard to believe that a 5'6" philipino is dominating the sport of boxing, but it's true, and it's about time that the naysayers accept it. what will be the excuses when he beats marga-cheato???
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i'm not buying this crap about manny being distracted with other things. manny is ALWAYS fukking distracted, and all he does is kick everyone's ass who they put in front of him. i know it's hard to believe that a 5'6" philipino is dominating the sport of boxing, but it's true, and it's about time that the naysayers accept it. what will be the excuses when he beats marga-cheato???
You can't assume that Margarito was using the wraps before the Mosley fight. The hands are checked by a commission rep and a rep from the opposing corner. Maybe he did have the loaded wraps for the Cotto fight and everyone was lax in their responsibilities. No one knows either way, for certain.
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You can't assume that Margarito was using the wraps before the Mosley fight. The hands are checked by a commission rep and a rep from the opposing corner. Maybe he did have the loaded wraps for the Cotto fight and everyone was lax in their responsibilities. No one knows either way, for certain.
in EVERY fight BEFORE mosley got caught using steroids, it is safe and correct to assume that he was cheating. you don't sound very educated....
Hey guy, Mosley cheated before in the past and was fighting Margarito with his career at stake. His body looked incredible for the fight. There's no doubt in my mind he was juiced up for it. Take a look at his body and his face bloat. Also look at how GBP moved the fight from Vegas to California where the testing is less lenient.
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Quote Originally Posted by gridironguy:
in EVERY fight BEFORE mosley got caught using steroids, it is safe and correct to assume that he was cheating. you don't sound very educated....
Hey guy, Mosley cheated before in the past and was fighting Margarito with his career at stake. His body looked incredible for the fight. There's no doubt in my mind he was juiced up for it. Take a look at his body and his face bloat. Also look at how GBP moved the fight from Vegas to California where the testing is less lenient.
Hey guy, Mosley cheated before in the past and was fighting Margarito with his career at stake. His body looked incredible for the fight. There's no doubt in my mind he was juiced up for it. Take a look at his body and his face bloat. Also look at how GBP moved the fight from Vegas to California where the testing is less lenient.
I dont' know about all that, but I do know that Mosley had 100X the energy and vigor against Margarito than he had against Mayweather, that's for sure. Mosley had zero in the tank past the third round against Floyd and it wasn't because he was working hard or getting caught with shots.
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Quote Originally Posted by Jerseyboy89:
Hey guy, Mosley cheated before in the past and was fighting Margarito with his career at stake. His body looked incredible for the fight. There's no doubt in my mind he was juiced up for it. Take a look at his body and his face bloat. Also look at how GBP moved the fight from Vegas to California where the testing is less lenient.
I dont' know about all that, but I do know that Mosley had 100X the energy and vigor against Margarito than he had against Mayweather, that's for sure. Mosley had zero in the tank past the third round against Floyd and it wasn't because he was working hard or getting caught with shots.
You can't assume that Margarito was using the wraps before the Mosley fight. The hands are checked by a commission rep and a rep from the opposing corner. Maybe he did have the loaded wraps for the Cotto fight and everyone was lax in their responsibilities. No one knows either way, for certain.
the commission reps are pretty lousy it seems because it was a rep from Mosley's corner who actually caught the wraps against marga-cheato. if memory serves, the same Mosley rep that night has caught altered handwraps at least one time before in a fight, i believe it was against tito trinidad when the rep was in tito's opponent's corner many yrs ago
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Quote Originally Posted by DannoDanger:
You can't assume that Margarito was using the wraps before the Mosley fight. The hands are checked by a commission rep and a rep from the opposing corner. Maybe he did have the loaded wraps for the Cotto fight and everyone was lax in their responsibilities. No one knows either way, for certain.
the commission reps are pretty lousy it seems because it was a rep from Mosley's corner who actually caught the wraps against marga-cheato. if memory serves, the same Mosley rep that night has caught altered handwraps at least one time before in a fight, i believe it was against tito trinidad when the rep was in tito's opponent's corner many yrs ago
but I do know that Mosley had 100X the energy and vigor against Margarito than he had against Mayweather, that's for sure. Mosley had zero in the tank past the third round against Floyd and it wasn't because he was working hard or getting caught with shots.
Maybe it wasn't his tank and just accountability of styles? When your having little to no success, output wanes. e.g. paz.jones
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Quote Originally Posted by walktheline:
but I do know that Mosley had 100X the energy and vigor against Margarito than he had against Mayweather, that's for sure. Mosley had zero in the tank past the third round against Floyd and it wasn't because he was working hard or getting caught with shots.
Maybe it wasn't his tank and just accountability of styles? When your having little to no success, output wanes. e.g. paz.jones
watch 60 mins tonight on CBS. maybe some of you bitches slash degenerate bettors will learn something you did not know about the pac-man. they can slant it negatively if they want, but i have been watching this cat fight for the last 9 yrs and i can tell you that he will be just fine come sat night
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watch 60 mins tonight on CBS. maybe some of you bitches slash degenerate bettors will learn something you did not know about the pac-man. they can slant it negatively if they want, but i have been watching this cat fight for the last 9 yrs and i can tell you that he will be just fine come sat night
if anyone watched the 60 mins special tonight, you heard the narrator say, "manny has always had things going on but continued going forward, so why would now be any different?". any responses to this question?
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if anyone watched the 60 mins special tonight, you heard the narrator say, "manny has always had things going on but continued going forward, so why would now be any different?". any responses to this question?
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