Pacman landed more punches 176/578 to Marquez 138/435. Pacman landed more power punches 117 to Marquez 100. Pacman was the aggressor throughout the fight and most of the rounds are close which, give the aggressor the edge.
Majority in the crowd are Marquez fans and every punches than that misses or blocked got a cheer from the crowd. Thats why people thinks Marquez won that fight.
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Pacman landed more punches 176/578 to Marquez 138/435. Pacman landed more power punches 117 to Marquez 100. Pacman was the aggressor throughout the fight and most of the rounds are close which, give the aggressor the edge.
Majority in the crowd are Marquez fans and every punches than that misses or blocked got a cheer from the crowd. Thats why people thinks Marquez won that fight.
Pacman landed more punches 176/578 to Marquez 138/435. Pacman landed more power punches 117 to Marquez 100. Pacman was the aggressor throughout the fight and most of the rounds are close which, give the aggressor the edge.
Majority in the crowd are Marquez fans and every punches than that misses or blocked got a cheer from the crowd. Thats why people thinks Marquez won that fight.
Compubox is notoriously flawed. Those stats are bullshit. Your theory of the "crowd pops" is also flawed.
Let me explain something that you aren't aware of..
When a fighter executes his game plan and fights HIS fight, that fighter is winning. When a fighter lands the bigger, cleaner shots, that fighter is winning. When the crowd boos the opponent loudly when you lose, you won the fight. When everyone in the general public feels you won the fight, you won the fight.
Marquez won the fight.
Quote Originally Posted by edmanz:
Pacman landed more punches 176/578 to Marquez 138/435. Pacman landed more power punches 117 to Marquez 100. Pacman was the aggressor throughout the fight and most of the rounds are close which, give the aggressor the edge.
Majority in the crowd are Marquez fans and every punches than that misses or blocked got a cheer from the crowd. Thats why people thinks Marquez won that fight.
Compubox is notoriously flawed. Those stats are bullshit. Your theory of the "crowd pops" is also flawed.
Let me explain something that you aren't aware of..
When a fighter executes his game plan and fights HIS fight, that fighter is winning. When a fighter lands the bigger, cleaner shots, that fighter is winning. When the crowd boos the opponent loudly when you lose, you won the fight. When everyone in the general public feels you won the fight, you won the fight.
Compubox is notoriously flawed. Those stats are bullshit. Your theory of the "crowd pops" is also flawed.
Let me explain something that you aren't aware of..
When a fighter executes his game plan and fights HIS fight, that fighter is winning. When a fighter lands the bigger, cleaner shots, that fighter is winning. When the crowd boos the opponent loudly when you lose, you won the fight. When everyone in the general public feels you won the fight, you won the fight.
Marquez won the fight.
Public viewers just see one angle of the fight, thats why there are three judges to see all the angles of the fight to decide who won the fight.
Quote Originally Posted by walktheline:
Compubox is notoriously flawed. Those stats are bullshit. Your theory of the "crowd pops" is also flawed.
Let me explain something that you aren't aware of..
When a fighter executes his game plan and fights HIS fight, that fighter is winning. When a fighter lands the bigger, cleaner shots, that fighter is winning. When the crowd boos the opponent loudly when you lose, you won the fight. When everyone in the general public feels you won the fight, you won the fight.
Marquez won the fight.
Public viewers just see one angle of the fight, thats why there are three judges to see all the angles of the fight to decide who won the fight.
This fight was a classic fight in which no one expected the underdog to compete much and when they were faced with the possibility of Pacquiao loosing, they had to figure out a way to give him the fight. Marquez may have been going back for most of the night, but he still fought his fight. This was his plan. Counter-punch the hell out of Pacquiao, which is why he should have gotten the decision. Also, compubox stats do not tell the whole story. Watch the fight, score the fight without any bias and you will see that Marquez clearly won the fight. Before the fight, I thought there is absolutely no way that Marquez can win a decision, but through the fight, I thought, there is no way they can rob him off this decision, and they did anyway. Awfully hard to win a decision when the next fight that is looming can break all the records in boxing money wise. Boxing is like any other sport, except it is more blatant about getting things done.
All about the chase
This fight was a classic fight in which no one expected the underdog to compete much and when they were faced with the possibility of Pacquiao loosing, they had to figure out a way to give him the fight. Marquez may have been going back for most of the night, but he still fought his fight. This was his plan. Counter-punch the hell out of Pacquiao, which is why he should have gotten the decision. Also, compubox stats do not tell the whole story. Watch the fight, score the fight without any bias and you will see that Marquez clearly won the fight. Before the fight, I thought there is absolutely no way that Marquez can win a decision, but through the fight, I thought, there is no way they can rob him off this decision, and they did anyway. Awfully hard to win a decision when the next fight that is looming can break all the records in boxing money wise. Boxing is like any other sport, except it is more blatant about getting things done.
This fight was a classic fight in which no one expected the underdog to compete much and when they were faced with the possibility of Pacquiao loosing, they had to figure out a way to give him the fight. Marquez may have been going back for most of the night, but he still fought his fight. This was his plan. Counter-punch the hell out of Pacquiao, which is why he should have gotten the decision. Also, compubox stats do not tell the whole story. Watch the fight, score the fight without any bias and you will see that Marquez clearly won the fight. Before the fight, I thought there is absolutely no way that Marquez can win a decision, but through the fight, I thought, there is no way they can rob him off this decision, and they did anyway. Awfully hard to win a decision when the next fight that is looming can break all the records in boxing money wise. Boxing is like any other sport, except it is more blatant about getting things done.
You and everybody else including the judges are looking at one angle of the fight only. It's so tricky, because what you can see is only in front of you, but you can't see the other side because it's block by the boxers, you don't see if he also connected, The reason why there are three judges, so that they can see all the angles of the fight and decide the outcome. Compubox has all the angles of the fight.
Quote Originally Posted by jaime2309:
This fight was a classic fight in which no one expected the underdog to compete much and when they were faced with the possibility of Pacquiao loosing, they had to figure out a way to give him the fight. Marquez may have been going back for most of the night, but he still fought his fight. This was his plan. Counter-punch the hell out of Pacquiao, which is why he should have gotten the decision. Also, compubox stats do not tell the whole story. Watch the fight, score the fight without any bias and you will see that Marquez clearly won the fight. Before the fight, I thought there is absolutely no way that Marquez can win a decision, but through the fight, I thought, there is no way they can rob him off this decision, and they did anyway. Awfully hard to win a decision when the next fight that is looming can break all the records in boxing money wise. Boxing is like any other sport, except it is more blatant about getting things done.
You and everybody else including the judges are looking at one angle of the fight only. It's so tricky, because what you can see is only in front of you, but you can't see the other side because it's block by the boxers, you don't see if he also connected, The reason why there are three judges, so that they can see all the angles of the fight and decide the outcome. Compubox has all the angles of the fight.
Public viewers just see one angle of the fight, thats why there are three judges to see all the angles of the fight to decide who won the fight.
Do you have any idea how dumb you sound? The judges literally see one angle. Viewers have about 20. Also, please don't imply I don't know how to score a fight. It's pure ignorance, much like your view on Compubox.
Quote Originally Posted by edmanz:
Public viewers just see one angle of the fight, thats why there are three judges to see all the angles of the fight to decide who won the fight.
Do you have any idea how dumb you sound? The judges literally see one angle. Viewers have about 20. Also, please don't imply I don't know how to score a fight. It's pure ignorance, much like your view on Compubox.
Compubox is notoriously flawed. Those stats are bullshit. Your theory of the "crowd pops" is also flawed.
Let me explain something that you aren't aware of..
When a fighter executes his game plan and fights HIS fight, that fighter is winning. When a fighter lands the bigger, cleaner shots, that fighter is winning. When the crowd boos the opponent loudly when you lose, you won the fight. When everyone in the general public feels you won the fight, you won the fight.
Marquez won the fight.
you are an experienced boxing handicapper.
and as an experienced boxing handicapper, you should know that any close decision fight preceeding a huge money fight(Pac/PBF) will always go where the money is.
manny is money.
jmm is not.
this fight was nowhere near as flagrant as sturm/DLH.
not even fucking close.
Quote Originally Posted by walktheline:
Compubox is notoriously flawed. Those stats are bullshit. Your theory of the "crowd pops" is also flawed.
Let me explain something that you aren't aware of..
When a fighter executes his game plan and fights HIS fight, that fighter is winning. When a fighter lands the bigger, cleaner shots, that fighter is winning. When the crowd boos the opponent loudly when you lose, you won the fight. When everyone in the general public feels you won the fight, you won the fight.
Marquez won the fight.
you are an experienced boxing handicapper.
and as an experienced boxing handicapper, you should know that any close decision fight preceeding a huge money fight(Pac/PBF) will always go where the money is.
manny is money.
jmm is not.
this fight was nowhere near as flagrant as sturm/DLH.
and as an experienced boxing handicapper, you should know that any close decision fight preceeding a huge money fight(Pac/PBF) will always go where the money is.
manny is money.
jmm is not.
this fight was nowhere near as flagrant as sturm/DLH.
not even fucking close.
That's exactly what I said in another thread. It's on par with that fight, but maybe not as flagrant considering that the Hopkins fight was literally signed at that point I believe. If it wasn't signed, it was all but completed.
Quote Originally Posted by Qncyk1:
you are an experienced boxing handicapper.
and as an experienced boxing handicapper, you should know that any close decision fight preceeding a huge money fight(Pac/PBF) will always go where the money is.
manny is money.
jmm is not.
this fight was nowhere near as flagrant as sturm/DLH.
not even fucking close.
That's exactly what I said in another thread. It's on par with that fight, but maybe not as flagrant considering that the Hopkins fight was literally signed at that point I believe. If it wasn't signed, it was all but completed.
Do you have any idea how dumb you sound? The judges literally see one angle. Viewers have about 20. Also, please don't imply I don't know how to score a fight. It's pure ignorance, much like your view on Compubox.
If the judges sit together, they are seeing one angle. If not they are seeing different angles. Compubox is more accurate than your naked eye. What more if you're 30 meters away from the ring.
Quote Originally Posted by walktheline:
Do you have any idea how dumb you sound? The judges literally see one angle. Viewers have about 20. Also, please don't imply I don't know how to score a fight. It's pure ignorance, much like your view on Compubox.
If the judges sit together, they are seeing one angle. If not they are seeing different angles. Compubox is more accurate than your naked eye. What more if you're 30 meters away from the ring.
If the judges sit together, they are seeing one angle. If not they are seeing different angles. Compubox is more accurate than your naked eye. What more if you're 30 meters away from the ring.
I was about 30 meters or so from the ring and am here to tell you Marquez won 10 rds. Also I had a brief encounter with Arum at The Wynn last night and he definitely seemed rattled and subdued about the way it turned out.
Quote Originally Posted by edmanz:
If the judges sit together, they are seeing one angle. If not they are seeing different angles. Compubox is more accurate than your naked eye. What more if you're 30 meters away from the ring.
I was about 30 meters or so from the ring and am here to tell you Marquez won 10 rds. Also I had a brief encounter with Arum at The Wynn last night and he definitely seemed rattled and subdued about the way it turned out.
Roach and Pacquiao both acted like they lost until the decision was read. Roach told Pacquiao to knock him out and put him on his ass different times during the fight.
Can't always go by stats because fights are judged on a round by round basis. You score the round and not who u think landed the most punches in the whole fight.
Roach and Pacquiao both acted like they lost until the decision was read. Roach told Pacquiao to knock him out and put him on his ass different times during the fight.
Can't always go by stats because fights are judged on a round by round basis. You score the round and not who u think landed the most punches in the whole fight.
PacMan deserves to WIN that fight although it wasn't convincing. PLEASE review your DVR and look @ Marquez stepping on PacMan's foot not once, not twice but several times. REVIEW AND WATCH CLOSELY.
PacMan deserves to WIN that fight although it wasn't convincing. PLEASE review your DVR and look @ Marquez stepping on PacMan's foot not once, not twice but several times. REVIEW AND WATCH CLOSELY.
Compubox is notoriously flawed. Those stats are bullshit. Your theory of the "crowd pops" is also flawed.
Let me explain something that you aren't aware of..
When a fighter executes his game plan and fights HIS fight, that fighter is winning. When a fighter lands the bigger, cleaner shots, that fighter is winning. When the crowd boos the opponent loudly when you lose, you won the fight. When everyone in the general public feels you won the fight, you won the fight.
Marquez won the fight.
I've never heard anything more broad than what you just said. If a fighter executes his game plan, then he wins the fight? Isn't that a given since the objective is to train for a fight and win? Of course, a fighter has to have a game plan entering the fight and he is obviously going to pursue it. I never knew "booing" was such an important statistic among fighting competitions. I guess fighters can lose even before they lose the fight! If "everyone in the general public feels like you won the fight, you won the fight".... what? What does that even mean? "Everyone" and "general" is pretty contradicting, don't you think?
So here's what I understood from your post....If I like a fighter (will cheer for him to win and watch with a bias) and he executes his game plan, despite getting beat in the box score, he won the fight!
Quote Originally Posted by walktheline:
Compubox is notoriously flawed. Those stats are bullshit. Your theory of the "crowd pops" is also flawed.
Let me explain something that you aren't aware of..
When a fighter executes his game plan and fights HIS fight, that fighter is winning. When a fighter lands the bigger, cleaner shots, that fighter is winning. When the crowd boos the opponent loudly when you lose, you won the fight. When everyone in the general public feels you won the fight, you won the fight.
Marquez won the fight.
I've never heard anything more broad than what you just said. If a fighter executes his game plan, then he wins the fight? Isn't that a given since the objective is to train for a fight and win? Of course, a fighter has to have a game plan entering the fight and he is obviously going to pursue it. I never knew "booing" was such an important statistic among fighting competitions. I guess fighters can lose even before they lose the fight! If "everyone in the general public feels like you won the fight, you won the fight".... what? What does that even mean? "Everyone" and "general" is pretty contradicting, don't you think?
So here's what I understood from your post....If I like a fighter (will cheer for him to win and watch with a bias) and he executes his game plan, despite getting beat in the box score, he won the fight!
I've never heard anything more broad than what you just said. If a fighter executes his game plan, then he wins the fight? Isn't that a given since the objective is to train for a fight and win? Of course, a fighter has to have a game plan entering the fight and he is obviously going to pursue it. I never knew "booing" was such an important statistic among fighting competitions. I guess fighters can lose even before they lose the fight! If "everyone in the general public feels like you won the fight, you won the fight".... what? What does that even mean? "Everyone" and "general" is pretty contradicting, don't you think?
So here's what I understood from your post....If I like a fighter (will cheer for him to win and watch with a bias) and he executes his game plan, despite getting beat in the box score, he won the fight!
Not contradicting at all. Booing a statistic? Not hardly, but it an obvious way to get a consensus opinion on the fight. You're talking in circles..
Getting beat in the box score? Are you talking about the subjective scoring or the subjective "punch stats?" How hard is it to understand that JMM landed the cleaner, harder shots and dictated the fight to Pacquiao far more often than not?
Listen to these folks, they're wrong too....
Quote Originally Posted by MrWonderful:
I've never heard anything more broad than what you just said. If a fighter executes his game plan, then he wins the fight? Isn't that a given since the objective is to train for a fight and win? Of course, a fighter has to have a game plan entering the fight and he is obviously going to pursue it. I never knew "booing" was such an important statistic among fighting competitions. I guess fighters can lose even before they lose the fight! If "everyone in the general public feels like you won the fight, you won the fight".... what? What does that even mean? "Everyone" and "general" is pretty contradicting, don't you think?
So here's what I understood from your post....If I like a fighter (will cheer for him to win and watch with a bias) and he executes his game plan, despite getting beat in the box score, he won the fight!
Not contradicting at all. Booing a statistic? Not hardly, but it an obvious way to get a consensus opinion on the fight. You're talking in circles..
Getting beat in the box score? Are you talking about the subjective scoring or the subjective "punch stats?" How hard is it to understand that JMM landed the cleaner, harder shots and dictated the fight to Pacquiao far more often than not?
andreward Andre S.O.G. Ward Marquez won this fight, period!!
jeanpascalchamp Jean Pascal On my card Marquez WON!!!!
AmirKingKhan Amir Khan Look mayb a good draw or marquez by 1-2 rounds.
PaulMalignaggi Paulie Malignaggi Dont ask me about the fight I will not give you my opinion except that I thought Marquez won #tk!
AndreBerto Andre Berto Smh WOW..... Come on u know Top Rank wasn't* gonna let Marquez **** the money up!!! Great fight though
RealJoeCalzaghe Joe Calzaghe Just watched Marquez v Pacman and have to say thought Marquez was robbed! Thought he won the first 2 fights also!
ChrisArreola Chris Arreola Marquez won, true champ. Let's see Mayweather-Pacquiao. ****.
DarrenBarker82 Darren barker Just watched the fight Jmm won that in my eyes clearly!
andredirrell Andre Dirrell I really think so! But its so hard 2 sayRT @serhandayi7: @andredirrell JMM had a great night.....he'll always be a style problem for Pac
jcchavezjr1 Julio Cesar Chavez Gano marquez hoy. Fue un robo juan manuel gano claramente. esto esto es malo para el boxeo. Saludo a todos [Translation: Marquez won today. It was a robbery, Juan Manuel won clearly. This is bad for boxing.]
SUGARRAYLEONARD Sugar Ray Leonard The fight against Manny vs Marquez surprised everyone except Marquez! What a display of mental, spiritual and physical training of a boxer!
_FernandoVargas FerozFernandoVargas MARQUEZ 8 - 4!!!!!! THEY BETTER NOT ROB MARQUEZ!!!!
THEREALBHOP BERNARD HOPKINS EX @FloydMayweather blow thru @MannyPacquiao easy!!
TheArtistPerez Michael Angelo Perez If I was #Marquez I'll be holding my head high , cause the whole world know he won. **** what the judges say.
1Babybull Juan Diaz Great fight for the boxung fans but bad decision by the judges
ChinoMaidana Marcos Maidana Pobre Márquez lo robaron! [Translation: Poor Marquez, they robbed him!]
Marvin Hagler "Disgusting result! #ROBBERY!"
OscarDeLaHoya "I'm still sitting on my couch in disbelief. Paquiao cannot compete with a counter puncher like Marquez. Juan has the Patience to wait and capitalize on mistakes. I think this shows how superior mayweather is."
Andre Dirrell "Ok after this fight, I don't know what 2 think! Did JMM just have a good night, or did Pacman put on a great possum show 2 get MW! U TELL ME. GO GET YO GLOVES ON AND COME WHOOP THIS DUDE!!!! PACMAN CAN'T SEE YOU!!!"
Steve Cunningham "All pro fighters I know ,guys which know what to look 4 in a fight had jmm winning. It's not just entertainment to us its a #lifestyle#"
Anthonydirrell "If y'all think that they was bout to lose out on 150 million y'all crazy"
Matthew Macklin "It was close but still wrong...and for it to happen THREE times!!!!!?? WTF!!!"
Terry Norris "Wow! Thought PAC man would win. But clearly Marquez was robbed again. PAC did NOT win this fight."
Omar Henry "Wow I just watched Pacquiao get beat and Marquez get robbed!!!! and yes I was one of the people in the crowd booing the robbery!!!!"
Rashad Holloway "I'm team Pacquiao all day but Marquez won this fight hands down. Sad to see how politics run this sport when fighters work so hard."
Anthony Mundine "I luv PAC too...but he lost fair & square...but I'm sure he will return stronger...PAC v Marquez 4 #bringit. Actually I change my mind! Marquez deserves the pay day v money!! As he was really the victor! Don't think I wanna see 4. Even tho money."
Erik Morales "Nos robaroooon y feo. Marquez total reconocimiento es el segundo mexicano que le pone en su madre a pacquiao, gano y gano muy bien felicidadees!" Which translates to English as "They robbed us and it was an ugly robbery too. To Marquez total recognition, he is the second Mexican to beat the sh!t out of Pacquiao, he won and he won nicely. Congratulations!"
Kendall Holt "If u thought Pacman won or if Marquez needed the 12th to win its clear u don't know ish about this sport."
Peter Manfredo Jr. "Wow, after watching this, I better not leave it to the judges next week!!!"
ElKoChul Fernando Montiel M Q pinche robooooooo. Gano markez y c la kitaron d new. Shialeeeee !!! [translation: What a ****ing robbery. Marquez won]
realdealgeale Daniel Geale I thought the decision was close but in my opinion it should have gone the other way.
K9boxing Cornelius Bundrage Just got back in town was at the PacMan fight. Marquez got Robbed. I will Destroy PacMan. I been knew it y'all just didn't know.
Champfasteddie Eddie Chambers The Pacman vs Marquez fight could of went anyway... So I was expecting pacquiao to get the decision...
SUPERJUDAH ZAB JUDAH 5x Champ! Robbery!!!!
andreward Andre S.O.G. Ward Marquez won this fight, period!!
jeanpascalchamp Jean Pascal On my card Marquez WON!!!!
AmirKingKhan Amir Khan Look mayb a good draw or marquez by 1-2 rounds.
PaulMalignaggi Paulie Malignaggi Dont ask me about the fight I will not give you my opinion except that I thought Marquez won #tk!
AndreBerto Andre Berto Smh WOW..... Come on u know Top Rank wasn't* gonna let Marquez **** the money up!!! Great fight though
RealJoeCalzaghe Joe Calzaghe Just watched Marquez v Pacman and have to say thought Marquez was robbed! Thought he won the first 2 fights also!
ChrisArreola Chris Arreola Marquez won, true champ. Let's see Mayweather-Pacquiao. ****.
DarrenBarker82 Darren barker Just watched the fight Jmm won that in my eyes clearly!
andredirrell Andre Dirrell I really think so! But its so hard 2 sayRT @serhandayi7: @andredirrell JMM had a great night.....he'll always be a style problem for Pac
jcchavezjr1 Julio Cesar Chavez Gano marquez hoy. Fue un robo juan manuel gano claramente. esto esto es malo para el boxeo. Saludo a todos [Translation: Marquez won today. It was a robbery, Juan Manuel won clearly. This is bad for boxing.]
SUGARRAYLEONARD Sugar Ray Leonard The fight against Manny vs Marquez surprised everyone except Marquez! What a display of mental, spiritual and physical training of a boxer!
_FernandoVargas FerozFernandoVargas MARQUEZ 8 - 4!!!!!! THEY BETTER NOT ROB MARQUEZ!!!!
THEREALBHOP BERNARD HOPKINS EX @FloydMayweather blow thru @MannyPacquiao easy!!
TheArtistPerez Michael Angelo Perez If I was #Marquez I'll be holding my head high , cause the whole world know he won. **** what the judges say.
1Babybull Juan Diaz Great fight for the boxung fans but bad decision by the judges
ChinoMaidana Marcos Maidana Pobre Márquez lo robaron! [Translation: Poor Marquez, they robbed him!]
Marvin Hagler "Disgusting result! #ROBBERY!"
OscarDeLaHoya "I'm still sitting on my couch in disbelief. Paquiao cannot compete with a counter puncher like Marquez. Juan has the Patience to wait and capitalize on mistakes. I think this shows how superior mayweather is."
Andre Dirrell "Ok after this fight, I don't know what 2 think! Did JMM just have a good night, or did Pacman put on a great possum show 2 get MW! U TELL ME. GO GET YO GLOVES ON AND COME WHOOP THIS DUDE!!!! PACMAN CAN'T SEE YOU!!!"
Steve Cunningham "All pro fighters I know ,guys which know what to look 4 in a fight had jmm winning. It's not just entertainment to us its a #lifestyle#"
Anthonydirrell "If y'all think that they was bout to lose out on 150 million y'all crazy"
Matthew Macklin "It was close but still wrong...and for it to happen THREE times!!!!!?? WTF!!!"
Terry Norris "Wow! Thought PAC man would win. But clearly Marquez was robbed again. PAC did NOT win this fight."
Omar Henry "Wow I just watched Pacquiao get beat and Marquez get robbed!!!! and yes I was one of the people in the crowd booing the robbery!!!!"
Rashad Holloway "I'm team Pacquiao all day but Marquez won this fight hands down. Sad to see how politics run this sport when fighters work so hard."
Anthony Mundine "I luv PAC too...but he lost fair & square...but I'm sure he will return stronger...PAC v Marquez 4 #bringit. Actually I change my mind! Marquez deserves the pay day v money!! As he was really the victor! Don't think I wanna see 4. Even tho money."
Erik Morales "Nos robaroooon y feo. Marquez total reconocimiento es el segundo mexicano que le pone en su madre a pacquiao, gano y gano muy bien felicidadees!" Which translates to English as "They robbed us and it was an ugly robbery too. To Marquez total recognition, he is the second Mexican to beat the sh!t out of Pacquiao, he won and he won nicely. Congratulations!"
Kendall Holt "If u thought Pacman won or if Marquez needed the 12th to win its clear u don't know ish about this sport."
Peter Manfredo Jr. "Wow, after watching this, I better not leave it to the judges next week!!!"
ElKoChul Fernando Montiel M Q pinche robooooooo. Gano markez y c la kitaron d new. Shialeeeee !!! [translation: What a ****ing robbery. Marquez won]
realdealgeale Daniel Geale I thought the decision was close but in my opinion it should have gone the other way.
K9boxing Cornelius Bundrage Just got back in town was at the PacMan fight. Marquez got Robbed. I will Destroy PacMan. I been knew it y'all just didn't know.
Champfasteddie Eddie Chambers The Pacman vs Marquez fight could of went anyway... So I was expecting pacquiao to get the decision...
PacMan deserves to WIN that fight although it wasn't convincing. PLEASE review your DVR and look @ Marquez stepping on PacMan's foot not once, not twice but several times. REVIEW AND WATCH CLOSELY.
It's a southpaw and a orthodox. It happens sometimes
So was Manny. If it was such a big deal Roach or Pac would've said something in the PC
Quote Originally Posted by Copag07:
PacMan deserves to WIN that fight although it wasn't convincing. PLEASE review your DVR and look @ Marquez stepping on PacMan's foot not once, not twice but several times. REVIEW AND WATCH CLOSELY.
It's a southpaw and a orthodox. It happens sometimes
So was Manny. If it was such a big deal Roach or Pac would've said something in the PC
Compubox is notoriously flawed. Those stats are bullshit. Your theory of the "crowd pops" is also flawed.
Let me explain something that you aren't aware of..
When a fighter executes his game plan and fights HIS fight, that fighter is winning. When a fighter lands the bigger, cleaner shots, that fighter is winning. When the crowd boos the opponent loudly when you lose, you won the fight. When everyone in the general public feels you won the fight, you won the fight.
Marquez won the fight.
IF THE DECISION OF THE JUDGE IS YOU WON. YOU WON. NO MORE EXPLANATION
Quote Originally Posted by walktheline:
Compubox is notoriously flawed. Those stats are bullshit. Your theory of the "crowd pops" is also flawed.
Let me explain something that you aren't aware of..
When a fighter executes his game plan and fights HIS fight, that fighter is winning. When a fighter lands the bigger, cleaner shots, that fighter is winning. When the crowd boos the opponent loudly when you lose, you won the fight. When everyone in the general public feels you won the fight, you won the fight.
Marquez won the fight.
IF THE DECISION OF THE JUDGE IS YOU WON. YOU WON. NO MORE EXPLANATION
PacMan deserves to WIN that fight although it wasn't convincing. PLEASE review your DVR and look @ Marquez stepping on PacMan's foot not once, not twice but several times. REVIEW AND WATCH CLOSELY.
Maybe he had trained very hard to that. If so KARMA, don't deserve another rematch. Bring in Mayfeather.
Quote Originally Posted by Copag07:
PacMan deserves to WIN that fight although it wasn't convincing. PLEASE review your DVR and look @ Marquez stepping on PacMan's foot not once, not twice but several times. REVIEW AND WATCH CLOSELY.
Maybe he had trained very hard to that. If so KARMA, don't deserve another rematch. Bring in Mayfeather.
and as an experienced boxing handicapper, you should know that any close decision fight preceeding a huge money fight(Pac/PBF) will always go where the money is.
manny is money.
jmm is not.
this fight was nowhere near as flagrant as sturm/DLH.
not even fucking close.
100% = Finally I see what I've been saying for many years. I even posted Oscar losing to Sturm because it was contingent on a mega PPV with Hopkins. A thought in many people's minds is "Anyone who saw Oscar vs Sturm knows that Oscar lost and is no match for Hopkins." Thus is true for serious boxing fans but we are the minority. Mega PPV events are "mega" because you get the average person who doesn't follow boxing but watches the most hyped events (similar to NFL: How many people watch the Superbowl that watched more than one game not including MNF? More than 90%, same with Boxing, World Cup Final Game, Olympics, etc...). All the average person will hear after he orders a major event (boxing) was that a fighter (Oscar, we were using him) had a close controversial last fight... THE END! Golden Boy Promotions did a masterful job of taking over-the-hill well known publicly ex-champions and matching them against an equal opponent but hyping it as a long shot. Now people watch or hear about the upset (that was a 50/50), and now the past-prime fighter gets to fight a real prime champion and they hype it as an even fight because he is on a comeback. Then you order $59.99 or more fight that is a complete wipe-out and only serious boxing fans who watch under-cards and enjoy boxing despite a non-competitive fight that get any value from it. Regardless of people claiming boycott, it's irrelevant because the serious boxing fan is less than 1% of Mega PPV, as the recreational somewhat knowledgeable fan is less than 10%, and the rest are people who don't know what weight classes the fight is happening except if it was heavyweight. Unfortunately the bigger guys (that pound for pound or out skilled in every area even boxing IQ) get the big cash except for Manny's and Floyd's of boxing. Less than 1/10th of 1% get the Mega-Money, 1% get big money, 2% earn a living, and the rest starve. Unfortunately companies don't endorse boxing (even MMA get's more sponsors, but not for huge money) and many times if they did, often their is a conflict of interest (like a boxer endorsing beer or a substance that is negative to athletes). Also, most boxer's don't have longtime spotlight as the elite fighter, MMA fighters regardless of losses still remain popular.
Quote Originally Posted by Qncyk1:
you are an experienced boxing handicapper.
and as an experienced boxing handicapper, you should know that any close decision fight preceeding a huge money fight(Pac/PBF) will always go where the money is.
manny is money.
jmm is not.
this fight was nowhere near as flagrant as sturm/DLH.
not even fucking close.
100% = Finally I see what I've been saying for many years. I even posted Oscar losing to Sturm because it was contingent on a mega PPV with Hopkins. A thought in many people's minds is "Anyone who saw Oscar vs Sturm knows that Oscar lost and is no match for Hopkins." Thus is true for serious boxing fans but we are the minority. Mega PPV events are "mega" because you get the average person who doesn't follow boxing but watches the most hyped events (similar to NFL: How many people watch the Superbowl that watched more than one game not including MNF? More than 90%, same with Boxing, World Cup Final Game, Olympics, etc...). All the average person will hear after he orders a major event (boxing) was that a fighter (Oscar, we were using him) had a close controversial last fight... THE END! Golden Boy Promotions did a masterful job of taking over-the-hill well known publicly ex-champions and matching them against an equal opponent but hyping it as a long shot. Now people watch or hear about the upset (that was a 50/50), and now the past-prime fighter gets to fight a real prime champion and they hype it as an even fight because he is on a comeback. Then you order $59.99 or more fight that is a complete wipe-out and only serious boxing fans who watch under-cards and enjoy boxing despite a non-competitive fight that get any value from it. Regardless of people claiming boycott, it's irrelevant because the serious boxing fan is less than 1% of Mega PPV, as the recreational somewhat knowledgeable fan is less than 10%, and the rest are people who don't know what weight classes the fight is happening except if it was heavyweight. Unfortunately the bigger guys (that pound for pound or out skilled in every area even boxing IQ) get the big cash except for Manny's and Floyd's of boxing. Less than 1/10th of 1% get the Mega-Money, 1% get big money, 2% earn a living, and the rest starve. Unfortunately companies don't endorse boxing (even MMA get's more sponsors, but not for huge money) and many times if they did, often their is a conflict of interest (like a boxer endorsing beer or a substance that is negative to athletes). Also, most boxer's don't have longtime spotlight as the elite fighter, MMA fighters regardless of losses still remain popular.
Compubox is notoriously flawed. Those stats are bullshit. Your theory of the "crowd pops" is also flawed.
Let me explain something that you aren't aware of..
When a fighter executes his game plan and fights HIS fight, that fighter is winning. When a fighter lands the bigger, cleaner shots, that fighter is winning. When the crowd boos the opponent loudly when you lose, you won the fight. When everyone in the general public feels you won the fight, you won the fight.
Marquez won the fight.
Compubox is utter horseshit
Quote Originally Posted by walktheline:
Compubox is notoriously flawed. Those stats are bullshit. Your theory of the "crowd pops" is also flawed.
Let me explain something that you aren't aware of..
When a fighter executes his game plan and fights HIS fight, that fighter is winning. When a fighter lands the bigger, cleaner shots, that fighter is winning. When the crowd boos the opponent loudly when you lose, you won the fight. When everyone in the general public feels you won the fight, you won the fight.
It's a southpaw and a orthodox. It happens sometimes
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