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    Stats why judges give Pacman a majority win............

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    Posted: Nov. 26, 2011 - 2:07 PM ET #26

    jabbadon: Maybe this is true. It was very clear Marquez had a game plan not to trade punches and time Manny with one-two's and move. Manny at his very best would have only won a decision (as he did). Marquez proved he did adjust to the weight well enough to keep his speed and add just enough strength so he wasn't ran over. Boxing history has had many great fighters that always have difficulty with a particular fighter... Manny is no different. Marquez is one of the best ring technicians and the best at measuring punches so it is no surprise he gives anyone problems. Morales being a master of the ring dominated the once one handed bad footwork Manny before he developed.
    One good thing develops out of this... people think that because Marquez won, but Manny got decision that Floyd is an easy victory now. It won't have any effect on revenues. Also, Floyd knows Manny had problems with Marquez so it was no surprise. I already thought Floyd was an easy win over Manny before and this fight had ZERO effect on what I previously thought. It does nothing to increase my value for Floyd as he is far different from Marquez anyhow. All this post-fight did was put pressure on the Floyd camp to make it happen ASAP.
    Floyd has problems with Oscar although he won, making my assessment accurate that Floyd has problems fighting tall fighters (with decent speed and power), thus Floyd never fought Margarito, Williams, etc... guys even like Cotto which he would have easily won every round, but stayed away to get an easier bigger paying fight.
    Floyd is one of the greatest boxers ever, but his selection of opponents although profitable and low risk questions his confidence and true mentality regarding boxing. Like they say, to be the best you have to beat the best... Floyd is the best but fights B-level opponents (either past prime, outclassed, etc)... he takes no chance except maybe getting hit by lightning during a fight (lol). Being smart and protective is one thing, having the talent to really be considered the greatest all-time you have to consistently beat the top contenders (not over-hyped media fighters). It's like Superbowl champs once they won, they are able to choose to play teams with losing records, LOL!
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    jabbadon: Maybe this is true. It was very clear Marquez had a game plan not to trade punches and time Manny with one-two's and move. Manny at his very best would have only won a decision (as he did). Marquez proved he did adjust to the weight well enough to keep his speed and add just enough strength so he wasn't ran over. Boxing history has had many great fighters that always have difficulty with a particular fighter... Manny is no different. Marquez is one of the best ring technicians and the best at measuring punches so it is no surprise he gives anyone problems. Morales being a master of the ring dominated the once one handed bad footwork Manny before he developed.
    One good thing develops out of this... people think that because Marquez won, but Manny got decision that Floyd is an easy victory now. It won't have any effect on revenues. Also, Floyd knows Manny had problems with Marquez so it was no surprise. I already thought Floyd was an easy win over Manny before and this fight had ZERO effect on what I previously thought. It does nothing to increase my value for Floyd as he is far different from Marquez anyhow. All this post-fight did was put pressure on the Floyd camp to make it happen ASAP.
    Floyd has problems with Oscar although he won, making my assessment accurate that Floyd has problems fighting tall fighters (with decent speed and power), thus Floyd never fought Margarito, Williams, etc... guys even like Cotto which he would have easily won every round, but stayed away to get an easier bigger paying fight.
    Floyd is one of the greatest boxers ever, but his selection of opponents although profitable and low risk questions his confidence and true mentality regarding boxing. Like they say, to be the best you have to beat the best... Floyd is the best but fights B-level opponents (either past prime, outclassed, etc)... he takes no chance except maybe getting hit by lightning during a fight (lol). Being smart and protective is one thing, having the talent to really be considered the greatest all-time you have to consistently beat the top contenders (not over-hyped media fighters). It's like Superbowl champs once they won, they are able to choose to play teams with losing records, LOL!
     
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    Posted: Nov. 26, 2011 - 3:45 PM ET #27

    Marquez won take any angle you want but Marquez snapped Pacman's head back many times and pounded him to the body.


    Pacman looked lost when Marquez came with a different game plan.

    He fought the perfect fight for a 38 year old.

    All this did was raise the price of Floyd if they do fight.

    Opening should be about -240 for Floyd.

                                  
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    Marquez won take any angle you want but Marquez snapped Pacman's head back many times and pounded him to the body.


    Pacman looked lost when Marquez came with a different game plan.

    He fought the perfect fight for a 38 year old.

    All this did was raise the price of Floyd if they do fight.

    Opening should be about -240 for Floyd.

                                  
     
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    Posted: Dec. 3, 2011 - 7:44 PM ET #28

    Money will box his ears off
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    Posted: Dec. 3, 2011 - 11:46 PM ET #29

    Quote Originally Posted by walktheline:


    Compubox is notoriously flawed. Those stats are bullshit. Your theory of the "crowd pops" is also flawed. 

    Let me explain something that you aren't aware of..

    When a fighter executes his game plan and fights HIS fight, that fighter is winning. When a fighter lands the bigger, cleaner shots, that fighter is winning. When the crowd boos the opponent loudly when you lose, you won the fight. When everyone in the general public feels you won the fight, you won the fight. 

    Marquez won the fight. 

    i respect u and you know wayyyyy more about boxing that i do but your statement is flawed.  Even when a fighter executes his plan and fights his fight, sometimes he can be outclassed and can be losing (im not saying pac won this fight, i didnt even watch the fight) im saying that statement in general is false, it goes with every sport.. i know mma and nba really well and it applies for that, some teams or fighters just get outclassed and they can fight/play their style of fight and execute it but sometimes its just not good enough because their opponent is just that good. Like lets say the Celtics play their game, do their gameplan by limiting the heat under 85 points and keep LBJ under 20 pts, they execute that but can still lose if the heat just outclass them (for example their bench scores more or bosh goes off and their D limits celtics to 75 points and heat win by 2....  Or in MMA a guy can execute his gameplan(keep the fight on his feet, not get taken down) and use leg kicks and so on, but he gets caught with a lucky shot and even though he won all the rounds he got caught with a lucky punch and gets KOed ..   OR what if both boxers both executed their gameplans but one guy is just much better than the other? isnt that possible in boxing??    My MMA, and nba are just examples and maybe im misinterpreting what u wanted to say  or maybe boxing doesnt apply to what im saying. Im not a huge boxing buff, just a casual fan...

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    Quote Originally Posted by walktheline:


    Compubox is notoriously flawed. Those stats are bullshit. Your theory of the "crowd pops" is also flawed. 

    Let me explain something that you aren't aware of..

    When a fighter executes his game plan and fights HIS fight, that fighter is winning. When a fighter lands the bigger, cleaner shots, that fighter is winning. When the crowd boos the opponent loudly when you lose, you won the fight. When everyone in the general public feels you won the fight, you won the fight. 

    Marquez won the fight. 

    i respect u and you know wayyyyy more about boxing that i do but your statement is flawed.  Even when a fighter executes his plan and fights his fight, sometimes he can be outclassed and can be losing (im not saying pac won this fight, i didnt even watch the fight) im saying that statement in general is false, it goes with every sport.. i know mma and nba really well and it applies for that, some teams or fighters just get outclassed and they can fight/play their style of fight and execute it but sometimes its just not good enough because their opponent is just that good. Like lets say the Celtics play their game, do their gameplan by limiting the heat under 85 points and keep LBJ under 20 pts, they execute that but can still lose if the heat just outclass them (for example their bench scores more or bosh goes off and their D limits celtics to 75 points and heat win by 2....  Or in MMA a guy can execute his gameplan(keep the fight on his feet, not get taken down) and use leg kicks and so on, but he gets caught with a lucky shot and even though he won all the rounds he got caught with a lucky punch and gets KOed ..   OR what if both boxers both executed their gameplans but one guy is just much better than the other? isnt that possible in boxing??    My MMA, and nba are just examples and maybe im misinterpreting what u wanted to say  or maybe boxing doesnt apply to what im saying. Im not a huge boxing buff, just a casual fan...

     
     
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