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    Posted: May. 25, 2010 - 12:55 PM ET #26

    Quote Originally Posted by Mack05:

    A mate of mine just posted this "If Mayweather now rejects the 14 day cut off, I don't think it's an indication of his fear of Pacquiao (far from it). Instead, it just confirms what we’ve all believed from the very beginning – this cleaning up the sport parade is one pathetic front, to get a distracted Manny Pacquiao in to the ring. Floyd’s a competitor more than anything else, and he will pull almost any trick in the book to get a competitive advantage (be it physical or mental) going in to a fight"

    Interesting take

    Mack 05,

    We had a similiar discussion earlier in the year...... Mayweather is about the MONEY. He will use any and all "tactics" to gain an advantage (ie. All's fair in love and war). Naazim R. pointed this tactic out in 24/7 episode #3...."he wins the battle before the fight......everyone should have been aware of this after watching DLH vs PF (24/7) when acted a complete fool.....after that everyone should have been hip to his tactics". PF wants the fight, he wants the MONEY and he wants the attention(FAME). He could fight Martinez, he could fight Cotto and make sizeable profits but he wants the big prize and that is the fight with PAC-MAN.

    PF and his team are playing "shoot and volley" and we as fans are fuelling the frenzy......as we blog and/or twitter..... we are fuelling the fire and causing the estimated pay-off to increase for both fighters......if PF can make 22.5 million base from the SSM fight what do you think the base profit will be if he fights PAC-MAN???/

    PF could make 20 million base off of Cotto and probably 15 million base off of Martinez but PAC-MAN is probably closer to 40 million base (w/o PPV) but the window of opportunity is closing

    PAC-Man will be moving  to a new chapter in his life and boxing is going to take a back seat (it should because his country needs him to be focused and he probably  has aspiration to be president some day). So the window and the HUGE PAY DAY opportunity are closing for both fighters.

    PF has 3 maybe 4 four more huge pay days and then he will fade but I think tragically PF's life and life style will ultimately be his undoing (ie.  LIFE and TIMES of 2Pac are examples that coming to mind) But as an African American, I hope and pray that he can escape his own demons......but I wonder!!!!!!!!

    TEAM MAYWEATHER and TEAM PAC-MAN are media giants......don't underestimate them

     

    just my opinion

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mack05:

    A mate of mine just posted this "If Mayweather now rejects the 14 day cut off, I don't think it's an indication of his fear of Pacquiao (far from it). Instead, it just confirms what we’ve all believed from the very beginning – this cleaning up the sport parade is one pathetic front, to get a distracted Manny Pacquiao in to the ring. Floyd’s a competitor more than anything else, and he will pull almost any trick in the book to get a competitive advantage (be it physical or mental) going in to a fight"

    Interesting take

    Mack 05,

    We had a similiar discussion earlier in the year...... Mayweather is about the MONEY. He will use any and all "tactics" to gain an advantage (ie. All's fair in love and war). Naazim R. pointed this tactic out in 24/7 episode #3...."he wins the battle before the fight......everyone should have been aware of this after watching DLH vs PF (24/7) when acted a complete fool.....after that everyone should have been hip to his tactics". PF wants the fight, he wants the MONEY and he wants the attention(FAME). He could fight Martinez, he could fight Cotto and make sizeable profits but he wants the big prize and that is the fight with PAC-MAN.

    PF and his team are playing "shoot and volley" and we as fans are fuelling the frenzy......as we blog and/or twitter..... we are fuelling the fire and causing the estimated pay-off to increase for both fighters......if PF can make 22.5 million base from the SSM fight what do you think the base profit will be if he fights PAC-MAN???/

    PF could make 20 million base off of Cotto and probably 15 million base off of Martinez but PAC-MAN is probably closer to 40 million base (w/o PPV) but the window of opportunity is closing

    PAC-Man will be moving  to a new chapter in his life and boxing is going to take a back seat (it should because his country needs him to be focused and he probably  has aspiration to be president some day). So the window and the HUGE PAY DAY opportunity are closing for both fighters.

    PF has 3 maybe 4 four more huge pay days and then he will fade but I think tragically PF's life and life style will ultimately be his undoing (ie.  LIFE and TIMES of 2Pac are examples that coming to mind) But as an African American, I hope and pray that he can escape his own demons......but I wonder!!!!!!!!

    TEAM MAYWEATHER and TEAM PAC-MAN are media giants......don't underestimate them

     

    just my opinion

     
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    Posted: May. 25, 2010 - 10:54 PM ET #27

    Quote Originally Posted by Mack05:

    Mojho there is no point even agruing with you on this. That doesn't mean I don't like or respect your opinions. I enjoy your posts and the effort you put into them.

    Firstly show me a quote that states Manny Pacquaio is scared of needles? He doesn't like to give a lot of blood he never stated he is scared of needles.

    Here is where we agree. In a sport where you can die, Olympic style drug testing needs to be implemented. How it gets implemented is the problem. I am sure there is a way to implement random drug testing without the costs being like they were for Mayweather v Mosley. I would love to hear peoples opinions what is the best way to get USADA sytle testing implemented?Because honestly it should have been in place since the 70's/80's when the use of PED's among atheletes came to light. Maybe you can tell me Mohjo why it was never put in place, especially in a brutal sport where people have does in the ring?

    Now Conte is a scumbag, we know this, but he is correct when he says "Floyd's saying my way or the highway, well that's BS. It's got to be a compromise and there's never going 100% (accurate test) and we need to acknowledge that and I think Manny has made an effort to compromise and move to Floyd's direction and I think Manny needs to be applauded for that." Floyd cannot dictate the terms of possibly the biggest fight in history. If Manny says he feels weakened by giving blood why can't people believe him? As Conte stated which is true, Asfa Powell was a big favourite for a medal in Bejing. He ended giving alot of blood in the lead up to the 100 metres and came nowhere. He blamed it on giving blood and that it weakened him (I remember seeing the interview). Giving blood effects people in different ways. That is a fact.

    Now put yourself in Manny Pacquaio's shoes. You know giving blood weakens you, would you give blood all the way to the day of the fight if you didn't have too? knowing that the only person asking you do it was your opponent!? For the biggest fight of your life you want to be 100% mentally and physically. If the rules are there you have to give blood right up until the day of the fight well and good, but right now they are not there. So what do you do. You compromise! As stated by Conto these guys can cheat for months before and get away with it so no test is ever going to be 100% accurate.

    Before there were faults at both sides. Manny is now trying to compromise. Mayweather will not, therefore he is at fault. Dude look at the boxing forums on the web. 30% agree with you 70% with me. It's an argument neither of us will be swayed. I will give you the last word, but I am leaving my input to the topic here

    That's my exact point and if you agree why shouldn't Manny be the first to start this trend?

    I don't know how to get it implemented but I know it should be and that Manny saying he's going to be more fatigued than Floyd doesn't fly IMO...

    I can totally agree that Manny doesn't want the rules dictated to him but I still feel funny due to the millions of stories coming out of his camp. He's tried to come up w/ ever excuse not to take the test as opposed to just taking it and getting it over with. If they did have testing would he just have stopped fighting b'c he'd be tired for every fight

    He didn't lose the Morales fight b'c of testing it was b'c Morales straight right fucked his rhythm up

    I do appreciate your respectful tone and constructive approach to this debate

     

     

    We both agree it should be mandatory and in my case I don't really care who or what makes it happen whether it's Floyd, Pacquiao, or Congress it needs to be mandatory no if and or buts PERIOD. That's my stance and IMO the only stance anyone should have...

    I could care less about Mayweather/Gayweather or whatever else people would like to call him the only thing I respect about him is that when the moment up he steps up and produces unlike Oscar or Mosley which in my eyes is the difference between great and good players

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mack05:

    Mojho there is no point even agruing with you on this. That doesn't mean I don't like or respect your opinions. I enjoy your posts and the effort you put into them.

    Firstly show me a quote that states Manny Pacquaio is scared of needles? He doesn't like to give a lot of blood he never stated he is scared of needles.

    Here is where we agree. In a sport where you can die, Olympic style drug testing needs to be implemented. How it gets implemented is the problem. I am sure there is a way to implement random drug testing without the costs being like they were for Mayweather v Mosley. I would love to hear peoples opinions what is the best way to get USADA sytle testing implemented?Because honestly it should have been in place since the 70's/80's when the use of PED's among atheletes came to light. Maybe you can tell me Mohjo why it was never put in place, especially in a brutal sport where people have does in the ring?

    Now Conte is a scumbag, we know this, but he is correct when he says "Floyd's saying my way or the highway, well that's BS. It's got to be a compromise and there's never going 100% (accurate test) and we need to acknowledge that and I think Manny has made an effort to compromise and move to Floyd's direction and I think Manny needs to be applauded for that." Floyd cannot dictate the terms of possibly the biggest fight in history. If Manny says he feels weakened by giving blood why can't people believe him? As Conte stated which is true, Asfa Powell was a big favourite for a medal in Bejing. He ended giving alot of blood in the lead up to the 100 metres and came nowhere. He blamed it on giving blood and that it weakened him (I remember seeing the interview). Giving blood effects people in different ways. That is a fact.

    Now put yourself in Manny Pacquaio's shoes. You know giving blood weakens you, would you give blood all the way to the day of the fight if you didn't have too? knowing that the only person asking you do it was your opponent!? For the biggest fight of your life you want to be 100% mentally and physically. If the rules are there you have to give blood right up until the day of the fight well and good, but right now they are not there. So what do you do. You compromise! As stated by Conto these guys can cheat for months before and get away with it so no test is ever going to be 100% accurate.

    Before there were faults at both sides. Manny is now trying to compromise. Mayweather will not, therefore he is at fault. Dude look at the boxing forums on the web. 30% agree with you 70% with me. It's an argument neither of us will be swayed. I will give you the last word, but I am leaving my input to the topic here

    That's my exact point and if you agree why shouldn't Manny be the first to start this trend?

    I don't know how to get it implemented but I know it should be and that Manny saying he's going to be more fatigued than Floyd doesn't fly IMO...

    I can totally agree that Manny doesn't want the rules dictated to him but I still feel funny due to the millions of stories coming out of his camp. He's tried to come up w/ ever excuse not to take the test as opposed to just taking it and getting it over with. If they did have testing would he just have stopped fighting b'c he'd be tired for every fight

    He didn't lose the Morales fight b'c of testing it was b'c Morales straight right fucked his rhythm up

    I do appreciate your respectful tone and constructive approach to this debate

     

     

    We both agree it should be mandatory and in my case I don't really care who or what makes it happen whether it's Floyd, Pacquiao, or Congress it needs to be mandatory no if and or buts PERIOD. That's my stance and IMO the only stance anyone should have...

    I could care less about Mayweather/Gayweather or whatever else people would like to call him the only thing I respect about him is that when the moment up he steps up and produces unlike Oscar or Mosley which in my eyes is the difference between great and good players

     
     
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    Posted: Jun. 4, 2010 - 8:24 PM ET #28

    Quote Originally Posted by marnypoly:

    This test won't be standard any time soon. It cost too much.

    Floyd wants to act as if he's saving the sport yet the rest of his undercard didn't even have the same test.

    And yes. people sure are dying left and right because we don't have this test.

    It just cracks me up that nobody had a problem with not having this test less than a year ago.

    Now all these people come out of the woodwork and say how they need to "save" boxing.
    The conversation begins and I hope they do enough to get the ball rolling at least..

    https://boxing.fanhouse.com/2010/06/03/nevada-commission-to-examine-steroid-testing-protocol/#cntnt

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    Quote Originally Posted by marnypoly:

    This test won't be standard any time soon. It cost too much.

    Floyd wants to act as if he's saving the sport yet the rest of his undercard didn't even have the same test.

    And yes. people sure are dying left and right because we don't have this test.

    It just cracks me up that nobody had a problem with not having this test less than a year ago.

    Now all these people come out of the woodwork and say how they need to "save" boxing.
    The conversation begins and I hope they do enough to get the ball rolling at least..

    https://boxing.fanhouse.com/2010/06/03/nevada-commission-to-examine-steroid-testing-protocol/#cntnt

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