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    KineProfessor
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    Posted: Feb. 26, 2012 - 2:14 AM ET #626

    Quote Originally Posted by MrCheech:

    Has anyone thought of adding an additional layer to this system...take Troy and SIU-Ed for tonight.  Both are coming off outright wins as part of the system from Thursday.  They now qualify for the system again tonight in their very next game.  I'd be interested to see a sub-set of data that speaks to how these teams perform in the second back-to-back system play after an outright win in the first one.  I'm thinking you throw those teams out and not play them, but I'd like to see data.  
    Thoughts from anyone?


    There are so many other factors to consider such as, are they still on the road, or are they heading back home, who are they playing (i.e are the a fav or dog), with these being a system at the very end of a season, there haven't been any "significant" numbers to suggest that they are any less or more likely to cover their next game - this is a system specifically designed to be AGAINST bad teams expected to cover BIG LINES just because they are at home and playing another bad team (a major theory being the difference between team number 225 and 285 is much much smaller than another 60 team gap like number 10 Duke to number 70 NMSU for example).
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrCheech:

    Has anyone thought of adding an additional layer to this system...take Troy and SIU-Ed for tonight.  Both are coming off outright wins as part of the system from Thursday.  They now qualify for the system again tonight in their very next game.  I'd be interested to see a sub-set of data that speaks to how these teams perform in the second back-to-back system play after an outright win in the first one.  I'm thinking you throw those teams out and not play them, but I'd like to see data.  
    Thoughts from anyone?


    There are so many other factors to consider such as, are they still on the road, or are they heading back home, who are they playing (i.e are the a fav or dog), with these being a system at the very end of a season, there haven't been any "significant" numbers to suggest that they are any less or more likely to cover their next game - this is a system specifically designed to be AGAINST bad teams expected to cover BIG LINES just because they are at home and playing another bad team (a major theory being the difference between team number 225 and 285 is much much smaller than another 60 team gap like number 10 Duke to number 70 NMSU for example).
     
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    Posted: Feb. 26, 2012 - 2:15 AM ET #627

    alright good to know im using the system correctly....thank you kine!!

    funny i was also looking at denver and marist

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    alright good to know im using the system correctly....thank you kine!!

    funny i was also looking at denver and marist

     
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    Posted: Feb. 26, 2012 - 2:15 AM ET #628

    Quote Originally Posted by R-Town:

    Hey Kine, Have you ever thought of giving the system plays ratings?


    I've been rating the plays by a star for each 1/2 point the line got worse than the opener and it has been working well. Tonight:

    Kenpom System 2/25/12
    2* - 567
    1* - 563
    1* - 695
    OP - 627
    OP - 681
    OP - 689
    OP - 565
    OP - 715
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    Quote Originally Posted by R-Town:

    Hey Kine, Have you ever thought of giving the system plays ratings?


    I've been rating the plays by a star for each 1/2 point the line got worse than the opener and it has been working well. Tonight:

    Kenpom System 2/25/12
    2* - 567
    1* - 563
    1* - 695
    OP - 627
    OP - 681
    OP - 689
    OP - 565
    OP - 715
     
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    Posted: Feb. 26, 2012 - 2:16 AM ET #629

    Quote Originally Posted by mtndew146:

    Kine, I told you about Citadel slowing their tempo down last game they had. Well Citadel slowed it down to a crawl today on the UNDER again. Its like free money with Citadel right now.


    SHHHHH! 

    Very few outside of this thread are paying attention, lets keep quietly cashing tickets on Citadel and/or under
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    Quote Originally Posted by mtndew146:

    Kine, I told you about Citadel slowing their tempo down last game they had. Well Citadel slowed it down to a crawl today on the UNDER again. Its like free money with Citadel right now.


    SHHHHH! 

    Very few outside of this thread are paying attention, lets keep quietly cashing tickets on Citadel and/or under
     
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    Posted: Feb. 26, 2012 - 2:16 AM ET #630

    denver has been on a tear as of late
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    denver has been on a tear as of late
     
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    Posted: Feb. 26, 2012 - 2:19 AM ET #631

    Quote Originally Posted by Barnstorm:

    Ed loses the cover at the very end. Loses by 15 after being within the cover the entire game! Tough one.  



    That was brutal, I waited and got a great line and then that happens, the least they could have done is make the last second pointless 3 for all us die-hard SIU-Edwardsville fans
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    Quote Originally Posted by Barnstorm:

    Ed loses the cover at the very end. Loses by 15 after being within the cover the entire game! Tough one.  



    That was brutal, I waited and got a great line and then that happens, the least they could have done is make the last second pointless 3 for all us die-hard SIU-Edwardsville fans
     
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    Posted: Feb. 26, 2012 - 2:21 AM ET #632

    System plays and the other games I'm looking at are on post 620 on pg 25, hope to be around in the afternoon tomorrow - good luck and I hope you all make money each and every day
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    System plays and the other games I'm looking at are on post 620 on pg 25, hope to be around in the afternoon tomorrow - good luck and I hope you all make money each and every day
     
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    Posted: Feb. 26, 2012 - 3:15 AM ET #633

    KP, appreciate all the time and research. I just decided to read all the pages of your thread tonight and....WOW!  There are some "difficult" people you have to deal with on this thread.  

    I actually completely forgot about the system until yesterday, and glad to see I've only missed out on about 10 games or so of betting.  

    I'll be following you the rest of the way.  Best of luck to you and all the other system believers.  Let's do this!
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    KP, appreciate all the time and research. I just decided to read all the pages of your thread tonight and....WOW!  There are some "difficult" people you have to deal with on this thread.  

    I actually completely forgot about the system until yesterday, and glad to see I've only missed out on about 10 games or so of betting.  

    I'll be following you the rest of the way.  Best of luck to you and all the other system believers.  Let's do this!
     
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    Posted: Feb. 26, 2012 - 3:17 AM ET #634

    ive got 3 wins and 5 losses for the system today,  ouch
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    ive got 3 wins and 5 losses for the system today,  ouch
     
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    Posted: Feb. 26, 2012 - 4:20 AM ET #635

    My two cents on the line movement. Today I bet 8 system plays very few moments after Pinnacle opened the line so I was able to capitalize on having the opening line and the results were these:
    - 4 games beat the closing line, meaning the closing line was worse that the opening line, those games went 2-2
    - 4 games didnt BTCL, meaning the closing line was better that the opening line, those games went 1-3.

    Kine, your claim that you were able to get better line on MOST games cause you waited right before the start, does seem to be false because the 6 system plays you bet had better closing line in three cases and worse on the other three games. I am using Pinnacle line while you use 5dimes, but that doesnt really matter because line movement is the same.

    Anyway, I´ve been tracking line movement since 11th February and there doesnt seem to be any kind of correlation between anything and also, claim that the system lose line value doesnt seem to have any grounds at least from the sample I´ve collected.

    King, might give you a overall report on that when the system ends
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    My two cents on the line movement. Today I bet 8 system plays very few moments after Pinnacle opened the line so I was able to capitalize on having the opening line and the results were these:
    - 4 games beat the closing line, meaning the closing line was worse that the opening line, those games went 2-2
    - 4 games didnt BTCL, meaning the closing line was better that the opening line, those games went 1-3.

    Kine, your claim that you were able to get better line on MOST games cause you waited right before the start, does seem to be false because the 6 system plays you bet had better closing line in three cases and worse on the other three games. I am using Pinnacle line while you use 5dimes, but that doesnt really matter because line movement is the same.

    Anyway, I´ve been tracking line movement since 11th February and there doesnt seem to be any kind of correlation between anything and also, claim that the system lose line value doesnt seem to have any grounds at least from the sample I´ve collected.

    King, might give you a overall report on that when the system ends
     
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    Posted: Feb. 26, 2012 - 5:45 AM ET #636

    Quote Originally Posted by snowman76:

    ive got 3 wins and 5 losses for the system today,  ouch

    There weren't eight system plays on Saturday. The system went 3-3 as pointed out in post 620 by KP himself and referred to see post 620 by KP himself in post 632! Two post prior to yours!! Can you read or do you bother to look?

    I still amazed at how some of you people don't get this?  You are either to lazy to read or you read and don't comprhend.

    With the light Sunday schedule, it took about 30 seconds to look and figure out there are two games that qualify today.

    Histrionic personality disorder. It's sad
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    Quote Originally Posted by snowman76:

    ive got 3 wins and 5 losses for the system today,  ouch

    There weren't eight system plays on Saturday. The system went 3-3 as pointed out in post 620 by KP himself and referred to see post 620 by KP himself in post 632! Two post prior to yours!! Can you read or do you bother to look?

    I still amazed at how some of you people don't get this?  You are either to lazy to read or you read and don't comprhend.

    With the light Sunday schedule, it took about 30 seconds to look and figure out there are two games that qualify today.

     
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    Posted: Feb. 26, 2012 - 7:44 AM ET #637

    Quote Originally Posted by wmi799:

    There weren't eight system plays on Saturday. The system went 3-3 as pointed out in post 620 by KP himself and referred to see post 620 by KP himself in post 632! Two post prior to yours!! Can you read or do you bother to look?

    I still amazed at how some of you people don't get this?  You are either to lazy to read or you read and don't comprhend.

    With the light Sunday schedule, it took about 30 seconds to look and figure out there are two games that qualify today.

     

    Canisus +10.5

    NIU +10

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    Quote Originally Posted by wmi799:

    There weren't eight system plays on Saturday. The system went 3-3 as pointed out in post 620 by KP himself and referred to see post 620 by KP himself in post 632! Two post prior to yours!! Can you read or do you bother to look?

    I still amazed at how some of you people don't get this?  You are either to lazy to read or you read and don't comprhend.

    With the light Sunday schedule, it took about 30 seconds to look and figure out there are two games that qualify today.

     

    Canisus +10.5

    NIU +10

     
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    Posted: Feb. 26, 2012 - 8:06 AM ET #638

    My book screwed up the lines bad,I have Nia.+9.5 and N.ILL is 10.5,took both of those thinking they were system plays,
    But Siena is -1.5 which I took and thinking of adding a bit more,also even though they switch the 2 games lines my Bookie make the service honor them and if I win subtracts it from his pay,,
    Hope Nia.can keep it within 9.
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    My book screwed up the lines bad,I have Nia.+9.5 and N.ILL is 10.5,took both of those thinking they were system plays,
    But Siena is -1.5 which I took and thinking of adding a bit more,also even though they switch the 2 games lines my Bookie make the service honor them and if I win subtracts it from his pay,,
    Hope Nia.can keep it within 9.
     
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    Posted: Feb. 26, 2012 - 8:23 AM ET #639

    i thought saturday is the easiest day to win because the sheet is long and book-makers make mistakes on such obscure teams. anyway 3-3 is not bad

    so far 7-4

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    i thought saturday is the easiest day to win because the sheet is long and book-makers make mistakes on such obscure teams. anyway 3-3 is not bad

    so far 7-4

     
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    Posted: Feb. 26, 2012 - 8:26 AM ET #640

    Mr Professor,

    Is there a website that give ref assignments for upcoming games? I went to statsheet.com and they give a statistical breakdown of all refs calling games but they dont give the information as to where and when a certain ref will call a game.

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    Mr Professor,

    Is there a website that give ref assignments for upcoming games? I went to statsheet.com and they give a statistical breakdown of all refs calling games but they dont give the information as to where and when a certain ref will call a game.

     
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    Posted: Feb. 26, 2012 - 8:39 AM ET #641

    Quote Originally Posted by wmi799:

    There weren't eight system plays on Saturday. The system went 3-3 as pointed out in post 620 by KP himself and referred to see post 620 by KP himself in post 632! Two post prior to yours!! Can you read or do you bother to look?

    I still amazed at how some of you people don't get this?  You are either to lazy to read or you read and don't comprhend.

    With the light Sunday schedule, it took about 30 seconds to look and figure out there are two games that qualify today.


    Go read the posts you are reffering to thoroughly before stating false information, it makes you look very stupid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wmi799:

    There weren't eight system plays on Saturday. The system went 3-3 as pointed out in post 620 by KP himself and referred to see post 620 by KP himself in post 632! Two post prior to yours!! Can you read or do you bother to look?

    I still amazed at how some of you people don't get this?  You are either to lazy to read or you read and don't comprhend.

    With the light Sunday schedule, it took about 30 seconds to look and figure out there are two games that qualify today.


    Go read the posts you are reffering to thoroughly before stating false information, it makes you look very stupid.
     
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    Posted: Feb. 26, 2012 - 9:02 AM ET #642

    Make that "referring" 
    Cautiously pessimistic
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    Make that "referring" 
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by poolboy:

    Make that "referring" 

    Of course, edit feature could come in handy.
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    Make that "referring" 

    Of course, edit feature could come in handy.
     
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    Ok, sorry I'm not following this post too well, but the team we bet against has to fall in all 3 categories?
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    Posted: Feb. 26, 2012 - 10:44 AM ET #645

    Hey Kine & The Group;

    Thx for all your hard work & insight in this thread... I have just a couple quick comments to add:

    1- I've played a very similar system the last 2 seasons. FWIW, I added a filter of "Don't play any games with lines > 12.5", typicaly adds/saves me 1u each day

    2- BOL on your Denver play (if you stay with it). Personally I'm on No Tex. It's a play under my system and No Tex is 9-1-1 ATS on the road this season and I'm going to keep riding them.

    BOL to all today - this week! Thx again for all your work and contributions to the forum

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    Hey Kine & The Group;

    Thx for all your hard work & insight in this thread... I have just a couple quick comments to add:

    1- I've played a very similar system the last 2 seasons. FWIW, I added a filter of "Don't play any games with lines > 12.5", typicaly adds/saves me 1u each day

    2- BOL on your Denver play (if you stay with it). Personally I'm on No Tex. It's a play under my system and No Tex is 9-1-1 ATS on the road this season and I'm going to keep riding them.

    BOL to all today - this week! Thx again for all your work and contributions to the forum

     
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    Posted: Feb. 26, 2012 - 10:57 AM ET #646

    Quote Originally Posted by anoraxx:

    My two cents on the line movement. Today I bet 8 system plays very few moments after Pinnacle opened the line so I was able to capitalize on having the opening line and the results were these:
    - 4 games beat the closing line, meaning the closing line was worse that the opening line, those games went 2-2
    - 4 games didnt BTCL, meaning the closing line was better that the opening line, those games went 1-3.

    Kine, your claim that you were able to get better line on MOST games cause you waited right before the start, does seem to be false because the 6 system plays you bet had better closing line in three cases and worse on the other three games. I am using Pinnacle line while you use 5dimes, but that doesnt really matter because line movement is the same.

    Anyway, I´ve been tracking line movement since 11th February and there doesnt seem to be any kind of correlation between anything and also, claim that the system lose line value doesnt seem to have any grounds at least from the sample I´ve collected.

    King, might give you a overall report on that when the system ends


    First, thanks for making your 12th post in 7 years in my thread, I do truly appreciate it and whenever I see something like that I take special notice, so again, I appreciate that, not on to what I don't appreciate . . .

    If you read post 1 and 2 you know that I made it CRYSTAL CLEAR that I don't make any claims of line movement so any discussion about line movements are pointless.  I did say that people may want to grab the line as soon as they can just in case the line moves down and they lose value.  The system is a DOCUMENTED 50+ games over .500 in the last three years and the line movement of the system plays has nothing to do with it (although of course we would love to get better lines whenever possible).  Tracking the line movement is a complete waste of time (IMO).  Also, never said it was the "closing line," I was out with my son at a baseball and basketball game and just grabbed the games as the tipoffs were approaching - got better or line or better juice in four of the six games, but again THAT DOESNT MATTER AT ALL and I have literally no idea why you have chosen to focus on the minute detail. 

    Third, I don't appreciate AT ALL the you accuse me of making up the lines that I bet.  ASK ANYONE AROUND, I make so promises about results, no false claims, and NEVER "juke the stats"   Unlike many on here, If I get a worse line, I post it, if I get good or bad juice, I post it.  That would be a stupid thing to lie about anyway.  The statement that "line movement is the same everywhere" is absolutely crazy, why would smart gamblers worry about having multiple online books and why would Vegas sharps go casino to casino shopping for the best lines if "line movement is the same" that is an absolutely false statement. 

    AGAIN, go back and read post 1 and 2 and even 159, I HAVE CLUE what each line will do and am at the same mercy of line movement as everyone else.  I am still trying to figure out the post of your post other than to accuse me of being a liar about something that would be stupid to lie about in the first place and has nothing to do with the system itself. 

    The system is what it is, super simple and has been winning like crazy the last three years (this year's pre-system went nuts too).  I make no promises for today and beyond (in fact I expect it to win less as I've stated many times), there are two plays today, feel free to play them, ignore them or fade them - this system might not be for you


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    My two cents on the line movement. Today I bet 8 system plays very few moments after Pinnacle opened the line so I was able to capitalize on having the opening line and the results were these:
    - 4 games beat the closing line, meaning the closing line was worse that the opening line, those games went 2-2
    - 4 games didnt BTCL, meaning the closing line was better that the opening line, those games went 1-3.

    Kine, your claim that you were able to get better line on MOST games cause you waited right before the start, does seem to be false because the 6 system plays you bet had better closing line in three cases and worse on the other three games. I am using Pinnacle line while you use 5dimes, but that doesnt really matter because line movement is the same.

    Anyway, I´ve been tracking line movement since 11th February and there doesnt seem to be any kind of correlation between anything and also, claim that the system lose line value doesnt seem to have any grounds at least from the sample I´ve collected.

    King, might give you a overall report on that when the system ends


    First, thanks for making your 12th post in 7 years in my thread, I do truly appreciate it and whenever I see something like that I take special notice, so again, I appreciate that, not on to what I don't appreciate . . .

    If you read post 1 and 2 you know that I made it CRYSTAL CLEAR that I don't make any claims of line movement so any discussion about line movements are pointless.  I did say that people may want to grab the line as soon as they can just in case the line moves down and they lose value.  The system is a DOCUMENTED 50+ games over .500 in the last three years and the line movement of the system plays has nothing to do with it (although of course we would love to get better lines whenever possible).  Tracking the line movement is a complete waste of time (IMO).  Also, never said it was the "closing line," I was out with my son at a baseball and basketball game and just grabbed the games as the tipoffs were approaching - got better or line or better juice in four of the six games, but again THAT DOESNT MATTER AT ALL and I have literally no idea why you have chosen to focus on the minute detail. 

    Third, I don't appreciate AT ALL the you accuse me of making up the lines that I bet.  ASK ANYONE AROUND, I make so promises about results, no false claims, and NEVER "juke the stats"   Unlike many on here, If I get a worse line, I post it, if I get good or bad juice, I post it.  That would be a stupid thing to lie about anyway.  The statement that "line movement is the same everywhere" is absolutely crazy, why would smart gamblers worry about having multiple online books and why would Vegas sharps go casino to casino shopping for the best lines if "line movement is the same" that is an absolutely false statement. 

    AGAIN, go back and read post 1 and 2 and even 159, I HAVE CLUE what each line will do and am at the same mercy of line movement as everyone else.  I am still trying to figure out the post of your post other than to accuse me of being a liar about something that would be stupid to lie about in the first place and has nothing to do with the system itself. 

    The system is what it is, super simple and has been winning like crazy the last three years (this year's pre-system went nuts too).  I make no promises for today and beyond (in fact I expect it to win less as I've stated many times), there are two plays today, feel free to play them, ignore them or fade them - this system might not be for you


     
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    Posted: Feb. 26, 2012 - 11:05 AM ET #647

    KP,

    Echo the comments thanking you for time and efforts.  You don't have to do this. Use covers all the time but new to your system so I read every post...some twice (ignoring the pointless injections).

    Very simple...taking it for a spin starting today.

    Life is short...don't waste any time on the challenges...it is what it is...this is a forum not a pay to play service. 


    Good luck.

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    Echo the comments thanking you for time and efforts.  You don't have to do this. Use covers all the time but new to your system so I read every post...some twice (ignoring the pointless injections).

    Very simple...taking it for a spin starting today.

    Life is short...don't waste any time on the challenges...it is what it is...this is a forum not a pay to play service. 


    Good luck.

    MJ
     
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    Posted: Feb. 26, 2012 - 11:17 AM ET #648

    Quote Originally Posted by VegasVixen:

    Hey Kine & The Group;

    Thx for all your hard work & insight in this thread... I have just a couple quick comments to add:

    1- I've played a very similar system the last 2 seasons. FWIW, I added a filter of "Don't play any games with lines > 12.5", typicaly adds/saves me 1u each day

    2- BOL on your Denver play (if you stay with it). Personally I'm on No Tex. It's a play under my system and No Tex is 9-1-1 ATS on the road this season and I'm going to keep riding them.

    BOL to all today - this week! Thx again for all your work and contributions to the forum



    Denver would be a strictly situational play for me and won't be a play unless I can get a better line as I expected many to be on North Texas (as well they should be). 
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    Quote Originally Posted by VegasVixen:

    Hey Kine & The Group;

    Thx for all your hard work & insight in this thread... I have just a couple quick comments to add:

    1- I've played a very similar system the last 2 seasons. FWIW, I added a filter of "Don't play any games with lines > 12.5", typicaly adds/saves me 1u each day

    2- BOL on your Denver play (if you stay with it). Personally I'm on No Tex. It's a play under my system and No Tex is 9-1-1 ATS on the road this season and I'm going to keep riding them.

    BOL to all today - this week! Thx again for all your work and contributions to the forum



    Denver would be a strictly situational play for me and won't be a play unless I can get a better line as I expected many to be on North Texas (as well they should be). 
     
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    Posted: Feb. 26, 2012 - 11:20 AM ET #649

    Quote Originally Posted by Mickalicious:

    KP,

    Echo the comments thanking you for time and efforts.  You don't have to do this. Use covers all the time but new to your system so I read every post...some twice (ignoring the pointless injections).

    Very simple...taking it for a spin starting today.

    Life is short...don't waste any time on the challenges...it is what it is...this is a forum not a pay to play service. 


    Good luck.

    MJ


    Always happy to help - thanks for the nice words - good luck bud
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    KP,

    Echo the comments thanking you for time and efforts.  You don't have to do this. Use covers all the time but new to your system so I read every post...some twice (ignoring the pointless injections).

    Very simple...taking it for a spin starting today.

    Life is short...don't waste any time on the challenges...it is what it is...this is a forum not a pay to play service. 


    Good luck.

    MJ


    Always happy to help - thanks for the nice words - good luck bud
     
     
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    KP....System plays 

    Pre - system & System has been $$$$$$$ over the years...
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