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    Vegas vs KenPom Week 9

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    sharpmoney75
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    Posted: Jan. 21, 2012 - 5:29 PM ET #301

    Quote Originally Posted by 11spread11:

    Maryland dumped ..........first...AWAY play that lost.even 60+% plays go down!!!!

    I've personally been throwing out the 60% - 65% too.  They are a losing propostion in the long run.  I went back as many weeks as I could, and these plays are hitting under 50%.  I would definitely throw these out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 11spread11:

    Maryland dumped ..........first...AWAY play that lost.even 60+% plays go down!!!!

    I've personally been throwing out the 60% - 65% too.  They are a losing propostion in the long run.  I went back as many weeks as I could, and these plays are hitting under 50%.  I would definitely throw these out.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 21, 2012 - 5:42 PM ET #302

    Rough start to the day boys. I will post the late plays in the next 30 minutes. Everyone should be fine if you are using sound money management. We have been killing it this week so far, here's to a solid evening
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    Rough start to the day boys. I will post the late plays in the next 30 minutes. Everyone should be fine if you are using sound money management. We have been killing it this week so far, here's to a solid evening
     
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    Posted: Jan. 21, 2012 - 5:46 PM ET #303

    Quote Originally Posted by beaverfan23:

    Rough start to the day boys. I will post the late plays in the next 30 minutes. Everyone should be fine if you are using sound money management. We have been killing it this week so far, here's to a solid evening

    Agree, lots of people will panic on days like these, but overall the system has been working.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beaverfan23:

    Rough start to the day boys. I will post the late plays in the next 30 minutes. Everyone should be fine if you are using sound money management. We have been killing it this week so far, here's to a solid evening

    Agree, lots of people will panic on days like these, but overall the system has been working.

     
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    Posted: Jan. 21, 2012 - 5:52 PM ET #304

    Beaverfan I agree and plan on sticking by you, I feel as if this forum got out of hand lol.  I think if we just get back to the basics we will go on a nice little run.  Too many different versions of what teams were the right plays and what teams were not.
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    Beaverfan I agree and plan on sticking by you, I feel as if this forum got out of hand lol.  I think if we just get back to the basics we will go on a nice little run.  Too many different versions of what teams were the right plays and what teams were not.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 21, 2012 - 5:56 PM ET #305

    rhode island hit!! lets get rolling
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    Posted: Jan. 21, 2012 - 6:06 PM ET #306

    Quote Originally Posted by trabs9:

    Correct, the KP line is used to determine the threshold levels.  In your example above, the threshold level is 4.5 to 8 since the KP line is -5.


    No.  I have been using the opening line to determine plays all season long. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by trabs9:

    Correct, the KP line is used to determine the threshold levels.  In your example above, the threshold level is 4.5 to 8 since the KP line is -5.


    No.  I have been using the opening line to determine plays all season long. 
     
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    Posted: Jan. 21, 2012 - 6:08 PM ET #307

    My swollen balls are subsiding as I feel the evening with turn profit.
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    Posted: Jan. 21, 2012 - 6:10 PM ET #308

    A&m in OT
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    Posted: Jan. 21, 2012 - 6:22 PM ET #309

    Nice little 4-2 run here.  Lets finish strong tonight
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    Nice little 4-2 run here.  Lets finish strong tonight
     
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    Posted: Jan. 21, 2012 - 6:40 PM ET #310

    due ..
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    Posted: Jan. 21, 2012 - 6:43 PM ET #311

    Marshall and T Tech looking bad ..
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    Posted: Jan. 21, 2012 - 6:45 PM ET #312

    Need a strong finish....
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    Posted: Jan. 21, 2012 - 6:47 PM ET #313

    Official Saturday Plays:

    11AM
    MD +9 (RDA)  L
    12PM
    Purdue +8.5 (RDT)  L
    1PM
    StJohns +2 (HDT)  L
    SMU +14.5 (RDT)  L
    OKSt +3.5 (HDT)  L
    2PM
    Brown +4 (HDT)  L
    3PM
    Indiana St +13.5 (RDT)  L
    4PM
    URI +15 (RDN)  W
    Duke -10.5 (HFT)  L
    Texas +3.5 (HDT)  W
    TxAM -3.5 (HFN)  W
    5PM
    Texas Tech +6 (HDT)  L
    Utah +4.5 (HDN)  W
    6PM
    Marshall +4 (RDT)
    7PM
    Citadel +24.5 (RDT)

    Quick note - It is far too much work to find the betonline opening line...this system started with just checking the first opener on covers and I will continue to do so.  There are hundreds of offshore books out there, it would take hours to find the true "opening line".  To keep it simple I will just use the earliest opening line on covers.com

    8PM
    Duq +10.5 (RDT)
    IUPUI -1 (RFA)
    Oakland +9 (RDA)
    UL-Mon +8.5 (RDT)
    9PM
    Pitt -3.5 (HFA)
    N.AZ +5 (RDT)
    10PM
    San Diego St -11.5 (HFT)
    11PM
    Santa Clara +12 (HDT)
    12AM
    Hawaii +3.5 (HDT)

    Rough 4-9 start to the day, but we have 11 more games to get it back.  DO NOT PRESS YOUR BETS!
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    Official Saturday Plays:

    11AM
    MD +9 (RDA)  L
    12PM
    Purdue +8.5 (RDT)  L
    1PM
    StJohns +2 (HDT)  L
    SMU +14.5 (RDT)  L
    OKSt +3.5 (HDT)  L
    2PM
    Brown +4 (HDT)  L
    3PM
    Indiana St +13.5 (RDT)  L
    4PM
    URI +15 (RDN)  W
    Duke -10.5 (HFT)  L
    Texas +3.5 (HDT)  W
    TxAM -3.5 (HFN)  W
    5PM
    Texas Tech +6 (HDT)  L
    Utah +4.5 (HDN)  W
    6PM
    Marshall +4 (RDT)
    7PM
    Citadel +24.5 (RDT)

    Quick note - It is far too much work to find the betonline opening line...this system started with just checking the first opener on covers and I will continue to do so.  There are hundreds of offshore books out there, it would take hours to find the true "opening line".  To keep it simple I will just use the earliest opening line on covers.com

    8PM
    Duq +10.5 (RDT)
    IUPUI -1 (RFA)
    Oakland +9 (RDA)
    UL-Mon +8.5 (RDT)
    9PM
    Pitt -3.5 (HFA)
    N.AZ +5 (RDT)
    10PM
    San Diego St -11.5 (HFT)
    11PM
    Santa Clara +12 (HDT)
    12AM
    Hawaii +3.5 (HDT)

    Rough 4-9 start to the day, but we have 11 more games to get it back.  DO NOT PRESS YOUR BETS!
     
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    Posted: Jan. 21, 2012 - 7:16 PM ET #314

    Glad i just played the A's as only down 100

    A's were 71% with one addit win so should balance out to 71% going into t nite,,
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    Glad i just played the A's as only down 100

    A's were 71% with one addit win so should balance out to 71% going into t nite,,
     
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    Posted: Jan. 21, 2012 - 7:32 PM ET #315

    maybe somebody should tell Citadel that the game has started.
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    Posted: Jan. 21, 2012 - 7:36 PM ET #316

    Does Citadel score 24.5 points?

    Losing 30-3.  Less than 7:00 first half.
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    Does Citadel score 24.5 points?

    Losing 30-3.  Less than 7:00 first half.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 21, 2012 - 7:39 PM ET #317

    LOL CITADEL
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    Posted: Jan. 21, 2012 - 8:44 PM ET #318

    Citadel is within a 3-pointer from covering 
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    Posted: Jan. 21, 2012 - 9:38 PM ET #319

    8 PM looking like potential anal raping.
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    Posted: Jan. 21, 2012 - 10:40 PM ET #320

    Quote Originally Posted by BJaRz:

    8 PM looking like potential anal raping.

    Pretty sure everyone can see that, no need to rub it in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BJaRz:

    8 PM looking like potential anal raping.

    Pretty sure everyone can see that, no need to rub it in.

     
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    Posted: Jan. 21, 2012 - 10:54 PM ET #321

    Let's just hope tomorrow is better?
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    Posted: Jan. 21, 2012 - 11:57 PM ET #322

    I checked into my acct, seen I was down big. Thats the way it goes sometimes.

    Funny how covers is showing betonline lines for tomorrow early today....hmmmmm.

    Anyhow, we are in it for the long haul fellas. Rough start. But a decent finish.

    Onto tomorrow. Thanks Beaver for the work. Hope we helped as much as we could with plays today.

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    I checked into my acct, seen I was down big. Thats the way it goes sometimes.

    Funny how covers is showing betonline lines for tomorrow early today....hmmmmm.

    Anyhow, we are in it for the long haul fellas. Rough start. But a decent finish.

    Onto tomorrow. Thanks Beaver for the work. Hope we helped as much as we could with plays today.

     
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    Posted: Jan. 22, 2012 - 12:22 AM ET #323

    We all lost a lot today but look at the profits that we've received over the past week system just had an off day. Keep it going beaver we appreciate the work and all the others who have contributed
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    We all lost a lot today but look at the profits that we've received over the past week system just had an off day. Keep it going beaver we appreciate the work and all the others who have contributed
     
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    Posted: Jan. 22, 2012 - 1:13 AM ET #324

    I think I echo a good portion of people, 24 games in one day is too many for any system.

    Somewhere in this thread I read about betting $100 on every game was up $2500+

    Today alone on that line of thinking you had to win 13 of 24 games at $110-$100 to win $80.

    Meaning you put $2,640 in action to net $80 if you won 13 of 24.

    Through 22 games today, I've talled it to be 6-15-1 or 6-16 depending on the line you got with the push which became a loss.

    That's a loss of -1160 at a 6-16 rate.

    Part of the problem I see is that multiple people are coming up with games and some match, some don't and there's a sense of confusion of what should/shouldn't be in the mix.

    What happens when a line moves, should I play second halves, what if, etc etc etc...

    I'll state again, I would never use Covers for the 65% ratio. It's too small of a sample and it's people paying to play in contest pools.

    I'd much rather use real live betting samples from multiple sportsbooks that people actually wager real $ to get a % number.

    I would use Pinnacle openers as a test run against Betonline and then and then only use the games that match the system.

    I would look to redefine what constitutes a play or not and you must take into account the line move. Lines move for a lot of reason, late scratches or steam action. You can't just go by an opening number to make a selection.

    This would never apply for NFL or NCAA Football. You have to use the current line because that's what people are going to be betting on. If the opener was -10 and was a play, would it still be a play at -12 or -13?  If you were taking +10 would it be a play at +7 or +7.5

    I like the concept so don't think this is a bash because it's not. I see it as a viable option to use but not a 100% basis to place hard earned $ on blindly.

    I would get a free blog site and outline the entire thought process behind this and let's work on tweaking it. It's very hard to go back to other posts and mix/match up posts to figure out what should/shouldn't be done because too many people are adding input or answering and who knows if it's right or wrong. Truly only beaverfan knows 100% as it appears his system he came up with.

    I think everyone elses role is to evaluate, tinker and recommend tweaks and changes to:

    A. Clearly define the process from start to finish. In other words what do you need, how do you calculate and how are you calculating.

    B. Try different parameters to lower the number of games played and increase the probabilty of winning based on said parameter testing.

    C. Create a spreadsheet that anyone can either download, view and change the data to tweak. I don't know if anyone knows how to use excel and export the data from different websites but that's the easiest way without someone manually doing the transfer of data, plus you can hit one button to update the data anytime you want.

    I am not trying to hijack the topic or the concept, I am not a tech person but strong with math and as I said can see some value in this but I see a lot of opportunity for tweaking. Appreciate beaverfan for putting this out there and all those that contribute to help move it forward.

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    I think I echo a good portion of people, 24 games in one day is too many for any system.

    Somewhere in this thread I read about betting $100 on every game was up $2500+

    Today alone on that line of thinking you had to win 13 of 24 games at $110-$100 to win $80.

    Meaning you put $2,640 in action to net $80 if you won 13 of 24.

    Through 22 games today, I've talled it to be 6-15-1 or 6-16 depending on the line you got with the push which became a loss.

    That's a loss of -1160 at a 6-16 rate.

    Part of the problem I see is that multiple people are coming up with games and some match, some don't and there's a sense of confusion of what should/shouldn't be in the mix.

    What happens when a line moves, should I play second halves, what if, etc etc etc...

    I'll state again, I would never use Covers for the 65% ratio. It's too small of a sample and it's people paying to play in contest pools.

    I'd much rather use real live betting samples from multiple sportsbooks that people actually wager real $ to get a % number.

    I would use Pinnacle openers as a test run against Betonline and then and then only use the games that match the system.

    I would look to redefine what constitutes a play or not and you must take into account the line move. Lines move for a lot of reason, late scratches or steam action. You can't just go by an opening number to make a selection.

    This would never apply for NFL or NCAA Football. You have to use the current line because that's what people are going to be betting on. If the opener was -10 and was a play, would it still be a play at -12 or -13?  If you were taking +10 would it be a play at +7 or +7.5

    I like the concept so don't think this is a bash because it's not. I see it as a viable option to use but not a 100% basis to place hard earned $ on blindly.

    I would get a free blog site and outline the entire thought process behind this and let's work on tweaking it. It's very hard to go back to other posts and mix/match up posts to figure out what should/shouldn't be done because too many people are adding input or answering and who knows if it's right or wrong. Truly only beaverfan knows 100% as it appears his system he came up with.

    I think everyone elses role is to evaluate, tinker and recommend tweaks and changes to:

    A. Clearly define the process from start to finish. In other words what do you need, how do you calculate and how are you calculating.

    B. Try different parameters to lower the number of games played and increase the probabilty of winning based on said parameter testing.

    C. Create a spreadsheet that anyone can either download, view and change the data to tweak. I don't know if anyone knows how to use excel and export the data from different websites but that's the easiest way without someone manually doing the transfer of data, plus you can hit one button to update the data anytime you want.

    I am not trying to hijack the topic or the concept, I am not a tech person but strong with math and as I said can see some value in this but I see a lot of opportunity for tweaking. Appreciate beaverfan for putting this out there and all those that contribute to help move it forward.

    jr

     
     
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    This is just an FYI. I played 24 games today. Full games are 8-14-1 with Hawaii pending. The games were pretty much exactly the games that were outlined here give or take one. 1st halves were 12-12. 6 games where our team gave up the cover in the 2nd half to either a loss or a push (Rhode Island). Only 3 games where our team gained the cover after not having the 1st half cover. Of the 6 that gave it up, 4 were road teams. Of the 3 that clawed back 2 were home teams. Something to think about.
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    This is just an FYI. I played 24 games today. Full games are 8-14-1 with Hawaii pending. The games were pretty much exactly the games that were outlined here give or take one. 1st halves were 12-12. 6 games where our team gave up the cover in the 2nd half to either a loss or a push (Rhode Island). Only 3 games where our team gained the cover after not having the 1st half cover. Of the 6 that gave it up, 4 were road teams. Of the 3 that clawed back 2 were home teams. Something to think about.
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