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    WISCONSIN vs. NOTRE DAME: Of all the games I've capped in the past year, this was the toughest.

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    Posted: Mar. 25, 2016 - 5:18 AM ET #26

    Quote Originally Posted by pmiller503:

    Good write up but I am afraid to tail someone who's 8-
    1...seems like you're due for a loss lol

    You will be a loser in gambling with that type of mentality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pmiller503:

    Good write up but I am afraid to tail someone who's 8-
    1...seems like you're due for a loss lol

    You will be a loser in gambling with that type of mentality.
     
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    Posted: Mar. 25, 2016 - 6:31 AM ET #27

    wisky has that lucky kid bronson....this matchup should've been xavier
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    wisky has that lucky kid bronson....this matchup should've been xavier
     
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    Posted: Mar. 25, 2016 - 8:00 AM ET #28

    The Illiad of capping! Tailing 
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    The Illiad of capping! Tailing 
     
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    Posted: Mar. 25, 2016 - 8:09 AM ET #29

    Quote Originally Posted by pmiller503:

    Good write up but I am afraid to tail someone who's 8-1...seems like you're due for a loss lol

    You can't seriously bet like that? Because someone or something is "due" for a loss? Or a win? WOW! Bet the matchup in the game.

    Good luck on the play Scal. 
    Histrionic personality disorder. It's sad
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    Quote Originally Posted by pmiller503:

    Good write up but I am afraid to tail someone who's 8-1...seems like you're due for a loss lol

    You can't seriously bet like that? Because someone or something is "due" for a loss? Or a win? WOW! Bet the matchup in the game.

    Good luck on the play Scal. 
     
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    Posted: Mar. 25, 2016 - 8:38 AM ET #30

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    Posted: Mar. 25, 2016 - 8:45 AM ET #31

    Thanks Scal - Been on your last three. I also like Virginia
    Any thoughts on NC  / Ind ?
     
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    Thanks Scal - Been on your last three. I also like Virginia
    Any thoughts on NC  / Ind ?
     
     
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    Posted: Mar. 25, 2016 - 8:47 AM ET #32

    Quote Originally Posted by scalabrine:

    C. ND just played two half-court set offenses who have long offensive possessions

    Remember I talked about the previous conditioning for a team when you pick them? It's like working out. How can you bench press effectively if you haven't lifted in two months?

    Michigan and Austin both play in the half court running down the shot clock. ND won both games (barely in the second but they won both) and now they get yet another half court set offense.

    That is conditioning folks. Austin may be a 14 seed but what a tremendous tune-up for ND to play Wisky, no?

    Wisconsin on the other hand had Pitt to condition them for Xavier, bigs pounding the boards and nailing you down low. It worked out beautifully for them and they also got two wins. 

    But while ND plays a third consecutive similar team on offense (and even defense with Austin), Wisky will have to reinvent itself for something new. 

    And another note on Austin...

    D. How did Notre Dame shoot so well and almost lose to Stephen F. Austin?

    TURNOVERS.

    They had 13 against Austin and 16 against Michigan.

    But note, 13 is actually pretty good against Austin who force a mind-boggling 19 TO's a game (#1 in the nation). That's like boot camp before the war. 

    And ND's season average? 10th best in the nation in fewest TO's with 10 a game. 

    Folks if ND shoots as well as they have the past two games and reduce the TO's to their average or below, they would have won the past two games far more comfortably than what you saw.

    That's on the table for this game as Wisconsin is, remarkably, 240th in the nation in forcing turnovers (right around where Tulane is at!).


    Another edge for ND?

    E. Coaching

    ND's Brey has been to the NCAA tournament in 11 of 16 years coaching. 

    355-176 at ND

    Greg Gard 15-7. First NCAA tournament.

    Bo Ryan obviously caused all this and make no mistake, the job Gard has done has been tremendous.

    But we saw a similar coaching disparity with Gonzaga and Seton Hall when we took Gonzaga didn't we. Big time coaches typically get it done in the tournament. There is an edge to be had there.

    But even more so, Brey has this team believing in itself. He continually talks about the team's 'destiny' to get back to the Elite 8 where they lost to Kentucky last year and redeem themselves.

    People give such talk a hand wave but it's not about destiny at all, it's about belief. And he has gotten this team to believe in itself and the players are buying in especially after losing a player like Grant last year while still advancing in this tournament.

    They really have reinvented themselves.

    Now I look at Wisconsin. No Kaminsky, No Dekker and a new HC. Now they rely wholly on in your face D but how far is that D going to take them? While Kansas, Villanova, and Virginia are still in the tournament, they also rank near the top in offensive efficiency in the Kenpom ratings. Wisconsin is all the way down at 87th. That's a big disparity.

    Finally, do I like Matt Farrell at PG for ND (I know some of you here will point that out)? I'm not crazy about it. But like Wisky the past two games, the kid showed me some guts against a ferocious half court D against Austin.

    Wisconsin wants to keep the game close and win in closing minutes. Folks, that's a lot to ask. They nearly coughed put the first game and it took a reincarnation of Curry to win the second. Now they go to the Sweet 16 against a better coached team, a team looking for redemption after the loss to Kentucky (who they went toe to toe with and this is powerful psychological motivator for this year as a goal to get to the same round), and a team that is one of the most offensively efficient in the tournament. 

    And can Wisconsin hold a lead? They trailed almost the entire Pitt game and jumped out to a 17-8 lead against Xavier but their poor shooting left them trailing at the half. Their offensive woes and lulls do them in (even though the last two games resulted in victories).

    Wisconsin was a Final Four team the past two years. These players have that experience. But is this group with no bench and experiencing shooting woes at the worst time with a brand new HC in the tournament, going to top ND in this spot?

    That's a lot to 'play it close against' which Wisconsin loves to do. And we don't have a line to worry about. I see a close game and Wisconsin has the guts and the D to keep it close with any team, but in the end, I see one team prevailing.

    While leads to the pick:

    Notre Dame -1 over Wisconsin


    Hell of a write-up as usual and always tail your plays ... Solid !!!

    Just a quick note ....

    6 Seeds are 5-1 SU vs 7 Seeds if they give up less points per game .... Wis 64 ppg vs ND 71 ppg ....

    I'm on board with ND ...just throwing it out there .... GL !!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by scalabrine:

    C. ND just played two half-court set offenses who have long offensive possessions

    Remember I talked about the previous conditioning for a team when you pick them? It's like working out. How can you bench press effectively if you haven't lifted in two months?

    Michigan and Austin both play in the half court running down the shot clock. ND won both games (barely in the second but they won both) and now they get yet another half court set offense.

    That is conditioning folks. Austin may be a 14 seed but what a tremendous tune-up for ND to play Wisky, no?

    Wisconsin on the other hand had Pitt to condition them for Xavier, bigs pounding the boards and nailing you down low. It worked out beautifully for them and they also got two wins. 

    But while ND plays a third consecutive similar team on offense (and even defense with Austin), Wisky will have to reinvent itself for something new. 

    And another note on Austin...

    D. How did Notre Dame shoot so well and almost lose to Stephen F. Austin?

    TURNOVERS.

    They had 13 against Austin and 16 against Michigan.

    But note, 13 is actually pretty good against Austin who force a mind-boggling 19 TO's a game (#1 in the nation). That's like boot camp before the war. 

    And ND's season average? 10th best in the nation in fewest TO's with 10 a game. 

    Folks if ND shoots as well as they have the past two games and reduce the TO's to their average or below, they would have won the past two games far more comfortably than what you saw.

    That's on the table for this game as Wisconsin is, remarkably, 240th in the nation in forcing turnovers (right around where Tulane is at!).


    Another edge for ND?

    E. Coaching

    ND's Brey has been to the NCAA tournament in 11 of 16 years coaching. 

    355-176 at ND

    Greg Gard 15-7. First NCAA tournament.

    Bo Ryan obviously caused all this and make no mistake, the job Gard has done has been tremendous.

    But we saw a similar coaching disparity with Gonzaga and Seton Hall when we took Gonzaga didn't we. Big time coaches typically get it done in the tournament. There is an edge to be had there.

    But even more so, Brey has this team believing in itself. He continually talks about the team's 'destiny' to get back to the Elite 8 where they lost to Kentucky last year and redeem themselves.

    People give such talk a hand wave but it's not about destiny at all, it's about belief. And he has gotten this team to believe in itself and the players are buying in especially after losing a player like Grant last year while still advancing in this tournament.

    They really have reinvented themselves.

    Now I look at Wisconsin. No Kaminsky, No Dekker and a new HC. Now they rely wholly on in your face D but how far is that D going to take them? While Kansas, Villanova, and Virginia are still in the tournament, they also rank near the top in offensive efficiency in the Kenpom ratings. Wisconsin is all the way down at 87th. That's a big disparity.

    Finally, do I like Matt Farrell at PG for ND (I know some of you here will point that out)? I'm not crazy about it. But like Wisky the past two games, the kid showed me some guts against a ferocious half court D against Austin.

    Wisconsin wants to keep the game close and win in closing minutes. Folks, that's a lot to ask. They nearly coughed put the first game and it took a reincarnation of Curry to win the second. Now they go to the Sweet 16 against a better coached team, a team looking for redemption after the loss to Kentucky (who they went toe to toe with and this is powerful psychological motivator for this year as a goal to get to the same round), and a team that is one of the most offensively efficient in the tournament. 

    And can Wisconsin hold a lead? They trailed almost the entire Pitt game and jumped out to a 17-8 lead against Xavier but their poor shooting left them trailing at the half. Their offensive woes and lulls do them in (even though the last two games resulted in victories).

    Wisconsin was a Final Four team the past two years. These players have that experience. But is this group with no bench and experiencing shooting woes at the worst time with a brand new HC in the tournament, going to top ND in this spot?

    That's a lot to 'play it close against' which Wisconsin loves to do. And we don't have a line to worry about. I see a close game and Wisconsin has the guts and the D to keep it close with any team, but in the end, I see one team prevailing.

    While leads to the pick:

    Notre Dame -1 over Wisconsin


    Hell of a write-up as usual and always tail your plays ... Solid !!!

    Just a quick note ....

    6 Seeds are 5-1 SU vs 7 Seeds if they give up less points per game .... Wis 64 ppg vs ND 71 ppg ....

    I'm on board with ND ...just throwing it out there .... GL !!!
     
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    Posted: Mar. 25, 2016 - 9:41 AM ET #33

    Great post - appreciate the insight.  Scal - just curious, have you posted one of these for each of your 9 picks this year on here?

    I dont know why everyone is so gung-ho over Whisky.  a lot of people are discounting the Irish for that tip in, but let's not forget some questionable calls and looooong 3 balls that got the badgers where they are.  It may be thin but I'd take Irish here too (always bet the Brey Beard!)
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    Great post - appreciate the insight.  Scal - just curious, have you posted one of these for each of your 9 picks this year on here?

    I dont know why everyone is so gung-ho over Whisky.  a lot of people are discounting the Irish for that tip in, but let's not forget some questionable calls and looooong 3 balls that got the badgers where they are.  It may be thin but I'd take Irish here too (always bet the Brey Beard!)
     
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    Posted: Mar. 25, 2016 - 10:22 AM ET #34

    Excellent post ... This will be one of my biggest bets all year . Wisconsins luck runs out tonight
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    Excellent post ... This will be one of my biggest bets all year . Wisconsins luck runs out tonight
     
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    Thanks guys Appreciate it all.

    Would respond individually if not for lack of time.

    I have no other games of interest today. Just this one for those asking.

    @rain - interesting point and I agree.

    What ND did in their final minute was far harder than what Wisky did.

    Yes the over the back call on SFA was atrocious but besides that, ND drew fouls on drives and hit all their FT's. Then they took advantage of a tight team with their height inside and got the magic tip in.

    Compare this to Koenig who hit a 3 from about 33 feet (unguardable) to tie the game (how often will that three fall for him. He was Curry-esque there but he's not Steph.)

    Then he hit what was one of the all time great game ending threes falling out of bounds. Again, how often will that shot fall and would you even call such a play with more than 2 seconds.

    That's 6 points in 10 seconds on bomb 3's and they still only got to 66.

    ND on the other hand? Resilient, disciplined in the final minutes and if the refs want to throw a bone the Irish's way tonight like the over the back call? I'm all for it.




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    Thanks guys Appreciate it all.

    Would respond individually if not for lack of time.

    I have no other games of interest today. Just this one for those asking.

    @rain - interesting point and I agree.

    What ND did in their final minute was far harder than what Wisky did.

    Yes the over the back call on SFA was atrocious but besides that, ND drew fouls on drives and hit all their FT's. Then they took advantage of a tight team with their height inside and got the magic tip in.

    Compare this to Koenig who hit a 3 from about 33 feet (unguardable) to tie the game (how often will that three fall for him. He was Curry-esque there but he's not Steph.)

    Then he hit what was one of the all time great game ending threes falling out of bounds. Again, how often will that shot fall and would you even call such a play with more than 2 seconds.

    That's 6 points in 10 seconds on bomb 3's and they still only got to 66.

    ND on the other hand? Resilient, disciplined in the final minutes and if the refs want to throw a bone the Irish's way tonight like the over the back call? I'm all for it.




     
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    Posted: Mar. 25, 2016 - 10:32 AM ET #36

    MORE MEAT ON THE PLAY BONE


    Everyone is gaga over Wisky's D and they should be. It's smothering.

    But can Notre Dame D up?

    Yes! Especially in the second half.

    The Irish held Michigan to 28% shooting!! (9-32) in the second half.

    The Irish held SFA to 39% shooting in the second half.

    Back to offense.

    Zach Auguste our big man down under...

    His shooting percentage in tournament games in his career?

    70.5% 43 of 61 in 7 career tournament games.

    The minimum to qualify for the record books is 70 attempts.

    The all time record is held by Bill Walton at 68.6%.

    Is that not stepping up on the biggest of all stages?


    Another one?!? Yes.

    50%

    What is that? VJ Beechem's shooting percentage over the last 7 games played.

    But that is not FG%. That is THREE pt FG%. And Wisky does a terrible job at guarding the 3 as noted in the OP.











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    MORE MEAT ON THE PLAY BONE


    Everyone is gaga over Wisky's D and they should be. It's smothering.

    But can Notre Dame D up?

    Yes! Especially in the second half.

    The Irish held Michigan to 28% shooting!! (9-32) in the second half.

    The Irish held SFA to 39% shooting in the second half.

    Back to offense.

    Zach Auguste our big man down under...

    His shooting percentage in tournament games in his career?

    70.5% 43 of 61 in 7 career tournament games.

    The minimum to qualify for the record books is 70 attempts.

    The all time record is held by Bill Walton at 68.6%.

    Is that not stepping up on the biggest of all stages?


    Another one?!? Yes.

    50%

    What is that? VJ Beechem's shooting percentage over the last 7 games played.

    But that is not FG%. That is THREE pt FG%. And Wisky does a terrible job at guarding the 3 as noted in the OP.











     
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    Posted: Mar. 25, 2016 - 10:45 AM ET #37

    Thanks Scal - great info.
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    Thanks Scal - great info.
     
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    Posted: Mar. 25, 2016 - 10:59 AM ET #38

    Great writeup Scal, ND on my card, go Irish!
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    Great writeup Scal, ND on my card, go Irish!
     
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    Posted: Mar. 25, 2016 - 11:03 AM ET #39

    Great write up scalabrine 
    I only wish covers had more content like this and less of the bs
    Good luck with your pick
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    Great write up scalabrine 
    I only wish covers had more content like this and less of the bs
    Good luck with your pick
     
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    Posted: Mar. 25, 2016 - 11:07 AM ET #40

    Quote Originally Posted by pmiller503:

    Good write up but I am afraid to tail someone who's 8-1...seems like you're due for a loss lol

    Tell me about it.  I've been scouring these forums looking for someone who is 0-7, 1-8, 1-10, etc to tail.  Need to find someone due for a win to blindly tail.  I mean, if I am going to blindly throw MY cash on another person's plays, definitely want someone who hasn't won in a while.  



     Both these teams are decent, but definitely NOT great, and seem to lay eggs every few games.  I have to run my numbers (i.e. throw some darts) and see what that says.



    BOL on the play regardless and thanks for the insight.  
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    Quote Originally Posted by pmiller503:

    Good write up but I am afraid to tail someone who's 8-1...seems like you're due for a loss lol

    Tell me about it.  I've been scouring these forums looking for someone who is 0-7, 1-8, 1-10, etc to tail.  Need to find someone due for a win to blindly tail.  I mean, if I am going to blindly throw MY cash on another person's plays, definitely want someone who hasn't won in a while.  



     Both these teams are decent, but definitely NOT great, and seem to lay eggs every few games.  I have to run my numbers (i.e. throw some darts) and see what that says.



    BOL on the play regardless and thanks for the insight.  
     
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    Posted: Mar. 25, 2016 - 11:09 AM ET #41

    This, my friend, is great stuff. Well done amigo. I had ND before this write up and I think I'm staying with them. BOL to us all. Any other leans in any of the other games? As always, I can speak for everyone here, your analysis and insight is greatly appreciated. 
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    This, my friend, is great stuff. Well done amigo. I had ND before this write up and I think I'm staying with them. BOL to us all. Any other leans in any of the other games? As always, I can speak for everyone here, your analysis and insight is greatly appreciated. 
     
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    Posted: Mar. 25, 2016 - 11:53 AM ET #42

    Don't fall for this ND trap. Xavier never saw a defense like Wisky. Good luck but I am playing the LUCKY Bronson K.
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    Don't fall for this ND trap. Xavier never saw a defense like Wisky. Good luck but I am playing the LUCKY Bronson K.
     
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    Posted: Mar. 25, 2016 - 12:02 PM ET #43

    Mac pops into pay Homage to Scalabrine & appreciates his enjoyable lengthy Biblical write-ups which even makes my play on the Irish more enticing indeed today it's also on my radar



    GL Scalabrine  & much respect to one of the Classy Brothers here on Covers "CIRCUS" Community
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    Mac pops into pay Homage to Scalabrine & appreciates his enjoyable lengthy Biblical write-ups which even makes my play on the Irish more enticing indeed today it's also on my radar



    GL Scalabrine  & much respect to one of the Classy Brothers here on Covers "CIRCUS" Community
     
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    Posted: Mar. 25, 2016 - 12:04 PM ET #44

    Quote Originally Posted by coakley69:

    Don't fall for this ND trap. Xavier never saw a defense like Wisky. Good luck but I am playing the LUCKY Bronson K.

    Really? .... 


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    Quote Originally Posted by coakley69:

    Don't fall for this ND trap. Xavier never saw a defense like Wisky. Good luck but I am playing the LUCKY Bronson K.

    Really? .... 


     
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    Posted: Mar. 25, 2016 - 12:14 PM ET #45

    I was all over the Irish when this line came out early in the week but after reading your thread I'm so rock hard I don't know if I can handles myself until game time.  ND big
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    I was all over the Irish when this line came out early in the week but after reading your thread I'm so rock hard I don't know if I can handles myself until game time.  ND big
     
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    Posted: Mar. 25, 2016 - 12:17 PM ET #46

    Quote Originally Posted by SiuLungBao:

    wisky has that lucky kid bronson....this matchup should've been xavier

    Xavier took a disappointing loss. Up 3 in dying seconds.. Was hoping for at least OT.. Then again Xavier was outplayed for most of the game but had a huge run late until Whisky finished them off..

    If I take Irish I would not settle for more than -1..  -1.5 I would not take. Irish may win by 1 again..   This is a scary ballsy game
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    Quote Originally Posted by SiuLungBao:

    wisky has that lucky kid bronson....this matchup should've been xavier

    Xavier took a disappointing loss. Up 3 in dying seconds.. Was hoping for at least OT.. Then again Xavier was outplayed for most of the game but had a huge run late until Whisky finished them off..

    If I take Irish I would not settle for more than -1..  -1.5 I would not take. Irish may win by 1 again..   This is a scary ballsy game
     
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    Posted: Mar. 25, 2016 - 12:20 PM ET #47

    Quote Originally Posted by SiuLungBao:

    wisky has that lucky kid bronson....this matchup should've been xavier

    But it's not 
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    Quote Originally Posted by SiuLungBao:

    wisky has that lucky kid bronson....this matchup should've been xavier

    But it's not 
     
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    UNDER
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    UNDER
     
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    Posted: Mar. 25, 2016 - 12:39 PM ET #50

    i have no side in this game whatsoever..let alone 1000x words on a virtual pk game..with most of it being fluff. 

     i do know that ND has been fortunate thus far..they're soft, nonathletic, and can't play any defense..and rely on the 3

    those really aren't winning combinations 
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    i have no side in this game whatsoever..let alone 1000x words on a virtual pk game..with most of it being fluff. 

     i do know that ND has been fortunate thus far..they're soft, nonathletic, and can't play any defense..and rely on the 3

    those really aren't winning combinations 
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