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    5-1 Last week - like to get thoughts on these games

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    Posted: Oct. 17, 2012 - 7:09 PM ET #26

    Quote Originally Posted by HowardLangston:

    I like tech for a couple of reasons.  Last week i was not on west virginia and i was also not on tech.  What scared me in making a bet on that game was that i was leaning tech.  Because of that i stayed away.

    I know tech plays pretty bad on the road, i went to to tech, its the team i probably know the most about besides UT.  Techs defense is surprisingly good this year.  They pulled down the curtain on one of the most powerful offenses in the country last week and they also held a good iowa st offense to 13/14 and TCU got crushed by this same iowa st team at home.

    I still dont understand the ISU line.  I know all about the line movements in all the games i bet.  I used to bet only line movements and that turned out to run about 50% if you bet it on every game in both NCAAF as well as NFL.  So i take line movement for what it is, a coinflip IMO.

    ISU is a good team with a very good defense.  They beat TCU on the road and then almost held off a great kstate team the next week.  K state has a great defense and iowa st still put up 21 on them while holding k states offense to under 30.  OK state has a very good offense but i feel like the stats are fudged as they have not really played anyone of significance and a good portion of their stats come from week 1 vs savannah st.  And when i say they have not really played anyone i mean that.  UT is no one and so is arizona this year.  Both these teams have zero defense.  So OK st is walking into a game against a good, something they have not played against yet this season.  Iowa st on the other hand has played very good defenses a couple times this year already and did fine against them.  This OK st defense should not have a chance.  This is very similar reasoning i had last week when i took OK over Texas.  Texas had yet to face a good defense going into last weeks game they got shit pushed in just like i thought would happen.

     

    You are right on all points on both teams, which is exactly the point, why the short line for TTU and why the exagerated line for OSU?  OSU's homefield is worth more than 3 points?

    As far as line movement, it's just one thing I look at on certain games, but especially on games where (1) the line seems too good to be true to me and (2) where 75-80% of the bets are on one side.  If you think about it, the 50/50 makes sense because if it happened ALL the time, it would be very easy to spot as a trend right?  In reality, this is probably where the theory "the house wants even money on both sides" comes into play, not on one single game, but in a big sample size of games.  Vegas only needs 50/50 to make money. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by HowardLangston:

    I like tech for a couple of reasons.  Last week i was not on west virginia and i was also not on tech.  What scared me in making a bet on that game was that i was leaning tech.  Because of that i stayed away.

    I know tech plays pretty bad on the road, i went to to tech, its the team i probably know the most about besides UT.  Techs defense is surprisingly good this year.  They pulled down the curtain on one of the most powerful offenses in the country last week and they also held a good iowa st offense to 13/14 and TCU got crushed by this same iowa st team at home.

    I still dont understand the ISU line.  I know all about the line movements in all the games i bet.  I used to bet only line movements and that turned out to run about 50% if you bet it on every game in both NCAAF as well as NFL.  So i take line movement for what it is, a coinflip IMO.

    ISU is a good team with a very good defense.  They beat TCU on the road and then almost held off a great kstate team the next week.  K state has a great defense and iowa st still put up 21 on them while holding k states offense to under 30.  OK state has a very good offense but i feel like the stats are fudged as they have not really played anyone of significance and a good portion of their stats come from week 1 vs savannah st.  And when i say they have not really played anyone i mean that.  UT is no one and so is arizona this year.  Both these teams have zero defense.  So OK st is walking into a game against a good, something they have not played against yet this season.  Iowa st on the other hand has played very good defenses a couple times this year already and did fine against them.  This OK st defense should not have a chance.  This is very similar reasoning i had last week when i took OK over Texas.  Texas had yet to face a good defense going into last weeks game they got shit pushed in just like i thought would happen.

     

    You are right on all points on both teams, which is exactly the point, why the short line for TTU and why the exagerated line for OSU?  OSU's homefield is worth more than 3 points?

    As far as line movement, it's just one thing I look at on certain games, but especially on games where (1) the line seems too good to be true to me and (2) where 75-80% of the bets are on one side.  If you think about it, the 50/50 makes sense because if it happened ALL the time, it would be very easy to spot as a trend right?  In reality, this is probably where the theory "the house wants even money on both sides" comes into play, not on one single game, but in a big sample size of games.  Vegas only needs 50/50 to make money. 

     
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    Posted: Oct. 18, 2012 - 2:10 AM ET #27

    The OSU line is high because (1) this is Homecoming, which is a really big deal at OSU, (2) this is a huge revenge game, and (3) Oklahoma State is hilariously underrated because (a) they've had two bye weeks so you only have five games to judge this year's team, (b) they had the bad fortune to play two of their five games in extremely negative situations where they would be expected to play way below their normal level, and (c) they had the bad fortune to lose a close game on a fumble that wasn't called in a game where they outgained the other team by 136 yards at 8.6 yards per play to 5.5 yards per play.

    Last year, OSU was favored by 25 points on the road, and now they're -14 at home.  That's an 18-point adjustment before factoring the other intangibles (homecoming, payback) that are probably worth another 8-10 points.  Have these teams really converged by 26 to 28 points in one season?  I don't think so.  ISU may be 4 or 5 points better this year, and OSU may be a few points worse, and last year's line was probably a FG higher than it should have been (in terms of power ratings), but even so this line still gives us 16 points of line value on OSU, plus a bit more when you consider that ISU is in a letdown spot. 

    Bottom line is OSU was the third best team in the country last year, and their performances this year really don't provide much reason to think they've fallen off significantly.  The only reason not to bet the farm on OSU is the fact that they have a bunch of injuries to their receivers, and Gundy won't disclose how serious they are.

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    The OSU line is high because (1) this is Homecoming, which is a really big deal at OSU, (2) this is a huge revenge game, and (3) Oklahoma State is hilariously underrated because (a) they've had two bye weeks so you only have five games to judge this year's team, (b) they had the bad fortune to play two of their five games in extremely negative situations where they would be expected to play way below their normal level, and (c) they had the bad fortune to lose a close game on a fumble that wasn't called in a game where they outgained the other team by 136 yards at 8.6 yards per play to 5.5 yards per play.

    Last year, OSU was favored by 25 points on the road, and now they're -14 at home.  That's an 18-point adjustment before factoring the other intangibles (homecoming, payback) that are probably worth another 8-10 points.  Have these teams really converged by 26 to 28 points in one season?  I don't think so.  ISU may be 4 or 5 points better this year, and OSU may be a few points worse, and last year's line was probably a FG higher than it should have been (in terms of power ratings), but even so this line still gives us 16 points of line value on OSU, plus a bit more when you consider that ISU is in a letdown spot. 

    Bottom line is OSU was the third best team in the country last year, and their performances this year really don't provide much reason to think they've fallen off significantly.  The only reason not to bet the farm on OSU is the fact that they have a bunch of injuries to their receivers, and Gundy won't disclose how serious they are.

     
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    Posted: Oct. 18, 2012 - 2:26 AM ET #28

    Quote Originally Posted by mws:

    The OSU line is high because (1) this is Homecoming, which is a really big deal at OSU, (2) this is a huge revenge game, and (3) Oklahoma State is hilariously underrated because (a) they've had two bye weeks so you only have five games to judge this year's team, (b) they had the bad fortune to play two of their five games in extremely negative situations where they would be expected to play way below their normal level, and (c) they had the bad fortune to lose a close game on a fumble that wasn't called in a game where they outgained the other team by 136 yards at 8.6 yards per play to 5.5 yards per play.

    Last year, OSU was favored by 25 points on the road, and now they're -14 at home.  That's an 18-point adjustment before factoring the other intangibles (homecoming, payback) that are probably worth another 8-10 points.  Have these teams really converged by 26 to 28 points in one season?  I don't think so.  ISU may be 4 or 5 points better this year, and OSU may be a few points worse, and last year's line was probably a FG higher than it should have been (in terms of power ratings), but even so this line still gives us 16 points of line value on OSU, plus a bit more when you consider that ISU is in a letdown spot. 

    Bottom line is OSU was the third best team in the country last year, and their performances this year really don't provide much reason to think they've fallen off significantly.  The only reason not to bet the farm on OSU is the fact that they have a bunch of injuries to their receivers, and Gundy won't disclose how serious they are.


    thank you sir. finally some real discussion in this thread.  This is what i have been looking for.  Thanks for pointing out the bad fortune.  I was not aware the game last week was during a down pour and now that score make a lot more sense to me.  You might have successfully scared me off the ISU bet.

    Do you have any other thoughts on the other games i have posted?

    likes/dislikes and why if you dont mind taking the time
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    Quote Originally Posted by mws:

    The OSU line is high because (1) this is Homecoming, which is a really big deal at OSU, (2) this is a huge revenge game, and (3) Oklahoma State is hilariously underrated because (a) they've had two bye weeks so you only have five games to judge this year's team, (b) they had the bad fortune to play two of their five games in extremely negative situations where they would be expected to play way below their normal level, and (c) they had the bad fortune to lose a close game on a fumble that wasn't called in a game where they outgained the other team by 136 yards at 8.6 yards per play to 5.5 yards per play.

    Last year, OSU was favored by 25 points on the road, and now they're -14 at home.  That's an 18-point adjustment before factoring the other intangibles (homecoming, payback) that are probably worth another 8-10 points.  Have these teams really converged by 26 to 28 points in one season?  I don't think so.  ISU may be 4 or 5 points better this year, and OSU may be a few points worse, and last year's line was probably a FG higher than it should have been (in terms of power ratings), but even so this line still gives us 16 points of line value on OSU, plus a bit more when you consider that ISU is in a letdown spot. 

    Bottom line is OSU was the third best team in the country last year, and their performances this year really don't provide much reason to think they've fallen off significantly.  The only reason not to bet the farm on OSU is the fact that they have a bunch of injuries to their receivers, and Gundy won't disclose how serious they are.


    thank you sir. finally some real discussion in this thread.  This is what i have been looking for.  Thanks for pointing out the bad fortune.  I was not aware the game last week was during a down pour and now that score make a lot more sense to me.  You might have successfully scared me off the ISU bet.

    Do you have any other thoughts on the other games i have posted?

    likes/dislikes and why if you dont mind taking the time
     
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    Posted: Oct. 18, 2012 - 4:08 AM ET #29

    thought I saw spurrier has a losing record vs uF during his interview today in Espn. I've been riding both teams and have been winning..for this game though, I'd have to pick uf. They've showed more resilience and poise vs tougher opponents on the road. This team was not not picked by many experts in the sec east and from the looks of it are playing with a chip on their shoulder. Riding the gators until
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    thought I saw spurrier has a losing record vs uF during his interview today in Espn. I've been riding both teams and have been winning..for this game though, I'd have to pick uf. They've showed more resilience and poise vs tougher opponents on the road. This team was not not picked by many experts in the sec east and from the looks of it are playing with a chip on their shoulder. Riding the gators until
     
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    Posted: Oct. 18, 2012 - 4:10 AM ET #30

    They start crumbling down....which may be something we might not see until Jan 2013
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    They start crumbling down....which may be something we might not see until Jan 2013
     
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    Posted: Oct. 18, 2012 - 6:07 AM ET #31

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    Posted: Oct. 20, 2012 - 1:44 AM ET #32

    so i am going to end up playing all of my bets. MWS made some very good points about the iowa st game but i still believe 14 points is way too many points for ISU to be getting in this game and it seems vegas is finally agreeing seeing the spread is dropping in the right direction.

    The only lean i may play is the texas a&m lean and i dont know when or if i will put that bet in.
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    so i am going to end up playing all of my bets. MWS made some very good points about the iowa st game but i still believe 14 points is way too many points for ISU to be getting in this game and it seems vegas is finally agreeing seeing the spread is dropping in the right direction.

    The only lean i may play is the texas a&m lean and i dont know when or if i will put that bet in.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 20, 2012 - 3:37 AM ET #33

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    Posted: Oct. 20, 2012 - 11:14 AM ET #34

    For Okla St, QB Walsh will start, as expected.  Starting WRs Moore and Anderson are OUT, as expected.
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    For Okla St, QB Walsh will start, as expected.  Starting WRs Moore and Anderson are OUT, as expected.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 20, 2012 - 11:28 AM ET #35

    TCU Tech game will be in some major winds. Tech passing game might be hindered a bit. Windy plays to TCUs advantage IMO


    Texas Tech at TCU (1.5, 55)

    Site: Amon G. Carter Stadium

    Forecasts are calling for mild temperatures in the mid-80s under clear skies. Winds will gust out of the south up to 20 mph.

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    TCU Tech game will be in some major winds. Tech passing game might be hindered a bit. Windy plays to TCUs advantage IMO


    Texas Tech at TCU (1.5, 55)

    Site: Amon G. Carter Stadium

    Forecasts are calling for mild temperatures in the mid-80s under clear skies. Winds will gust out of the south up to 20 mph.

     
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    Posted: Oct. 20, 2012 - 11:38 AM ET #36

    I like your picks but don't see LSU losing today...They have their swagger back, and will have one loss when facing Bama.

    I like S.C. winning today and Steve Spurrier has never lost back to back games when going on the road. Also, Florida is playing well and I think today is a good spot for them to take a hit.

    I like Iowa St. getting 2 td's...I will play this like i play my Seahawks play thurs. Seattle hadn't lost by more than 6 all year, so yes of course I will take 8+. Also, Iowa st. getting 14+ when their biggest loss was by 11. Home vs. Away doesnt matter 14 is too much.

    I will also be on LSU under

    Will have to do more research on the afternoon games.



     
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    I like your picks but don't see LSU losing today...They have their swagger back, and will have one loss when facing Bama.

    I like S.C. winning today and Steve Spurrier has never lost back to back games when going on the road. Also, Florida is playing well and I think today is a good spot for them to take a hit.

    I like Iowa St. getting 2 td's...I will play this like i play my Seahawks play thurs. Seattle hadn't lost by more than 6 all year, so yes of course I will take 8+. Also, Iowa st. getting 14+ when their biggest loss was by 11. Home vs. Away doesnt matter 14 is too much.

    I will also be on LSU under

    Will have to do more research on the afternoon games.



     
     
     
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    Posted: Oct. 20, 2012 - 11:52 AM ET #37

    I may lay off the S.C. game b/c Florida has ripped me up this yr. But don't like betting against S.C. that for sure.
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    I may lay off the S.C. game b/c Florida has ripped me up this yr. But don't like betting against S.C. that for sure.
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