This is a great game here... Two teams that were both undefeated at one point in the top 25 and looked like they could run the table and both fell short but still had amazing seasons... Ball St. was blown out vs Buffalo in the conference championship, Tulsa lost to ECU in their conference championship.
Here goes an interesting stat you guys can look up for yourselves.. In the last 12 years... In bowl games when a ranked opponent is an underdog vs. a non-ranked opponent the ranked team is 16-3 ATS..Im not a trend bettor whatsoever but thats one helluva trend.. Look it up yourselves it may take a little time but its in black and white...I know during this regular season if a ranked team was an underdog vs. a non-ranked opponent the non-ranked team usually won and covered!
But I think this is the most balanced team Tulsa has yet to face this season...They have seen their share of teams with high-flying offenses and no defense...THe most balanced team they faced was ECU..ANd they arent really that balanced(#85 offense and #43 defense)...That is about as balanced as it gets most the defenses they played were ranked #90 and worse...Ball St. is the #11 offense and #54 defense alot more balanced than any squad they have faced yet.
Ball St. loss to Buffalo was not a "fluke" but it was the one last game and all the weight on their shoulders to run the table and it collapsed..Rubbing the table in college football is not easy... Now they got their 1 loss over they get to start fresh, no pressure tonight and thats exactly what they need... Mind you in the loss to Buffalo they still outgained them 503 to 301 total yards.
The better QB here in IMO goes to Ball St. Davis doesnt get rattled, i really like this kid under center... Johnson for Tulsa has a lot of big play potential and can stretch the field..But Davis 7 Int's vs Johnson 19 int's says alot as well...But Davis also has that fumbling issue we can't forget about!!!
MiQuale Lewis Ball St. running back is talented as they come, total of 1,701 yards and 22 TDs speak for itself.. Tulsa back Tarrion Adams rushing for 1,341 yard and 11 TDs..... So both teams can move the ball out of the backfield.
Ball St. is +8 in takeaways,...Tulsa is -8 takeaways!!! Thats big right there....Tulsa has 36 sacks this season causing QB's havoc and Ball St. has 21 sacks....Protecting the QB Ball St. has only allowed 12 sacks doing a good job and Tulsa has allowed 20 sacks thsi season...
Both of these teams were great ATS this season and made us all alot of money... But bottomline the more balanced team with the better defense wins IMO and im taking Ball St. +3....BOL Tonight guys!!!!
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This is a great game here... Two teams that were both undefeated at one point in the top 25 and looked like they could run the table and both fell short but still had amazing seasons... Ball St. was blown out vs Buffalo in the conference championship, Tulsa lost to ECU in their conference championship.
Here goes an interesting stat you guys can look up for yourselves.. In the last 12 years... In bowl games when a ranked opponent is an underdog vs. a non-ranked opponent the ranked team is 16-3 ATS..Im not a trend bettor whatsoever but thats one helluva trend.. Look it up yourselves it may take a little time but its in black and white...I know during this regular season if a ranked team was an underdog vs. a non-ranked opponent the non-ranked team usually won and covered!
But I think this is the most balanced team Tulsa has yet to face this season...They have seen their share of teams with high-flying offenses and no defense...THe most balanced team they faced was ECU..ANd they arent really that balanced(#85 offense and #43 defense)...That is about as balanced as it gets most the defenses they played were ranked #90 and worse...Ball St. is the #11 offense and #54 defense alot more balanced than any squad they have faced yet.
Ball St. loss to Buffalo was not a "fluke" but it was the one last game and all the weight on their shoulders to run the table and it collapsed..Rubbing the table in college football is not easy... Now they got their 1 loss over they get to start fresh, no pressure tonight and thats exactly what they need... Mind you in the loss to Buffalo they still outgained them 503 to 301 total yards.
The better QB here in IMO goes to Ball St. Davis doesnt get rattled, i really like this kid under center... Johnson for Tulsa has a lot of big play potential and can stretch the field..But Davis 7 Int's vs Johnson 19 int's says alot as well...But Davis also has that fumbling issue we can't forget about!!!
MiQuale Lewis Ball St. running back is talented as they come, total of 1,701 yards and 22 TDs speak for itself.. Tulsa back Tarrion Adams rushing for 1,341 yard and 11 TDs..... So both teams can move the ball out of the backfield.
Ball St. is +8 in takeaways,...Tulsa is -8 takeaways!!! Thats big right there....Tulsa has 36 sacks this season causing QB's havoc and Ball St. has 21 sacks....Protecting the QB Ball St. has only allowed 12 sacks doing a good job and Tulsa has allowed 20 sacks thsi season...
Both of these teams were great ATS this season and made us all alot of money... But bottomline the more balanced team with the better defense wins IMO and im taking Ball St. +3....BOL Tonight guys!!!!
Here goes an interesting stat you guys can look up for yourselves.. In the last 12 years... In bowl games when a ranked opponent is an underdog vs. a non-ranked opponent the ranked team is 16-3 ATS..Im not a trend bettor whatsoever but thats one helluva trend.. Look it up yourselves it may take a little time but its in black and white...I know during this regular season if a ranked team was an underdog vs. a non-ranked opponent the non-ranked team usually won and covered!
Interesting trend here which I find hard to believe (not saying I am doubting you... just saying I personally find it hard to believe). Usually the unranked favorite is money like you mentioned. I'm assuming one of the 3 losses you have listed was with Arizona -3 vs BYU earlier this bowl season?
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Quote Originally Posted by chrisdeniro2ks:
Here goes an interesting stat you guys can look up for yourselves.. In the last 12 years... In bowl games when a ranked opponent is an underdog vs. a non-ranked opponent the ranked team is 16-3 ATS..Im not a trend bettor whatsoever but thats one helluva trend.. Look it up yourselves it may take a little time but its in black and white...I know during this regular season if a ranked team was an underdog vs. a non-ranked opponent the non-ranked team usually won and covered!
Interesting trend here which I find hard to believe (not saying I am doubting you... just saying I personally find it hard to believe). Usually the unranked favorite is money like you mentioned. I'm assuming one of the 3 losses you have listed was with Arizona -3 vs BYU earlier this bowl season?
Interesting trend here which I find hard to believe (not saying I am doubting you... just saying I personally find it hard to believe). Usually the unranked favorite is money like you mentioned. I'm assuming one of the 3 losses you have listed was with Arizona -3 vs BYU earlier this bowl season?
too long of a list to go through all of them it took me like 1.5 hours last night researching that... but ill give you like 5,i just dont have the time to put all of them up here.
1999 Peach Bowl- #15 Miss+3 vs Clemson. final score=17-7
2004 Alamo Bowl-#24 Ohio St+3 vs Ok. State. final score 33-7
2004 Sun Bowl-#21 Zona St.+8 vs Purdue final score 27-23
2007 Gator Bowl#21 Virginia+6 vs Texas Tech final score 28-31
2004 Continental Tire Bowl BC+1 vs UNC final score 37-24
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Quote Originally Posted by highside107:
Interesting trend here which I find hard to believe (not saying I am doubting you... just saying I personally find it hard to believe). Usually the unranked favorite is money like you mentioned. I'm assuming one of the 3 losses you have listed was with Arizona -3 vs BYU earlier this bowl season?
too long of a list to go through all of them it took me like 1.5 hours last night researching that... but ill give you like 5,i just dont have the time to put all of them up here.
1999 Peach Bowl- #15 Miss+3 vs Clemson. final score=17-7
2004 Alamo Bowl-#24 Ohio St+3 vs Ok. State. final score 33-7
2004 Sun Bowl-#21 Zona St.+8 vs Purdue final score 27-23
2007 Gator Bowl#21 Virginia+6 vs Texas Tech final score 28-31
2004 Continental Tire Bowl BC+1 vs UNC final score 37-24
the line has moved so much cuz Ball St coach Hoke quit after the MAC Champ. game and took SanDiego St job. what the big deal there is that Hoke called all Defensive schemes. so how they gonna slow Tuls down now or can they. think Tuls is the play, GL
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the line has moved so much cuz Ball St coach Hoke quit after the MAC Champ. game and took SanDiego St job. what the big deal there is that Hoke called all Defensive schemes. so how they gonna slow Tuls down now or can they. think Tuls is the play, GL
Nice work but I am on the other side. You make some good points on Ball State but I devalue a lot of their stats based upon the fact that they played in the MAC and the MAC has proven to be ABSOLUTELY LOUSY this year.
The four best teams in the MAC were Ball, Buffalo, Western Mich and Central Mich.
Buffalo was annihilated by UConn way worse than the 38-20 score indicates. I don't know that I have ever seen a team turn the ball over 5 times in the first half yet still win by such a large margin. UConn rushed for 358 yards a 7.3 yard per var average while Buffalo managed just 10 first downs (half of them during garbage time at the end of the game) and averaged just 1.3 yards per rush. Against Ball, Buffalo not only won by 18 points, but managed 18 first downs and 3.7 yards per carry.
Western Michigan was a complete embarrassment against Rice in their bowl game. They were down 38-0 before scoring two meaningless touchdowns. They were out first downed 28-15 (most of theirs came on their last two drives), averaged 3.2 yards per carry and they allowed 320 yards passing. Against Ball, they averaged 4.9 yards per carry and moved the ball in a hard fought 31-24 loss.
Central Florida, a 7 point favorite lost outright to Florida Atlantic out of the weak Sunbelt. FAU moved the ball at will with 28 first downs and 466 yards. CM managed 20 first downs against FAU and 27 FD's against Ball.
My point of all this is that Ball's numbers were amassed against teams that have proven to be unworthy. The three best MAc team they faced were embarrassed in bowl games. Western Mich failed to cover by 21 and were actually 35 points behind the spread before two meaningless TD's, Buffalo failed to cover by 11.5 even though UConn turned the ball over 5 times in the first half and Central Mich failed to cover by 10. The MAC couldn't have done much worse in these three games. In all three bowl games, the opposing teams offensive and defensive performances were better than Ball State's performance against the same three teams.
All in all, I think Ball State was extremely overrated. They are very reliant on RB Miquale Lewis while Tulsa has 5 backs averaging 5.8 yards or more per carry and 4 WR's with at least 7 TD's. Tulsa averaged 565 yards per game and Balls' undersized defensive line shouldn't put much pressure on Tulsa.
I could be wrong, but I am on Tulsa!
GL
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Chris-
Nice work but I am on the other side. You make some good points on Ball State but I devalue a lot of their stats based upon the fact that they played in the MAC and the MAC has proven to be ABSOLUTELY LOUSY this year.
The four best teams in the MAC were Ball, Buffalo, Western Mich and Central Mich.
Buffalo was annihilated by UConn way worse than the 38-20 score indicates. I don't know that I have ever seen a team turn the ball over 5 times in the first half yet still win by such a large margin. UConn rushed for 358 yards a 7.3 yard per var average while Buffalo managed just 10 first downs (half of them during garbage time at the end of the game) and averaged just 1.3 yards per rush. Against Ball, Buffalo not only won by 18 points, but managed 18 first downs and 3.7 yards per carry.
Western Michigan was a complete embarrassment against Rice in their bowl game. They were down 38-0 before scoring two meaningless touchdowns. They were out first downed 28-15 (most of theirs came on their last two drives), averaged 3.2 yards per carry and they allowed 320 yards passing. Against Ball, they averaged 4.9 yards per carry and moved the ball in a hard fought 31-24 loss.
Central Florida, a 7 point favorite lost outright to Florida Atlantic out of the weak Sunbelt. FAU moved the ball at will with 28 first downs and 466 yards. CM managed 20 first downs against FAU and 27 FD's against Ball.
My point of all this is that Ball's numbers were amassed against teams that have proven to be unworthy. The three best MAc team they faced were embarrassed in bowl games. Western Mich failed to cover by 21 and were actually 35 points behind the spread before two meaningless TD's, Buffalo failed to cover by 11.5 even though UConn turned the ball over 5 times in the first half and Central Mich failed to cover by 10. The MAC couldn't have done much worse in these three games. In all three bowl games, the opposing teams offensive and defensive performances were better than Ball State's performance against the same three teams.
All in all, I think Ball State was extremely overrated. They are very reliant on RB Miquale Lewis while Tulsa has 5 backs averaging 5.8 yards or more per carry and 4 WR's with at least 7 TD's. Tulsa averaged 565 yards per game and Balls' undersized defensive line shouldn't put much pressure on Tulsa.
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