No one has really brought this to the table. Baylor has been on a losing streak, but play in much tougher division...Baylor's loses came against some pretty decent teams (Oklahoma, TCU, K State, WV, )...loses to sub divisional team Texas and TT were on the road...just trying to match Boise with some of the same teams Baylor played and I don't see them beating any...Boise being a td favorite seems like a lot to ask for. Both teams horrible ATS...
Anyone else think Baylor can win this SU?
I mean I f Baylor played in the MWC, they'd probably be on top of Wyoming and Boise in the standings right
Strong lean on Baylor +8...unless someone can convince me wrong...
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No one has really brought this to the table. Baylor has been on a losing streak, but play in much tougher division...Baylor's loses came against some pretty decent teams (Oklahoma, TCU, K State, WV, )...loses to sub divisional team Texas and TT were on the road...just trying to match Boise with some of the same teams Baylor played and I don't see them beating any...Boise being a td favorite seems like a lot to ask for. Both teams horrible ATS...
Anyone else think Baylor can win this SU?
I mean I f Baylor played in the MWC, they'd probably be on top of Wyoming and Boise in the standings right
Strong lean on Baylor +8...unless someone can convince me wrong...
I agree the Broncos are the play here. They are well coached & usually are prepared to play. Baylor has tons of physical talent but the program is a mess with no direction & many questions up in the air.
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I agree the Broncos are the play here. They are well coached & usually are prepared to play. Baylor has tons of physical talent but the program is a mess with no direction & many questions up in the air.
Baylor program really down. The last six games they were blown out by inferior teams. They should not even be here . There coach is a lame duck and all the assistants are looking fr new jobs. Boise very easy no contest.
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Baylor program really down. The last six games they were blown out by inferior teams. They should not even be here . There coach is a lame duck and all the assistants are looking fr new jobs. Boise very easy no contest.
Baylor program really down. The last six games they were blown out by inferior teams. They should not even be here . There coach is a lame duck and all the assistants are looking fr new jobs. Boise very easy no contest.
I think Matt Rhule hire will have this program on the right track... kids know coach will be watching this game...kids will want to play hard to to show opportunity for next year....especially on the defensive side>>considering the under play...just putting myself in the shoes of the returning kids. Can see this game be decided by a score. Will take anything over 7 in this game for now.
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Quote Originally Posted by Zook:
Baylor program really down. The last six games they were blown out by inferior teams. They should not even be here . There coach is a lame duck and all the assistants are looking fr new jobs. Boise very easy no contest.
I think Matt Rhule hire will have this program on the right track... kids know coach will be watching this game...kids will want to play hard to to show opportunity for next year....especially on the defensive side>>considering the under play...just putting myself in the shoes of the returning kids. Can see this game be decided by a score. Will take anything over 7 in this game for now.
Computers show Boise state by 17. It's Boise or no play. They are nowhere near each other in the S/P... and they have such a terrible qb, there 3rd string playing
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Computers show Boise state by 17. It's Boise or no play. They are nowhere near each other in the S/P... and they have such a terrible qb, there 3rd string playing
Boise has just as much talent as Baylor. Boise beat Washington State, which is a comparable team to Baylor.
Agree, but Cougars lost to FCS -Eastern Wash the week before. Not really the confidence booster kids would look for going into Boise. If Cougs went into Baylor after losing to an FCS team, Bears would have probably have the same or better outcome as Boise...Cougs lost by 3 in that game vs Boise in Boise...1st quarter, out scored 14-0...2nd-4th quarter, Cougs out scored Boise 28-17.
My lean is still Baylor plus points, and small ML...
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Quote Originally Posted by davemsh:
Boise has just as much talent as Baylor. Boise beat Washington State, which is a comparable team to Baylor.
Agree, but Cougars lost to FCS -Eastern Wash the week before. Not really the confidence booster kids would look for going into Boise. If Cougs went into Baylor after losing to an FCS team, Bears would have probably have the same or better outcome as Boise...Cougs lost by 3 in that game vs Boise in Boise...1st quarter, out scored 14-0...2nd-4th quarter, Cougs out scored Boise 28-17.
My lean is still Baylor plus points, and small ML...
Boise has just as much talent as Baylor. Boise beat Washington State, which is a comparable team to Baylor.
I think this game will be decided on who can stop the run..Boise State #68 in run defense and #96 for Baylor. If Baylor can hold down McNichols for around 100 yards...who declared for NFL draft...why push yourself and possibly get hurt...guessing Baylor is at least even with these scenarios in the run category..
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Quote Originally Posted by davemsh:
Boise has just as much talent as Baylor. Boise beat Washington State, which is a comparable team to Baylor.
I think this game will be decided on who can stop the run..Boise State #68 in run defense and #96 for Baylor. If Baylor can hold down McNichols for around 100 yards...who declared for NFL draft...why push yourself and possibly get hurt...guessing Baylor is at least even with these scenarios in the run category..
Baylor has better talent... But the question will be IF they show up. They quit mid season but showed some life and heart against WV. Still lost the game but at least it was something. But the question here will be how the month layoff and the new coaching hire will affect these guys. Playing in the Cactus Bowl was not a preseason goal of theirs. However, if they want to play, they can easily win this game. But motivation is the key here imo...
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Baylor has better talent... But the question will be IF they show up. They quit mid season but showed some life and heart against WV. Still lost the game but at least it was something. But the question here will be how the month layoff and the new coaching hire will affect these guys. Playing in the Cactus Bowl was not a preseason goal of theirs. However, if they want to play, they can easily win this game. But motivation is the key here imo...
Take Boise and give the points and then go night night. The Baylor Bears packed it in beginning of the season. They have 1 quality win this year.
They beat OK. St in Waco. That is it.
Other victories: Northwestern St, Rice, SMU, Iowa St (barely) and Kansas.
Word out of Waco is the team has completely packed it in on the goofball coach Grobe.
They put up a good fight versus WVU in West Virginia last weekend. Not sure if they were pissed at being 18 point dogs or what.
Boise seems to like that Benny Hill Razzle Dazzle crap that Baylor will never stop. You know the three reverse handoffs in the backfield that Baylor will never stop. I feel a Stagger Lee or two in the Boise playbook as well.
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I wrote this in another thread so here goes:
Take Boise and give the points and then go night night. The Baylor Bears packed it in beginning of the season. They have 1 quality win this year.
They beat OK. St in Waco. That is it.
Other victories: Northwestern St, Rice, SMU, Iowa St (barely) and Kansas.
Word out of Waco is the team has completely packed it in on the goofball coach Grobe.
They put up a good fight versus WVU in West Virginia last weekend. Not sure if they were pissed at being 18 point dogs or what.
Boise seems to like that Benny Hill Razzle Dazzle crap that Baylor will never stop. You know the three reverse handoffs in the backfield that Baylor will never stop. I feel a Stagger Lee or two in the Boise playbook as well.
I am a big MW fan, in particular Boise St and Nevada, and I agree that Baylor could easily win this game SU. Baylor had a great bowl performance as an underdog last year vs UNC. I think this is a really tough game to get a handle on...
I disagree with Sabanesque that Baylor has an advantage on the LOS... Baylor has a bad offensive and defensive line. Baylor had a very good OLine and Dline last year, but they lost those players, and have had a very tough time replacing them. IMO Andrew Billings was the best DT in the BIG 12, Shawn Oakman was a solid college player, and Spencer Drango was great for Baylor. They also lost Corey Coleman, Xavier Howard, Rico Geathers, and the 400 lbs TE I cant think of.
Boise ST graduated most of their defensive line, but I think Boise State has an advantage on the offensive line, and TE. They also have a better offense with Mcnicohls, Rypien, Wilson, Spurbeck, and Anderson.
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I am a big MW fan, in particular Boise St and Nevada, and I agree that Baylor could easily win this game SU. Baylor had a great bowl performance as an underdog last year vs UNC. I think this is a really tough game to get a handle on...
I disagree with Sabanesque that Baylor has an advantage on the LOS... Baylor has a bad offensive and defensive line. Baylor had a very good OLine and Dline last year, but they lost those players, and have had a very tough time replacing them. IMO Andrew Billings was the best DT in the BIG 12, Shawn Oakman was a solid college player, and Spencer Drango was great for Baylor. They also lost Corey Coleman, Xavier Howard, Rico Geathers, and the 400 lbs TE I cant think of.
Boise ST graduated most of their defensive line, but I think Boise State has an advantage on the offensive line, and TE. They also have a better offense with Mcnicohls, Rypien, Wilson, Spurbeck, and Anderson.
I will just say this and I am really not trying to offend anyone. But it seems a lot of you are in love with what Baylor was under Art Briles. You just remember that incredible offense and a team that would have been in the final 4 in 2014, if it were not for the fact that Ohio St. fans travel in the hundreds of thousands.
You don't see the team week to week like someone myself. You don't live in Texas and you talk to fellow alumni who still live in Waco and listen to sports radio, the local news, etc... I am not saying that is answer to capping a matchup. I am just saying that while I am sure this team could beat Boise.....you would be absolutely insane to bet on it.
There is a better chance this bowl game will look like the Texas Tech game as opposed to the West Virginia game. I am just saying I would not bet one dime on a team in as much disarray as the Baylor Bears. The point spread seems pretty fair. In a hypothetical, I would guess Boise would cover 2 out 3 times they played.
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I will just say this and I am really not trying to offend anyone. But it seems a lot of you are in love with what Baylor was under Art Briles. You just remember that incredible offense and a team that would have been in the final 4 in 2014, if it were not for the fact that Ohio St. fans travel in the hundreds of thousands.
You don't see the team week to week like someone myself. You don't live in Texas and you talk to fellow alumni who still live in Waco and listen to sports radio, the local news, etc... I am not saying that is answer to capping a matchup. I am just saying that while I am sure this team could beat Boise.....you would be absolutely insane to bet on it.
There is a better chance this bowl game will look like the Texas Tech game as opposed to the West Virginia game. I am just saying I would not bet one dime on a team in as much disarray as the Baylor Bears. The point spread seems pretty fair. In a hypothetical, I would guess Boise would cover 2 out 3 times they played.
I get the disdain for Baylor. They fell off a cliff this season. They are clearly not as good as years past. But they aren't nearly as bad as their record, stats or performances this year have shown. Not talent wise anyway.
But that aside, I don't know what there is to like about Boise LAYING 7.5. That defense has been exposed, by less talented teams. And while the offense has been good at times, this will be a step up with Baylor, outside of a few teams they've played (Utah St, maybe Wash st.). Call me crazy I guess for thinking that, I just don't see it....
If Baylor shows up, and maybe that's a big if, I could see them score 40+.
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I get the disdain for Baylor. They fell off a cliff this season. They are clearly not as good as years past. But they aren't nearly as bad as their record, stats or performances this year have shown. Not talent wise anyway.
But that aside, I don't know what there is to like about Boise LAYING 7.5. That defense has been exposed, by less talented teams. And while the offense has been good at times, this will be a step up with Baylor, outside of a few teams they've played (Utah St, maybe Wash st.). Call me crazy I guess for thinking that, I just don't see it....
If Baylor shows up, and maybe that's a big if, I could see them score 40+.
I get the disdain for Baylor. They fell off a cliff this season. They are clearly not as good as years past. But they aren't nearly as bad as their record, stats or performances this year have shown. Not talent wise anyway.
But that aside, I don't know what there is to like about Boise LAYING 7.5. That defense has been exposed, by less talented teams. And while the offense has been good at times, this will be a step up with Baylor, outside of a few teams they've played (Utah St, maybe Wash st.). Call me crazy I guess for thinking that, I just don't see it....
If Baylor shows up, and maybe that's a big if, I could see them score 40+.
Like I said this game I think will mirror the Texas Tech game. Tech quiet possibly has the worst defense ever? But Tech had a QB who just loves to play. A coach that loves to coach. Tech blew out Baylor. The score was no indication of the actual beatdown.
I just see Baylor going through the motions and Boise respecting the Cactus Bowl and treating it like the Rose Bowl.
I think that is where the 7.5 comes from.
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Quote Originally Posted by wheaty :
I get the disdain for Baylor. They fell off a cliff this season. They are clearly not as good as years past. But they aren't nearly as bad as their record, stats or performances this year have shown. Not talent wise anyway.
But that aside, I don't know what there is to like about Boise LAYING 7.5. That defense has been exposed, by less talented teams. And while the offense has been good at times, this will be a step up with Baylor, outside of a few teams they've played (Utah St, maybe Wash st.). Call me crazy I guess for thinking that, I just don't see it....
If Baylor shows up, and maybe that's a big if, I could see them score 40+.
Like I said this game I think will mirror the Texas Tech game. Tech quiet possibly has the worst defense ever? But Tech had a QB who just loves to play. A coach that loves to coach. Tech blew out Baylor. The score was no indication of the actual beatdown.
I just see Baylor going through the motions and Boise respecting the Cactus Bowl and treating it like the Rose Bowl.
I think Matt Rhule hire will have this program on the right track... kids know coach will be watching this game...kids will want to play hard to to show opportunity for next year....especially on the defensive side>>considering the under play...just putting myself in the shoes of the returning kids. Can see this game be decided by a score. Will take anything over 7 in this game for now.
This is a very important component to this cap.
Will the players be invigorated by such a quality HC hire making returning players play harder as a resume builder when he comes in? I definitely think the hire hurt the Boise side on a psychological level, even though he's not coaching the game.
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Quote Originally Posted by LB_Dirtbags:
I think Matt Rhule hire will have this program on the right track... kids know coach will be watching this game...kids will want to play hard to to show opportunity for next year....especially on the defensive side>>considering the under play...just putting myself in the shoes of the returning kids. Can see this game be decided by a score. Will take anything over 7 in this game for now.
This is a very important component to this cap.
Will the players be invigorated by such a quality HC hire making returning players play harder as a resume builder when he comes in? I definitely think the hire hurt the Boise side on a psychological level, even though he's not coaching the game.
Will the players be invigorated by such a quality HC hire making returning players play harder as a resume builder when he comes in? I definitely think the hire hurt the Boise side on a psychological level, even though he's not coaching the game.
See, that's my BIGGEST question about this game. Will the guys respond positively to this hire?? I think they probably will. But it could go the other way since he's a different style than they were recruited into. But I'm betting that the hire bring some much much needed stability. We'll see the reports that come out closer to the game. Hopefully I see what I'm looking for.
Scal
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Quote Originally Posted by scalabrine:
This is a very important component to this cap.
Will the players be invigorated by such a quality HC hire making returning players play harder as a resume builder when he comes in? I definitely think the hire hurt the Boise side on a psychological level, even though he's not coaching the game.
See, that's my BIGGEST question about this game. Will the guys respond positively to this hire?? I think they probably will. But it could go the other way since he's a different style than they were recruited into. But I'm betting that the hire bring some much much needed stability. We'll see the reports that come out closer to the game. Hopefully I see what I'm looking for.
See, that's my BIGGEST question about this game. Will the guys respond positively to this hire?? I think they probably will. But it could go the other way since he's a different style than they were recruited into. But I'm betting that the hire bring some much much needed stability. We'll see the reports that come out closer to the game. Hopefully I see what I'm looking for.
Scal
I absolutely LOVE the hire. It is a home run.
I don't see how the players think otherwise. This is a new beginning with a new coach and clean slate from scandal. I'd want Rhule to somehow be on campus or in the stands for the game. I don't know how that works contractually but that is a big bonus to a Baylor backer.
I can't see how the players think otherwise. Temple is historically one of the worst college football programs of all time in a major conference. If Rhule can bring a winning culture to Temple without the personnel, he can certainly bring it to Baylor with the facilities, resources, and recruits. I can't see how the players don't think otherwise.
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Quote Originally Posted by wheaty :
See, that's my BIGGEST question about this game. Will the guys respond positively to this hire?? I think they probably will. But it could go the other way since he's a different style than they were recruited into. But I'm betting that the hire bring some much much needed stability. We'll see the reports that come out closer to the game. Hopefully I see what I'm looking for.
Scal
I absolutely LOVE the hire. It is a home run.
I don't see how the players think otherwise. This is a new beginning with a new coach and clean slate from scandal. I'd want Rhule to somehow be on campus or in the stands for the game. I don't know how that works contractually but that is a big bonus to a Baylor backer.
I can't see how the players think otherwise. Temple is historically one of the worst college football programs of all time in a major conference. If Rhule can bring a winning culture to Temple without the personnel, he can certainly bring it to Baylor with the facilities, resources, and recruits. I can't see how the players don't think otherwise.
I don't see how the players think otherwise. This is a new beginning with a new coach and clean slate from scandal. I'd want Rhule to somehow be on campus or in the stands for the game. I don't know how that works contractually but that is a big bonus to a Baylor backer.
I can't see how the players think otherwise. Temple is historically one of the worst college football programs of all time in a major conference. If Rhule can bring a winning culture to Temple without the personnel, he can certainly bring it to Baylor with the facilities, resources, and recruits. I can't see how the players don't think otherwise.
I love the hire as well. And like I said, I think it will have a positive impact on the players. I'm hoping he can get in the locker room or on the sideline but I'm pretty sure that would violate something...
I just meant from a strictly x's and o's view, some of those Baylor players were brought in thinking they were playing a certain style of football. They aren't anymore. While I don't think that will play a part here, I was just trying to play devil's advocate. As a former player, having to play a system that I didn't fit, it was frustrating. But those dudes have been in such a shiitty situation with a coach that was completely wrong for them, I think the coaching hire will have a tremendous positive impact on this team.
I love Baylor in this game.
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Quote Originally Posted by scalabrine:
I absolutely LOVE the hire. It is a home run.
I don't see how the players think otherwise. This is a new beginning with a new coach and clean slate from scandal. I'd want Rhule to somehow be on campus or in the stands for the game. I don't know how that works contractually but that is a big bonus to a Baylor backer.
I can't see how the players think otherwise. Temple is historically one of the worst college football programs of all time in a major conference. If Rhule can bring a winning culture to Temple without the personnel, he can certainly bring it to Baylor with the facilities, resources, and recruits. I can't see how the players don't think otherwise.
I love the hire as well. And like I said, I think it will have a positive impact on the players. I'm hoping he can get in the locker room or on the sideline but I'm pretty sure that would violate something...
I just meant from a strictly x's and o's view, some of those Baylor players were brought in thinking they were playing a certain style of football. They aren't anymore. While I don't think that will play a part here, I was just trying to play devil's advocate. As a former player, having to play a system that I didn't fit, it was frustrating. But those dudes have been in such a shiitty situation with a coach that was completely wrong for them, I think the coaching hire will have a tremendous positive impact on this team.
Rhule is brining in 3 well known Texas high school football coaches into his program...on top of that, lhe's also bringing his defensive coaches from Temple. Great execution by the coach in getting local players to sign. This will be a great program for years to come.
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Rhule is brining in 3 well known Texas high school football coaches into his program...on top of that, lhe's also bringing his defensive coaches from Temple. Great execution by the coach in getting local players to sign. This will be a great program for years to come.
Some interesting comments from coach and current players. Think these existing players will come to play vs Boise. Ultimately, they're making a bad 1st impression if they slack off vs Boise. Will this game be close? Does it have low scoring written all over it??? All signs point that it will...
Coach Rhule:
"It’s not about the system to me. It’s about what the players can do, and the quarterback.”
at the end of the day we’re going to make sure we take the right kids and the kids that fit Baylor and what we’re doing. There aren’t many guys committed right now, but kids are reaching out left and right. Kids that committed other places, they want to come to Baylor.”
From the players:
“For the whole team, of course it’s going to bring change,” said Baylor junior nickelback Travon Blanchard. “Right now, the team is pretty optimistic about the new coach. We’re willing to give him a chance and see what he’s about. After all the X’s and O’s are drawn, you win with good offense, good defense and good special teams. We’re excited to see what he brings.”
The Baylor players liked the message Rhule brought about playing a hard, physical brand of football.
“I just like the message he came with – competing every day and hard work are the basics of football,” said Baylor junior defensive lineman K.J. Smith. “So I’m ready to get to work, really. He said he likes to develop players and help them, not just in football but in life and everything like that. That’s what he has in common with Art Briles is family, and I appreciate him for that.”
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Some interesting comments from coach and current players. Think these existing players will come to play vs Boise. Ultimately, they're making a bad 1st impression if they slack off vs Boise. Will this game be close? Does it have low scoring written all over it??? All signs point that it will...
Coach Rhule:
"It’s not about the system to me. It’s about what the players can do, and the quarterback.”
at the end of the day we’re going to make sure we take the right kids and the kids that fit Baylor and what we’re doing. There aren’t many guys committed right now, but kids are reaching out left and right. Kids that committed other places, they want to come to Baylor.”
From the players:
“For the whole team, of course it’s going to bring change,” said Baylor junior nickelback Travon Blanchard. “Right now, the team is pretty optimistic about the new coach. We’re willing to give him a chance and see what he’s about. After all the X’s and O’s are drawn, you win with good offense, good defense and good special teams. We’re excited to see what he brings.”
The Baylor players liked the message Rhule brought about playing a hard, physical brand of football.
“I just like the message he came with – competing every day and hard work are the basics of football,” said Baylor junior defensive lineman K.J. Smith. “So I’m ready to get to work, really. He said he likes to develop players and help them, not just in football but in life and everything like that. That’s what he has in common with Art Briles is family, and I appreciate him for that.”
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