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    Posted: Oct. 22, 2014 - 12:26 AM ET #26

    Quote Originally Posted by Day-trader1:



    you can't be seriously this dumb bro

    Yes call me dumb and offer no reasoning why you disagree. You would make a great lawyer. Morons like you prevent any sort of evolution. Please don't procreate you mouthbreather. Anyone care to have a respectable debate on this topic. I've been wrong many a time over a wide array of topics and am willing to concede when I am wrong so I seriously welcome some discourse on this topic rather than "ahh you are so stupid"
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    you can't be seriously this dumb bro

    Yes call me dumb and offer no reasoning why you disagree. You would make a great lawyer. Morons like you prevent any sort of evolution. Please don't procreate you mouthbreather. Anyone care to have a respectable debate on this topic. I've been wrong many a time over a wide array of topics and am willing to concede when I am wrong so I seriously welcome some discourse on this topic rather than "ahh you are so stupid"
     
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    Posted: Oct. 22, 2014 - 12:32 AM ET #27

    Quote Originally Posted by JLourenco:

    https://www.footballperspective.com/trailing-by-15-in-the-middle-of-the-4th-quarter-teams-are-foolish-to-not-go-for-2-after-touchdowns/
     

    I certainly agree that it isn't as clear cut as some of the chukklefukks in this thread seem to advocate, and I do think the author here makes some valid points for going for 2 on the first TD when down 15.......I think one critical point he misses is the psychological impact on the other team of kicking the XP and them believing that turning they are only ahead by one possession...I think that impacts the playcalling and intensity of the situation....there are a lot of great coaches that firmly believe that exerting as much pressure as possible on the other team to execute under the gun is key.....games are often lost as opposed to won....the "one possession" theory combines momentum and pressure to exert pressure on the other team to perform, or risk a tie scoring drive......my 2 cents

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    Quote Originally Posted by JLourenco:

    https://www.footballperspective.com/trailing-by-15-in-the-middle-of-the-4th-quarter-teams-are-foolish-to-not-go-for-2-after-touchdowns/
     

    I certainly agree that it isn't as clear cut as some of the chukklefukks in this thread seem to advocate, and I do think the author here makes some valid points for going for 2 on the first TD when down 15.......I think one critical point he misses is the psychological impact on the other team of kicking the XP and them believing that turning they are only ahead by one possession...I think that impacts the playcalling and intensity of the situation....there are a lot of great coaches that firmly believe that exerting as much pressure as possible on the other team to execute under the gun is key.....games are often lost as opposed to won....the "one possession" theory combines momentum and pressure to exert pressure on the other team to perform, or risk a tie scoring drive......my 2 cents

     
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    Posted: Oct. 22, 2014 - 12:33 AM ET #28

    Quote Originally Posted by chaloots:

    For phucks sake please wake up, it doesn't imply that you are going to make the 2 point conversion, it implies that you make it a 1 possession game with 5 minutes left and give yourself a legit chance to play defense and get the ball back. You kick the extra point there, you kick the ball deep and you play defense and try and get decent field position for your next and possibly final drive. If you really don't understand that I can't help you. You don't even need to understand football to understand the thinking behind what everyone is telling you.

    Goal of the game is not to keep it a 1 possession game , it is to WIN the game. In order to win they needed a 2 pt conversion ergo the implication that they needed a 2 pt conversion at some point
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    Quote Originally Posted by chaloots:

    For phucks sake please wake up, it doesn't imply that you are going to make the 2 point conversion, it implies that you make it a 1 possession game with 5 minutes left and give yourself a legit chance to play defense and get the ball back. You kick the extra point there, you kick the ball deep and you play defense and try and get decent field position for your next and possibly final drive. If you really don't understand that I can't help you. You don't even need to understand football to understand the thinking behind what everyone is telling you.

    Goal of the game is not to keep it a 1 possession game , it is to WIN the game. In order to win they needed a 2 pt conversion ergo the implication that they needed a 2 pt conversion at some point
     
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    Posted: Oct. 22, 2014 - 12:36 AM ET #29

    Quote Originally Posted by JLourenco:


    Goal of the game is not to keep it a 1 possession game , it is to WIN the game. In order to win they needed a 2 pt conversion ergo the implication that they needed a 2 pt conversion at some point
    Ok, you are correct, enjoy life wearing a helmet and holding a drool cup.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JLourenco:


    Goal of the game is not to keep it a 1 possession game , it is to WIN the game. In order to win they needed a 2 pt conversion ergo the implication that they needed a 2 pt conversion at some point
    Ok, you are correct, enjoy life wearing a helmet and holding a drool cup.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 22, 2014 - 12:36 AM ET #30

    sure... lets dissect this.. In order for the game to continue, you must kick the extra point when down 9 points... there is limited time left in the game... If you go for 2 and miss, you are at a major disadvantage statistically... the odds are stacked against you that you get the ball back.. I believe on side kicks are about 30-40% success...  you LET THE GAME CONTINUE.. you don't go for 2... please tell me what the chances of getting the ball back twice is... I bet you its very low probability.. so you're in essence playing with statistics... you significantly reduce your odds of winning by going for 2... chances of converting the 2 point conversion is like below 50% statistically.. so why the FCK would you try to do it twice????????? THINK MAN!!!

    Hope this makes sense... if you didn't understand anything, the take home message is....

    YOU LET THE FCKING GAME CONTINUE... you don't bury yourself...
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    sure... lets dissect this.. In order for the game to continue, you must kick the extra point when down 9 points... there is limited time left in the game... If you go for 2 and miss, you are at a major disadvantage statistically... the odds are stacked against you that you get the ball back.. I believe on side kicks are about 30-40% success...  you LET THE GAME CONTINUE.. you don't go for 2... please tell me what the chances of getting the ball back twice is... I bet you its very low probability.. so you're in essence playing with statistics... you significantly reduce your odds of winning by going for 2... chances of converting the 2 point conversion is like below 50% statistically.. so why the FCK would you try to do it twice????????? THINK MAN!!!

    Hope this makes sense... if you didn't understand anything, the take home message is....

    YOU LET THE FCKING GAME CONTINUE... you don't bury yourself...
     
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    Posted: Oct. 22, 2014 - 12:37 AM ET #31

    Quote Originally Posted by jimmymo:

    I certainly agree that it isn't as clear cut as some of the chukklefukks in this thread seem to advocate, and I do think the author here makes some valid points for going for 2 on the first TD when down 15.......I think one critical point he misses is the psychological impact on the other team of kicking the XP and them believing that turning they are only ahead by one possession...I think that impacts the playcalling and intensity of the situation....there are a lot of great coaches that firmly believe that exerting as much pressure as possible on the other team to execute under the gun is key.....games are often lost as opposed to won....the "one possession" theory combines momentum and pressure to exert pressure on the other team to perform, or risk a tie scoring drive......my 2 cents


    Finally a counter point and yes I do agree this definitely carries weight and can make this decision for some an opinion between 1 or the other rather than "my daddy said so, so I will just follow suit"

    Thanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimmymo:

    I certainly agree that it isn't as clear cut as some of the chukklefukks in this thread seem to advocate, and I do think the author here makes some valid points for going for 2 on the first TD when down 15.......I think one critical point he misses is the psychological impact on the other team of kicking the XP and them believing that turning they are only ahead by one possession...I think that impacts the playcalling and intensity of the situation....there are a lot of great coaches that firmly believe that exerting as much pressure as possible on the other team to execute under the gun is key.....games are often lost as opposed to won....the "one possession" theory combines momentum and pressure to exert pressure on the other team to perform, or risk a tie scoring drive......my 2 cents


    Finally a counter point and yes I do agree this definitely carries weight and can make this decision for some an opinion between 1 or the other rather than "my daddy said so, so I will just follow suit"

    Thanks
     
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    Posted: Oct. 22, 2014 - 12:41 AM ET #32

    Quote Originally Posted by Day-trader1:

    sure... lets dissect this.. In order for the game to continue, you must kick the extra point when down 9 points... there is limited time left in the game... If you go for 2 and miss, you are at a major disadvantage statistically... the odds are stacked against you that you get the ball back.. I believe on side kicks are about 30-40% success...  you LET THE GAME CONTINUE.. you don't go for 2... please tell me what the chances of getting the ball back twice is... I bet you its very low probability.. so you're in essence playing with statistics... you significantly reduce your odds of winning by going for 2... chances of converting the 2 point conversion is like below 50% statistically.. so why the FCK would you try to do it twice????????? THINK MAN!!!

    Hope this makes sense... if you didn't understand anything, the take home message is....

    YOU LET THE FCKING GAME CONTINUE... you don't bury yourself...

    To be clear, the author is NOT advocating going for 2 on both TDs....you go for 2 on the first TD and then kick the XP on the second to tie.....one point the author makes is that if you miss the 2 point conversion (regardless of whether on the first or second TD), you are pretty much fukked.......if you try on the first and miss, then at least you can try to figure out a way to overcome the miss

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    Quote Originally Posted by Day-trader1:

    sure... lets dissect this.. In order for the game to continue, you must kick the extra point when down 9 points... there is limited time left in the game... If you go for 2 and miss, you are at a major disadvantage statistically... the odds are stacked against you that you get the ball back.. I believe on side kicks are about 30-40% success...  you LET THE GAME CONTINUE.. you don't go for 2... please tell me what the chances of getting the ball back twice is... I bet you its very low probability.. so you're in essence playing with statistics... you significantly reduce your odds of winning by going for 2... chances of converting the 2 point conversion is like below 50% statistically.. so why the FCK would you try to do it twice????????? THINK MAN!!!

    Hope this makes sense... if you didn't understand anything, the take home message is....

    YOU LET THE FCKING GAME CONTINUE... you don't bury yourself...

    To be clear, the author is NOT advocating going for 2 on both TDs....you go for 2 on the first TD and then kick the XP on the second to tie.....one point the author makes is that if you miss the 2 point conversion (regardless of whether on the first or second TD), you are pretty much fukked.......if you try on the first and miss, then at least you can try to figure out a way to overcome the miss

     
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    Posted: Oct. 22, 2014 - 12:41 AM ET #33

    Quote Originally Posted by JLourenco:


    Goal of the game is not to keep it a 1 possession game , it is to WIN the game. In order to win they needed a 2 pt conversion ergo the implication that they needed a 2 pt conversion at some point

    Please look up the probability of converting a 2 point conversion... I bet you its less than 45%.. If it is, then why would you risk doing it 2x if you miss the first attempt... you're at a major disadvantage... LOOK IT UP
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    Quote Originally Posted by JLourenco:


    Goal of the game is not to keep it a 1 possession game , it is to WIN the game. In order to win they needed a 2 pt conversion ergo the implication that they needed a 2 pt conversion at some point

    Please look up the probability of converting a 2 point conversion... I bet you its less than 45%.. If it is, then why would you risk doing it 2x if you miss the first attempt... you're at a major disadvantage... LOOK IT UP
     
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    Posted: Oct. 22, 2014 - 12:42 AM ET #34

    Quote Originally Posted by Day-trader1:

    sure... lets dissect this.. In order for the game to continue, you must kick the extra point when down 9 points... there is limited time left in the game... If you go for 2 and miss, you are at a major disadvantage statistically... the odds are stacked against you that you get the ball back.. I believe on side kicks are about 30-40% success...  you LET THE GAME CONTINUE.. you don't go for 2... please tell me what the chances of getting the ball back twice is... I bet you its very low probability.. so you're in essence playing with statistics... you significantly reduce your odds of winning by going for 2... chances of converting the 2 point conversion is like below 50% statistically.. so why the FCK would you try to do it twice????????? THINK MAN!!!

    Hope this makes sense... if you didn't understand anything, the take home message is....

    YOU LET THE FCKING GAME CONTINUE... you don't bury yourself...

    Ok I understand this and I will restate both sides. Chances of going for 2, missing and getting the ball back twice to win the game is limited, very much so. My counterpoint: kicking and being down 8, getting ball back scoring TD and then missing that 2 pt conversion with seconds left? Chances are much much much less from the previous sh!tty chances to win the game in this situation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Day-trader1:

    sure... lets dissect this.. In order for the game to continue, you must kick the extra point when down 9 points... there is limited time left in the game... If you go for 2 and miss, you are at a major disadvantage statistically... the odds are stacked against you that you get the ball back.. I believe on side kicks are about 30-40% success...  you LET THE GAME CONTINUE.. you don't go for 2... please tell me what the chances of getting the ball back twice is... I bet you its very low probability.. so you're in essence playing with statistics... you significantly reduce your odds of winning by going for 2... chances of converting the 2 point conversion is like below 50% statistically.. so why the FCK would you try to do it twice????????? THINK MAN!!!

    Hope this makes sense... if you didn't understand anything, the take home message is....

    YOU LET THE FCKING GAME CONTINUE... you don't bury yourself...

    Ok I understand this and I will restate both sides. Chances of going for 2, missing and getting the ball back twice to win the game is limited, very much so. My counterpoint: kicking and being down 8, getting ball back scoring TD and then missing that 2 pt conversion with seconds left? Chances are much much much less from the previous sh!tty chances to win the game in this situation.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 22, 2014 - 12:44 AM ET #35

    Quote Originally Posted by jimmymo:

    To be clear, the author is NOT advocating going for 2 on both TDs....you go for 2 on the first TD and then kick the XP on the second to tie.....one point the author makes is that if you miss the 2 point conversion (regardless of whether on the first or second TD), you are pretty much fukked.......if you try on the first and miss, then at least you can try to figure out a way to overcome the miss


    ok.. now I am convinced you really have no clue... Sorry.. Can't discuss this anymore... you are clueless... have a good night... 
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimmymo:

    To be clear, the author is NOT advocating going for 2 on both TDs....you go for 2 on the first TD and then kick the XP on the second to tie.....one point the author makes is that if you miss the 2 point conversion (regardless of whether on the first or second TD), you are pretty much fukked.......if you try on the first and miss, then at least you can try to figure out a way to overcome the miss


    ok.. now I am convinced you really have no clue... Sorry.. Can't discuss this anymore... you are clueless... have a good night... 
     
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    Posted: Oct. 22, 2014 - 12:46 AM ET #36

    Quote Originally Posted by Day-trader1:


    Please look up the probability of converting a 2 point conversion... I bet you its less than 45%.. If it is, then why would you risk doing it 2x if you miss the first attempt... you're at a major disadvantage... LOOK IT UP

    I respect you opinion but I think you are saying u am advocating going for 2 twice which I am not. Only once on the first try is my position. To make the comparison apples to apples you should assume the outcome of the 2 pt conversion will be the same in either scenario. Converting either is a pointless debate. But missing the 1st is much better than missing the 2nd is my point. And to the stat you brought up it's highly unlikely you make it so the idea of knowing you need an additional possession is information you want to know sooner than later
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    Please look up the probability of converting a 2 point conversion... I bet you its less than 45%.. If it is, then why would you risk doing it 2x if you miss the first attempt... you're at a major disadvantage... LOOK IT UP

    I respect you opinion but I think you are saying u am advocating going for 2 twice which I am not. Only once on the first try is my position. To make the comparison apples to apples you should assume the outcome of the 2 pt conversion will be the same in either scenario. Converting either is a pointless debate. But missing the 1st is much better than missing the 2nd is my point. And to the stat you brought up it's highly unlikely you make it so the idea of knowing you need an additional possession is information you want to know sooner than later
     
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    Finally a counter point and yes I do agree this definitely carries weight and can make this decision for some an opinion between 1 or the other rather than "my daddy said so, so I will just follow suit"

    Thanks

    My pleasure.....its actually an interesting topic......and remember this, you can never underestimate the pure stupidity of the folks that post at this place..

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    Finally a counter point and yes I do agree this definitely carries weight and can make this decision for some an opinion between 1 or the other rather than "my daddy said so, so I will just follow suit"

    Thanks

    My pleasure.....its actually an interesting topic......and remember this, you can never underestimate the pure stupidity of the folks that post at this place..

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by chaloots:

    Ok, you are correct, enjoy life wearing a helmet and holding a drool cup.

    Another Rhode scholar here. Why not provide some insight into this topic sir.. Errr I mean f@ckface. Yeah that makes me feel better to insult you
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    Ok, you are correct, enjoy life wearing a helmet and holding a drool cup.

    Another Rhode scholar here. Why not provide some insight into this topic sir.. Errr I mean f@ckface. Yeah that makes me feel better to insult you
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimmymo:

    My pleasure.....its actually an interesting topic......and remember this, you can never underestimate the pure stupidity of the folks that post at this place..


    Typical schoolyard debating. 

    "You are wrong about this because of this fact or that articulated opinion" 

    Mouthbreather: "yeah well your face looks like your butt"<high fives ensue> 


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    My pleasure.....its actually an interesting topic......and remember this, you can never underestimate the pure stupidity of the folks that post at this place..


    Typical schoolyard debating. 

    "You are wrong about this because of this fact or that articulated opinion" 

    Mouthbreather: "yeah well your face looks like your butt"<high fives ensue> 


     
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    Yes call me dumb and offer no reasoning why you disagree. You would make a great lawyer. Morons like you prevent any sort of evolution. Please don't procreate you mouthbreather. Anyone care to have a respectable debate on this topic. I've been wrong many a time over a wide array of topics and am willing to concede when I am wrong so I seriously welcome some discourse on this topic rather than "ahh you are so stupid"

    Can't believe I wasted my time trying to explain this to you... Its truly amazing on how many clowns are on this website... for you to say the author doesn't advocate to go for it after the first successful 2 point conversion is comical... 

    I'm done with you... mouth breather huh? procreate? your mother should've swallowed bro... 
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    Yes call me dumb and offer no reasoning why you disagree. You would make a great lawyer. Morons like you prevent any sort of evolution. Please don't procreate you mouthbreather. Anyone care to have a respectable debate on this topic. I've been wrong many a time over a wide array of topics and am willing to concede when I am wrong so I seriously welcome some discourse on this topic rather than "ahh you are so stupid"

    Can't believe I wasted my time trying to explain this to you... Its truly amazing on how many clowns are on this website... for you to say the author doesn't advocate to go for it after the first successful 2 point conversion is comical... 

    I'm done with you... mouth breather huh? procreate? your mother should've swallowed bro... 
     
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    Football, and especially college is all about momentum. you take the extra point to keep the spirits and moral of a team alive. I saw you took a quote from whatever link you posted. It read something like " how demoralizing would it be to not get a 2 point conversion with 5 seconds left".... how does this make sense too you ? lol  its worse in my book when you are getting out coached, you alway try and make it a one score game, there isn't any question about it. the coach made it a two score game when he had *key word* the OPPORTUNITY to only be trailing by 8. stop trying to justify one of the worst collegiate coaching performance i've ever seen in my life. 
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    Football, and especially college is all about momentum. you take the extra point to keep the spirits and moral of a team alive. I saw you took a quote from whatever link you posted. It read something like " how demoralizing would it be to not get a 2 point conversion with 5 seconds left".... how does this make sense too you ? lol  its worse in my book when you are getting out coached, you alway try and make it a one score game, there isn't any question about it. the coach made it a two score game when he had *key word* the OPPORTUNITY to only be trailing by 8. stop trying to justify one of the worst collegiate coaching performance i've ever seen in my life. 
     
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    Doesn't even realize we aren't the same person. And again my opinion is also shared by ol ball coach steve spurrier. But what does he know about college football. You should give him a lesson on the subject and maybe he could help you out with your salt to fry ratio at Burger King. Have a good one
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    Doesn't even realize we aren't the same person. And again my opinion is also shared by ol ball coach steve spurrier. But what does he know about college football. You should give him a lesson on the subject and maybe he could help you out with your salt to fry ratio at Burger King. Have a good one
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by ayebay43:

    Football, and especially college is all about momentum. you take the extra point to keep the spirits and moral of a team alive. I saw you took a quote from whatever link you posted. It read something like " how demoralizing would it be to not get a 2 point conversion with 5 seconds left".... how does this make sense too you ? lol  its worse in my book when you are getting out coached, you alway try and make it a one score game, there isn't any question about it. the coach made it a two score game when he had *key word* the OPPORTUNITY to only be trailing by 8. stop trying to justify one of the worst collegiate coaching performance i've ever seen in my life. 


    Yes I agree that momentum factor could push one to kick the extra point. And this coach is a absolute moron so in no way was I defending his performance tonight as a whole. Dude is a 1 trick pony

    Again I am offering an opinion that I believe holds weight . Years ago people scoffed at the idea of running a no huddle all of the time because it just wasn't right. Things evolve and not everything is always black or white. Thanks for posting ( seriously not being sarcastic)
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    Football, and especially college is all about momentum. you take the extra point to keep the spirits and moral of a team alive. I saw you took a quote from whatever link you posted. It read something like " how demoralizing would it be to not get a 2 point conversion with 5 seconds left".... how does this make sense too you ? lol  its worse in my book when you are getting out coached, you alway try and make it a one score game, there isn't any question about it. the coach made it a two score game when he had *key word* the OPPORTUNITY to only be trailing by 8. stop trying to justify one of the worst collegiate coaching performance i've ever seen in my life. 


    Yes I agree that momentum factor could push one to kick the extra point. And this coach is a absolute moron so in no way was I defending his performance tonight as a whole. Dude is a 1 trick pony

    Again I am offering an opinion that I believe holds weight . Years ago people scoffed at the idea of running a no huddle all of the time because it just wasn't right. Things evolve and not everything is always black or white. Thanks for posting ( seriously not being sarcastic)
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by JLourenco:

    Doesn't even realize we aren't the same person. And again my opinion is also shared by ol ball coach steve spurrier. But what does he know about college football. You should give him a lesson on the subject and maybe he could help you out with your salt to fry ratio at Burger King. Have a good one

    Do you have autism? or possibly Asperger's? In my profession we use evidence.. your source is from 1 football coach... your sample size is hideous... you are acting like that one moron who comes into the dr's office praising Dr Oz because he told you that green coffee beans help you lose weight... CMON MAN.. I see this everyday... THINK GOD DAMMIT


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    Doesn't even realize we aren't the same person. And again my opinion is also shared by ol ball coach steve spurrier. But what does he know about college football. You should give him a lesson on the subject and maybe he could help you out with your salt to fry ratio at Burger King. Have a good one

    Do you have autism? or possibly Asperger's? In my profession we use evidence.. your source is from 1 football coach... your sample size is hideous... you are acting like that one moron who comes into the dr's office praising Dr Oz because he told you that green coffee beans help you lose weight... CMON MAN.. I see this everyday... THINK GOD DAMMIT


     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Day-trader1:


    Do you have autism? or possibly Asperger's? In my profession we use evidence.. your source is from 1 football coach... your sample size is hideous... you are acting like that one moron who comes into the dr's office praising Dr Oz because he told you that green coffee beans help you lose weight... CMON MAN.. I see this everyday... THINK GOD DAMMIT



    Hmm thought you were done with me. Funny thing is my advice to you is to also think god damn it. Again not everything is black or white. You have an opinion and I am not here to say you are wrong but rather you are claiming your stance is fact and I am wrong. You like pizza and I like cheeseburgers, same argument in my opinion. 
    And yes my example happens to be an all time great football coach. My contention is that he and his position is not wrong. But I am not saying it's 100% fact or right. Big difference
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    Do you have autism? or possibly Asperger's? In my profession we use evidence.. your source is from 1 football coach... your sample size is hideous... you are acting like that one moron who comes into the dr's office praising Dr Oz because he told you that green coffee beans help you lose weight... CMON MAN.. I see this everyday... THINK GOD DAMMIT



    Hmm thought you were done with me. Funny thing is my advice to you is to also think god damn it. Again not everything is black or white. You have an opinion and I am not here to say you are wrong but rather you are claiming your stance is fact and I am wrong. You like pizza and I like cheeseburgers, same argument in my opinion. 
    And yes my example happens to be an all time great football coach. My contention is that he and his position is not wrong. But I am not saying it's 100% fact or right. Big difference
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by JLourenco:



    Yes I agree that momentum factor could push one to kick the extra point. And this coach is a absolute moron so in no way was I defending his performance tonight as a whole. Dude is a 1 trick pony

    Again I am offering an opinion that I believe holds weight . Years ago people scoffed at the idea of running a no huddle all of the time because it just wasn't right. Things evolve and not everything is always black or white. Thanks for posting ( seriously not being sarcastic)
    thanks for responding, I do see your point and where you're coming from, and you could just be playing devils advocate, but I honestly believe that going for two was really the wrong call. I turned the game off after that play so i can't say what happened on defense, but i wouldn't be surprised if it completely deflated the unit. they put themselves in a hole and fought back early on, but the decisions by the coach is what ultimelty cost them. 

    Also I believe the sun belt conference is being fixed right in front of our eyes, I can't understand how they weren't awarded the fumble in the first half off of the " forward progress" and i can't understand how they scored the long  touchdown  run when the play should of been whistled dead. alot of mistakes made, and a shitty job of capping done by vegas. 
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    Yes I agree that momentum factor could push one to kick the extra point. And this coach is a absolute moron so in no way was I defending his performance tonight as a whole. Dude is a 1 trick pony

    Again I am offering an opinion that I believe holds weight . Years ago people scoffed at the idea of running a no huddle all of the time because it just wasn't right. Things evolve and not everything is always black or white. Thanks for posting ( seriously not being sarcastic)
    thanks for responding, I do see your point and where you're coming from, and you could just be playing devils advocate, but I honestly believe that going for two was really the wrong call. I turned the game off after that play so i can't say what happened on defense, but i wouldn't be surprised if it completely deflated the unit. they put themselves in a hole and fought back early on, but the decisions by the coach is what ultimelty cost them. 

    Also I believe the sun belt conference is being fixed right in front of our eyes, I can't understand how they weren't awarded the fumble in the first half off of the " forward progress" and i can't understand how they scored the long  touchdown  run when the play should of been whistled dead. alot of mistakes made, and a shitty job of capping done by vegas. 
     
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    And again if you were a respectable professional, insulting people who have a different opinion would be tired game. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by ayebay43:

    thanks for responding, I do see your point and where you're coming from, and you could just be playing devils advocate, but I honestly believe that going for two was really the wrong call. I turned the game off after that play so i can't say what happened on defense, but i wouldn't be surprised if it completely deflated the unit. they put themselves in a hole and fought back early on, but the decisions by the coach is what ultimelty cost them. 

    Also I believe the sun belt conference is being fixed right in front of our eyes, I can't understand how they weren't awarded the fumble in the first half off of the " forward progress" and i can't understand how they scored the long  touchdown  run when the play should of been whistled dead. alot of mistakes made, and a shitty job of capping done by vegas. 

    Refs really blew that play and they compounded it by refusing to overturn it. Couple bad holding calls too. But the coaching was much worse. The lack of discipline was unreal on Ark St side. Had a couple opportunities to get the ball back but a dumb personal foul gave ULL a first down. Tho it was clear tonight that Broadway is much better than Knighten 
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    thanks for responding, I do see your point and where you're coming from, and you could just be playing devils advocate, but I honestly believe that going for two was really the wrong call. I turned the game off after that play so i can't say what happened on defense, but i wouldn't be surprised if it completely deflated the unit. they put themselves in a hole and fought back early on, but the decisions by the coach is what ultimelty cost them. 

    Also I believe the sun belt conference is being fixed right in front of our eyes, I can't understand how they weren't awarded the fumble in the first half off of the " forward progress" and i can't understand how they scored the long  touchdown  run when the play should of been whistled dead. alot of mistakes made, and a shitty job of capping done by vegas. 

    Refs really blew that play and they compounded it by refusing to overturn it. Couple bad holding calls too. But the coaching was much worse. The lack of discipline was unreal on Ark St side. Had a couple opportunities to get the ball back but a dumb personal foul gave ULL a first down. Tho it was clear tonight that Broadway is much better than Knighten 
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by JLourenco:

    And again if you were a respectable professional, insulting people who have a different opinion would be tired game. 

    sorry... I laugh at people like you everyday.. I see this all the time... some moron(usually a med student) finds an article on the internet and praising it (medical).. The internet is not regulated man... one source is not enough.. find me significant data... EVIDENCED BASED... I gave you statistics... you gave me steve spurrier.. LMAO
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    And again if you were a respectable professional, insulting people who have a different opinion would be tired game. 

    sorry... I laugh at people like you everyday.. I see this all the time... some moron(usually a med student) finds an article on the internet and praising it (medical).. The internet is not regulated man... one source is not enough.. find me significant data... EVIDENCED BASED... I gave you statistics... you gave me steve spurrier.. LMAO
     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Day-trader1:


    sorry... I laugh at people like you everyday.. I see this all the time... some moron(usually a med student) finds an article on the internet and praising it (medical).. The internet is not regulated man... one source is not enough.. find me significant data... EVIDENCED BASED... I gave you statistics... you gave me steve spurrier.. LMAO

    Morons like you want to think every topic has a right or wrong answer. Ahh yes nothing holds water until a majority of people buy into it. With that logic nothing would ever evolve. Luckily smarter people than you think outside the box to make progress in the world. Enjoy following the the rest of the sheep. Baaaaaahhhhhhh
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    sorry... I laugh at people like you everyday.. I see this all the time... some moron(usually a med student) finds an article on the internet and praising it (medical).. The internet is not regulated man... one source is not enough.. find me significant data... EVIDENCED BASED... I gave you statistics... you gave me steve spurrier.. LMAO

    Morons like you want to think every topic has a right or wrong answer. Ahh yes nothing holds water until a majority of people buy into it. With that logic nothing would ever evolve. Luckily smarter people than you think outside the box to make progress in the world. Enjoy following the the rest of the sheep. Baaaaaahhhhhhh
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