Not calling for a fix or anything like that....just saying Pac 12 refs are going to be involved....in a game that has millions of dollars on the line for the conference....and representation in the playoffs....
Utah averages just over 4 penalties per game....I would bet they exceed that number rather easily.....
Not really earth shaking news if you've watched more than 10 seconds of Pac 12 football....just food for thought....
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Not calling for a fix or anything like that....just saying Pac 12 refs are going to be involved....in a game that has millions of dollars on the line for the conference....and representation in the playoffs....
Utah averages just over 4 penalties per game....I would bet they exceed that number rather easily.....
USC is West Coast Oklahoma Riley in 4 consecutive appearances with the Sooners in B12 Championship. All 4 were rematches 2017 Reg Season vs TCU: 38-20 Big12 Champ Game: 41-17 Total Points difference: 0 2018 Reg Season vs Texas: 45-48 Big12 Champ Game: 39-27 Total Points difference: -27 2019 Reg Season vs Baylor: 34-31 Big12 Champ Game: 30-23* OT Game Total Points difference: -12 2020 Reg Season vs Iowa St: 30-37 Big12 Champ Game: 27-21 Total Points difference: -19 2022 Reg Season vs Utah: 42-43 Pac12 Champ game: ???? Me smells an Under coming Friday night
Under will for sure be on my card.
Just waiting to see if I can get more than 68....thinking it might push to 70ish...but I'm ok if it drops to 67.....
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Quote Originally Posted by BWS77:
USC is West Coast Oklahoma Riley in 4 consecutive appearances with the Sooners in B12 Championship. All 4 were rematches 2017 Reg Season vs TCU: 38-20 Big12 Champ Game: 41-17 Total Points difference: 0 2018 Reg Season vs Texas: 45-48 Big12 Champ Game: 39-27 Total Points difference: -27 2019 Reg Season vs Baylor: 34-31 Big12 Champ Game: 30-23* OT Game Total Points difference: -12 2020 Reg Season vs Iowa St: 30-37 Big12 Champ Game: 27-21 Total Points difference: -19 2022 Reg Season vs Utah: 42-43 Pac12 Champ game: ???? Me smells an Under coming Friday night
Under will for sure be on my card.
Just waiting to see if I can get more than 68....thinking it might push to 70ish...but I'm ok if it drops to 67.....
For Pac-12 CG history, the final score has only eclipsed 60 3x, the last being 2015 (Stanford 41-22 over USC), & only went over 67 once (2011....Oregon 49-31 over UCLA). Most games end up in the low 50's (low was Washington 10-3 vs. Utah in 2018). Both of the highest scoring games involved the Oregon Ducks during the Chip Kelly/early Helfrich era.....
@TRAIN69
Shady ref'ing in Pac-12 game? Nah....SOP.
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@BWS77
Interesting........nice homework.
For Pac-12 CG history, the final score has only eclipsed 60 3x, the last being 2015 (Stanford 41-22 over USC), & only went over 67 once (2011....Oregon 49-31 over UCLA). Most games end up in the low 50's (low was Washington 10-3 vs. Utah in 2018). Both of the highest scoring games involved the Oregon Ducks during the Chip Kelly/early Helfrich era.....
....one caveat I see......looking back over the last few years, Utah/USC games have a history of being one of the highest scoring games in a Utah season...... 85 this season, 68 LY, 69 in 2019 .......It was only 50 in 2020 but that was covid season.
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....one caveat I see......looking back over the last few years, Utah/USC games have a history of being one of the highest scoring games in a Utah season...... 85 this season, 68 LY, 69 in 2019 .......It was only 50 in 2020 but that was covid season.
The administrative state of the conference would get a pay-day, contingent upon if USC wins. They’re using their OWN conference officials to call the game. It’s the most high profile brand in the conference. Just saying…
Play the game. Don’t let the game play you.
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The administrative state of the conference would get a pay-day, contingent upon if USC wins. They’re using their OWN conference officials to call the game. It’s the most high profile brand in the conference. Just saying…
Always makes you wonder some - situations like that - certainly would be more concerned with your angles than the Pac 12 possibly saying 'screw you SC' because of their leaving for the Big 10 - BUT, money usually talks.
Always great stuff Train
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Always makes you wonder some - situations like that - certainly would be more concerned with your angles than the Pac 12 possibly saying 'screw you SC' because of their leaving for the Big 10 - BUT, money usually talks.
I’m a fan of your knowledge. I hope you’re dead wrong about officiating being a factor in probably what will be the best game of the weekend.
USC team total of 34.5 is LOW! I see this game being a close Utah win or a USC rout. Utah is down a few defensive players and USC will be moved on in between the 20s. The question for me is “Which Cam Rising shows up?”. If it’s the bum who lost at Oregon, they have no chance. If it’s the 2022 Rose Bowl Rising, then watch out Trojans.
I am on USC team total over, UTAH team total over.
Other games I like: Tulane -3, K State/TCU OVER, Clemson TT OVER, Fresno State +3.5…UNC can’t stop anyone and Haener gets a crack at Boise after he didn’t in the first matchup.
Let me know what you think. Good luck this weekend and look forward to your Bowl Thread!
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Train,
I’m a fan of your knowledge. I hope you’re dead wrong about officiating being a factor in probably what will be the best game of the weekend.
USC team total of 34.5 is LOW! I see this game being a close Utah win or a USC rout. Utah is down a few defensive players and USC will be moved on in between the 20s. The question for me is “Which Cam Rising shows up?”. If it’s the bum who lost at Oregon, they have no chance. If it’s the 2022 Rose Bowl Rising, then watch out Trojans.
I am on USC team total over, UTAH team total over.
Other games I like: Tulane -3, K State/TCU OVER, Clemson TT OVER, Fresno State +3.5…UNC can’t stop anyone and Haener gets a crack at Boise after he didn’t in the first matchup.
Let me know what you think. Good luck this weekend and look forward to your Bowl Thread!
Also to be noted usc gave the game to them in utah .. rematch game and utah is the dredges on the road .. don’t think refs giving them calls will even matter .. utah away from SLC. With there star running back opting out for draft .. rising being a liability in the medium to deep passing game .. and kuithe there best receiving threat out.. usc should win and cover regardless
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Also to be noted usc gave the game to them in utah .. rematch game and utah is the dredges on the road .. don’t think refs giving them calls will even matter .. utah away from SLC. With there star running back opting out for draft .. rising being a liability in the medium to deep passing game .. and kuithe there best receiving threat out.. usc should win and cover regardless
"phantom holds". How come whenever a referee calls a player for holding, on the replay, the player is "actually" holding. The referee knows TV will replay the holding call. So I'm not sure what "phantom holds" even means?
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"phantom holds". How come whenever a referee calls a player for holding, on the replay, the player is "actually" holding. The referee knows TV will replay the holding call. So I'm not sure what "phantom holds" even means?
"phantom holds". How come whenever a referee calls a player for holding, on the replay, the player is "actually" holding. The referee knows TV will replay the holding call. So I'm not sure what "phantom holds" even means?
"Selective holding calls" is probably a better description.....
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Quote Originally Posted by TxRangers:
"phantom holds". How come whenever a referee calls a player for holding, on the replay, the player is "actually" holding. The referee knows TV will replay the holding call. So I'm not sure what "phantom holds" even means?
"Selective holding calls" is probably a better description.....
Quote Originally Posted by TxRangers: "phantom holds". How come whenever a referee calls a player for holding, on the replay, the player is "actually" holding. The referee knows TV will replay the holding call. So I'm not sure what "phantom holds" even means?"Selective holding calls" is probably a better description.....
I concur. Holding occurs on almost every play.....when it is enforced is selective....
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Quote Originally Posted by THEMUGG:
Quote Originally Posted by TxRangers: "phantom holds". How come whenever a referee calls a player for holding, on the replay, the player is "actually" holding. The referee knows TV will replay the holding call. So I'm not sure what "phantom holds" even means?"Selective holding calls" is probably a better description.....
I concur. Holding occurs on almost every play.....when it is enforced is selective....
If USC needs a little nudge to remain in contention for playoff birth, I hope the referees oblige. SEC referees have been helping Bama or LSU maintain lofty rankings so many times.
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If USC needs a little nudge to remain in contention for playoff birth, I hope the referees oblige. SEC referees have been helping Bama or LSU maintain lofty rankings so many times.
If USC needs a little nudge to remain in contention for playoff birth, I hope the referees oblige. SEC referees have been helping Bama or LSU maintain lofty rankings so many times.
the SEC officials strangely have now transitioned into helping Georgia instead of bama now, that's how you know the torch has finally been passed..
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Quote Originally Posted by CoreyPaus:
If USC needs a little nudge to remain in contention for playoff birth, I hope the referees oblige. SEC referees have been helping Bama or LSU maintain lofty rankings so many times.
the SEC officials strangely have now transitioned into helping Georgia instead of bama now, that's how you know the torch has finally been passed..
FWIW Refs were super involved in the 1 pt loss by USC in the last meeting. Refs gave 2 blatant PI calls on Utah's final drive. Started from their own 15 and were assisted with 45yds in penalties in just 2 plays! Next thing you know, Utah is on the Trojan 20yd line without even executing their offense.
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@TRAIN69
FWIW Refs were super involved in the 1 pt loss by USC in the last meeting. Refs gave 2 blatant PI calls on Utah's final drive. Started from their own 15 and were assisted with 45yds in penalties in just 2 plays! Next thing you know, Utah is on the Trojan 20yd line without even executing their offense.
Not calling for a fix or anything like that....just saying Pac 12 refs are going to be involved....in a game that has millions of dollars on the line for the conference....and representation in the playoffs.... Utah averages just over 4 penalties per game....I would bet they exceed that number rather easily..... Phantom holds.....questionable pass interference calls.... Not really earth shaking news if you've watched more than 10 seconds of Pac 12 football....just food for thought....
I badly want to bet the Utah ML...but the flags have me concerned. It will likely come down to mid/late 4th qtr. All it takes is one bogus pass interference call (for ex.) and USC gets a chip shot FG to win and possibly cover. Not saying it will happen that way, but it's not like we haven't seen this before.
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Quote Originally Posted by TRAIN69:
Not calling for a fix or anything like that....just saying Pac 12 refs are going to be involved....in a game that has millions of dollars on the line for the conference....and representation in the playoffs.... Utah averages just over 4 penalties per game....I would bet they exceed that number rather easily..... Phantom holds.....questionable pass interference calls.... Not really earth shaking news if you've watched more than 10 seconds of Pac 12 football....just food for thought....
I badly want to bet the Utah ML...but the flags have me concerned. It will likely come down to mid/late 4th qtr. All it takes is one bogus pass interference call (for ex.) and USC gets a chip shot FG to win and possibly cover. Not saying it will happen that way, but it's not like we haven't seen this before.
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