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Quote Originally Posted by joewashington:

40 grand jury counts of deviate sexual behavior against children. A current coach who has said he witnessed Sandusky sodomizing a child in a Penn State locker room shower who reports it to Paterno and just now we're seeing charges brought forward?

It sounds like this has been a Happy Valley dirty little secret for many years now. And the motive is obvious. Sweep it all under the rug to protect the university, its executives and an iconic coach. I suspect we will see many other allegations made and other victims stepping forward. How Paterno can look himself in the mirror for "looking the other way"......I'm sorry I cannot understand.....How much more shameful can it get? Probably when Paterno takes the field on Saturday and 80,000 fans cheer for him as the victims and their families watch in horror......

probably closer to 110,000.......

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Why does Mike McQueary still have a job?  Penn State Wide Receivers coach?  He should be fired immediately for failure to report a rape in progress.  He should of called 911 AFTER he stopped the pig Sundasky.

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Quote Originally Posted by thisguyiswise:

You cant just ban a guy from walking on campus or using facilities because you think he is a child molester.

Joe had to be careful how they fired Sandusky for fear of defamation of character suits.  Its not so cut and dry as sandusky had them by the balls in a way since the cops never charged him.

joe fired him when the cops didnt even arrest the guy in 1998.  joe told the AD in 2002, he did do something though it may not be up to par with some standards of everyones morals.  the guy wasnt working for joe anymore and it was hearsay from that point as joe did not eye witness the account in the shower. 

that is what we know.


WHAT IF IT WAS YOUR KID,YOUR BROTHER,YOUR NEPHEW,GRANDCHILD? SORRT BUT IF YOU TOLD ME HE WAS SCREWING A 10 YEAR OLD IN THE ASS,I WOULD HAVE DONE MORE.[CALLED COPS MYSELF,BEAT THE CRAP OUT OF HIM,ETC] SORRY CANT AGREE WITH YOU OR ANYONE WHO THINKS HE DID ENOUGH.HOW MANY MORE YOUNG BOYS LIVES WERE RUINED.[RAPED BLOWN ETC]PLEASE WAKE UP[AND I AM A BIG PENN STATE FAN.]

 
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Jersey...you are showing your ignorance here, this has so much more to do about football.  The football side is irrelevant, we are talking about 10 year old boys and Joe/McCquerry could of saved at least 1 victim for sure and who knows how many others.  If you doubt me, read the indictment yourself and follow the dates, Victim 1 was after 2002 when it was all brought to Joe's attention.  Joe failed your school miserably by not doing the right thing morally.  Read the entire indictment then tell me he had no responsiblilty, thats all I ask.

Cburk...have you read any of my other posts?

I've read the indictment.

Yes, I agree, Joe should have done more.

But to say he did NOTHING is absolutely false. And the thing that annoys me the most...is retards like LawsonJames are making Joe Paterno out to be the actual rapist.

The focus should be on Jerry Sandusky. He is the child rapist who will be going to hell. Tim Curley, who was one of the best athletic director's in the United States, also failed miserably. When Paterno told him what he heard, it was Curley's responsibility to go to the authorities immediately.

And to be honest, I am quite surprised people aren't making a bigger deal out of Graham Spanier's role in this scandal. People can talk all they want about how "Joe Pa is the boss at PSU." Umm...completely false. He is a legend and 95% of the things on campus are named after him. But Graham Spanier is the boss of PSU. He makes the decisions. He is the one in charge. He should take the most blame for this besides for Sandusky.

And people want to try to pin everything on Joe Paterno?

Give me a fucking break.

 
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NOT SO FAST MY FRIEND!!

Joe did NOTHING???  He fired Sandusky when the cops couldnt even find enough to arrest the guy.

I dont know if any of you know this but 3 things here make it very hard for Joe or anyone of non-legal authority to do much more.

1.  Sandusky was not convicted of a crime, just suspected and that was enough in 1998 for Joe to fire him, but the police do nothing even after a mother of a victim states that Sandusky admitted this behavior.

2. Lawsuits, you have to be careful how let someone go nowadays.  Joe couldnt say he was letting Sandusky go because he was a child molester because that is defamation of character and Paterno can lose his job, the university can be sued by this clown etc etc.  Again, Joe fired him on suspicion, the cops let him go in spite of it.

3. IF someone is not convicted of a crime by POLICE, like Sandusky was not at the time, you cant just tell someone you cant step foot on campus.  That is illegal.  The University of Michigan cannot tell me i cant go walk around their campus because i was investigated by police for child molestation but never charged.  We dont live in China.

Joe did do something, in fact at least two things we know of.  Fired Sandusky in 1998 after first catching wind of this and after investigators found nothing to charge the creep with.  Then, in 2002, he told the AD what he had heard, not saw with his own eyes, second hand from McQueary.  Blame McQueary all you want, blame the AD and the other guy, BLAME the Cops, BLAME Sandusky, BLAME the negligent high school teacher who saw Sandusky numerous times on a wrestling mat late night with these kids, BLAME Sanduskys wife for not having a fuckn clue.  After all those people are blamed, blame the president of university.  Then, maybe after Joe talks, you can blame him.  But let him speak to what happened.  He did do things, we know that.  The media has made him out to be a monster and turned attention away from the child molester.  Let the man speak and than crucify Joe if you like once we all get the facts.
All true but up to two weeks ago Sandusky was still seen working out at the University gym... Unreal...
 
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Posted: #356
Quote Originally Posted by Jersey973:

Cburk...have you read any of my other posts?

I've read the indictment.

Yes, I agree, Joe should have done more.

But to say he did NOTHING is absolutely false. And the thing that annoys me the most...is retards like LawsonJames are making Joe Paterno out to be the actual rapist.

The focus should be on Jerry Sandusky. He is the child rapist who will be going to hell. Tim Curley, who was one of the best athletic director's in the United States, also failed miserably. When Paterno told him what he heard, it was Curley's responsibility to go to the authorities immediately.

And to be honest, I am quite surprised people aren't making a bigger deal out of Graham Spanier's role in this scandal. People can talk all they want about how "Joe Pa is the boss at PSU." Umm...completely false. He is a legend and 95% of the things on campus are named after him. But Graham Spanier is the boss of PSU. He makes the decisions. He is the one in charge. He should take the most blame for this besides for Sandusky.

And people want to try to pin everything on Joe Paterno?

Give me a fucking break.



Agreed, the President has to be removed asap, and Sandusky should be the focus, but that doesn't relieve the others, especially Joe of his moral obligations.  If it was you has the coach, would you not of put an end to it immediately, no matter what the consequences?  He didn't, and Sanduscky continued to rape little boys, the latest one was the worst and it happened after 2002. 

I don't care where anyone went to school or who they are a fan of, there is no way you can defend that.

That being said, the players do not deserve to be punished, but, the program does, it is a fine line to walk and we will just have to wait and see how it all shakes down.  I don't feel they deserve the death penalty, but the deserve to be penalized in some way.
 
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Sandusky should have went into the priesthood 
 
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Posted: #358
Quote Originally Posted by Jersey973:

probably closer to 110,000.......

WE ARE!

OK.....so there's 30,000 more Pro-Pedophiles in the stadium than I thought there were.....

 
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Quote Originally Posted by cburk:

 

I don't feel they deserve the death penalty, but the deserve to be penalized in some way.

 

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Jersey-

Finally some sense out of you- Everyone you mentioned should go down and go down hard- I totally agree and i think everyone does. But Joe Paterno should be included. He is part of the coverup. I have always respected Penn St. Seems like they ran a clean program. I don't think the football program itself or the players should be punished at all. I just want those responsible- McCreary, the AD, the President, and Joe Patreno. To keep making him look like he is some poor innocent old man who did what he could is sickening. He knew he could have done more but chose not to.

To be proud of the football program is one thing i understand but to be blindsided by a Coaching Legend who made a horrible choice to not do more is wrong-

That's my opinion and you have yours-

And yes Sandusky is scum and even if they keep him away from the general prison population, someone will usually find a way to get to him-

 
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WHAT IF IT WAS YOUR KID,YOUR BROTHER,YOUR NEPHEW,GRANDCHILD? SORRT BUT IF YOU TOLD ME HE WAS SCREWING A 10 YEAR OLD IN THE ASS,I WOULD HAVE DONE MORE.[CALLED COPS MYSELF,BEAT THE CRAP OUT OF HIM,ETC] SORRY CANT AGREE WITH YOU OR ANYONE WHO THINKS HE DID ENOUGH.HOW MANY MORE YOUNG BOYS LIVES WERE RUINED.[RAPED BLOWN ETC]PLEASE WAKE UP[AND I AM A BIG PENN STATE FAN.]



I am confused as to where i said Joe couldnt have done more???.  I said he did do something since some are acting like he sat there and watched these rapes go down while sitting in his rocker.  I say let the man speak and he has a little today and already I am impressed by what he has said.  But let him tell his side and man up.  If he doesnt, then i think we know.  Thats all i have wanted.


 
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Joe Washington.....your comment is about as childish as your education.  Lets group all Penn State fans as pedophiles because we support our great university and our innocent football players who represent us.

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If people would take the time to read the indictment...It will be evident Mr creary, curly , and Joe pa among others knew this shit was going on...It was happening on the campus and caught more than the one time  that everyone knows about with mccreary..
 
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Quote Originally Posted by thisguyiswise:



I am confused as to where i said Joe couldnt have done more???.  I said he did do something since some are acting like he sat there and watched these rapes go down while sitting in his rocker.  I say let the man speak and he has a little today and already I am impressed by what he has said.  But let him tell his side and man up.  If he doesnt, then i think we know.  Thats all i have wanted.


IT CLEARLY STATES IN THE GRAND JURY REPORT THAT KNOW.McCLEARY TOLD HIM WHAT HE SAW THE NEXT DAY.DO YOU THINK McCLEARY TOLD HIM THEY WERE PLAYING IN THE SHOWER?    HE TOLD HIM HE SAW JERRY S FUCKING A 10 YEAR OLD BOY IN THE ASS.WHAT THE HELL DOES ANYONE NEED TO KNOW!   THIS WILL GO DOWN AS THE BIGGEST SCANDAL IN HISTORY OF COLLEGE SPORTS.

HE WAS PART OF A COVER-UP AND MANY OTHER BOYS WERE ABUSED BECAUSE ,JOE-PA AND ALL OF THE OTHERS DID NOTHING!   YES HE COULD OF DONE MORE AND HE DID NOT.HE SAID THAT TODAY,HIMSELF.

 
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Quote Originally Posted by travis_bickle:

Why does Mike McQueary still have a job?  Penn State Wide Receivers coach?  He should be fired immediately for failure to report a rape in progress.  He should of called 911 AFTER he stopped the pig Sundasky.

WE ARE!!!  SLAP SLAP!  PENN STATE!!

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 ANYONE WHO KNEW WAS PART OF A COVER UP

 
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enough said...Joe admits that he should have done more, admitting guilt and that it has been on his conscious, how many victims could have been saved if the right people would have stepped up to the plate?

 https://msn.foxsports.com/collegefootball/story/joe-paterno-statement-announcing-retirement-110911
 
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Quote Originally Posted by DOVJAK:

IT CLEARLY STATES IN THE GRAND JURY REPORT THAT KNOW.McCLEARY TOLD HIM WHAT HE SAW THE NEXT DAY.DO YOU THINK McCLEARY TOLD HIM THEY WERE PLAYING IN THE SHOWER?    HE TOLD HIM HE SAW JERRY S FUCKING A 10 YEAR OLD BOY IN THE ASS.WHAT THE HELL DOES ANYONE NEED TO KNOW!   THIS WILL GO DOWN AS THE BIGGEST SCANDAL IN HISTORY OF COLLEGE SPORTS.

HE WAS PART OF A COVER-UP AND MANY OTHER BOYS WERE ABUSED BECAUSE ,JOE-PA AND ALL OF THE OTHERS DID NOTHING!   YES HE COULD OF DONE MORE AND HE DID NOT.HE SAID THAT TODAY,HIMSELF.

To add to that this man was investigated for the same shit a couple years before..In the same shower giving oral sex to another kid...He was caught in a high school wrestling gym "rolling around" with a lil boy..I mean shit how much more do u need...
 
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Quote Originally Posted by ArtSchlichterJr:

All true but up to two weeks ago Sandusky was still seen working out at the University gym... Unreal...
And that was the CAMPUS police
 
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My sentiments exactly gambling-devil---wife and I are both livid over this and wish Paterno and company get fired NOW....
 
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Paterno has enabled this Penn State fudge-packer for 10 years and thus he and others are as culpable as the Penn State fudge-packer himself.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Jersey973:

Cburk...have you read any of my other posts?

I've read the indictment.

Yes, I agree, Joe should have done more.

But to say he did NOTHING is absolutely false. And the thing that annoys me the most...is retards like LawsonJames are making Joe Paterno out to be the actual rapist.

The focus should be on Jerry Sandusky. He is the child rapist who will be going to hell. Tim Curley, who was one of the best athletic director's in the United States, also failed miserably. When Paterno told him what he heard, it was Curley's responsibility to go to the authorities immediately.

And to be honest, I am quite surprised people aren't making a bigger deal out of Graham Spanier's role in this scandal. People can talk all they want about how "Joe Pa is the boss at PSU." Umm...completely false. He is a legend and 95% of the things on campus are named after him. But Graham Spanier is the boss of PSU. He makes the decisions. He is the one in charge. He should take the most blame for this besides for Sandusky.

And people want to try to pin everything on Joe Paterno?

Give me a fucking break.



SHUT THE FUCK UP YOU FUCKING BITCH!! FUCKING INTERNET THUG!!! HATE BITCHES LIKE YOU THAT ACT TOUGH ON THE INTERNET! 

NOT FUCKING ONCE DID I EVER POST PATERNO WAS A RAPIST. SHOW ME THE POST WHERE I SAID THAT YOU FUCKING BITCH!!! 

I SAID HE SHOULD RESIGN IMMEDIATELY FOR NOT DOING THE MORALLY CORRECT THING. HE PROTECTED THE PENN ST. FOOTBALL BRAND INSTEAD OF LOOKING OUT FOR THE LIVES OF CHILDREN.

YOUR ARE A SICK FUCKING BITCH!
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Dtill:

To add to that this man was investigated for the same shit a couple years before..In the same shower giving oral sex to another kid...He was caught in a high school wrestling gym "rolling around" with a lil boy..I mean shit how much more do u need...

No kidding. It's obvious Paterno knew about his assistant/friend and his pedophilia. McQueary sees it firsthand and then sees the guy around campus for years and with other kids? I have to think there are more diddlers around there than just Sandusky. Ray Gricar; the DA investigating disappears along with his laptop? There is more to this story for sure.

 
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Points are being made for all sides, but its pretty clear that the university, its top executes, including JoePa, were well aware of this long before 2002. This has been covered up for over 15 years. Bottom line is that its really sad that our society has come to this point. Where all that is important is money and protecting a brand. These cover ups happen in all aspects of business. Wealthy men do whatever it takes to protect their power and wealth. Its really sad. God bless these kids and there families. Who really knows how far the cover up goes. Police, mayors, city officals, governors, state officals all made money off the university. If this goes down the right way there will be hundreds of powerfully people exposed. And what about that foundation. Just really heart breaking and hopefully this will be big enough a story to change things but i highly doubt it.

 
 
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I am confused as to where i said Joe couldnt have done more???.  I said he did do something since some are acting like he sat there and watched these rapes go down while sitting in his rocker.  I say let the man speak and he has a little today and already I am impressed by what he has said.  But let him tell his side and man up.  If he doesnt, then i think we know.  Thats all i have wanted.



just stop already, the old man already said he should of done more,  You know why he didn't do more? Cause the old man is a coward, it was more important to continue coaching than speak up and prevent lives being destroyed

 it was a supremely selfish act that will forever tarnish his legacy, its a god damn shame,  this is the reality to anybody not emotionally attached to the man or the university, you can type paragraph after paragraph avoiding the reality of the situation, but in the end this is the god damn truth, no matter how bad we wish it wasn't....

He cares more about coaching and losing the next 3 games than removing himself from the spotlight and helping the university, he has no instruction role, no game planning role, no scouting role on the team, he is nothing more than a symbol that once stood for integrity and honesty and that symbolism is now gone forever...

The man needs to ride off into the sunset and stop being the selfish old man that he is..."I should of done more"  his own words,  but still too selfish to do the right thing for the university and its victims and step down....



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