No points needed. Louisville is the best defense that FSU has or will face all regular season and that includes my Clemson Tigers. What's separates the two is the secondary's. Louisville will contest every pass when Winston gets outside the pocket. Louisville stops the run defensively like nobody's business and do so without putting high risk on their secondary. FSU MUST run the football to help out Winston and his lack luster outside weapons. They will struggle to do so. Louisville will keep consistent pressure on Winston, as FSU is really struggling up front. FSU is missing key ingredients on the O-Line from last year, their center...a key weapon on the outside, Kelvin Benjamin. Winston did not make KB a 1st rounder, but KB helped make Winston a Heisman winner.
What made FSU so dominant last year was their defense, as Ray Charles could tell us, their is a night and day difference in their defense from last year to this year. FSU is struggling to get pressure without blitzing and their is no Joyner on the back end to create fear and show dominance. Their is just no leadership on this team at all. Let this mess of a team go on the road for a night game at PJCS, it's not gonna be good for FSU.
Now Louisville has not set the world on fire offensively this year, but check this out. They have been without their starting QB and an All American WR Devante Parker. They are both back and they came back two weeks ago. Give Bobby Petrino almost two weeks to prepare for a home night game of this magnitude against a team that has glaring weaknesses on defense, it ain't fare. Louisville does not have to out score FSU here because their defense is so good, they just want to keep the ball and I don't see any reason to think FSU will shut them down with their defense. Let FSU load the box, Petrino will make them pay. Petrino is a dynamite play caller, it's a gut, natural thing for him. Spurrier is IMO the best play caller in big games maybe their has ever been but Petrino is up there. I don't see any facet of the game where FSU is better than Louisville other than kicker. Louisville has 5 times the defense, better Oline, better run game because of it, and they get all this at home in their environment.
FSU will not cover any number here. Not only that, they will not win this game period. This should be a lower scoring game. I really think Louisville's defense will take control of this game. 27-17 Louisville?
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No points needed. Louisville is the best defense that FSU has or will face all regular season and that includes my Clemson Tigers. What's separates the two is the secondary's. Louisville will contest every pass when Winston gets outside the pocket. Louisville stops the run defensively like nobody's business and do so without putting high risk on their secondary. FSU MUST run the football to help out Winston and his lack luster outside weapons. They will struggle to do so. Louisville will keep consistent pressure on Winston, as FSU is really struggling up front. FSU is missing key ingredients on the O-Line from last year, their center...a key weapon on the outside, Kelvin Benjamin. Winston did not make KB a 1st rounder, but KB helped make Winston a Heisman winner.
What made FSU so dominant last year was their defense, as Ray Charles could tell us, their is a night and day difference in their defense from last year to this year. FSU is struggling to get pressure without blitzing and their is no Joyner on the back end to create fear and show dominance. Their is just no leadership on this team at all. Let this mess of a team go on the road for a night game at PJCS, it's not gonna be good for FSU.
Now Louisville has not set the world on fire offensively this year, but check this out. They have been without their starting QB and an All American WR Devante Parker. They are both back and they came back two weeks ago. Give Bobby Petrino almost two weeks to prepare for a home night game of this magnitude against a team that has glaring weaknesses on defense, it ain't fare. Louisville does not have to out score FSU here because their defense is so good, they just want to keep the ball and I don't see any reason to think FSU will shut them down with their defense. Let FSU load the box, Petrino will make them pay. Petrino is a dynamite play caller, it's a gut, natural thing for him. Spurrier is IMO the best play caller in big games maybe their has ever been but Petrino is up there. I don't see any facet of the game where FSU is better than Louisville other than kicker. Louisville has 5 times the defense, better Oline, better run game because of it, and they get all this at home in their environment.
FSU will not cover any number here. Not only that, they will not win this game period. This should be a lower scoring game. I really think Louisville's defense will take control of this game. 27-17 Louisville?
P, both teams are on the same cycle. Louisville coaches football on a long week as well. And IMO, has better coaches doing it. Don't fall in this trap. This is not 2013's version of FSU. Just trying to help.
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P, both teams are on the same cycle. Louisville coaches football on a long week as well. And IMO, has better coaches doing it. Don't fall in this trap. This is not 2013's version of FSU. Just trying to help.
holding Florida State to 17 off a bye when NC State and Murray State scored more than that on them. GL with that
And there is no leadership on a team that won what is it 24 straight now? you cant be serious with that statement
Florida state may have had the drop off on D but is still the 29th ranked defense with a much harder SOS.
"I don't see any facet of the game where FSU is better than Louisville
other than kicker. Louisville has 5 times the defense, better Oline,
better run game"
How about QB by a mile, passing offense by a mile, overall offense. If Lville doesnt win the turnover battle they have zero chance to win this game.
Also if you adjust the defensive raw numbers for SOS then Florida State is not far off at all from Lville defensively and with that suspect offense this will be glaring in this game. Not to mention FSU is getting much better each and every week with their consistency. And if their Oline is so dominant as you suggest how come they are not even top 80 in rushing with a weak passing game? that would make no sense logically.
GL with your bet though I can definitely see some intriguing reasons to back lville too
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holding Florida State to 17 off a bye when NC State and Murray State scored more than that on them. GL with that
And there is no leadership on a team that won what is it 24 straight now? you cant be serious with that statement
Florida state may have had the drop off on D but is still the 29th ranked defense with a much harder SOS.
"I don't see any facet of the game where FSU is better than Louisville
other than kicker. Louisville has 5 times the defense, better Oline,
better run game"
How about QB by a mile, passing offense by a mile, overall offense. If Lville doesnt win the turnover battle they have zero chance to win this game.
Also if you adjust the defensive raw numbers for SOS then Florida State is not far off at all from Lville defensively and with that suspect offense this will be glaring in this game. Not to mention FSU is getting much better each and every week with their consistency. And if their Oline is so dominant as you suggest how come they are not even top 80 in rushing with a weak passing game? that would make no sense logically.
GL with your bet though I can definitely see some intriguing reasons to back lville too
Your crazy if you think lousville is gonna beat fsu. Bet against winston and watch what happens you will scratch your head and say to yourself how i could i bet against him and on Louisville. Fsu rolls thursday night
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Your crazy if you think lousville is gonna beat fsu. Bet against winston and watch what happens you will scratch your head and say to yourself how i could i bet against him and on Louisville. Fsu rolls thursday night
I just can't grasp the thought of comparing one game to the next to validate an argument. Color me wrong but last weeks outcome will not determine this weeks game. Consistency grabs my attention.
VV, the one thing that sticks out the most in your post is you saying that Louisville must win the TO battle to have any chance. Now that is often true in ANY solid match up. But the way you talk, you make it sound like its a complete mismatch. We are talking about a game that is a TD or less in the eyes of oddsmakers. Does this line of thinking not ring a bell to you? It seems that looking across this site at the pro FSU backers, you guys think FSU is this invincible team.
We as humans are creatures of habit. It's hard for us to shake the fact that a top ranked defending national champion conducted by a Heisman winner is playing an unranked, lowly team and only laying one score. I'm telling ya, shake it. Louisville's defense, with one of the best game day play callers complimenting them on offense will win this ball game. There has only been one other game this season I have felt like this and that was South Carolina hosting UGA. I tried my best then and I try my best now. We here for the greater good. Best of luck!
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I just can't grasp the thought of comparing one game to the next to validate an argument. Color me wrong but last weeks outcome will not determine this weeks game. Consistency grabs my attention.
VV, the one thing that sticks out the most in your post is you saying that Louisville must win the TO battle to have any chance. Now that is often true in ANY solid match up. But the way you talk, you make it sound like its a complete mismatch. We are talking about a game that is a TD or less in the eyes of oddsmakers. Does this line of thinking not ring a bell to you? It seems that looking across this site at the pro FSU backers, you guys think FSU is this invincible team.
We as humans are creatures of habit. It's hard for us to shake the fact that a top ranked defending national champion conducted by a Heisman winner is playing an unranked, lowly team and only laying one score. I'm telling ya, shake it. Louisville's defense, with one of the best game day play callers complimenting them on offense will win this ball game. There has only been one other game this season I have felt like this and that was South Carolina hosting UGA. I tried my best then and I try my best now. We here for the greater good. Best of luck!
I am normally all about a good home dog, especially when they are not ranked and getting less than a TD against the #2 team in the nation but I can't take the points here. Louisville has inconsistent QB play and have lost the only 2 semi tough games on their schedule. I get the whole Thursday night crazy crowd and FSU hasn't looked great all year but Louisville has played nobody and their defensive numbers are skewed because of the offensive teams they played. It might be a sucker bet but I am taking my chances with the better team in this one. GL on your play
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I am normally all about a good home dog, especially when they are not ranked and getting less than a TD against the #2 team in the nation but I can't take the points here. Louisville has inconsistent QB play and have lost the only 2 semi tough games on their schedule. I get the whole Thursday night crazy crowd and FSU hasn't looked great all year but Louisville has played nobody and their defensive numbers are skewed because of the offensive teams they played. It might be a sucker bet but I am taking my chances with the better team in this one. GL on your play
Did you just said that Lville O Line is better than FSU O Line? you are out of your mind, why does everyone hate on FSU so much that they wanna see them lose week after week?
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Did you just said that Lville O Line is better than FSU O Line? you are out of your mind, why does everyone hate on FSU so much that they wanna see them lose week after week?
I just can't grasp the thought of comparing one game to the next to validate an argument. Color me wrong but last weeks outcome will not determine this weeks game. Consistency grabs my attention.
VV, the one thing that sticks out the most in your post is you saying that Louisville must win the TO battle to have any chance. Now that is often true in ANY solid match up. But the way you talk, you make it sound like its a complete mismatch. We are talking about a game that is a TD or less in the eyes of oddsmakers. Does this line of thinking not ring a bell to you? It seems that looking across this site at the pro FSU backers, you guys think FSU is this invincible team.
We as humans are creatures of habit. It's hard for us to shake the fact that a top ranked defending national champion conducted by a Heisman winner is playing an unranked, lowly team and only laying one score. I'm telling ya, shake it. Louisville's defense, with one of the best game day play callers complimenting them on offense will win this ball game. There has only been one other game this season I have felt like this and that was South Carolina hosting UGA. I tried my best then and I try my best now. We here for the greater good. Best of luck!
. Great write-up, and good comparison to the UGA / SC game, where virtually this entire forum got duped, while I was trying to warn them that the "sky was falling"...
Last week again, with the LSU game, I kept hearing what I see on this and other threads... If the books are laying a trap, then I'll take the bait and tip my hat if I lose...
I can't comprehend this mentality! Screw tipping your hat... Bet the right side and win money... You're not a robot and you should be able to think in less simplistic terms than "Winston is clutch" and"FSU will dominate!"
At what point do people start to see the pattern and stop betting into a number that the books are inviting them to bet?
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Quote Originally Posted by sportryfella:
I just can't grasp the thought of comparing one game to the next to validate an argument. Color me wrong but last weeks outcome will not determine this weeks game. Consistency grabs my attention.
VV, the one thing that sticks out the most in your post is you saying that Louisville must win the TO battle to have any chance. Now that is often true in ANY solid match up. But the way you talk, you make it sound like its a complete mismatch. We are talking about a game that is a TD or less in the eyes of oddsmakers. Does this line of thinking not ring a bell to you? It seems that looking across this site at the pro FSU backers, you guys think FSU is this invincible team.
We as humans are creatures of habit. It's hard for us to shake the fact that a top ranked defending national champion conducted by a Heisman winner is playing an unranked, lowly team and only laying one score. I'm telling ya, shake it. Louisville's defense, with one of the best game day play callers complimenting them on offense will win this ball game. There has only been one other game this season I have felt like this and that was South Carolina hosting UGA. I tried my best then and I try my best now. We here for the greater good. Best of luck!
. Great write-up, and good comparison to the UGA / SC game, where virtually this entire forum got duped, while I was trying to warn them that the "sky was falling"...
Last week again, with the LSU game, I kept hearing what I see on this and other threads... If the books are laying a trap, then I'll take the bait and tip my hat if I lose...
I can't comprehend this mentality! Screw tipping your hat... Bet the right side and win money... You're not a robot and you should be able to think in less simplistic terms than "Winston is clutch" and"FSU will dominate!"
At what point do people start to see the pattern and stop betting into a number that the books are inviting them to bet?
No points needed. Louisville is the best defense that FSU has or will face all regular season and that includes my Clemson Tigers. What's separates the two is the secondary's. Louisville will contest every pass when Winston gets outside the pocket. Louisville stops the run defensively like nobody's business and do so without putting high risk on their secondary. FSU MUST run the football to help out Winston and his lack luster outside weapons. They will struggle to do so. Louisville will keep consistent pressure on Winston, as FSU is really struggling up front. FSU is missing key ingredients on the O-Line from last year, their center...a key weapon on the outside, Kelvin Benjamin. Winston did not make KB a 1st rounder, but KB helped make Winston a Heisman winner.
What made FSU so dominant last year was their defense, as Ray Charles could tell us, their is a night and day difference in their defense from last year to this year. FSU is struggling to get pressure without blitzing and their is no Joyner on the back end to create fear and show dominance. Their is just no leadership on this team at all. Let this mess of a team go on the road for a night game at PJCS, it's not gonna be good for FSU.
Now Louisville has not set the world on fire offensively this year, but check this out. They have been without their starting QB and an All American WR Devante Parker. They are both back and they came back two weeks ago. Give Bobby Petrino almost two weeks to prepare for a home night game of this magnitude against a team that has glaring weaknesses on defense, it ain't fare. Louisville does not have to out score FSU here because their defense is so good, they just want to keep the ball and I don't see any reason to think FSU will shut them down with their defense. Let FSU load the box, Petrino will make them pay. Petrino is a dynamite play caller, it's a gut, natural thing for him. Spurrier is IMO the best play caller in big games maybe their has ever been but Petrino is up there. I don't see any facet of the game where FSU is better than Louisville other than kicker. Louisville has 5 times the defense, better Oline, better run game because of it, and they get all this at home in their environment.
FSU will not cover any number here. Not only that, they will not win this game period. This should be a lower scoring game. I really think Louisville's defense will take control of this game. 27-17 Louisville?
I am as big a Louisville homer as you will find, when you mentioned the Oline, that left me scratching my head. Many Cardinals faithful will agree with me, our offensive numbers are not as good as a typical Bobby Petrino team, because of our Oline. Don't underestimate the significance of DeVante Parker returning. This guy is NFL ready now, he is big and he is quick. Thursday night can NOT get here fast enough.
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Quote Originally Posted by sportryfella:
No points needed. Louisville is the best defense that FSU has or will face all regular season and that includes my Clemson Tigers. What's separates the two is the secondary's. Louisville will contest every pass when Winston gets outside the pocket. Louisville stops the run defensively like nobody's business and do so without putting high risk on their secondary. FSU MUST run the football to help out Winston and his lack luster outside weapons. They will struggle to do so. Louisville will keep consistent pressure on Winston, as FSU is really struggling up front. FSU is missing key ingredients on the O-Line from last year, their center...a key weapon on the outside, Kelvin Benjamin. Winston did not make KB a 1st rounder, but KB helped make Winston a Heisman winner.
What made FSU so dominant last year was their defense, as Ray Charles could tell us, their is a night and day difference in their defense from last year to this year. FSU is struggling to get pressure without blitzing and their is no Joyner on the back end to create fear and show dominance. Their is just no leadership on this team at all. Let this mess of a team go on the road for a night game at PJCS, it's not gonna be good for FSU.
Now Louisville has not set the world on fire offensively this year, but check this out. They have been without their starting QB and an All American WR Devante Parker. They are both back and they came back two weeks ago. Give Bobby Petrino almost two weeks to prepare for a home night game of this magnitude against a team that has glaring weaknesses on defense, it ain't fare. Louisville does not have to out score FSU here because their defense is so good, they just want to keep the ball and I don't see any reason to think FSU will shut them down with their defense. Let FSU load the box, Petrino will make them pay. Petrino is a dynamite play caller, it's a gut, natural thing for him. Spurrier is IMO the best play caller in big games maybe their has ever been but Petrino is up there. I don't see any facet of the game where FSU is better than Louisville other than kicker. Louisville has 5 times the defense, better Oline, better run game because of it, and they get all this at home in their environment.
FSU will not cover any number here. Not only that, they will not win this game period. This should be a lower scoring game. I really think Louisville's defense will take control of this game. 27-17 Louisville?
I am as big a Louisville homer as you will find, when you mentioned the Oline, that left me scratching my head. Many Cardinals faithful will agree with me, our offensive numbers are not as good as a typical Bobby Petrino team, because of our Oline. Don't underestimate the significance of DeVante Parker returning. This guy is NFL ready now, he is big and he is quick. Thursday night can NOT get here fast enough.
I respect everyones opinion and alot of valid points are made for both sides of this bet. Something I dont think people realize is how big of an impact Devante Parker adds to the offense. Throughout the first half of the season, Louisville had zero deep threat while Parker was injured. He is a lethal playmaker who can catch the ball anywhere on the field and possibly take it to the house, as you saw against NC State when he nearly took a basic slant route 60 yards for a TD. Petrino said Parker is finally looking like himself again this week in practice.
Some other factors to note: Louisville offensive line. This has been one of the most frustrating seasons to watch as a Louisville fan because of this O-line. The CONSTANT false start and holding penalties have lost us games. BUT, last game against NC St, our personnel on the O-line was mixed up and it worked out great. I dont think we had any penalties on the oline which is a miracle compared to early this season. For Louisville fans, we just get the sense that we are finally starting to click.
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I respect everyones opinion and alot of valid points are made for both sides of this bet. Something I dont think people realize is how big of an impact Devante Parker adds to the offense. Throughout the first half of the season, Louisville had zero deep threat while Parker was injured. He is a lethal playmaker who can catch the ball anywhere on the field and possibly take it to the house, as you saw against NC State when he nearly took a basic slant route 60 yards for a TD. Petrino said Parker is finally looking like himself again this week in practice.
Some other factors to note: Louisville offensive line. This has been one of the most frustrating seasons to watch as a Louisville fan because of this O-line. The CONSTANT false start and holding penalties have lost us games. BUT, last game against NC St, our personnel on the O-line was mixed up and it worked out great. I dont think we had any penalties on the oline which is a miracle compared to early this season. For Louisville fans, we just get the sense that we are finally starting to click.
I just can't grasp the thought of comparing one game to the next to validate an argument. Color me wrong but last weeks outcome will not determine this weeks game. Consistency grabs my attention.
VV, the one thing that sticks out the most in your post is you saying that Louisville must win the TO battle to have any chance. Now that is often true in ANY solid match up. But the way you talk, you make it sound like its a complete mismatch. We are talking about a game that is a TD or less in the eyes of oddsmakers. Does this line of thinking not ring a bell to you? It seems that looking across this site at the pro FSU backers, you guys think FSU is this invincible team.
We as humans are creatures of habit. It's hard for us to shake the fact that a top ranked defending national champion conducted by a Heisman winner is playing an unranked, lowly team and only laying one score. I'm telling ya, shake it. Louisville's defense, with one of the best game day play callers complimenting them on offense will win this ball game. There has only been one other game this season I have felt like this and that was South Carolina hosting UGA. I tried my best then and I try my best now. We here for the greater good. Best of luck!
I do not feel that this is a complete mismatch but what I see is next to no value in the line for Lville backers because I think that FSU is the more complete team. I acknowledged that FSU is down on defense from last year but. you are essentially betting a team that won 23 straight is going to lose its 24th at +160 odds against one of the best offenses and best QB (or at least right up there with mariota) in the country. Look I understand FSU isnt invincible but clemson and virginia werent invincible eiher and they still lost to those teams. I mean they only had 7 points going into the 4th quarter of the virginia game and keep in mind FSU's defense is ranked higher than virginia (not in the 50's liek someone said in another post). I understand Parker is a huge boost and will help keep them closer but just dont see the production being enough. BOL to you though
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Quote Originally Posted by sportryfella:
I just can't grasp the thought of comparing one game to the next to validate an argument. Color me wrong but last weeks outcome will not determine this weeks game. Consistency grabs my attention.
VV, the one thing that sticks out the most in your post is you saying that Louisville must win the TO battle to have any chance. Now that is often true in ANY solid match up. But the way you talk, you make it sound like its a complete mismatch. We are talking about a game that is a TD or less in the eyes of oddsmakers. Does this line of thinking not ring a bell to you? It seems that looking across this site at the pro FSU backers, you guys think FSU is this invincible team.
We as humans are creatures of habit. It's hard for us to shake the fact that a top ranked defending national champion conducted by a Heisman winner is playing an unranked, lowly team and only laying one score. I'm telling ya, shake it. Louisville's defense, with one of the best game day play callers complimenting them on offense will win this ball game. There has only been one other game this season I have felt like this and that was South Carolina hosting UGA. I tried my best then and I try my best now. We here for the greater good. Best of luck!
I do not feel that this is a complete mismatch but what I see is next to no value in the line for Lville backers because I think that FSU is the more complete team. I acknowledged that FSU is down on defense from last year but. you are essentially betting a team that won 23 straight is going to lose its 24th at +160 odds against one of the best offenses and best QB (or at least right up there with mariota) in the country. Look I understand FSU isnt invincible but clemson and virginia werent invincible eiher and they still lost to those teams. I mean they only had 7 points going into the 4th quarter of the virginia game and keep in mind FSU's defense is ranked higher than virginia (not in the 50's liek someone said in another post). I understand Parker is a huge boost and will help keep them closer but just dont see the production being enough. BOL to you though
I do not feel that this is a complete mismatch but what I see is next to no value in the line for Lville backers
VV... right in this statement is where you are making a correct analysis, but drawing the wrong conclusion...
I made this same statement about LSU last week. I came into that game wanting to bet LSU, and I was only able to do it because the line came up to 4 for just a couple of hours, and I was able to buy it to 4.5, where I wanted it... but essentially, the books had created a line that makes it nearly impossible for those who liked LSU to get in their bets... while making it very easy for Miss St bettors to get in theirs...
This week they are doing the same thing by making it impossible for Louisville bettors... they're not giving us a line we can bet... but they are more than happy to give all the FSU supporters a line that looks safe and easy!
Why do people not see this? Why do people think they have figured out something that the books haven't?
They know FSU is fool's gold, and that Louisville is a team with a defense that can pose all kinds of problems for that 1-dimensional offense, while having the offensive weapons to score TDs on this vulnerable defense... and their line is saying...
"WE WELCOME ALL FSU MONEY!"
I told you guys this same thing with LSU-Miss St... Duke-Miami... Georgia-SC...
This forum never learns!
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Quote Originally Posted by VegasVandal:
I do not feel that this is a complete mismatch but what I see is next to no value in the line for Lville backers
VV... right in this statement is where you are making a correct analysis, but drawing the wrong conclusion...
I made this same statement about LSU last week. I came into that game wanting to bet LSU, and I was only able to do it because the line came up to 4 for just a couple of hours, and I was able to buy it to 4.5, where I wanted it... but essentially, the books had created a line that makes it nearly impossible for those who liked LSU to get in their bets... while making it very easy for Miss St bettors to get in theirs...
This week they are doing the same thing by making it impossible for Louisville bettors... they're not giving us a line we can bet... but they are more than happy to give all the FSU supporters a line that looks safe and easy!
Why do people not see this? Why do people think they have figured out something that the books haven't?
They know FSU is fool's gold, and that Louisville is a team with a defense that can pose all kinds of problems for that 1-dimensional offense, while having the offensive weapons to score TDs on this vulnerable defense... and their line is saying...
"WE WELCOME ALL FSU MONEY!"
I told you guys this same thing with LSU-Miss St... Duke-Miami... Georgia-SC...
It's really cool to see this much discussion in a thread that I started. I very rarely get on this site and give my take on anything but this one really stands out to me. Hopefully everyone can find something in all this discussion that helps them positively with their decision and it turns out to be successful. Hopefully this is a good, fun game to watch on Thursday night.
PS...Tennessee +7 may be a good spot to bet this week.
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It's really cool to see this much discussion in a thread that I started. I very rarely get on this site and give my take on anything but this one really stands out to me. Hopefully everyone can find something in all this discussion that helps them positively with their decision and it turns out to be successful. Hopefully this is a good, fun game to watch on Thursday night.
PS...Tennessee +7 may be a good spot to bet this week.
VV... right in this statement is where you are making a correct analysis, but drawing the wrong conclusion...
I made this same statement about LSU last week. I came into that game wanting to bet LSU, and I was only able to do it because the line came up to 4 for just a couple of hours, and I was able to buy it to 4.5, where I wanted it... but essentially, the books had created a line that makes it nearly impossible for those who liked LSU to get in their bets... while making it very easy for Miss St bettors to get in theirs...
This week they are doing the same thing by making it impossible for Louisville bettors... they're not giving us a line we can bet... but they are more than happy to give all the FSU supporters a line that looks safe and easy!
Why do people not see this? Why do people think they have figured out something that the books haven't?
They know FSU is fool's gold, and that Louisville is a team with a defense that can pose all kinds of problems for that 1-dimensional offense, while having the offensive weapons to score TDs on this vulnerable defense... and their line is saying...
"WE WELCOME ALL FSU MONEY!"
I told you guys this same thing with LSU-Miss St... Duke-Miami... Georgia-SC...
This forum never learns!
I was on LSU on that game last week and loved the complexion of the game. dont see the same complexion for this game. hard to explain but on a side note why in the hell are you buying from 4 to 4.5? that is a " no mans land number" and shouldnt be bought off of. only buy off key numbers
you can analyze the line and i will analyze what i know about these teams and how they play. the same situation you describe happened with Georgia -3 a few weeks ago against Mizzou. everyone told me "that is a bait line" and "books welcome that bet and make it impossible for you to bet on mizzou" but I had a good grasp it was the right side and the game wasnt even close. could be dead wrong but im playing the percentages based off line value and what i know about these teams and it hasnt let me down yet. I will leave it up to you and others to decide what vegas wants you to bet
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Quote Originally Posted by Shark_Attack:
VV... right in this statement is where you are making a correct analysis, but drawing the wrong conclusion...
I made this same statement about LSU last week. I came into that game wanting to bet LSU, and I was only able to do it because the line came up to 4 for just a couple of hours, and I was able to buy it to 4.5, where I wanted it... but essentially, the books had created a line that makes it nearly impossible for those who liked LSU to get in their bets... while making it very easy for Miss St bettors to get in theirs...
This week they are doing the same thing by making it impossible for Louisville bettors... they're not giving us a line we can bet... but they are more than happy to give all the FSU supporters a line that looks safe and easy!
Why do people not see this? Why do people think they have figured out something that the books haven't?
They know FSU is fool's gold, and that Louisville is a team with a defense that can pose all kinds of problems for that 1-dimensional offense, while having the offensive weapons to score TDs on this vulnerable defense... and their line is saying...
"WE WELCOME ALL FSU MONEY!"
I told you guys this same thing with LSU-Miss St... Duke-Miami... Georgia-SC...
This forum never learns!
I was on LSU on that game last week and loved the complexion of the game. dont see the same complexion for this game. hard to explain but on a side note why in the hell are you buying from 4 to 4.5? that is a " no mans land number" and shouldnt be bought off of. only buy off key numbers
you can analyze the line and i will analyze what i know about these teams and how they play. the same situation you describe happened with Georgia -3 a few weeks ago against Mizzou. everyone told me "that is a bait line" and "books welcome that bet and make it impossible for you to bet on mizzou" but I had a good grasp it was the right side and the game wasnt even close. could be dead wrong but im playing the percentages based off line value and what i know about these teams and it hasnt let me down yet. I will leave it up to you and others to decide what vegas wants you to bet
in fact the same team we are talking about for this match (Louisville) was in a similar situation that you describe just two weeks ago. Louisville was a 3 pt fav on the road at syracuse and everyone got buried just based off their love for home dogs. i will not lie and tell you that i dont think lville could win this game or outplay FSU. They very well may but if both teams play up to their potential Louisville isnt staying within one score here. Again, bol to you though
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in fact the same team we are talking about for this match (Louisville) was in a similar situation that you describe just two weeks ago. Louisville was a 3 pt fav on the road at syracuse and everyone got buried just based off their love for home dogs. i will not lie and tell you that i dont think lville could win this game or outplay FSU. They very well may but if both teams play up to their potential Louisville isnt staying within one score here. Again, bol to you though
"They" know? The "they" you speak of opened up this game at 8.5 and the public/sharps bet it down to 3.5 and I'm seeing 4 now.
These threads have become boring because there is nothing more than homer/hater comments.
Obviously, my money is on -4, but the 2nd best value is on the Louisville ML followed by the FSU TT going over.
not trying to be a jerk here but if you think opposite sides of the same game can both have value then you don't really understand how value works in sports
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Quote Originally Posted by OGHowie282:
"They" know? The "they" you speak of opened up this game at 8.5 and the public/sharps bet it down to 3.5 and I'm seeing 4 now.
These threads have become boring because there is nothing more than homer/hater comments.
Obviously, my money is on -4, but the 2nd best value is on the Louisville ML followed by the FSU TT going over.
not trying to be a jerk here but if you think opposite sides of the same game can both have value then you don't really understand how value works in sports
not trying to be a jerk here but if you think opposite sides of the same game can both have value then you don't really understand how value works in sports
Hmmm...I disagree, but I could be convinced otherwise. This line has moved from 8.5 to 3.5. People switch their bets based on the line.
Some people only bet dogs. Some people play middles in situations such as this. You live bet constantly. Never play a middle? Maybe it's degenerate...
Maybe we have different definitions of value.
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Quote Originally Posted by VegasVandal:
not trying to be a jerk here but if you think opposite sides of the same game can both have value then you don't really understand how value works in sports
Hmmm...I disagree, but I could be convinced otherwise. This line has moved from 8.5 to 3.5. People switch their bets based on the line.
Some people only bet dogs. Some people play middles in situations such as this. You live bet constantly. Never play a middle? Maybe it's degenerate...
I was on LSU on that game last week and loved the complexion of the game. dont see the same complexion for this game. hard to explain but on a side note why in the hell are you buying from 4 to 4.5? that is a " no mans land number" and shouldnt be bought off of. only buy off key numbers
In a low scoring game like that one, 4 is a very key number, and the game proved it... those with 3.5 needed LSU to score that TD in the 4th quarter... I didn't! I was sitting pretty the entire game...
Outside of 3 and 7, 4 is the next most critical number... not sure what you are thinking making that statement!
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Quote Originally Posted by VegasVandal:
I was on LSU on that game last week and loved the complexion of the game. dont see the same complexion for this game. hard to explain but on a side note why in the hell are you buying from 4 to 4.5? that is a " no mans land number" and shouldnt be bought off of. only buy off key numbers
In a low scoring game like that one, 4 is a very key number, and the game proved it... those with 3.5 needed LSU to score that TD in the 4th quarter... I didn't! I was sitting pretty the entire game...
Outside of 3 and 7, 4 is the next most critical number... not sure what you are thinking making that statement!
Furthermore, I bought it at reduced juice (-115), because the book had the line at +4 (-105)...
Still, it's hilarious that you criticize me when the score of the game was 7-3 for the majority, and those of you with 3.5 were sweating it out at the end, while I was enjoying the game with an already winning bet...
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Furthermore, I bought it at reduced juice (-115), because the book had the line at +4 (-105)...
Still, it's hilarious that you criticize me when the score of the game was 7-3 for the majority, and those of you with 3.5 were sweating it out at the end, while I was enjoying the game with an already winning bet...
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