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Wow, I was mistaken. That certainly changes things with the game at Clemson this year. Thanks for the clarification.

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Clemson minus Watson at FSU will be a Loss. FSU should have beaten them last year in Death Valley if not for one of the worst calls I've ever seen in my life.
they didnt even play in death valley last year dude

 
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You /this forum/ whoever doesn't have to believe me when I say this... But it's Clemson / Bama...............and everyone else. The Talent and the depth on the 2 teams are heads and shoulders above everyone else. 

Penn st to me is a team that is very very hungry.... I think they have a solid QB and IMO......................as I stated before last year.... they have the best RB in the country. Barkley is the best RB in the country and it's not even close. IMO....


I like Penn st a lot.... we will see what happens. But as for Ohio st.... if they can't complete a forward pass more than 10 yds down the field then they don't have a shot to compete with the Clemson and Bama's of the world.

 


Boom, I've read your posts for years and I agree with 95% of what you say on this board.  Congrats on the Clemson championship last year, it was a long time coming for your fan base.  As for your post above, can you explain why you think the talent/depth at Clemson and Bama is head and shoulders above everyone else?

I get that these teams were the best in country the past 2 years but in 2017 it appears that FSU has just as much or more talent than Clemson (per the last 5 years of recruiting rankings and factoring in 15 returning starters for FSU and 12 for Clemson).  I don't think FSU takes a back seat to Clemson at all in terms of talent/depth this year.  What COULD swing things in Clemson's favor is having that match up at home this season.

As for Penn State, I like them a lot too but there is no question that Ohio State has better talent/depth and they have this game at home this year.  The Bucks also have 2 weeks to prepare while Penn State has Michigan the previous week.  I will be very surprised if Penn State wins this match up in 2017 as I think Urban and Kevin Wilson will have the OSU offense ready to roll.  JT Barrett will complete lots of passes over 10 yards and if they reach the championship vs Bama/FSU/Clemson/Auburn/USC/Oklahoma, the Buckeyes will be very tough to beat.

To sum up, I like FSU's talent/depth over Clemson's and Ohio State's talent/depth over Penn State's.

Your thoughts?
 
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though bill connelly said it best when he said this"College football isn’t quite as lopsided as men’s tennis — where Roger Federer, Rafael Nadal, and Novak Djokovic have won 44 of the last 54 grand slam tournaments — but CFB’s still very much in the era of the Big 2.National titles since 2006:Nick Saban and Urban Meyer 7Everybody Else 4It felt significant that Dabo Swinney’s Clemson took down both Meyer’s Ohio State and Saban’s Alabama to win the ring last winter. It was the culmination of a decade-long ascent for Swinney and the Tigers.Congrats, Dabo. Now do it again. You’ve still got some catching up to do."arent orange glasses funnny looking?? seems to me they would be =) 
I understand you're having a hard time with this whole " Clemson kicks our azz every time we play them ".....give it up dude...


No sir... ass whooping aside... last years clemson team wont be stepping on the field unfortunatly. And if u are really saying these rankings arent who will beat who but more public opinion based on last years results. Then why passively put clemsob at 2????? Like nobody will notice and just sneak em in at 2. Wtf. Thats funny. Since they are champs and u surely love to admire dabo and his manhood. Why not put them at 1... i mean they were champs right. Regardless they are again going to. Be Solid Yes. Top 10? Definatly. Top 5?? Probably not unless their qb grows up fast. Long season to find out. Just too many question marks on offense in my opinion. That d line is nasy again though and will keep them close in all of their games.


And uniman.... really???

Since 2002. OSU 15 wins UM 1 win
 
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I won't argue you putting Clemson at #2. They look good again but with the lose of Watson and just winning the NC, how hungry are they? If the coaches keep them focused/hungry they could win it again for sure!The perception is this is a biased list as you are a Clemson fan, could be far from the truth but that is the perception.Also, putting Penn State over Ohio State. My perception is this is in response to Traderjoe saying it's Ohio State and Bama and everybody else a distant third due to recent recruiting numbers. A little payback it appears at face value. Again, could be far from truth but that is my perception.I really believe Ohio State is in the drivers seat for the Big10 championship and a playoff birth. They were the least exp. team last year, now they have exp. And Wilson as OC a big +++.Looking at the BIG10's - BIG4, Wisc, OSU, PSU, and Mich. I see Penn St with the worst rushing attack when playing the other three. They had rushing totals of 50, 70, and 122 yds last yr. Yet they won two of the three. I see a little luck there, especially against Ohio State.This year Penn St gets a bye then Mich. at home and next Ohio State away. Ohio State has their bye right before the Penn State game. Advantage Ohio State.....big advantage.Michigan is the team I follow. They will be down a notch this year. And they have more than FOUR road games this year!! OH MY!!Two sets of back to back road games. Wisc and Ohio State also back to back. Wisconsin has it the easiest by far!!! Bill Connelly has them favored every game with at Mich. the lowest % at 53%, and Mich. has Ohio State on deck. The Big10 looks pretty much like Ohio State vs Wisc. for the championship with Penn St a close second in the East and Northwestern a little further behind as second in the West.
Well thought out response Im not biased.... everything I have pretty much ever said about Clemson has been SPOT on.... that is fact...all you have to do is research it. Losing Watson hurts no question.... you can't lose the best player in the country and be better...it's not possible...but with that, Dabo has been building a monster at Clemson. The team is DEEP.... You /this forum/ whoever doesn't have to believe me when I say this... But it's Clemson / Bama...............and everyone else. The Talent and the depth on the 2 teams are heads and shoulders above everyone else.  Penn st to me is a team that is very very hungry.... I think they have a solid QB and IMO......................as I stated before last year.... they have the best RB in the country. Barkley is the best RB in the country and it's not even close. IMO....I like Penn st a lot.... we will see what happens. But as for Ohio st.... if they can't complete a forward pass more than 10 yds down the field then they don't have a shot to compete with the Clemson and Bama's of the world.


I think penn state regresses unless anyone else thinks they will truly be able to just chuck balls up in the air again all game and come down with then more than not... their schedule is brutal and they catch ohio state in a pissed off mood coming off of a bye... a luxury they had last year. Yet lightning shouldnt strike 2 times and no way they get 2 special teams scores again..... did u even watch a penn state game last year? ? The box is one thing but it was quite obvious that psu caught more than a few teams off gaurd. And were totally manhandled by ohio stare all game. Given time to prep and watch film i expect a decent regression out of child molester U.
 
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Boom, I've read your posts for years and I agree with 95% of what you say on this board.  Congrats on the Clemson championship last year, it was a long time coming for your fan base.  As for your post above, can you explain why you think the talent/depth at Clemson and Bama is head and shoulders above everyone else?

I get that these teams were the best in country the past 2 years but in 2017 it appears that FSU has just as much or more talent than Clemson (per the last 5 years of recruiting rankings and factoring in 15 returning starters for FSU and 12 for Clemson).  I don't think FSU takes a back seat to Clemson at all in terms of talent/depth this year.  What COULD swing things in Clemson's favor is having that match up at home this season.

As for Penn State, I like them a lot too but there is no question that Ohio State has better talent/depth and they have this game at home this year.  The Bucks also have 2 weeks to prepare while Penn State has Michigan the previous week.  I will be very surprised if Penn State wins this match up in 2017 as I think Urban and Kevin Wilson will have the OSU offense ready to roll.  JT Barrett will complete lots of passes over 10 yards and if they reach the championship vs Bama/FSU/Clemson/Auburn/USC/Oklahoma, the Buckeyes will be very tough to beat.

To sum up, I like FSU's talent/depth over Clemson's and Ohio State's talent/depth over Penn State's.

Your thoughts?


Thanks....and yes I agree with you somewhat... FSU does have tremendous talent and depth...im not gonna argue that because they do.

What makes me think Clemson and Bama is better overall right now???

I follow recruiting probably more than your average fan.... and I know from understanding the depth charts/ player development / etc... that Clemson and Bama are ahead of the game especially at the line of scrimmage....

This season Clemson for example will field THE best DL in the country and it's very deep.... This DL is gonna rival some of the greatest DL in the history of the game...barring injury.

It's not a HUGE gap when I talk about Clemson and Bama being ahead of the Ohio st, USC ( that's southern cal btw.... ) , Oklahoma... those are all blue blood programs and WILL ALWAYS have top talent. But as a whole when you look at college football they're way above everyone else.

The whole Ohio st thing is a little fool's gold if you ask me... I think Urban has done a great job everywhere he's ever been.... But as of NOW....I just think they're somewhere around 3-5th in the pecking order of college football....and Clemson and Bama would both beat them easily... last year....this year....next year..whatever.

      
 
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So Boom - I think I know the answer, but do you think Clemson will TCB against Auburn on Sep 9 as a 6 point favorite?   
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Traderjoe, we're talking Clemson, Bama, and Ohio State here. Not Michigan.
That was the single worst bowl lose in Ohio State history! And I was just having a little fun at OSU's expense. Still am.

Penn State's McSorley throws a nice ball right over the outside shoulder.  Doesn't look pretty, but right where it needs to be. But Penn St will need to upgrade their O-line blocking if they want to run the ball against the better teams. They cannot sustain big play second halfs like they did last year, The run game needs to improve. They have the running back, they need better blocking. We'll see.

Your "gods team" OSU should be in the drivers seat this year in the Big 10. Schedule works in their favor, the addition of Wilson as OC should improve the offense. We'll see. The OSU secondary will show it's worth against Oklahoma. Not too sure about that secondary yet. We'll see.

Right now the Big10 is considered overrated by most and rightfully so. Two playoff shutouts the last two years looks pretty bad.

 
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Clemson number two in country

Hey OP, 10 grand that FSU is better this season.

Clemson doesn't have a qb. What a clown. Put up or shut up
 
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Quote Originally Posted by UNIMAN:

Traderjoe, we're talking Clemson, Bama, and Ohio State here. Not Michigan. That was the single worst bowl lose in Ohio State history! And I was just having a little fun at OSU's expense. Still am.Penn State's McSorley throws a nice ball right over the outside shoulder.  Doesn't look pretty, but right where it needs to be. But Penn St will need to upgrade their O-line blocking if they want to run the ball against the better teams. They cannot sustain big play second halfs like they did last year, The run game needs to improve. They have the running back, they need better blocking. We'll see.Your "gods team" OSU should be in the drivers seat this year in the Big 10. Schedule works in their favor, the addition of Wilson as OC should improve the offense. We'll see. The OSU secondary will show it's worth against Oklahoma. Not too sure about that secondary yet. We'll see.Right now the Big10 is considered overrated by most and rightfully so. Two playoff shutouts the last two years looks pretty bad.



Hate to be in the drivers seat.... catching wolverines after a year of seasoning at home scares the sh@t outta me... i think the iowa game looks to be a trap and earily Similar to michigans trip to iowa last year
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Boom_Boom:



 
The whole Ohio st thing is a little fool's gold if you ask me... I think Urban has done a great job everywhere he's ever been.... But as of NOW....I just think they're somewhere around 3-5th in the pecking order of college football....and Clemson and Bama would both beat them easily... last year....this year....next year..whatever.

      


It will be interesting to see what Ohio State does if they make the playoffs because I think they'll be much improved this year.  Considering they had an 11-1 record heading into the playoffs last year and now they have 15 returning starters, including a senior QB, and an upgrade at offensive coordinator, this could be a scary team come December.  Their talent level is right there with FSU and Clemson (just a notch below Bama).

No doubt that Clemson crushed OSU last year but it might be a different story if these teams were to meet again.  FWIW, Phil Steele ranks OSU's O-line 3rd in the country behind Oklahoma and Bama and he ranks OSU's d-line 2nd in the country behind Clemson.

The Buckeyes will be very strong in the trenches.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by LonghornHoosier:

So Boom - I think I know the answer, but do you think Clemson will TCB against Auburn on Sep 9 as a 6 point favorite?   


I think the number is Clemson -7? -6? Is that right?

As of now yes, I see Clemson winning this game. Clemson as stated before is just much deeper overall across the field and especially at the line of scrimmage. This will be a night game at the Valley and Clemson very rarely loses this type of game....

Auburn IMO will be a good team this year. I have them in my top 10 to start the season....and the new QB will do great things if you ask me... But... But... But.... this will be his biggest test of his young career. Going to Death Valley at night on the road WILL be a task.

As the season continues he will get much better. I think Auburn is a solid team.

as of now.... Clemson wins this game something like

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It will be interesting to see what Ohio State does if they make the playoffs because I think they'll be much improved this year.  Considering they had an 11-1 record heading into the playoffs last year and now they have 15 returning starters, including a senior QB, and an upgrade at offensive coordinator, this could be a scary team come December.  Their talent level is right there with FSU and Clemson (just a notch below Bama).

No doubt that Clemson crushed OSU last year but it might be a different story if these teams were to meet again.  FWIW, Phil Steele ranks OSU's O-line 3rd in the country behind Oklahoma and Bama and he ranks OSU's d-line 2nd in the country behind Clemson.

The Buckeyes will be very strong in the trenches.


Don't disagree with anything you said.... I just think/ I hope ...If Ohio st doesn't win the Big 10 this year the committee doesn't grant them a pass and put them in.... Last year was a disgrace and I was at the front of the line calling them out for it.


 
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I'm still hurting from that Clemson game!
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BOL this year buddy 
 
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Quote Originally Posted by firesox:

Clemson number two in country

Hey OP, 10 grand that FSU is better this season.

Clemson doesn't have a qb. What a clown. Put up or shut up

I realise I have been goaded into giving you the attention you so desperately crave but.... please go away

This is a good discussion. Many such as myself who know nothing about football come to this forum to follow cappers that do. It is streets ahead of everything on Covers except possibly soccer

Nobody cares about your need to convince yourself of your superiority over Boom. Nobody

Why not start your own thread which accumulates over the season?  If you're good credibility will come your way soon enough

Thanks and good luck for the season
 
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Ramanujan, I think I know you from possibly Megas forum last year, but you have to understand that many on the Covers forum like this punk, and that is exactly what he is, have mental and emotional problems, so they come to these forums in search of the attention they do not get in there daily lives, so antagonizing fills a void they have, and yes it is a mental illness.

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What do think about bama -7...I'm thinking they want to make a statement  on the first game. Even though i have florida state as a dark horse for the national championship. Plus i got the under on whatever the number it is. GL Boom doubt you need any!
 
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Quote Originally Posted by wegstar21:

What do think about bama -7...I'm thinking they want to make a statement  on the first game. Even though i have florida state as a dark horse for the national championship. Plus i got the under on whatever the number it is. GL Boom doubt you need any!


I honestly don't know how this game is going to go....and honestly, nobody does....if they say they do....they're lying. This is about a toss up.

I lean slightly Alabama....I think Bama is better on the line of scrimmage and if FSU hasn't got that OL fixed from last year ( which I think  they will/should be better )...they could get mauled.

my best advice....just watch and enjoy the game..no bet

 
 
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Hey Urban I appreciate the input. A slight enhancement; I've no desire to know about the game itself in detail. But I want to make money and I love the back and forth on this forum. I have no interest in watching the games but love this place!

(Except of course for Bama-Clemson last year. As close to the perfect game as you'll ever see. Similar to the Cubs v Indians series. You don't have to enjoy the game to love the event due to the narrative behind it)
 
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Thx.. I'll take that advise...
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Ramanujan:


I realise I have been goaded into giving you the attention you so desperately crave but.... please go away

This is a good discussion. Many such as myself who know nothing about football come to this forum to follow cappers that do. It is streets ahead of everything on Covers except possibly soccer

Nobody cares about your need to convince yourself of your superiority over Boom. Nobody

Why not start your own thread which accumulates over the season?  If you're good credibility will come your way soon enough

Thanks and good luck for the season

you are projecting. I could care less about "superiorty" You and your words show how little you actually think of yourself. I'm simply asking OP to test his ideas in the free market. If you can't back your opinions up, they are worth nothing. Like I said, my offer stands for anyone in this thread.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Ramanujan:


I realise I have been goaded into giving you the attention you so desperately crave but.... please go away

This is a good discussion. Many such as myself who know nothing about football come to this forum to follow cappers that do. It is streets ahead of everything on Covers except possibly soccer

Nobody cares about your need to convince yourself of your superiority over Boom. Nobody

Why not start your own thread which accumulates over the season?  If you're good credibility will come your way soon enough

Thanks and good luck for the season

you are projecting. I could care less about "superiorty" You and your words show how little you actually think of yourself. I'm simply asking OP to test his ideas in the free market. If you can't back your opinions up, they are worth nothing. Like I said, my offer stands for anyone in this thread.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Ramanujan:


I realise I have been goaded into giving you the attention you so desperately crave but.... please go away

This is a good discussion. Many such as myself who know nothing about football come to this forum to follow cappers that do. It is streets ahead of everything on Covers except possibly soccer

Nobody cares about your need to convince yourself of your superiority over Boom. Nobody

Why not start your own thread which accumulates over the season?  If you're good credibility will come your way soon enough

Thanks and good luck for the season

you are projecting. I could care less about "superiorty" You and your words show how little you actually think of yourself. I'm simply asking OP to test his ideas in the free market. If you can't back your opinions up, they are worth nothing. Like I said, my offer stands for anyone in this thread.
 
 
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Ramunujan pay no mind to the mentally and emotionally disturbed nutcase, as his Avon cosmetic sales are slow, so he comes on to the forum to antagonize to fill his need for the attention he does not get in his daily life.
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