Here's a decent VEGAS style top 25..... * a combo of Gold Sheet / Sagarin / Linesmaker power ratings....with a bit of my own sprinkled in here and there
THE REAL TOP 25
1 FLA ST 100 2 BAMA 98.5 3 OREGON 98.5 4 AUBURN 95.0 5 UCLA 94.5 6 OU 94.0 7 GEORGIA 94.0 8 MICH ST 94.0 9 BAYLOR 93.5 10 TREE 93.0 11 USC 93.0 12 A&M 92.0 13 LSU 91.5 14 OHIO ST 90.5 15 FLA 90.0 16 S CARO 89.0 17 N DAME 89.0 18 OLE MISS 88.0 19 WISKY 87.5 20 KAN ST 87.0 21 OKIE ST 87.0 22 WASH 86.5 23 CLEMSON 86.5 24 LOUISVILLE 86.5 25 ARIZ ST 86.0 also........ 26 TEXAS 86.0 27 BYU 85.5 29 N CARO 85.5 29 ARIZ 85.0 30 MICHIGAN 85.0 31 VA TECH 84.0 32 IOWA 84.0 33 MIAMI 84.0 34 TCU 83.5 35 NEB 83.0 36 PENN ST 83.0 37 OREG ST 83.0 38 DUKE 82.0 39 UCF 82.0 40 TENN 82.0 41 MARY 82.0
*not a bad start in building your own numbers.... do it by conference maybe.... eg. Big 12
OU 94.0 Bay 93.5 Kan St 87.0 Okie St 87.0 Texas 86.0 TCU 83.5 ----------------- then using whatever PR numbers you like *Sagarin...Massey...Dunkel...Steele.... finish....then finally adjust them the way you want maybe like this....
TTech 81.5 WVirg 79.0 Iowa St 74.0 Kan 73.0
FYI...........................
I'M REALLY NOT SURE..... *WHY SO MANY ARE CONFUSED BY POWER RATINGS / AND THEIR USE.... *many pros.....who often bet multiple sports....may base a play solely off PR differentials.....one of 2-3 points = a play in NFL.....maybe slightly more in CFB
ME?....I use them as a starting point.....to suggest VALUE *just as a day trader might for example
I then investigate further....considering situational and match-up factors........> kinda sorta..... 'what is this companies track record / past performance......leadership .....what does the future hold?...+++++ *sometimes if the value is great enough of course....you play immediately
WHY.....in TF *would anyone interpret having a solid basis for determining VALUE........as some GUARANTEE of success?...... especially game by game?.....
EGGZACTLY.....how OBTUSE can (you) be?......no limits it seems.... *IF..... 2 given teams would play say 10X for example....you would see that (solid) numbers are pretty close
eg. Bama vs Ole Miss ?.....they play 10X.....Bama's MOV would probably be about 7'-10 points on average......The Rebels might just win that 1st one........does that mean that your numbers were wrong?....or even need to be (necessarily) adjusted......OF COURSE NOT ................... holy crap it ain't that tough ........
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Here's a decent VEGAS style top 25..... * a combo of Gold Sheet / Sagarin / Linesmaker power ratings....with a bit of my own sprinkled in here and there
THE REAL TOP 25
1 FLA ST 100 2 BAMA 98.5 3 OREGON 98.5 4 AUBURN 95.0 5 UCLA 94.5 6 OU 94.0 7 GEORGIA 94.0 8 MICH ST 94.0 9 BAYLOR 93.5 10 TREE 93.0 11 USC 93.0 12 A&M 92.0 13 LSU 91.5 14 OHIO ST 90.5 15 FLA 90.0 16 S CARO 89.0 17 N DAME 89.0 18 OLE MISS 88.0 19 WISKY 87.5 20 KAN ST 87.0 21 OKIE ST 87.0 22 WASH 86.5 23 CLEMSON 86.5 24 LOUISVILLE 86.5 25 ARIZ ST 86.0 also........ 26 TEXAS 86.0 27 BYU 85.5 29 N CARO 85.5 29 ARIZ 85.0 30 MICHIGAN 85.0 31 VA TECH 84.0 32 IOWA 84.0 33 MIAMI 84.0 34 TCU 83.5 35 NEB 83.0 36 PENN ST 83.0 37 OREG ST 83.0 38 DUKE 82.0 39 UCF 82.0 40 TENN 82.0 41 MARY 82.0
*not a bad start in building your own numbers.... do it by conference maybe.... eg. Big 12
OU 94.0 Bay 93.5 Kan St 87.0 Okie St 87.0 Texas 86.0 TCU 83.5 ----------------- then using whatever PR numbers you like *Sagarin...Massey...Dunkel...Steele.... finish....then finally adjust them the way you want maybe like this....
TTech 81.5 WVirg 79.0 Iowa St 74.0 Kan 73.0
FYI...........................
I'M REALLY NOT SURE..... *WHY SO MANY ARE CONFUSED BY POWER RATINGS / AND THEIR USE.... *many pros.....who often bet multiple sports....may base a play solely off PR differentials.....one of 2-3 points = a play in NFL.....maybe slightly more in CFB
ME?....I use them as a starting point.....to suggest VALUE *just as a day trader might for example
I then investigate further....considering situational and match-up factors........> kinda sorta..... 'what is this companies track record / past performance......leadership .....what does the future hold?...+++++ *sometimes if the value is great enough of course....you play immediately
WHY.....in TF *would anyone interpret having a solid basis for determining VALUE........as some GUARANTEE of success?...... especially game by game?.....
EGGZACTLY.....how OBTUSE can (you) be?......no limits it seems.... *IF..... 2 given teams would play say 10X for example....you would see that (solid) numbers are pretty close
eg. Bama vs Ole Miss ?.....they play 10X.....Bama's MOV would probably be about 7'-10 points on average......The Rebels might just win that 1st one........does that mean that your numbers were wrong?....or even need to be (necessarily) adjusted......OF COURSE NOT ................... holy crap it ain't that tough ........
BTW.....I did not adjust these to fit my personal opinions *IMO.....FSU ain't the nation's top team.....UCLA ain't #4 right now adjustments were along the lines of 'correcting' extreme discrepancies...... *ie. Sagarin has a team 20 spots lower that the Gold Sheet and others.....I might bump them up a notch or two
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BTW.....I did not adjust these to fit my personal opinions *IMO.....FSU ain't the nation's top team.....UCLA ain't #4 right now adjustments were along the lines of 'correcting' extreme discrepancies...... *ie. Sagarin has a team 20 spots lower that the Gold Sheet and others.....I might bump them up a notch or two
*very few adults with an IQ in the triple digits....would draw conclusions from one game....a minor adjustment of 2-3 points max is the standard......only well into the season can you really conclude much.....esp since Husky QB was out.....a potentially 3-7 pt adjustment,,,,,depending on how good Miles turns out to be
I ASSUME YOU WILL ACCEPT MY CHALLENGE? * and share your great knowledge?
and stop being a spineless / pompous little b-i-t-c-h that contributes nothing? ...........
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Quote Originally Posted by smarterthanyou:
is that why you were so far off on wash/haw?
IT'S ONE F'IN GAME STUPID
*very few adults with an IQ in the triple digits....would draw conclusions from one game....a minor adjustment of 2-3 points max is the standard......only well into the season can you really conclude much.....esp since Husky QB was out.....a potentially 3-7 pt adjustment,,,,,depending on how good Miles turns out to be
I ASSUME YOU WILL ACCEPT MY CHALLENGE? * and share your great knowledge?
and stop being a spineless / pompous little b-i-t-c-h that contributes nothing? ...........
Good stuff bookie and lol @dumberthanyou should go eat a d i c k brah
good man BOL this week............
I believe STY is actually a chick..... *the way (he) never contributes....only complains
MAYBE .....she will post some pics......if not too root-like *or at least bring the MEN beer / sandwiches perhaps while we're working.....who knows maybe offer up some booty.......
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Quote Originally Posted by azplaya:
Good stuff bookie and lol @dumberthanyou should go eat a d i c k brah
good man BOL this week............
I believe STY is actually a chick..... *the way (he) never contributes....only complains
MAYBE .....she will post some pics......if not too root-like *or at least bring the MEN beer / sandwiches perhaps while we're working.....who knows maybe offer up some booty.......
Bookie... talk to me about Pitt -4 at BC... Pitt is my pick to win the Coastal and I think BC, even though they beat UMASS last week, is a dumpster fire of a team this year...
28-10 Pitt? Friday night road chalk, yadda yadda..
hit me with some knowledge!
As in.....what are the possible reasons BC can (even hope) to keep this one close?..........
Kinda looks like they get rolled here don't it? *Pitt finally with an OL and (maybe) great RB...and great WR BC.......with..................nothing really...... *with injuries....now 2/6 starters...PLUS 2 st WR are OUT...(ret st OG Williams is out)
???........Pitt in Chryst's 2nd year kinda got worse....SOS bout the same,,..... D with 8 ret starters (with Outland winner Donald) was worse wtf... *pts 21 > 27...TD 331 > 368...4.9 > 5.5/play ...15.7 > 13.5 yd/pt 3.8 > 4.0/rush.....so now (5 back) they get better in 2014?....or worse again?.......BC with Murphy at QB may be able to move it here........??
ST went from #51 or so in 2012 to one of nation's worst in 2013 (#103)...use of field position from #45 to #89 O about the same.....slightly less efficient.........
They seem to struggle (more so) on the road as well......BC pretty tough at home (5-1 SU / 5-1 ATS).....played Fla St tougher than anyone else.....beat VT
With the (looks like) HUGE talent edge.....Pitt seems to be worth the risk.....I'm pretty bad at guessing which Pitt team shows up....so no play for me..........
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Quote Originally Posted by SatNightFever05:
Bookie... talk to me about Pitt -4 at BC... Pitt is my pick to win the Coastal and I think BC, even though they beat UMASS last week, is a dumpster fire of a team this year...
28-10 Pitt? Friday night road chalk, yadda yadda..
hit me with some knowledge!
As in.....what are the possible reasons BC can (even hope) to keep this one close?..........
Kinda looks like they get rolled here don't it? *Pitt finally with an OL and (maybe) great RB...and great WR BC.......with..................nothing really...... *with injuries....now 2/6 starters...PLUS 2 st WR are OUT...(ret st OG Williams is out)
???........Pitt in Chryst's 2nd year kinda got worse....SOS bout the same,,..... D with 8 ret starters (with Outland winner Donald) was worse wtf... *pts 21 > 27...TD 331 > 368...4.9 > 5.5/play ...15.7 > 13.5 yd/pt 3.8 > 4.0/rush.....so now (5 back) they get better in 2014?....or worse again?.......BC with Murphy at QB may be able to move it here........??
ST went from #51 or so in 2012 to one of nation's worst in 2013 (#103)...use of field position from #45 to #89 O about the same.....slightly less efficient.........
They seem to struggle (more so) on the road as well......BC pretty tough at home (5-1 SU / 5-1 ATS).....played Fla St tougher than anyone else.....beat VT
With the (looks like) HUGE talent edge.....Pitt seems to be worth the risk.....I'm pretty bad at guessing which Pitt team shows up....so no play for me..........
*very few adults with an IQ in the triple digits....would draw conclusions from one game....a minor adjustment of 2-3 points max is the standard......only well into the season can you really conclude much.....esp since Husky QB was out.....a potentially 3-7 pt adjustment,,,,,depending on how good Miles turns out to be
I ASSUME YOU WILL ACCEPT MY CHALLENGE? * and share your great knowledge?
and stop being a spineless / pompous little b-i-t-c-h that contributes nothing? ...........
Just ignore this twit. This is why great posters get sick of Covers and take off. I'd hate to have that happen. One of three threads worth reading on a consistent basis.
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Quote Originally Posted by bookieassassin:
IT'S ONE F'IN GAME STUPID
*very few adults with an IQ in the triple digits....would draw conclusions from one game....a minor adjustment of 2-3 points max is the standard......only well into the season can you really conclude much.....esp since Husky QB was out.....a potentially 3-7 pt adjustment,,,,,depending on how good Miles turns out to be
I ASSUME YOU WILL ACCEPT MY CHALLENGE? * and share your great knowledge?
and stop being a spineless / pompous little b-i-t-c-h that contributes nothing? ...........
Just ignore this twit. This is why great posters get sick of Covers and take off. I'd hate to have that happen. One of three threads worth reading on a consistent basis.
Book, I'm curious about your idea on the@ E. Ill. -10 vs. So. Ill. That sounds nice for the home team. Very tempted myself.
I have one recommendation to argue about. I like @U Mon -14 vs. Idaho.
The thing about Barret from OSU was that he hung in and got a little better as the game went on. I'm thinking he improves more next game and if not a break out game then plenty to cover 12 against a average team in the home opener. Just a thought.
GL, Doc
man you gotta like the Salukis there... *bring back 16 st from a team that took E Illinois to 2 OT LY Jimmy G was the difference (34-56 / 440)....Salukis systems firmly in place (but new OC/DC).....Panthers of course with new HC / systems....off misleading game at Minny (scored 2TD last minute or so wtf) .........glad I had the 33'..........Sagarin has SI as 6 pts better....meaning they should be favored here .............................? *his FCS numbers are usually pretty good it seems Massey has EI favored by 9
I like ULM too....just a terrible spot for the Vandals.... *fly to Gainesville by way of MOSCOW somehow.....returning to MOSCOW..........then to MONROE , La somehow .......HEAT *ULM with LSU on deck.....should TCB here...........
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Quote Originally Posted by Pecador:
Book, I'm curious about your idea on the@ E. Ill. -10 vs. So. Ill. That sounds nice for the home team. Very tempted myself.
I have one recommendation to argue about. I like @U Mon -14 vs. Idaho.
The thing about Barret from OSU was that he hung in and got a little better as the game went on. I'm thinking he improves more next game and if not a break out game then plenty to cover 12 against a average team in the home opener. Just a thought.
GL, Doc
man you gotta like the Salukis there... *bring back 16 st from a team that took E Illinois to 2 OT LY Jimmy G was the difference (34-56 / 440)....Salukis systems firmly in place (but new OC/DC).....Panthers of course with new HC / systems....off misleading game at Minny (scored 2TD last minute or so wtf) .........glad I had the 33'..........Sagarin has SI as 6 pts better....meaning they should be favored here .............................? *his FCS numbers are usually pretty good it seems Massey has EI favored by 9
I like ULM too....just a terrible spot for the Vandals.... *fly to Gainesville by way of MOSCOW somehow.....returning to MOSCOW..........then to MONROE , La somehow .......HEAT *ULM with LSU on deck.....should TCB here...........
Wagner at Florida International Sat 9/6 407 Wagner +14 -120 6:00PM 408 Florida International -14 -120
What do you know about Wagner BA? I really cant fathom FIU being 2 tds better than anyone at this moment.....
Love your thread. Most informative on covers.
IF......we were smart *we (me) would focus like a MOFO on games like this ........ I think for the helluva of it......a fine degenerate move
FIU.....off a life/death struggle with BC.....has Pitt on deck...can't be too fired up here..... Bethune Cookman ......about 15 pts better than Wagner / so slightly better than FIU.......TOTALLY shut down FIU....Panthers only 186 TO...2.4 / play....and 1-16 on 3rd ......... *that Mario Cristobal has gotta be ROTFLHFAO ..........
Problem here....is it's really hard to get a read on Wagner *most PR numbers say the line is about right....7/7 st back from 3-8 ........Seahawks lose QB/ RB.....but 4/5 OL back and did beat Georgetown (the football team I believe)............last week......
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Quote Originally Posted by TRAIN69:
Wagner at Florida International Sat 9/6 407 Wagner +14 -120 6:00PM 408 Florida International -14 -120
What do you know about Wagner BA? I really cant fathom FIU being 2 tds better than anyone at this moment.....
Love your thread. Most informative on covers.
IF......we were smart *we (me) would focus like a MOFO on games like this ........ I think for the helluva of it......a fine degenerate move
FIU.....off a life/death struggle with BC.....has Pitt on deck...can't be too fired up here..... Bethune Cookman ......about 15 pts better than Wagner / so slightly better than FIU.......TOTALLY shut down FIU....Panthers only 186 TO...2.4 / play....and 1-16 on 3rd ......... *that Mario Cristobal has gotta be ROTFLHFAO ..........
Problem here....is it's really hard to get a read on Wagner *most PR numbers say the line is about right....7/7 st back from 3-8 ........Seahawks lose QB/ RB.....but 4/5 OL back and did beat Georgetown (the football team I believe)............last week......
Just ignore this twit. This is why great posters get sick of Covers and take off. I'd hate to have that happen. One of three threads worth reading on a consistent basis.
ain't gotta worry 'bout me Skipster..... *this sack-o-sh-i-t......don't bother me Sam Kinison taught me how to deal with hecklers........... *whether simply ignoring his silly-a=s=s here.....to setting the record straight........or perhaps giving his mom a volcano-like.......lecithin mega-dose fueled facial....followed by me shaving her moustache > leaving her with a Hitler.....just for grins...my heart rate never rising above 65 or so...................
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Quote Originally Posted by Skipster:
Just ignore this twit. This is why great posters get sick of Covers and take off. I'd hate to have that happen. One of three threads worth reading on a consistent basis.
ain't gotta worry 'bout me Skipster..... *this sack-o-sh-i-t......don't bother me Sam Kinison taught me how to deal with hecklers........... *whether simply ignoring his silly-a=s=s here.....to setting the record straight........or perhaps giving his mom a volcano-like.......lecithin mega-dose fueled facial....followed by me shaving her moustache > leaving her with a Hitler.....just for grins...my heart rate never rising above 65 or so...................
ain't gotta worry 'bout me Skipster..... *this sack-o-sh-i-t......don't bother me Sam Kinison taught me how to deal with hecklers........... *whether simply ignoring his silly-a=s=s here.....to setting the record straight........or perhaps giving his mom a volcano-like.......lecithin mega-dose fueled facial....followed by me shaving her moustache > leaving her with a Hitler.....just for grins...my heart rate never rising above 65 or so...................
All we really need is to focus on winning football bets. Twits come and go, but bankrolls will increase with our ability to focus on the task at hand.
BA, Best of Luck this Week
Helping Kama'aina to beat their " Local " since 1994.
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Quote Originally Posted by bookieassassin:
ain't gotta worry 'bout me Skipster..... *this sack-o-sh-i-t......don't bother me Sam Kinison taught me how to deal with hecklers........... *whether simply ignoring his silly-a=s=s here.....to setting the record straight........or perhaps giving his mom a volcano-like.......lecithin mega-dose fueled facial....followed by me shaving her moustache > leaving her with a Hitler.....just for grins...my heart rate never rising above 65 or so...................
All we really need is to focus on winning football bets. Twits come and go, but bankrolls will increase with our ability to focus on the task at hand.
good man GotNYCinme.....all the best................
a few injury updates.........new stuff in bold *D = doubtful....P = probable
WEEK 2 KEY injuries *check status https://www.donbest.com/ncaaf/injuries/ https://www.philsteele.com/FBSInfo/schoollinks.html
QB TEXAS ASH is OUT Army Schurr P Baylor Petty OUT FAU Jaquez Johnson P Mich St Cook P New Mex Gautsche D / Mitchem will start (7 st / capable) ----------------------------- UConn Cochran OUT BGreen *** Johnson OFY *** Miss St Prescott P USC Kessler P
RB / WR Ark St Gordon P Army Maples P UCF Stanback P CM WR Davis....D Iowa St WR Bundrage OUT Kan St WR Lockett P Kent St RB Durham D Mich St Langford P Okie St Roland ? S CAr Davis....? USF Tice + WR Davis Vandy RB SEymour P -------------------------- NW top WR TONY Jones OUT...as is bu McHugh *note former top WR Christian Jones OFY as is RB Mark (quit) NIU RB Stingily still out BAY WR Norwood out 3 wks...several more WR ??? Kentucky RB Heard out Col St TE Cartwright OUT PITT WR Boyd P
also.....
TEXAS 5th yr C (40 starts) Espinosa OFY *check status of BYU NG Marques Johnson off susp OT's Harrison and Estelle OUT **** vs BYU...Horns now have 0/5 OL st back...and 4 STARTS **** (both G with 2 / bowl + NT) DUCKS CB IEO is P NEB DE Gregory (best def player by far) OUT Army OL banged up Kentucky WR's Minn Def front NMex OL UNC DB's Ohio OL Wazzu WR's
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good man GotNYCinme.....all the best................
a few injury updates.........new stuff in bold *D = doubtful....P = probable
WEEK 2 KEY injuries *check status https://www.donbest.com/ncaaf/injuries/ https://www.philsteele.com/FBSInfo/schoollinks.html
QB TEXAS ASH is OUT Army Schurr P Baylor Petty OUT FAU Jaquez Johnson P Mich St Cook P New Mex Gautsche D / Mitchem will start (7 st / capable) ----------------------------- UConn Cochran OUT BGreen *** Johnson OFY *** Miss St Prescott P USC Kessler P
RB / WR Ark St Gordon P Army Maples P UCF Stanback P CM WR Davis....D Iowa St WR Bundrage OUT Kan St WR Lockett P Kent St RB Durham D Mich St Langford P Okie St Roland ? S CAr Davis....? USF Tice + WR Davis Vandy RB SEymour P -------------------------- NW top WR TONY Jones OUT...as is bu McHugh *note former top WR Christian Jones OFY as is RB Mark (quit) NIU RB Stingily still out BAY WR Norwood out 3 wks...several more WR ??? Kentucky RB Heard out Col St TE Cartwright OUT PITT WR Boyd P
also.....
TEXAS 5th yr C (40 starts) Espinosa OFY *check status of BYU NG Marques Johnson off susp OT's Harrison and Estelle OUT **** vs BYU...Horns now have 0/5 OL st back...and 4 STARTS **** (both G with 2 / bowl + NT) DUCKS CB IEO is P NEB DE Gregory (best def player by far) OUT Army OL banged up Kentucky WR's Minn Def front NMex OL UNC DB's Ohio OL Wazzu WR's
BA ... as a follower of urs, I try to keep track of your weekly choies. Because u provide so much info I'm not sure I have a handle on it. My ? is .. do you ever do a single post before the weekend w. ur picks ?
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BA ... as a follower of urs, I try to keep track of your weekly choies. Because u provide so much info I'm not sure I have a handle on it. My ? is .. do you ever do a single post before the weekend w. ur picks ?
BA ... as a follower of urs, I try to keep track of your weekly choies. Because u provide so much info I'm not sure I have a handle on it. My ? is .. do you ever do a single post before the weekend w. ur picks ?
thanks man....... about to wrap it up....
posted earlier
TOP PLAYS *2 units+
Akron +17' Col St +10'
ONE UNIT
Zona -7 L Wazzu P Ball St +17' VT +12 Kentucky -9'
smaller Tulane +10
*also played UTEP/ TT over 64.....Tulane / GT over 52 will probably add...... N Illinois ....Wyo......Ark St
maybe...Utah....Terps....FLA!....Duke TT.....Cal?....Miami O ?....TX +7' / under 52 ??
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Quote Originally Posted by lfod:
BA ... as a follower of urs, I try to keep track of your weekly choies. Because u provide so much info I'm not sure I have a handle on it. My ? is .. do you ever do a single post before the weekend w. ur picks ?
thanks man....... about to wrap it up....
posted earlier
TOP PLAYS *2 units+
Akron +17' Col St +10'
ONE UNIT
Zona -7 L Wazzu P Ball St +17' VT +12 Kentucky -9'
smaller Tulane +10
*also played UTEP/ TT over 64.....Tulane / GT over 52 will probably add...... N Illinois ....Wyo......Ark St
maybe...Utah....Terps....FLA!....Duke TT.....Cal?....Miami O ?....TX +7' / under 52 ??
What a tool and a troll......ignore the noise. No one puts more time and details into this forum that you BA. Thank you Thank you for your diligence and knowledge.
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Quote Originally Posted by smarterthanyou:
is that why you were so far off on wash/haw?
What a tool and a troll......ignore the noise. No one puts more time and details into this forum that you BA. Thank you Thank you for your diligence and knowledge.
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