Get with the PG (thats program), my fellow degenerate brethrens.
Either bet the fave to win in blow-out fashion or take the underdog to win straight-up. Whatever side you take, just bet it with the confidence of knowing those will be the results.
I know its not my money but i'm a little perturbed when you guys waste an extra .15 cents for the hook or points you don't even need. And i'm seeing this is the case for what i assume are veteran sportsbettors.
Shake.
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Get with the PG (thats program), my fellow degenerate brethrens.
Either bet the fave to win in blow-out fashion or take the underdog to win straight-up. Whatever side you take, just bet it with the confidence of knowing those will be the results.
I know its not my money but i'm a little perturbed when you guys waste an extra .15 cents for the hook or points you don't even need. And i'm seeing this is the case for what i assume are veteran sportsbettors.
Either bet the fave to win in blow-out fashion or take the underdog to win straight-up. Whatever side you take, just bet it with the confidence of knowing those will be the results.
You're confusing your own personal betting style with what you think is the way to go. I'm completely with you with the not buying points thing, and sure, there are a ton of situations where it is best to take the underdog ML, but if you're trying to convince people that it's wrong to take the points instead of the underdog moneyline you're eliminating potential plays from yourself.
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Quote Originally Posted by HappyKane:
Either bet the fave to win in blow-out fashion or take the underdog to win straight-up. Whatever side you take, just bet it with the confidence of knowing those will be the results.
You're confusing your own personal betting style with what you think is the way to go. I'm completely with you with the not buying points thing, and sure, there are a ton of situations where it is best to take the underdog ML, but if you're trying to convince people that it's wrong to take the points instead of the underdog moneyline you're eliminating potential plays from yourself.
I didn't say you were wrong for doing that or that you wouldn't win by not ever taking the points, but that's just how you do things. Some people are better at picking out underdog winners and some people have better results when they use the points. It's just a preference thing, but usually the people who only focus on finding underdog winners ignore the larger underdogs or shy away from games they feel are a couple points off.
Acting as if you're right to play the favorite spread and wrong to play the underdog spread is very incorrrect.
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I didn't say you were wrong for doing that or that you wouldn't win by not ever taking the points, but that's just how you do things. Some people are better at picking out underdog winners and some people have better results when they use the points. It's just a preference thing, but usually the people who only focus on finding underdog winners ignore the larger underdogs or shy away from games they feel are a couple points off.
Acting as if you're right to play the favorite spread and wrong to play the underdog spread is very incorrrect.
I didn't say you were wrong for doing that or that you wouldn't win by not ever taking the points, but that's just how you do things. Some people are better at picking out underdog winners and some people have better results when they use the points. It's just a preference thing, but usually the people who only focus on finding underdog winners ignore the larger underdogs or shy away from games they feel are a couple points off.
Acting as if you're right to play the favorite spread and wrong to play the underdog spread is very incorrrect.
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I didn't say you were wrong for doing that or that you wouldn't win by not ever taking the points, but that's just how you do things. Some people are better at picking out underdog winners and some people have better results when they use the points. It's just a preference thing, but usually the people who only focus on finding underdog winners ignore the larger underdogs or shy away from games they feel are a couple points off.
Acting as if you're right to play the favorite spread and wrong to play the underdog spread is very incorrrect.
Fairweatherfan - Hehe. Nothing wrong with playing either spread. I had to play Wisconsin +3.5 because the line is what it is. Same deal for faves that i'm confident with. Same deal with the NBA playoffs this year -- just had to take whatever the lines the books gave 'ya even though the spread didn't matter most of the time.
Again, not my money but... avoiding the hook with Miami -3.5 isn't the only case i can make thus far.
It seems... that... buying points is as bad as second-guessing yourself. Why not take Wisconsin if you're uncomfortable with Miami -3.5?
Fairweatherfan - Hehe. Nothing wrong with playing either spread. I had to play Wisconsin +3.5 because the line is what it is. Same deal for faves that i'm confident with. Same deal with the NBA playoffs this year -- just had to take whatever the lines the books gave 'ya even though the spread didn't matter most of the time.
Again, not my money but... avoiding the hook with Miami -3.5 isn't the only case i can make thus far.
It seems... that... buying points is as bad as second-guessing yourself. Why not take Wisconsin if you're uncomfortable with Miami -3.5?
And i'm not saying i've never bought points either. In fact, for some games with a small spreads, i've been guilty of just taking the fave on the Moneyline. Even though its been mostly in the NBA.
Its more of a gray area for most of us, i think, when it comes to our different styles of wagering. But if you took a look at the NBA playoffs spreads and assess the results... and do the same for this years NCAA football Bowl games... y'all know what i'm getting at.
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And i'm not saying i've never bought points either. In fact, for some games with a small spreads, i've been guilty of just taking the fave on the Moneyline. Even though its been mostly in the NBA.
Its more of a gray area for most of us, i think, when it comes to our different styles of wagering. But if you took a look at the NBA playoffs spreads and assess the results... and do the same for this years NCAA football Bowl games... y'all know what i'm getting at.
You're point couldn't be stronger than this season where 7 underdogs have already won straight up. Although I agree with the others (and even to your admittance) that buying points is necessary sometimes, you're hitting on a solid idea here where non-conference, end-of-the-season games create difficult scenarios to handicap, especially if their schedules have been very different throughout the course of the season. GL brother
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Kane-
You're point couldn't be stronger than this season where 7 underdogs have already won straight up. Although I agree with the others (and even to your admittance) that buying points is necessary sometimes, you're hitting on a solid idea here where non-conference, end-of-the-season games create difficult scenarios to handicap, especially if their schedules have been very different throughout the course of the season. GL brother
I'm sure the books enjoyed the extra cash some bettors paid to get Miami at -3.
But its more gray than a straight line. I'm not adverse to buying points or just playing the Moneyline when there is only one game on the board like MNF or something like that and you expect a tight game. No right or wrong, fellas. And, yes, i've been burned by the hook before. In a year where you end up making thousands of wagers, you just have to swallow some of those tough losses. And when you wager just a small percentage of your bankroll you can actually laugh at some of those tough losses. It happens.
Heck, i might just go for the Huskers Moneyline tonight. Like the UNC/Pitt game, this one might be tight also. I'm really not fond of Zac Lee but i do trust this Huskers defense.
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I'm sure the books enjoyed the extra cash some bettors paid to get Miami at -3.
But its more gray than a straight line. I'm not adverse to buying points or just playing the Moneyline when there is only one game on the board like MNF or something like that and you expect a tight game. No right or wrong, fellas. And, yes, i've been burned by the hook before. In a year where you end up making thousands of wagers, you just have to swallow some of those tough losses. And when you wager just a small percentage of your bankroll you can actually laugh at some of those tough losses. It happens.
Heck, i might just go for the Huskers Moneyline tonight. Like the UNC/Pitt game, this one might be tight also. I'm really not fond of Zac Lee but i do trust this Huskers defense.
I think stating it is a gray area is correct. If ones handicapping says to play Miami, then personally i am going to buy it down to 3, i am not going to play Wiscy just because of the half point. And if you hit one out of ten, then it is worth it. In fact, there are many times, obviously, where the juice won't play because you cover anyway { 4 point or better win in this Miami example} . I only buy halves on halves, never on a solid number{3, 7}. Just my opinion
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I think stating it is a gray area is correct. If ones handicapping says to play Miami, then personally i am going to buy it down to 3, i am not going to play Wiscy just because of the half point. And if you hit one out of ten, then it is worth it. In fact, there are many times, obviously, where the juice won't play because you cover anyway { 4 point or better win in this Miami example} . I only buy halves on halves, never on a solid number{3, 7}. Just my opinion
You're confusing your own personal betting style with what you think is the way to go. I'm completely with you with the not buying points thing, and sure, there are a ton of situations where it is best to take the underdog ML, but if you're trying to convince people that it's wrong to take the points instead of the underdog moneyline you're eliminating potential plays from yourself.
It's a pretty well-established fact that in bowl games with under a touchdown worth of spread, taking the points just means you're eliminating a ton of value. He's right to take the underdog SU in 100% of those situations.
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Quote Originally Posted by Fairweatherfan:
You're confusing your own personal betting style with what you think is the way to go. I'm completely with you with the not buying points thing, and sure, there are a ton of situations where it is best to take the underdog ML, but if you're trying to convince people that it's wrong to take the points instead of the underdog moneyline you're eliminating potential plays from yourself.
It's a pretty well-established fact that in bowl games with under a touchdown worth of spread, taking the points just means you're eliminating a ton of value. He's right to take the underdog SU in 100% of those situations.
No, I haven't capped the game. My statement wasn't about blindly taking every ML dog, it's about (if you like the dog in a particular game) taking the ML play rather than the points. Long-term you are way better off.
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No, I haven't capped the game. My statement wasn't about blindly taking every ML dog, it's about (if you like the dog in a particular game) taking the ML play rather than the points. Long-term you are way better off.
i will never buy points, dont think i can because my local wont let me, but i think its a sucker move...if someone can have success doing it then hats off...not for me, have confidence in your PG
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i will never buy points, dont think i can because my local wont let me, but i think its a sucker move...if someone can have success doing it then hats off...not for me, have confidence in your PG
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