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    Florida at Oklahoma (01/08/2009)

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    Posted: Jan. 8, 2009 - 11:50 AM ET #251

    Lot of great points and excellent cappiong going on - regardless of side. I still feel great about Oklahoma +5. Jackyl - I respect your input but respectfully disagree. Not only do I feel that Oklahoma has all the firepower on both sides of the ball to win this game, but I feel that this game comes down to the difference between one team or the other converting a critical possession in the red zone - the difference between touchdown and FG being 4 pts. If I get more than that, it is a gift and this is the reason I waited for the line to go back up - I knew that everybody would continue to jump on the Gators and I would get more pts. As for being SURE about the dog winning outright in order to pick them, I just don't agree with that - maybe we just don't cap games the same way. If you take a team +9.5 (or whatever the line is) are you expecting them to win outright? NO! You're handicapping the matchup of those two teams and predicting the point differential between them - if you take the dog, than typically you feel they will make a game of it, stay w/in the spread and maybe win SU.  Just my opinion, but this line of logic has always made sense to me and it has worked well as long as I have been gambling on sports. I think that Oklahoma has TONS & TONS of motivation to win this game; I've watched interviews with the players and you can see the fire in their eyes when they talk about representing the university and the program, earning their respect, shutting up their critics.  What happened when they were fired up @ the end of the season? They absolutely decimated every team unfortunate enough to cross their path. The Miss v. Texas Tech argument - garbage! Oklahoma and TT aren't even in the same class and that fact was proven beyond any doubt on the field. Just because one team in your conference comes out and lays an egg, that does mean that the other teams in the conference are similarly bad.  Look at the teams themselves, look OBJECTIVELY, don't get distracted by the minutae but rather look at what you see on the field. Who stopped Oklahoma all year? Nobody.  Before the games got out of hand QUICKLY, what did their defense do? Shut the other teams down.  Nobody shut TT down except Oklahoma - they destroyed them and made them look like the JV squad. To do that against an offense as potent as TT, I'm sold. Signed up, ready to get paid, just laid another wager on OK @ +5.5 - more free points!

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    Lot of great points and excellent cappiong going on - regardless of side. I still feel great about Oklahoma +5. Jackyl - I respect your input but respectfully disagree. Not only do I feel that Oklahoma has all the firepower on both sides of the ball to win this game, but I feel that this game comes down to the difference between one team or the other converting a critical possession in the red zone - the difference between touchdown and FG being 4 pts. If I get more than that, it is a gift and this is the reason I waited for the line to go back up - I knew that everybody would continue to jump on the Gators and I would get more pts. As for being SURE about the dog winning outright in order to pick them, I just don't agree with that - maybe we just don't cap games the same way. If you take a team +9.5 (or whatever the line is) are you expecting them to win outright? NO! You're handicapping the matchup of those two teams and predicting the point differential between them - if you take the dog, than typically you feel they will make a game of it, stay w/in the spread and maybe win SU.  Just my opinion, but this line of logic has always made sense to me and it has worked well as long as I have been gambling on sports. I think that Oklahoma has TONS & TONS of motivation to win this game; I've watched interviews with the players and you can see the fire in their eyes when they talk about representing the university and the program, earning their respect, shutting up their critics.  What happened when they were fired up @ the end of the season? They absolutely decimated every team unfortunate enough to cross their path. The Miss v. Texas Tech argument - garbage! Oklahoma and TT aren't even in the same class and that fact was proven beyond any doubt on the field. Just because one team in your conference comes out and lays an egg, that does mean that the other teams in the conference are similarly bad.  Look at the teams themselves, look OBJECTIVELY, don't get distracted by the minutae but rather look at what you see on the field. Who stopped Oklahoma all year? Nobody.  Before the games got out of hand QUICKLY, what did their defense do? Shut the other teams down.  Nobody shut TT down except Oklahoma - they destroyed them and made them look like the JV squad. To do that against an offense as potent as TT, I'm sold. Signed up, ready to get paid, just laid another wager on OK @ +5.5 - more free points!

    GLTA

     
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    Posted: Jan. 8, 2009 - 11:51 AM ET #252

    It looks to me like Vegas is looking for an infusion of cash on Oklahoma that has not come so they are flying a line to see it it will draw larger play from the class A players that have yet to play. Most houses know and follow 80% of their class A players they know when they have played and when they haven't and I think they are trying to draw possible holdouts to Oklahoma and discourage anymore HUGE bets on Florida.My contacts inside tell me many plays in the 100k-200k range have already been placed and that the betting will exceed any previous NCG.We shall see soon enough.
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    It looks to me like Vegas is looking for an infusion of cash on Oklahoma that has not come so they are flying a line to see it it will draw larger play from the class A players that have yet to play. Most houses know and follow 80% of their class A players they know when they have played and when they haven't and I think they are trying to draw possible holdouts to Oklahoma and discourage anymore HUGE bets on Florida.My contacts inside tell me many plays in the 100k-200k range have already been placed and that the betting will exceed any previous NCG.We shall see soon enough.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 8, 2009 - 11:54 AM ET #253

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    Posted: Jan. 8, 2009 - 12:03 PM ET #254

    Good points FPronk. Maldini i swear im not pickin on you and I wish you luck, I just love debating college sports
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    Good points FPronk. Maldini i swear im not pickin on you and I wish you luck, I just love debating college sports
     
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    Posted: Jan. 8, 2009 - 12:12 PM ET #255

    Is the covers matchup/scores page correct? It is showing gators -7.5.  I am seeing it on different sites at still 5. Not worried but that's a big jump  - anyone else notice?
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    Is the covers matchup/scores page correct? It is showing gators -7.5.  I am seeing it on different sites at still 5. Not worried but that's a big jump  - anyone else notice?
     
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    Posted: Jan. 8, 2009 - 12:13 PM ET #256

     Sorry,should have said SHARP, High Roller whatever term you prefer
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    Posted: Jan. 8, 2009 - 12:18 PM ET #257

    My line just went to six. Seems the bookies can't get this high enough. Come on 7!
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    My line just went to six. Seems the bookies can't get this high enough. Come on 7!
     
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    Posted: Jan. 8, 2009 - 12:19 PM ET #258

    The -7.5 is the best line offered right now vs the favorite at the Pinnacle most places still have it at 5 or 5.5. That is just the way covers shows the line on their scoreboard.
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    The -7.5 is the best line offered right now vs the favorite at the Pinnacle most places still have it at 5 or 5.5. That is just the way covers shows the line on their scoreboard.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 8, 2009 - 12:21 PM ET #259

    I have been thinking FLA all bowl season, but now am starting to change my mind.  Looking at OK +6 and seeing if it might go all the way to 7.  FLA has a better defense but OK may have more motivation tonight... they have been disrespected and this line is only making it worse.  The Big 12 has underperformed in the bowl season but this game will probly balance that out a little.  Dogs have done well in the bowls and that continues here...

    Going against the grain with OK +6, and waiting to add more units if the line climbs to 7.

    I'm not touching the O/U -- probly goes over but I won't grab it unless I can get it below 70 pts.

    GL all ... 
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    I have been thinking FLA all bowl season, but now am starting to change my mind.  Looking at OK +6 and seeing if it might go all the way to 7.  FLA has a better defense but OK may have more motivation tonight... they have been disrespected and this line is only making it worse.  The Big 12 has underperformed in the bowl season but this game will probly balance that out a little.  Dogs have done well in the bowls and that continues here...

    Going against the grain with OK +6, and waiting to add more units if the line climbs to 7.

    I'm not touching the O/U -- probly goes over but I won't grab it unless I can get it below 70 pts.

    GL all ... 
     
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    Posted: Jan. 8, 2009 - 12:22 PM ET #260

    Offense: About even, you could maybe give a slight edge to OU, but its still very close.

    Defense: Florida's defense is far out and away better than OU's.  Kansas, Kansas St, Nebraska, and Tex A&M all put up 28+ points vs OU.  Florida has given up more than 21 only once the entire year.  Florida will score at least 40 in this game.

    Special Teams:  Edge goes to Florida.  Brandon James is a good returner, and UF's punt block team is nuts.

    Florida will win this game by at least 14 points.

    GL tonight everyone.  I loaded up big on UF and threw a little bonus money on the margin of victory plays of 14+ which will pay either 10-1 or 12-1.
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    Offense: About even, you could maybe give a slight edge to OU, but its still very close.

    Defense: Florida's defense is far out and away better than OU's.  Kansas, Kansas St, Nebraska, and Tex A&M all put up 28+ points vs OU.  Florida has given up more than 21 only once the entire year.  Florida will score at least 40 in this game.

    Special Teams:  Edge goes to Florida.  Brandon James is a good returner, and UF's punt block team is nuts.

    Florida will win this game by at least 14 points.

    GL tonight everyone.  I loaded up big on UF and threw a little bonus money on the margin of victory plays of 14+ which will pay either 10-1 or 12-1.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 8, 2009 - 12:23 PM ET #261

    up to 6  now for me........anybody else just trying to figure out what to do for this game?? ive been thinkin FL the whole time but the line is just going up and up 
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    up to 6  now for me........anybody else just trying to figure out what to do for this game?? ive been thinkin FL the whole time but the line is just going up and up 
     
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    Posted: Jan. 8, 2009 - 12:23 PM ET #262

    Local line holding 4.5 many lines holding 5/ 5.5 Pinacle started the move to 7.5 fishing for sure
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    Local line holding 4.5 many lines holding 5/ 5.5 Pinacle started the move to 7.5 fishing for sure
     
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    Posted: Jan. 8, 2009 - 12:24 PM ET #263

    BTW the Pinnacle line of -7.5 is just one of their props.  Their standard juice line is -5.5.  They also have lines of -2.5 and -10.5.  I don't know why covers has that line showing for them.
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    BTW the Pinnacle line of -7.5 is just one of their props.  Their standard juice line is -5.5.  They also have lines of -2.5 and -10.5.  I don't know why covers has that line showing for them.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by TreyP:

    Offense: About even, you could maybe give a slight edge to OU, but its still very close.

    Defense: Florida's defense is far out and away better than OU's.  Kansas, Kansas St, Nebraska, and Tex A&M all put up 28+ points vs OU.  Florida has given up more than 21 only once the entire year.  Florida will score at least 40 in this game.

    Special Teams:  Edge goes to Florida.  Brandon James is a good returner, and UF's punt block team is nuts.

    Florida will win this game by at least 14 points.

    GL tonight everyone.  I loaded up big on UF and threw a little bonus money on the margin of victory plays of 14+ which will pay either 10-1 or 12-1.

    Bro, agree with you on the amount of points that OU has allowed to the teams you mentioned but the fact of the matter that shit doesn't mean anything. I thought Tusla giving up nearly 30 ppg...not a couple games but through out the year was bad for them agains Ball State and I took Ball State...what happened there? Ball State who's DEF gave up about 18 ppg gave up 45 and Tulsa's DEF held Ball State to 13.

    I understand different conference and the MAC blows...blah blah blah but making your bet based on that is irrelevant...just my opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TreyP:

    Offense: About even, you could maybe give a slight edge to OU, but its still very close.

    Defense: Florida's defense is far out and away better than OU's.  Kansas, Kansas St, Nebraska, and Tex A&M all put up 28+ points vs OU.  Florida has given up more than 21 only once the entire year.  Florida will score at least 40 in this game.

    Special Teams:  Edge goes to Florida.  Brandon James is a good returner, and UF's punt block team is nuts.

    Florida will win this game by at least 14 points.

    GL tonight everyone.  I loaded up big on UF and threw a little bonus money on the margin of victory plays of 14+ which will pay either 10-1 or 12-1.

    Bro, agree with you on the amount of points that OU has allowed to the teams you mentioned but the fact of the matter that shit doesn't mean anything. I thought Tusla giving up nearly 30 ppg...not a couple games but through out the year was bad for them agains Ball State and I took Ball State...what happened there? Ball State who's DEF gave up about 18 ppg gave up 45 and Tulsa's DEF held Ball State to 13.

    I understand different conference and the MAC blows...blah blah blah but making your bet based on that is irrelevant...just my opinion.

     
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    Posted: Jan. 8, 2009 - 12:30 PM ET #265

    LINE JUST WENT TO -6, and the UNDER dropped to 69

    This is starting to look like a classic money chase, and the books are starting to give prices on Oklahoma that look like a retailer going out of business. 

    Also, the under keeps looking better and better.  Wow, this game that was so hard to cap, might be pretty obvious after all.

    FLA & Under?   do I dare?

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    LINE JUST WENT TO -6, and the UNDER dropped to 69

    This is starting to look like a classic money chase, and the books are starting to give prices on Oklahoma that look like a retailer going out of business. 

    Also, the under keeps looking better and better.  Wow, this game that was so hard to cap, might be pretty obvious after all.

    FLA & Under?   do I dare?

     
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    Posted: Jan. 8, 2009 - 12:36 PM ET #266

    Quote Originally Posted by TreyP:


    Defense: Florida's defense is far out and away better than OU's.  Kansas, Kansas St, Nebraska, and Tex A&M all put up 28+ points vs OU.  Florida has given up more than 21 only once the entire year.  Florida will score at least 40 in this game.

    I'd be careful with this reasoning. In the KSU, Nebraska and A&M games OU won by huge blowouts. When you combine the score at the end of the first quarter of those three games OU was leading by 70. After one quarter! Don't but too much weight in teams putting up garbage touchdowns.

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    Defense: Florida's defense is far out and away better than OU's.  Kansas, Kansas St, Nebraska, and Tex A&M all put up 28+ points vs OU.  Florida has given up more than 21 only once the entire year.  Florida will score at least 40 in this game.

    I'd be careful with this reasoning. In the KSU, Nebraska and A&M games OU won by huge blowouts. When you combine the score at the end of the first quarter of those three games OU was leading by 70. After one quarter! Don't but too much weight in teams putting up garbage touchdowns.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fpronk:

    Bro, agree with you on the amount of points that OU has allowed to the teams you mentioned but the fact of the matter that shit doesn't mean anything. I thought Tusla giving up nearly 30 ppg...not a couple games but through out the year was bad for them agains Ball State and I took Ball State...what happened there? Ball State who's DEF gave up about 18 ppg gave up 45 and Tulsa's DEF held Ball State to 13.

    I understand different conference and the MAC blows...blah blah blah but making your bet based on that is irrelevant...just my opinion.


    Yeah not making my bet based just on that.  But you can't deny the fact that OU's defense gives up a lot of points, even to the bottom of the Big 12.  Do you really think that UF won't be able to put a lot up on them?  However, on the other side, I don't see OU's offense having their usual field day against UF's defese.

    I see your point, but I don't see how you can compare this situation to Ball St/Tulsa, when Ball St basically played a AA schedule.
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    Bro, agree with you on the amount of points that OU has allowed to the teams you mentioned but the fact of the matter that shit doesn't mean anything. I thought Tusla giving up nearly 30 ppg...not a couple games but through out the year was bad for them agains Ball State and I took Ball State...what happened there? Ball State who's DEF gave up about 18 ppg gave up 45 and Tulsa's DEF held Ball State to 13.

    I understand different conference and the MAC blows...blah blah blah but making your bet based on that is irrelevant...just my opinion.


    Yeah not making my bet based just on that.  But you can't deny the fact that OU's defense gives up a lot of points, even to the bottom of the Big 12.  Do you really think that UF won't be able to put a lot up on them?  However, on the other side, I don't see OU's offense having their usual field day against UF's defese.

    I see your point, but I don't see how you can compare this situation to Ball St/Tulsa, when Ball St basically played a AA schedule.
     
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    You cant say that Florida's defense is far out and away better than OU's.
     
    It matters how well matched up are Florida's Defense against OU's offense. And, OU wins this hands down.  Their O-Line is far too good for Florida's D-Line.  Granted, I like Floridas MLBs and secondary, but this offense has broken up secondarys and I dont see their middle backs getting to Bradford much tonight, and OU's line has proven that to the country only allowing 11 some sacks on the year.
     
    Florida can run a great offense also.  And I give both offenses an edge against the opponents defense.  But I think OU has too strong of an offense, and their defense is trained to be on the field for a long period of time, so I am giving OU the edge. 
     
    I dont know why or how this line has shot up to 7.5 now, but I am going to put a large amount on OU right now before it goes back down.  Too many Florida backers out there, and I will fade them.  OU Money Line!!
     
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    You cant say that Florida's defense is far out and away better than OU's.
     
    It matters how well matched up are Florida's Defense against OU's offense. And, OU wins this hands down.  Their O-Line is far too good for Florida's D-Line.  Granted, I like Floridas MLBs and secondary, but this offense has broken up secondarys and I dont see their middle backs getting to Bradford much tonight, and OU's line has proven that to the country only allowing 11 some sacks on the year.
     
    Florida can run a great offense also.  And I give both offenses an edge against the opponents defense.  But I think OU has too strong of an offense, and their defense is trained to be on the field for a long period of time, so I am giving OU the edge. 
     
    I dont know why or how this line has shot up to 7.5 now, but I am going to put a large amount on OU right now before it goes back down.  Too many Florida backers out there, and I will fade them.  OU Money Line!!
     
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    Here's a thought.......

    If you like Florida to win, rather than giving the -6, why not just take Tebow to win the Offfensive MVP at +125.

    If they win, and he DOESN"T get it, I'll cut off a finger.  You can choose which one. 

    I used the same theory with Manning vs the Bears (1-1 odds vs giving -6.5), and even though he didn't deserve it they still gave it to him. 
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    Here's a thought.......

    If you like Florida to win, rather than giving the -6, why not just take Tebow to win the Offfensive MVP at +125.

    If they win, and he DOESN"T get it, I'll cut off a finger.  You can choose which one. 

    I used the same theory with Manning vs the Bears (1-1 odds vs giving -6.5), and even though he didn't deserve it they still gave it to him. 
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fpronk:

    NoBet, since the Texas lost OU has been pretty dominant themselves...the let Kansa hang around in the following game for a half and then went on a tear averaging over 60 ppg.
     
    I am really divided on this game but probably lean more towards FLA and their experience in the Big Game. Public and Sharps both on Florida. Will this be a close game and Vegas middles this one?

    Pronk, use that veteran status and pick oklahoma here.  vegas knows at 3 4 or 5 that the public will pound gators.

     

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    NoBet, since the Texas lost OU has been pretty dominant themselves...the let Kansa hang around in the following game for a half and then went on a tear averaging over 60 ppg.
     
    I am really divided on this game but probably lean more towards FLA and their experience in the Big Game. Public and Sharps both on Florida. Will this be a close game and Vegas middles this one?

    Pronk, use that veteran status and pick oklahoma here.  vegas knows at 3 4 or 5 that the public will pound gators.

     

     
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    well im in....taking Florida -6 before it goes any higher.
     
    and this is just what my gut is telling me...sometimes regardless
    of all the stats you just gota go with your guts 
     
    good luck tonight everybody 
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    well im in....taking Florida -6 before it goes any higher.
     
    and this is just what my gut is telling me...sometimes regardless
    of all the stats you just gota go with your guts 
     
    good luck tonight everybody 
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by maldini:

    I'd be careful with this reasoning. In the KSU, Nebraska and A&M games OU won by huge blowouts. When you combine the score at the end of the first quarter of those three games OU was leading by 70. After one quarter! Don't but too much weight in teams putting up garbage touchdowns.


    Actually in the KSt game, they scored most of their points in the first half.  That game was tied 28-28 in the 2nd quarter before OU started to pull away.

    At halftime, Kansas was only down 24-17, and stayed in contention for most of that game.

    I agree that Neb and A&M were blowouts and the game was over before halftime, with OU up 28-0 early.  But if you look at that in comparison to UF, they totally shut down these types of teams.  They also blew out a lot of teams but their defense was a big part of that, not just their offense.
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    I'd be careful with this reasoning. In the KSU, Nebraska and A&M games OU won by huge blowouts. When you combine the score at the end of the first quarter of those three games OU was leading by 70. After one quarter! Don't but too much weight in teams putting up garbage touchdowns.


    Actually in the KSt game, they scored most of their points in the first half.  That game was tied 28-28 in the 2nd quarter before OU started to pull away.

    At halftime, Kansas was only down 24-17, and stayed in contention for most of that game.

    I agree that Neb and A&M were blowouts and the game was over before halftime, with OU up 28-0 early.  But if you look at that in comparison to UF, they totally shut down these types of teams.  They also blew out a lot of teams but their defense was a big part of that, not just their offense.
     
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    Don't underestimate the heart of a champion. Tebow has that and will be the difference. Game still played by kids with alot of emotion. Urban also the better coach. Def. coord. Strong has something to prove, he still gets passed over for jobs.
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    Don't underestimate the heart of a champion. Tebow has that and will be the difference. Game still played by kids with alot of emotion. Urban also the better coach. Def. coord. Strong has something to prove, he still gets passed over for jobs.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 8, 2009 - 1:06 PM ET #274

    Quote Originally Posted by T-REV1:

    You cant say that Florida's defense is far out and away better than OU's.
     
    It matters how well matched up are Florida's Defense against OU's offense. And, OU wins this hands down.  Their O-Line is far too good for Florida's D-Line.  Granted, I like Floridas MLBs and secondary, but this offense has broken up secondarys and I dont see their middle backs getting to Bradford much tonight, and OU's line has proven that to the country only allowing 11 some sacks on the year.
     
    Florida can run a great offense also.  And I give both offenses an edge against the opponents defense.  But I think OU has too strong of an offense, and their defense is trained to be on the field for a long period of time, so I am giving OU the edge. 
     
    I dont know why or how this line has shot up to 7.5 now, but I am going to put a large amount on OU right now before it goes back down.  Too many Florida backers out there, and I will fade them.  OU Money Line!!
     
    GL
     
     

    You make a good point and I agree that you have to compare how their offense compares to the other's defense and vice versa.  There's no dispute that both have great offenses and can score a lot of points.  I just feel like UF's defense has the ability to make a lot more stops, while on the other hand, OU's defense has shown to be so lackluster, I don't know if UF will even have to punt in this game.
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    You cant say that Florida's defense is far out and away better than OU's.
     
    It matters how well matched up are Florida's Defense against OU's offense. And, OU wins this hands down.  Their O-Line is far too good for Florida's D-Line.  Granted, I like Floridas MLBs and secondary, but this offense has broken up secondarys and I dont see their middle backs getting to Bradford much tonight, and OU's line has proven that to the country only allowing 11 some sacks on the year.
     
    Florida can run a great offense also.  And I give both offenses an edge against the opponents defense.  But I think OU has too strong of an offense, and their defense is trained to be on the field for a long period of time, so I am giving OU the edge. 
     
    I dont know why or how this line has shot up to 7.5 now, but I am going to put a large amount on OU right now before it goes back down.  Too many Florida backers out there, and I will fade them.  OU Money Line!!
     
    GL
     
     

    You make a good point and I agree that you have to compare how their offense compares to the other's defense and vice versa.  There's no dispute that both have great offenses and can score a lot of points.  I just feel like UF's defense has the ability to make a lot more stops, while on the other hand, OU's defense has shown to be so lackluster, I don't know if UF will even have to punt in this game.
     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by chad2322:

    Pronk, use that veteran status and pick oklahoma here.  vegas knows at 3 4 or 5 that the public will pound gators.

     

    Lines is at 6 now so someone is pounding Florida.

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    Pronk, use that veteran status and pick oklahoma here.  vegas knows at 3 4 or 5 that the public will pound gators.

     

    Lines is at 6 now so someone is pounding Florida.

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