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Posted: #651

Croatia can switch there game in a heartbeat! The problem with England is they only have one style of play!

Will it be enough?

I say NO!

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Quote Originally Posted by MakePwithMe:

PickfordVrsaljko            Stones            Maguire          Rose                        Modric            RakiticSterling                            Ali                      Rashford                                     KaneMaybe make an argument for Walker for there RB or play Henderson instead of Ali and swap with Rakitic to give more balance either way England have the players.Have a good one mate

 

Rashford cant start on england's team and you want to start him on Croatia - kkkk... There is no debating someone who thinks the earth is flat... 

 
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Quote Originally Posted by Titusblink:

Quote Originally Posted by MakePwithMe:

PickfordVrsaljko            Stones            Maguire          Rose                        Modric            RakiticSterling                            Ali                      Rashford                                     KaneMaybe make an argument for Walker for there RB or play Henderson instead of Ali and swap with Rakitic to give more balance either way England have the players.Have a good one mate
  Rashford cant start on england's team and you want to start him on Croatia - kkkk... There is no debating someone who thinks the earth is flat...

 

I s this a reference to Kyrie Irving?

 
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Posted: #654
Vanzack, I definitely understand what you're saying, I also see this as a tossup so sure, taking plus money is good value, but I don't see England getting shut out either by luck or design, do you think there could there be more value in the draw. like 1-1 or 0-0 score at +210 or +220?

 
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Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

England / Croatia -

As I wrote earlier, I don't think there is a player on England that would start on Croatia other than Harry Kane for Mandzukic.  Maybe GK would be a toss up, and maybe a defender here or there, but overall, Croatia have the players.

If this match is anything like the Belgium / France match, where for about 60 minutes both sides are very cautious and sit back, Croatia should boss the field.  Rakitic and Modric love this type of game.

But unfortunately, this match should come down to one or two great (or lucky) plays that put one team up, and that is very difficult to predict.

If there was a month to prepare, I would be all over Croatia.  I have read all sides of the debate if they will be affected by playing two ET matches in a row - but I believe it has to have an effect - even if on just a player or two.  

There is no reason England should be favored here.  

So while I think the match is somewhat of a toss up, I will be on Croatia because of price and because I would rather bet on talent than bet against a team being tired.

Croatia pk +150 (90 minutes) (1 to win 1.5)
Croatia to advance +140 (1 to win 1.4)
Predicted final score Croatia 1-0

GL



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Posted: #656
Croatia definitely on the front foot heading in to ET.


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Posted: #657
This Dier sub for Henderson has only been bad for England so far in this tournament.

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Posted: #658
For those who said John Stones - a guy who cant get time on his own club team - would start for Croatia, I am going to let you rethink that after this game - and after that Mandzukic goal.
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Posted: #659

Quote Originally Posted by MakePwithMe:

Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

England / Croatia -As I wrote earlier, I don't think there is a player on England that would start on Croatia other than Harry Kane for Mandzukic.  Maybe GK would be a toss up, and maybe a defender here or there, but overall, Croatia have the players.If this match is anything like the Belgium / France match, where for about 60 minutes both sides are very cautious and sit back, Croatia should boss the field.  Rakitic and Modric love this type of game.But unfortunately, this match should come down to one or two great (or lucky) plays that put one team up, and that is very difficult to predict.If there was a month to prepare, I would be all over Croatia.  I have read all sides of the debate if they will be affected by playing two ET matches in a row - but I believe it has to have an effect - even if on just a player or two.  There is no reason England should be favored here.  So while I think the match is somewhat of a toss up, I will be on Croatia because of price and because I would rather bet on talent than bet against a team being tired.Croatia pk +150 (90 minutes) (1 to win 1.5)Croatia to advance +140 (1 to win 1.4)Predicted final score Croatia 1-0GL
Meh, KaneRashfordSterlingAliStonesRoseMaguirePickfordThats 8 players 8! That will get into Croatia, there is a reason for England favoured its because we are better matey, we also have the better manager.I love everyone writing us off but its coming home baby!

Its actually very much NOT coming home baby! an_shakean_laugh

 
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France -105 to win final.
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To clarify....

France -.5 -105
Croatia +.5 -105

For 90 minutes.

France -200 to win cup.
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Up to date through the semis....

OVERALL RECORD:   Up 64.415  Down 53.4

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Up 3.17  Down 2

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Current Record - UP 61.245  Down 51.4
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Posted: #663
I thought that was you pick van, but i think its a good value for france. If you want to bet france this is the best time i think. Public will get them for sure
 
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Some thoughts on England....

They really showed how naive they are tactically.

It was obvious very early in the second half that they needed to make changes, but they didn't, and basically watched as it all unfolded.

I realize this might be "too soon" for England fans - but I imagine when they look back on this with the luxury of time - they will chalk this run up to a very easy path and getting lucky when they needed to.  This is not a WC winning quality team, and this is not first rate managing either.


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Quote Originally Posted by Kidmancer:

I thought that was you pick van, but i think its a good value for france. If you want to bet france this is the best time i think. Public will get them for sure

Agree.  Line will only go up IMO.
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Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

Some thoughts on England....They really showed how naive they are tactically.It was obvious very early in the second half that they needed to make changes, but they didn't, and basically watched as it all unfolded.I realize this might be "too soon" for England fans - but I imagine when they look back on this with the luxury of time - they will chalk this run up to a very easy path and getting lucky when they needed to.  This is not a WC winning quality team, and this is not first rate managing either.

Awful coaching, managing, whatever you want to call it (in the second half). But the game was lost (imo) in the first half when England failed to go get the second goal. The Croats were not playing great and England squandered precious opportunities. Then in the second half, England came out with the mentality of trying to protect the lead. Their collective a-holes got tight (you could see it/feel it) and his only emboldened the Croats, because they had nothing to fear from England offensively (they had given up the idea of getting a second goal). But if that was going to be the game plan (which is a bad game plan because that is not England's game, as they proved against Columbia), then they needed to make some changes, and they didn't. In the end, the pressure got to the Brits (or affected them) more than fatigue affected the Croats. I also thought the Brits played too clean of game considering the stakes. Just compare the number of fouls on both sides. Croats were a lot more savvy, taking fouls in the middle of the field and even using their hands (lol) rather than giving the Brits any real chances. I very much doubt that the French will allow themselves to be bossed around by a jaded Croat team that has been hanging by a thread for three matches now...If the French learned anything from this match (and the Croat's previous matches), it is that you better get that second goal against this team! 

 
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Van, in you I trust. sending this to get us off the 666 posts!!!

 
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Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

France last 35 minutes were almost comical for me.  How could they sit back - give up possession so easily - and allow the right side flank to be basically unchallenged for that long?  

And how is Fellaini playing right wing for about 20 minutes for Belgium?

For me, France are easily good enough to take some possession in the last 35 minutes, and keep pressing for a second goal.  Time ran out before Belgium scored, plain and simple - if the game was another minute, 10 minutes, or 100 minutes Belgium were going to tie it up at some point.  Worrysome if I am a France supporter.

But results bias rewrites history - and they won 1-0 - and therefore everyone is a genius and they did things exactly the right way.  I say all of this because no matter who they play in the final - there is a very good chance they will be up 1-0, and it will be interesting to see how they handle it.


Given the established recent form of their opponent, this comment is worth a revisit ... 
 
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For the nth time, thank you again, mr van.

 
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Thanks for all the inputs...

Automatic bet over for 3rd place match (3o, even)?

 
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The English press is brutal.  It begins....

https://twitter.com/beINSPORTS/status/1017158774522462208
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And for those interested in tactics - and a great write up on what went wrong for England yesterday.....

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/world-cup/world-cup-2018-england-vs-croatia-gareth-southgate-tactics-tactical-immaturity-final-a8443526.html
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Quote Originally Posted by begginerboy:

Awful coaching, managing, whatever you want to call it (in the second half). But the game was lost (imo) in the first half when England failed to go get the second goal. The Croats were not playing great and England squandered precious opportunities. Then in the second half, England came out with the mentality of trying to protect the lead. Their collective a-holes got tight (you could see it/feel it) and his only emboldened the Croats, because they had nothing to fear from England offensively (they had given up the idea of getting a second goal). But if that was going to be the game plan (which is a bad game plan because that is not England's game, as they proved against Columbia), then they needed to make some changes, and they didn't. In the end, the pressure got to the Brits (or affected them) more than fatigue affected the Croats. I also thought the Brits played too clean of game considering the stakes. Just compare the number of fouls on both sides. Croats were a lot more savvy, taking fouls in the middle of the field and even using their hands (lol) rather than giving the Brits any real chances. I very much doubt that the French will allow themselves to be bossed around by a jaded Croat team that has been hanging by a thread for three matches now...If the French learned anything from this match (and the Croat's previous matches), it is that you better get that second goal against this team! 


France is a very bad matchup for Croatia.

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Thanks all.  It has been a lot of fun this year.

Gmitran - 3rd place used to be an auto-over, but I am really thinking about this one.  I want to wait and see the temperature of these sides.  I am concerned that they will actually play a real match because they both actually might want to win.

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France -105 to win final

To clarify....

France -.5 -105
Croatia +.5 -105
 
For 90 minutes.
 
France -200 to win cup.
 
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